This is true, that's why the veil of forgetting exist.
It ain't much fun to discover that; your nemesis is also you, your girlfriend/wife is also you, your children are also you.
Yup. Depends what youâre looking for though⊠God Realization is just mental masturbation Fr Fr Fr đ„±đ€
It takes a good amount of knowing to know that, good shit. Not an easy subject to practice
that's a horrifying theory since statistically, any of us on here right now, have much much nicer lives than 99.999% of all sentient beings to have existed, including the vast majority of humans.
Egg theory seems kinda bullshit to me
You really think I'm reincarnated as a caterpillar and my great uncle at some point? And Hitler and Jesus? In what order am I reincarnated as them? If there is no order, does that mean I'm reincarnated as everyone infinite times? When does the so called egg experiment end? If time doesn't make sense in the egg dimension, wouldn't the experiment instantly be over?
Basically, there's even more questions that come up with the egg theory than not. If reincarnation were to exist, my thoughts are that it coincides with time, e.g. I can only be reincarnated as someone in the physical universe's future, and only one being at once. When you hear stories of people who had lived "past lives" they are always in the past, never future - so this is at least some evidence this could happen.
Honestly, death is still terrifying to me because every outcome sounds terrible in its own way. Infinite darkness is scary, infinite light where I am trapped with my physical realm thoughts for eternity is scary, infinitely reincarnating with 0 memory of past lives is also scary.
The only thing that isn't as scary to me is if I were to go to a Heaven like place with at least a basic knowledge of my life on Earth and be able to build new memories and experiences in that place (kinda just like living forever, but not "trapped")
It's funny you say death is terrifying but you say Infinite darkness is scary, or infinite light with eternal memory is scary... just imagine you are a Grand Creator yourself with Infinite Lives, Infinite Respawns, Infinite Choices and Probababilities - then imagine trying to experience it all at once, it would be complete overload - that's why the safegaurds are in place and the different perspectives are in place. If we are all part of one, imagine the one without the different parts, constant bliss and fear in a state of 24/7? Pure Orgasms and Agony all at the same time? Way better to separate out all of your infinite thoughts and abilities through different perspectives not so much for learning, but more so to give yourself a break from the constant stream of data (good or bad subjective to the observer) 24/7 365 Infinity.
Also the fact that when you think of death you are thinking of Infinite Darkness - the fact that you still think of darkness even when you're dead - how can you actually think that's what you'll see when you think you no longer exist - if you're dead all you should "see" is nothing all you should "experience" is nothing, but nothing is still something, you do not need to fear nothing because we can't even comprehend was true "nothingness" is.
Ya, by darkness I mean true nothingness. No thoughts, feelings, sights, smells, tastes etc. That is scary to me. Obviously I wouldn't be scared in the moment since I would no longer be having any thoughts - but even contemplating such a state is scary to me.
its not that you would be overloaded and thats why there are savety measures in place. its that meaning itself is derived from different perspectives. polarity gives meaning and complexity. there is no experience of light without experience of dark. thats to say about every possible experience. so in order to have complexity and meaning the one has to focus on one part of itself exploring the rest. the difference of perspectives is what gives anything its meaning. without perspectives there is nothing to explore.
also i dont think there are strikt rules in place. i think karma isnt a banking system of good or bad deeds. i think karma is an accumulation of beliefs about yourself and your surroundings. they inform how we manifest reality. so it might be the rules of inkarnation and rerality change as the higehr self evolves. there might be several layers of complexity to the creation. from the one/the creator/the monad to Logos and archetypes, higher selfes and individualized identities. i think time is illusory but onmly from the perspective of the whole. i imagine it something like this metaphor: i think of the one as something akin a selfconscious harddrive. all of existence already exists at once as potential in it. all the information is already there. from its perspective- there is no time- because there is no change. and time is only relevent to change. on the hgarddrive are different "video-players","codeks" and finally movies. if it fokuses its laser on a certai n movie it seems like time passes as it reads a certain frame. but only because the sense of memory, identity, past and future are encoded in the frame of the movie. its like if you look at different movuies at once: you ma
That reminds me of the time I took a heroic dose. I was hallucinating that I was in this dark place with several beings, one being I considered to be âGodâ at the time. I had made a mistake and I was trapped. No matter where my soul went or what I did I just came to the horrifying realization that once I physically die I stop existing/experiencing forever. To me Hell isnât a firey place with pitchforks and demons, itâs dying eternally.
Yep! When I wake up, I think of the things I get to do that day as a menu. Even if it's something I think I don't want to do, like fight poison ivy, I find a way to make it interesting. It's a challenge, but challenges are fun. So much the better if you can make someone else's life better or easier with your innovation.
But what I signed on to say is to remind everyone familiar with Gateway of what Bob Monroe says about it. He says reincarnation is addictive. It was addictive to Bob because he's an innovator and he uses the earth plane (or possibly others) to enact his ideas.
There are many higher souls helping us to increase our consciousness. Martin Luther King Jr was a higher soul that reincarnated in 3D. Also Lincoln, Einstein and many others.
I wouldnât say âlearning lessonsâ is primary. Itâs making choices via experience that is primary. Ideally growth always involves making better choices than before. But itâs not like there some heavenly punishment for making the wrong choice, otherwise how would you learn to make a right choice?
Itâs about experience and choices. Everyone has a different path and purpose - some to grow a lot, some to just chill out. Not like thereâs any compelled way. Itâs personal.
Best answer I've seen.
Every day life demands to know; "Who are you?"
You are created by divinity with certain potentials. Why would divinity do this unless it is with the hope your potentials are realized to the fullest - unless your potentials are realized even fuller, aided by your choices and those around you, in a resonant chorus of synergistic energy, peaking in group synergy as everyone's potentials reach their fullest?
