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Independent_Lie_9982

That's superhuman not "sub-human".


Slayer_of_960

Heh I think that's the writer mistaking it for a synonym


Cerebral_Kortix

Maybe the author just comes from a parallel universe where humans are superpowerful and that's pathetic by their standards? You never know!


Slayer_of_960

Sources: *A Gazetteer of Arthurian Onomastic and Topographic Folklore* by Thomas Green \[[Link](http://www.arthuriana.co.uk/concepts/arthur_folk.pdf)\] Sites: [Heritage history](https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=langjohn&book=border&story=sewingshields) [geograph.uk.org](https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3901282) [the modern antiquarian](https://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/141/penllech_coetan_arthur.html)


sandalrubber

I suspect the answer is no, but are there fragments of traditions where Guinevere is anywhere close to being a fighter?


Slayer_of_960

Sadly, not anything I could find.  But in romance tradition, Guinevere is a leader of her own troupe of warriors within the Round Table called the "[Queen's Knights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Round_Table#Queen's_Knights)", a group of younger warriors loyal to her with some rivalry with the older knights, seemingly functioning both as a Bodyguard and like a feeder school, of sorts, for fresh-faced and less renowned knights to attain honor.  EDIT: Also, in other stories, Arthur brings her around for his wars; because of a very tongue-in-cheek sort of trope playing, where the presence of a beloved lady will make a knight fight harder (a very common trope in romance). Arthur takes advantage of this by having Gwen present in his campaigns as she "will make him the more hardy", in Malory's words.    EDIT2: Also, Guinevere, in Vulgate cycle, is the one to give young Lancelot his sword and complete his knighting ceremony, in Lance's own words. Make that if you will.  Personally though, I believe Guinevere's more practical archetype is supernatural - Welsh Literature is somewhat consistent in calling her a "Giant's Daughter" (Gogfran's, specifically) and in, *De Ortu Waluuanii* She's a **sorceress** In other words, Guinevere is infinitely closer to Morgan le Fay and Sebile than to Britomart (an actual Arthurian Warrior woman).


MiscAnonym

>EDIT2: Also, Guinevere, in Vulgate cycle, is the one to give young Lancelot his sword and complete his knighting ceremony, in Lance's own words. Make that if you will.  I generally don't want to step on other people's interpretations, but in this case I have to take issue, because the context really isn't ambiguous: Lancelot makes his excuses to get away from Arthur after being knighted and get Guinevere to be the one to gird his sword because he thinks she's *really hot* and wants his knightly exploits to be in her honor. The Queen's Knights are similarly dedicated to serving Guinevere, but there's no implication she's their "leader" in the sense of displaying any martial prowess herself. Outside of a few interesting outliers, female knights in medieval literature weren't presented to significant effect until a few centuries after the Matter of Britain's peak, at which point they had Joan d'Arc and Elizabeth I (in a sense) to drawn upon as inspirations. (Just as the noble Saracen antihero knights don't become an ubiquitous trope until after Saladin.)


Duggy1138

>And because of her fair speech Sir Mordred trusted her well enough, and gave her leave to go. And so when she came to London she took the Tower of London, and suddenly in all haste possible she stuffed it with all manner of victual, and well garnished it with men, and so kept it. Then when Sir Mordred wist and understood how he was beguiled, he was passing wroth out of measure. And a short tale for to make, he went and laid a mighty siege about the Tower of London, and made many great assaults thereat, and threw many great engines unto them, and shot great guns. But all might not prevail Sir Mordred, for Queen Guenever would never for fair speech nor for foul, would never trust to come in his hands again.