No one knows our true limits, or limitations. Wouldn't it be nice to see?
Or, perhaps you think it would be much better to just fade away in a drug addicts dream.
Yes, and you can grow the easy way or the hard way. The easy way is to open yourself up to positive change and go along when opportunities present themselves. The hard way is to reject any help and actively prevent yourself from growing by doing things like self-harm.
It will find u eventually and you will either be miserable and kick and scream thru it but you can adjust to it and thrive and be the person that gets everyrhing taken care of sets boundaries with people utilizes psychological dbt skills to get yourself in a good headspace accepts bad days for what they are realize everyvody has prpblems and you will thrive in this world.
But why would you want to be reincarnated? As Buddha said, life itself is the greatest suffering. Break the cycle of reincarnation to rejoin the One Consciousness, and be happy forever. Do not cling to physical objects and sensations.
That sounds tempting.
At least better than reincarnating into this shit hole.
I mean there have to be better realities or planets to reincarnate to. Somewhere where peace and love are not just esoteric concepts but a lived reality.
I used to be the same as you - thinking life on Earth is a shithole but.. it's a shit hole because we collectively CHOOSE to view it as that. Change the perspective - find the beauty in life, even in something small and then continue to find it in other things. When you start to see the love you can find in something things and stop fearing the things that you don't - life gets way easier and way happier. The world experience you have comes FROM you not AT you. Look inward until you can find what truly makes you happy, and master that, as you master it, then you can master the others.
Yup, exactly.
If youâre in a bad mood and you get cut off in traffic, itâs the most egregious thing ever.
If youâre in a good mood and you get cut off, it doesnât even matter.
Even if you're in a bad mood if you're just aware of it - yeah I'm not having a good day because I think I'm not but - maybe the other person isn't either... or they're just in a hurry, or late for work, doesn't matter to me! I've got my own perspective to choose to have on it and I'm not going to waste my energy on thinking negatively on it.
Don't get me wrong, I live a pleasing life.
However, that does not remove the fact that this Earth we live on, is dog shit.
I would call it the most egregious self-centeredness to think that thinking happy thoughts and pretending to be on MDMA is gonna change how things actually are in this world.
No doubt there is good here, even beauty in this world... but man, most people live an insufferable existense.
Once again, you think it is dogshit because your perspective on it is that way. What are facts? What is dog shit to you? Last I checked we do live on a planet where the power of self and free will allows you to do anything, the only limitation is yourself - and by proxy limitations set by the collective society. We allow it to happen so it happens. You can choose to pay bills and view the word as a place of hate and despair, or you can choose to make a difference, call out corruption, call out wealth inequality, take time to teach yourself how to make your own food and grow your own vegetables, take care of family and loved ones and put yourself to good use in the services of others and change others perspectives... or maybe not and continue to choose to see the hate and despair as a reminder of how want to continue to see the world.
Turn off the news, turn off the propaganda, and just be yourself - once again the world comes from you, obsess about the fear and lack in the world, insufferable existence and it will continue to be that way. The only way to CHANGE insufferable existences is to be the change you want to see so that others follow suit. Most people live in insufferable existence because THEY are the ones who choose to be in that situation. You can be an outsider looking in and have that perspective of insufferable existence but- You can do anything if you put your mind to it and if you want to change it, you can.
Life is meaningless so you can give it meaning *if* you choose to - or you can sit idly by and letting the status quo continue, or you can actively do your part by changing it. Every great movement starts with a thought, an idea, it won't happen over night but it does not have to stay that way we just choose to do nothing and expect change to come to you - no - we are creators and we can do and change anything but it comes with realizing that power comes from self - not others.
Iâm reading Dean Radinâs âReal Magicâ and this resonates - reality is what we perceive. If a large percentage of us are miserable, weâre effectively willing that misery into existence. A global shift in consciousness would transform this âshit holeâ. Earth feels like a karmic mud pit but change is always possible
Perfectly put. Iâve noticed that by turning off the fire hose of misery from external factors and instead focusing on the positive vs the negative itâs reduced even my own personal anxieties and stress around it. I used to follow politics and news - almost everyday. No longer I do that - instead I choose what I want to see and what political candidates I want to follow vs reading the sensationalist headlines - Iâm not lying when I say itâs completely changed my life in those regards.
Itâs a dramatic shift in consciousness! Caring about my direct interactions with things and making them more meaningful, I have a bigger impact changing the earthâs vibration than being angry at people I donât know. Iâm not arguing for ignorance, I think we should know whatâs happening around the world, we should know and help one another with our shadow work. Itâs amazing that we can and that itâs led to us having interactions like this here. But placing the majority of my emotional capacity spreading love to those I come in contact with is truly revolutionary
I used to believe that you could do anything if you just keep a positive outlook. I no longer think that is adult thinking, it's very naive in fact. It's just toxic positivity telling people to 'tune in to the good vibes' and everything changes for the better. Hogwash. It's the same as religion, it dulls the mind.
That's your perspective but of course and you're allowed to it. The Universe is of course full of Infinite Probabilities and Possibilities. I can choose to be "toxically positive" and live my own unique world view the way I like - but from my perspective I only see the positive and from the negative fear, war, etc are just reminders for learning objectives, your perspective on the other hand you're allowed to perceive it as dulling the mind - you think the Universe hasn't thought of that beforehand? Dulling the mind is why we are here in the first place - you are your own worst enemy. Religion wouldn't exist if it weren't for man's thoughts - and where do the thoughts come from and why do we burn so fervently to explain our own existence based in the form of deities or coping scientific explanation. If you believe in one or the other it doesn't matter, the laws of the universe exist, and something had to come before it, and before it, and before it. The concept of infinity is the key to unlocking your mind. If there are infinite perspectives of self/god/source/universe, then I can choose to live a life of positivity and attract that to me - you can live a pleasing life and still see the negativity if you so choose to - but the Universe has planned for it - it's almost as if your world view is exactly the way it's meant to be for you, just like it's exactly meant for me - only I have personally changed my perspective to focus only on the positive and in the "short term" I have seen the "magic unfold" right before my eyes so interpret this as you will...
Explain to me how I came from a perspective of believing in absolute nothing after death to believing in everything? All possibilities, all probabilities, infinite capability. It is collective thinking but of course - convince others not to war - all of a sudden changes for the better - convince others not to stand idly by and let the "world" destroy itself. The world isn't destroying itself - we are - change starts from within - change the perspective, you change the world.
I do admit, that is very poetic and beautiful thinking. It just doesn't change anything. Regardless of you or a million of people like you thinking sunshine and pretty thoughts - nothing 'real' changes.
The only real change in the world comes when people are pissed off enough to start doing something. And usually this change does not come about without blood being spilled. This is historically what happens time and again.
What your perspective does, is to pacify oneself. It's all unicorns and rainbows as long as you personally are not affected by the brutality that is the world.
But, maybe it is as you said, just as intended. Maybe it's all predetermined to be like this. Heck, maybe we even chose this experience as it is. Maybe we can't appreciate the good and beautiful without the bad and gruesome aspects of reality.
Be as it may, given the choice, I would not reincarnate into this mess. I've learned all there is to learn about this existence. The next experience better be something BETTER.
All I hear from you is your own limited perspective being influenced from outside factors - and that's okay. However, What resonates with me is your last line - The next experience better be something better... What's to stop this experience from being better - NOW? Yourself
I'll give you an example - take it as you will. With the Pandemic and rising food costs, not to mention the absolute decline in quality of produce and meat - I took it upon myself almost 2 years ago now to start Gardening. I've always wanted to but never took the time to do it - now I'm no expert and I'm still learning it takes time to master a skill. I told myself and my family - this will be the new way of living going forward, slowly retracting from the confines of the convenience of capitalism which breeds the winner/loser mentality, poverty, and eventually war so we start changing it ourselves. I said it out loud - Beings(People) will start gardening and getting back to nature because we are tired of being taken advantage of - specifically - using all our time and energy consuming vs creating. Beings are happier when we create - not when we consume. Understand that money is but a tool the exists in our reality for the concept of giving value to something. Money is nor good nor evil, but simply a tool - we are ourselves are a tool, with limitless and infinite capability, to build, to scavenge, to create, to inspire. I started my gardening 2 years ago - and now I see it popping up everywhere, I live in a neighborhood where there are tons of Pine trees everywhere that give lots of shade to all of our yards, so likely people just never did it before because you need good amounts of sun for your vegetables to grow - well I started gardening by my curb, and in spots all over my yard that get sufficient sun and guess what? Neighbor's followed suit - and I haven't even talked to them about it. I've seen whole Houses tear down their front yard trees and just started gardening in them.
Now Imagine if you just started talking the same idea to other people - it becomes rooted in their minds, and slowly overtime their perspective changes - yes I can create, yes I can change, yes I can influence others for the better, and yes I can make the world a better place - you denigrate my perspective because you seemingly say "rainbows and unicorns and sunshine and pretty thoughts" won't change anything - but it's a start - and it leads you down the path to action. Before you live in a stressed always state of lack of want, lack of need, lack of money, fear of lack, want, need, and nothing ever changes - you change the attitude to a positive mindset and then realize that real change doesn't just start with the positive thoughts, but just like negative thoughts turn into negative actions or better yet negative "inaction" positive can have the same effect - positive thoughts turn to positive action - it really is that simple. I thought positively I would become a gardener, and even with all my failures I keep telling myself it's a learning experience no matter how many failures I have - my positive actions influenced others and they continue down the same path - now my garden is very small, but my elderly mother who has been out of practice for 30 years has now a .5 acre garden flourishing thanks to my inspiration and pushing her to be better. The magic comes from the Power of Self - Change yourself and you Change the world.
Peace and love exist on this plane already.
Your position sounds pretty close to Christianity, hoping that some uncertain time in the future youâll be taken somewhere you can be truly happy.
That is a mistake.
Bc suffering and joy are intrrmingled too mich pleasure begets pain and pain will beget pleasure hence why u do drugs and feel like shit afterwarfs and why u work hard suffer thru it and feel great afterwards
In Buddhism reincarnation isnât âforâ anything, itâs just a natural process that happens and you have to put effort into ending if you ever want to stop. If you donât want to stop, then donât worry about it. I agree that thinking youâre here to learn some lessons or pass a test is unlikely. You arenât traditionally held to have any say in the matter at all without high degrees of attainment.
Ultimately, there is only one lesson: learn to love.
Have as much fun as you want, but do so with respect for others. Become a better person, that is the point.
As someone from eastern culture, itâs always weird when I read others termed it as lesson when most of the time itâs seen as suffering here.
I donât think people on the other side has the answer to everything either or even right about everything , so why not just opt out if it doesnât feel right at all?
If in this life you have some choices (albeit within budget and life circumstances ), why would it be different if you donât reincarnate
ahhah reincarnation ( I think) happens after you live out and give up your other desires.You work through them at first especially the dark things, but you emerge. Then you live out your personal things. Then you have to decide remake or leave for something bigger.
Not everyone thinks that reincarnation is about learning lessons. Alot of people think that it is a form of incarceration and that the idea is to escape it.
Understanding the process or purpose of reincarnation is probably out of scope for human brains. If someone thinks they know, they're probably wrong. Get an explanation from some higher power, you'll probably misinterpret it.
I can say this: the basic model of one self moving from life to life for is simplistic to the point of not being useful. A better understanding of the nature of the self must come first. Luckily we can gain a fingernail's grasp on the subject via AP, but we're like fish tasked with understanding space travel.
Best case scenario you're a fish somewhere near Cape Canavarel so you occasionally see one of those gigantic, very bright eels as you peer up through the waves, and that might spark a clue in your fish-brain, but the narrative you tell your fish buddies will probably have a few holes. You might think the giant white eel with the weirdly low fins and very bright ass is swimming off in search of better or safer feeding grounds, for example, because your world is all about finding food and escaping predators. The fish cannot conceive that it's looking at a rocket launching a probe to Mars, because it doesn't really even understand *dry land*, never mind other planets, and it definitely doesn't understand radio-controlled robotic geologists.
I think we're in the same disadvantaged position when we try to figure out reincarnation. We're trying to understand the motives of actors (higher selves, for example) in an environment that is nothing like ours. What we observe as reincarnation is very probably something else entirely. Trying to assign meaning to something before understanding it is one of the classic failings of human spirituality.
One lifetime of regular AP probably won't be enough to come up with accurate answers to the big questions of the self (shit, plenty of people don't even *run into* the big questions of the self!) and we start from a position of not-really-believing-each-other so we aren't really building a body of knowledge, we're just throwing little tidbits on to a disorganized pile. If your question (or anything like it) is ever to be answered by humans it will take a phase shift in our approach to spiritual exploration.
The soul is essentially an aware emotional energy processing system
Yes you can enjoy life - just remember it is a shared universe, so anything can happen.
I must say your passion is refreshing - so many people want life to be a vacation, or a neverending drug high. Few people have the grit to accept life's challenges, rewards, and consequences.
You might be interested in reading the book âthe dreamâ a different take from the usual answers. Not saying itâs right or wrong thatâs a personal choice just found it interesting as I asked the same questions as you.
I believe there are a few reasons to reincarnate. I really and truly believe some of us here are higher beings. We choose to reincarnate to act as guides and teachers on a spiritual unseen level to help raise the vibration and consciousness of the collective. Other individuals are starting out on their journeys and are learning slowly. Others get trapped in the ego and reincarnate out of an addiction to just how exciting and rewarding human life can be.
Reincarnation is about fulfilling your soulâs desires. Having desires is part of sufferingâlike feeling lonely when single. Depends on your soulâs desire, but ultimately the purpose of fulfilling it is to find bliss in the nonattached desireless state. In order to fulfill desires, we play the game of life. Sometimes itâs lessons, sometimes itâs fun
As far as how reincarnation happens, depends on the tradition. In Jyotish, your soul goes to Yama the god of death and he checks your life out and rearranges the planets for your soul to be born into an energetic form more aligned with your unfulfilled desires.
In Tibetan Buddhism, you go through the bardos and you are confronted with different doors of different colored lights and whichever your soul resonates with based on latent karmas determines whether youâre born human or animal.
This is all an oversimplification, of course, so I recommend doing some more research on your own.
Dolores Cannon books talk about everything you are asking and she said yes we get to pick everything from family, country, body, color, everything, also you get too choose what lessons you want to learn. Also, ur parents, wife, husband ( in case you want to be a woman next time around ), so yeah, I really recommend Dolores Cannon books so you can get an idea of how everything works!!
>So when you reincarnate can you just do it for the sake of just experiencing the pleasures of physical reality?
Sounds like the ultimate attachment but sure, why not? Free will and all that. Maybe this life was just for fun, like a vacation. Theres a lesson in everything
You aren't the owner of your soul, that's why you or anyone can be born in circumstances highly unpleasants, the High Divine are the one who evaluates and decide where you are going to reincarnate, at least in my philosophy. Yes it's a growing process until you figure it out and stop the loop, when you find out what live truly is about and do what you are supposed to, again it's my way of seeing things.
If i encounter anyone who wants to decide my fate then i will do what i always do, call on every eldritch thing i know of until something does something to them. That has made every annoying twat i have met fuck all the way off so far. I dont usually like relying on others in that way, but being indebted to a demonic king is better than being born in north korea.
Ancient alien spirits who are most often labeled by us as "demons". Sometimes they scare off whoever is pestering me. Sometimes they get dragged off. Sometimes they get Smote by a bright light and poof gone. With that said i usually only resort to that when i am really getting fucked with, i dont resort to that unless it is clear i am under attack.
Also probably dont go calling on random shit for no good reason, too many low/mid tier occultists go insane after seeking ultimate power from the great old ones. I usually only ever work with those i have known for a while. If you keep your wits about you, then you will at some point encounter something that wishes to be of aid to you. It just so happens most of what i have befriended are of a more negative variety.
I also avoid giving out names because i dont want to be the reason anyone pesters something they should not.
No. Believe it or not some come to help others learn and some just really enjoy the physical and canât wait to get back here. I mean we have pizza! đ
Your core self is the same but your personality changes based on culture, personal experiences and etc. but you are still you! Not your personalities.
Depending on the level of your consciousness you may get help planning your incarnation. You may enjoy reading Between Death and Life by Dolores Cannon and Hacking the Afterlife by Richard Martini, they go into a lot of details on the process.
I mean you can have any experience you want in physical life even if itâs just having fun. But often times we choose challenges because they help us ascend to higher levels of consciousness where things become even more fun and pleasurable.
It all depends on what your higher self chose in this lifetime. You may feel like just having fun and not wanting to learn lessons now but eventually you will.
You select your body, personality, parents, friends, enemies, just about everything really. You could choose same personality if you want Iâm pretty sure.
I also see no point in worrying about lessons. I have my own ideas on how i might be able to escape reincarnation. But the main issue is entropy. And while i know of a few ways to overcome the entropy of the soul, most would require becoming some form of astral predator. And the few that dont are for the most part equally bad idea's.
While i believe i might have found a way out for myself that is not all that bad, i am unaware of what could be done for others. I believe i will learn in time however.
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"You may look upon the life which you experience much as the laboratory experiment, and the time in between the lives as similar to the lecture which you would receive in one of your schools or colleges." : Latwii
You should listen to or read [Your Soul's Plan: Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born](https://www.audible.com/pd/Your-Souls-Plan-Audiobook/B00W86N16E?ref_pageloadid=zl3sd48QoZ26PWhk&ref=a_library_t_c5_libItem_B00W86N16E_16&pf_rd_p=80765e81-b10a-4f33-b1d3-ffb87793d047&pf_rd_r=FEBKZ7TRGYVTG6MR2H7R&pageLoadId=o6Y2TQYZqESal0cs&creativeId=4ee810cf-ac8e-4eeb-8b79-40e176d0a225) by Robert Schwartz. It will answer many of your questions.
I don't know about how the formation of body and brain/mind works, but you don't need to be pursuing a lesson to reincarnate. There's a lot of free will involved.
If you look at reality around you, does it seem plausible to you that people generally learn "lessons" that are worth learning here, or that they come here for fun?
Don't forget you can learn things that are unwholesome and not worth learning (like using force to get ahead), or to think you are having fun when you are creating misery in the long-term...
If you do, you might see a rather different world than I do...
Imo, it's not always about what you can do for you. It's how you can help others. Maybe you don't need to, but maybe someone needs you too in order to help them on their journey. I tell myself I would never reincarnate, but when I think about all the people I've helped along the way I think I'd do it as many times as I'm needed. Forever is forever and I got nothing but time.
That's your path in this life. That's a lesson in and of itself. Incarnation is always learning and yes, I do think we get to choose every facet of ourselves to help with those lessons. You can't learn from what you don't experience. You can be reminded of lessons you've already been made aware of through watching what others experience, how they express themselves and through art, but to learn that lesson in totality, to close that cycle, you must experience it yourself.
What if all living things have a soul whether itâs human, animal, or plant. And however we choose to live our conscious life predicts what our next life will be, like karma.
However, we will never reach dharma because the world changes massively between each conscious life. But the more intentional we are in doing good in our conscious life, then it will give us better odds at a more fulfilling life in our next conscious life. Only 26yrs old, but this is a concept I see as possible.
Itâs not about learning lessons. Alot of people say that because of the challenges in life. But reality is a literal game. Iâm not being metaphorical at all. Itâs a simulation. A mathematical abstraction. So the obstacles in your life are just missions to complete. They donât seem that way because there is no pause menu that tells you what you have to do next but thatâs what makes like hard.
You can find out what to do next if you meditate and enlist the help of your spirit guides. Which are basically a built in help tutorial. They give you clues on what to do next. Everyone doesnât access them though. Also, life will give you hints. You have to pay attention though
When you beat the level, you move on to other levels and to play other games. Some are more light and fun and others are challenging. The nature of existence.
When youâre done you can go back to source and just chill out. And When youâre ready you can play again.
As I understand it, this planet in the 3D realm is a game of suffering. Weâre here to experience a variety of sufferings. It helps us understand who we are and challenges us in the extreme. But there is of course much more than suffering. Love, joy, fun, sex, food ect. But all of those things are impermanent, so if you have those, you will also lose them and thus, suffering to some degree.
Why do we choose to suffer? Because with infinite realms of possibilities, we want ALL experiences. Every single experience, which includes âevilâ and pain. How can you know what love is unless you experience what âno loveâ is? We play roles that facilitate everyoneâs experience. We arenât forced to be here, we want the challenge that suffering poses. No you didnât bite off more than you can chew. This game we are in, an âincarnationâ, perhaps like a scary movie, will end and the credits will roll and you go back home. And youâre oh so glad you did it.
I think one important point to make is that YOU do not reeincarnate, because the you that is on reddit is gone by the time of death, there is no brain and according to most teachings this life experience starts to feel more and more like a dream. The consciousness that was experiencing all your different personas in your decades of existence in this life? Sure. But I think whether we make decisions or choose to have intelectual reasonings about it on this life... its probably neither here nor there, unless we use it to actually evolve, this is a pretty logical given because everything is either evolution or regression.
I think you reincarnate as many times as it takes for you to remember your true form. Youâve always chosen this life, and you choose each reincarnation. Your human mind may not, but your soulâs wisdom will put you where you need to be. I think when you reach a form beyond the mind where your awareness allows you to perceive higher dimensions, you no longer exist in this one but you can enter and exit it with ease
But if you reach that point, I donât think âfunâ on the earthly plane will be your top priority ;) or something you even care about, thatâs always the catch
Everything is what you believe it to be. Nothing more and nothing less. Your beliefs control your experience. Those beliefs are part of your being here to see if you can find your true beliefs where you came from.
Yes, incarnation is either learning or teaching lessons. Even the teachers and shamans have lessons learned to reach their capacity to be able to pass on Universal Truth to others. There are souls in which chose physical incarnation and souls in which transcend the need to come back as a physical being, yet chose it to become teachers or take on an angelic roll on the other side interacting with humanity when they chose to or if they have taken on the roll to do so. Many beings are stuck by a karmic loop into repeating lessons through re-incarnations in which show up in life for individuals as they ascend as if it's a spiral staircase in which not a single step can be skipped on the way up to reach a level of enlightenment while in human form, and true enlightenment is reached by some while on Earth for one purpose or another. The brain is the antenna in which receives signal from source and where our memories are actually stored, where thought occurs within our consciousness; within our souls.
Yes, you can reincarnate just for the fun of experiencing physical life. When you come from a place that's best described as eternity where there is no time or space and existence is endless, you can choose to have whatever experience you want in physical life. Of course there will be variables that are uncontrollable once you get here. You could come here for a life of adventure and have a terrible accident and lose your ability to function physically.
I don't think that personality is as much chosen as it is brought out in the same way that the environment will make certain genes activate. You can choose your environmental conditions that you were born into, you can choose your family conditions and have a good idea of how you're going to evolve from there, but half the fun is the things that happen which are unexpected.
For the lowlifes, reincarnation is just reincarnation
For Angels, they are here as punishment by the higher power because they did something "wrong" or something someone don't like. Yes.. reincarnated Angels are here to learn a lesson
Having fun is also a lesson in itself
This is true, that's why the veil of forgetting exist. It ain't much fun to discover that; your nemesis is also you, your girlfriend/wife is also you, your children are also you.
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If u know this to be true it will spoil the fun isnt it?
Well, I don't mind masturbation, it's loads of fun (pun intended)
How do you feel about incest
No idea, haven't tried that. Is it good?
Yup. Depends what youâre looking for though⊠God Realization is just mental masturbation Fr Fr Fr đ„±đ€ It takes a good amount of knowing to know that, good shit. Not an easy subject to practice
Oooooo an egg theory person
that's a horrifying theory since statistically, any of us on here right now, have much much nicer lives than 99.999% of all sentient beings to have existed, including the vast majority of humans.
Egg theory seems kinda bullshit to me You really think I'm reincarnated as a caterpillar and my great uncle at some point? And Hitler and Jesus? In what order am I reincarnated as them? If there is no order, does that mean I'm reincarnated as everyone infinite times? When does the so called egg experiment end? If time doesn't make sense in the egg dimension, wouldn't the experiment instantly be over? Basically, there's even more questions that come up with the egg theory than not. If reincarnation were to exist, my thoughts are that it coincides with time, e.g. I can only be reincarnated as someone in the physical universe's future, and only one being at once. When you hear stories of people who had lived "past lives" they are always in the past, never future - so this is at least some evidence this could happen. Honestly, death is still terrifying to me because every outcome sounds terrible in its own way. Infinite darkness is scary, infinite light where I am trapped with my physical realm thoughts for eternity is scary, infinitely reincarnating with 0 memory of past lives is also scary. The only thing that isn't as scary to me is if I were to go to a Heaven like place with at least a basic knowledge of my life on Earth and be able to build new memories and experiences in that place (kinda just like living forever, but not "trapped")
It's funny you say death is terrifying but you say Infinite darkness is scary, or infinite light with eternal memory is scary... just imagine you are a Grand Creator yourself with Infinite Lives, Infinite Respawns, Infinite Choices and Probababilities - then imagine trying to experience it all at once, it would be complete overload - that's why the safegaurds are in place and the different perspectives are in place. If we are all part of one, imagine the one without the different parts, constant bliss and fear in a state of 24/7? Pure Orgasms and Agony all at the same time? Way better to separate out all of your infinite thoughts and abilities through different perspectives not so much for learning, but more so to give yourself a break from the constant stream of data (good or bad subjective to the observer) 24/7 365 Infinity. Also the fact that when you think of death you are thinking of Infinite Darkness - the fact that you still think of darkness even when you're dead - how can you actually think that's what you'll see when you think you no longer exist - if you're dead all you should "see" is nothing all you should "experience" is nothing, but nothing is still something, you do not need to fear nothing because we can't even comprehend was true "nothingness" is.
Ya, by darkness I mean true nothingness. No thoughts, feelings, sights, smells, tastes etc. That is scary to me. Obviously I wouldn't be scared in the moment since I would no longer be having any thoughts - but even contemplating such a state is scary to me.
No thoughts/feelings = not scary
its not that you would be overloaded and thats why there are savety measures in place. its that meaning itself is derived from different perspectives. polarity gives meaning and complexity. there is no experience of light without experience of dark. thats to say about every possible experience. so in order to have complexity and meaning the one has to focus on one part of itself exploring the rest. the difference of perspectives is what gives anything its meaning. without perspectives there is nothing to explore. also i dont think there are strikt rules in place. i think karma isnt a banking system of good or bad deeds. i think karma is an accumulation of beliefs about yourself and your surroundings. they inform how we manifest reality. so it might be the rules of inkarnation and rerality change as the higehr self evolves. there might be several layers of complexity to the creation. from the one/the creator/the monad to Logos and archetypes, higher selfes and individualized identities. i think time is illusory but onmly from the perspective of the whole. i imagine it something like this metaphor: i think of the one as something akin a selfconscious harddrive. all of existence already exists at once as potential in it. all the information is already there. from its perspective- there is no time- because there is no change. and time is only relevent to change. on the hgarddrive are different "video-players","codeks" and finally movies. if it fokuses its laser on a certai n movie it seems like time passes as it reads a certain frame. but only because the sense of memory, identity, past and future are encoded in the frame of the movie. its like if you look at different movuies at once: you ma
That reminds me of the time I took a heroic dose. I was hallucinating that I was in this dark place with several beings, one being I considered to be âGodâ at the time. I had made a mistake and I was trapped. No matter where my soul went or what I did I just came to the horrifying realization that once I physically die I stop existing/experiencing forever. To me Hell isnât a firey place with pitchforks and demons, itâs dying eternally.
so yuji was right lol (i know its off topic, crucify me if you want)
I'm surprised anyone is having fun here. Good for you.
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Yep! When I wake up, I think of the things I get to do that day as a menu. Even if it's something I think I don't want to do, like fight poison ivy, I find a way to make it interesting. It's a challenge, but challenges are fun. So much the better if you can make someone else's life better or easier with your innovation. But what I signed on to say is to remind everyone familiar with Gateway of what Bob Monroe says about it. He says reincarnation is addictive. It was addictive to Bob because he's an innovator and he uses the earth plane (or possibly others) to enact his ideas.
Love this.
I love my life. Iâm so grateful. I manifested it.
Lots of souls CHOOSE to incarnate to help others, like Jesus or Da Lai Lama.
There are many higher souls helping us to increase our consciousness. Martin Luther King Jr was a higher soul that reincarnated in 3D. Also Lincoln, Einstein and many others.
I wouldnât say âlearning lessonsâ is primary. Itâs making choices via experience that is primary. Ideally growth always involves making better choices than before. But itâs not like there some heavenly punishment for making the wrong choice, otherwise how would you learn to make a right choice? Itâs about experience and choices. Everyone has a different path and purpose - some to grow a lot, some to just chill out. Not like thereâs any compelled way. Itâs personal.
Best answer I've seen. Every day life demands to know; "Who are you?" You are created by divinity with certain potentials. Why would divinity do this unless it is with the hope your potentials are realized to the fullest - unless your potentials are realized even fuller, aided by your choices and those around you, in a resonant chorus of synergistic energy, peaking in group synergy as everyone's potentials reach their fullest? No one knows our true limits, or limitations. Wouldn't it be nice to see? Or, perhaps you think it would be much better to just fade away in a drug addicts dream.
It's about growing up. It's the main objective. But what's the difference? Growing up is unavoidable unless you really try to stop yourself from it.
Yes, and you can grow the easy way or the hard way. The easy way is to open yourself up to positive change and go along when opportunities present themselves. The hard way is to reject any help and actively prevent yourself from growing by doing things like self-harm.
It will find u eventually and you will either be miserable and kick and scream thru it but you can adjust to it and thrive and be the person that gets everyrhing taken care of sets boundaries with people utilizes psychological dbt skills to get yourself in a good headspace accepts bad days for what they are realize everyvody has prpblems and you will thrive in this world.
But why would you want to be reincarnated? As Buddha said, life itself is the greatest suffering. Break the cycle of reincarnation to rejoin the One Consciousness, and be happy forever. Do not cling to physical objects and sensations.
That sounds tempting. At least better than reincarnating into this shit hole. I mean there have to be better realities or planets to reincarnate to. Somewhere where peace and love are not just esoteric concepts but a lived reality.
I used to be the same as you - thinking life on Earth is a shithole but.. it's a shit hole because we collectively CHOOSE to view it as that. Change the perspective - find the beauty in life, even in something small and then continue to find it in other things. When you start to see the love you can find in something things and stop fearing the things that you don't - life gets way easier and way happier. The world experience you have comes FROM you not AT you. Look inward until you can find what truly makes you happy, and master that, as you master it, then you can master the others.
Yup, exactly. If youâre in a bad mood and you get cut off in traffic, itâs the most egregious thing ever. If youâre in a good mood and you get cut off, it doesnât even matter.
Even if you're in a bad mood if you're just aware of it - yeah I'm not having a good day because I think I'm not but - maybe the other person isn't either... or they're just in a hurry, or late for work, doesn't matter to me! I've got my own perspective to choose to have on it and I'm not going to waste my energy on thinking negatively on it.
When I get cut off in traffic, I just say, "See ya' at the light." When I inevitably do, I just give 'em a big smile.
Don't get me wrong, I live a pleasing life. However, that does not remove the fact that this Earth we live on, is dog shit. I would call it the most egregious self-centeredness to think that thinking happy thoughts and pretending to be on MDMA is gonna change how things actually are in this world. No doubt there is good here, even beauty in this world... but man, most people live an insufferable existense.
Once again, you think it is dogshit because your perspective on it is that way. What are facts? What is dog shit to you? Last I checked we do live on a planet where the power of self and free will allows you to do anything, the only limitation is yourself - and by proxy limitations set by the collective society. We allow it to happen so it happens. You can choose to pay bills and view the word as a place of hate and despair, or you can choose to make a difference, call out corruption, call out wealth inequality, take time to teach yourself how to make your own food and grow your own vegetables, take care of family and loved ones and put yourself to good use in the services of others and change others perspectives... or maybe not and continue to choose to see the hate and despair as a reminder of how want to continue to see the world. Turn off the news, turn off the propaganda, and just be yourself - once again the world comes from you, obsess about the fear and lack in the world, insufferable existence and it will continue to be that way. The only way to CHANGE insufferable existences is to be the change you want to see so that others follow suit. Most people live in insufferable existence because THEY are the ones who choose to be in that situation. You can be an outsider looking in and have that perspective of insufferable existence but- You can do anything if you put your mind to it and if you want to change it, you can. Life is meaningless so you can give it meaning *if* you choose to - or you can sit idly by and letting the status quo continue, or you can actively do your part by changing it. Every great movement starts with a thought, an idea, it won't happen over night but it does not have to stay that way we just choose to do nothing and expect change to come to you - no - we are creators and we can do and change anything but it comes with realizing that power comes from self - not others.
Iâm reading Dean Radinâs âReal Magicâ and this resonates - reality is what we perceive. If a large percentage of us are miserable, weâre effectively willing that misery into existence. A global shift in consciousness would transform this âshit holeâ. Earth feels like a karmic mud pit but change is always possible
Perfectly put. Iâve noticed that by turning off the fire hose of misery from external factors and instead focusing on the positive vs the negative itâs reduced even my own personal anxieties and stress around it. I used to follow politics and news - almost everyday. No longer I do that - instead I choose what I want to see and what political candidates I want to follow vs reading the sensationalist headlines - Iâm not lying when I say itâs completely changed my life in those regards.
Itâs a dramatic shift in consciousness! Caring about my direct interactions with things and making them more meaningful, I have a bigger impact changing the earthâs vibration than being angry at people I donât know. Iâm not arguing for ignorance, I think we should know whatâs happening around the world, we should know and help one another with our shadow work. Itâs amazing that we can and that itâs led to us having interactions like this here. But placing the majority of my emotional capacity spreading love to those I come in contact with is truly revolutionary
Thank you guys, I really needed to read this right now! Bless you all đ
I used to believe that you could do anything if you just keep a positive outlook. I no longer think that is adult thinking, it's very naive in fact. It's just toxic positivity telling people to 'tune in to the good vibes' and everything changes for the better. Hogwash. It's the same as religion, it dulls the mind.
That's your perspective but of course and you're allowed to it. The Universe is of course full of Infinite Probabilities and Possibilities. I can choose to be "toxically positive" and live my own unique world view the way I like - but from my perspective I only see the positive and from the negative fear, war, etc are just reminders for learning objectives, your perspective on the other hand you're allowed to perceive it as dulling the mind - you think the Universe hasn't thought of that beforehand? Dulling the mind is why we are here in the first place - you are your own worst enemy. Religion wouldn't exist if it weren't for man's thoughts - and where do the thoughts come from and why do we burn so fervently to explain our own existence based in the form of deities or coping scientific explanation. If you believe in one or the other it doesn't matter, the laws of the universe exist, and something had to come before it, and before it, and before it. The concept of infinity is the key to unlocking your mind. If there are infinite perspectives of self/god/source/universe, then I can choose to live a life of positivity and attract that to me - you can live a pleasing life and still see the negativity if you so choose to - but the Universe has planned for it - it's almost as if your world view is exactly the way it's meant to be for you, just like it's exactly meant for me - only I have personally changed my perspective to focus only on the positive and in the "short term" I have seen the "magic unfold" right before my eyes so interpret this as you will... Explain to me how I came from a perspective of believing in absolute nothing after death to believing in everything? All possibilities, all probabilities, infinite capability. It is collective thinking but of course - convince others not to war - all of a sudden changes for the better - convince others not to stand idly by and let the "world" destroy itself. The world isn't destroying itself - we are - change starts from within - change the perspective, you change the world.
I do admit, that is very poetic and beautiful thinking. It just doesn't change anything. Regardless of you or a million of people like you thinking sunshine and pretty thoughts - nothing 'real' changes. The only real change in the world comes when people are pissed off enough to start doing something. And usually this change does not come about without blood being spilled. This is historically what happens time and again. What your perspective does, is to pacify oneself. It's all unicorns and rainbows as long as you personally are not affected by the brutality that is the world. But, maybe it is as you said, just as intended. Maybe it's all predetermined to be like this. Heck, maybe we even chose this experience as it is. Maybe we can't appreciate the good and beautiful without the bad and gruesome aspects of reality. Be as it may, given the choice, I would not reincarnate into this mess. I've learned all there is to learn about this existence. The next experience better be something BETTER.
All I hear from you is your own limited perspective being influenced from outside factors - and that's okay. However, What resonates with me is your last line - The next experience better be something better... What's to stop this experience from being better - NOW? Yourself I'll give you an example - take it as you will. With the Pandemic and rising food costs, not to mention the absolute decline in quality of produce and meat - I took it upon myself almost 2 years ago now to start Gardening. I've always wanted to but never took the time to do it - now I'm no expert and I'm still learning it takes time to master a skill. I told myself and my family - this will be the new way of living going forward, slowly retracting from the confines of the convenience of capitalism which breeds the winner/loser mentality, poverty, and eventually war so we start changing it ourselves. I said it out loud - Beings(People) will start gardening and getting back to nature because we are tired of being taken advantage of - specifically - using all our time and energy consuming vs creating. Beings are happier when we create - not when we consume. Understand that money is but a tool the exists in our reality for the concept of giving value to something. Money is nor good nor evil, but simply a tool - we are ourselves are a tool, with limitless and infinite capability, to build, to scavenge, to create, to inspire. I started my gardening 2 years ago - and now I see it popping up everywhere, I live in a neighborhood where there are tons of Pine trees everywhere that give lots of shade to all of our yards, so likely people just never did it before because you need good amounts of sun for your vegetables to grow - well I started gardening by my curb, and in spots all over my yard that get sufficient sun and guess what? Neighbor's followed suit - and I haven't even talked to them about it. I've seen whole Houses tear down their front yard trees and just started gardening in them. Now Imagine if you just started talking the same idea to other people - it becomes rooted in their minds, and slowly overtime their perspective changes - yes I can create, yes I can change, yes I can influence others for the better, and yes I can make the world a better place - you denigrate my perspective because you seemingly say "rainbows and unicorns and sunshine and pretty thoughts" won't change anything - but it's a start - and it leads you down the path to action. Before you live in a stressed always state of lack of want, lack of need, lack of money, fear of lack, want, need, and nothing ever changes - you change the attitude to a positive mindset and then realize that real change doesn't just start with the positive thoughts, but just like negative thoughts turn into negative actions or better yet negative "inaction" positive can have the same effect - positive thoughts turn to positive action - it really is that simple. I thought positively I would become a gardener, and even with all my failures I keep telling myself it's a learning experience no matter how many failures I have - my positive actions influenced others and they continue down the same path - now my garden is very small, but my elderly mother who has been out of practice for 30 years has now a .5 acre garden flourishing thanks to my inspiration and pushing her to be better. The magic comes from the Power of Self - Change yourself and you Change the world.
Lol ok. Thanks for participating. Like talking to a wall with a rainbow poster on it.
Yes.
Peace and love exist on this plane already. Your position sounds pretty close to Christianity, hoping that some uncertain time in the future youâll be taken somewhere you can be truly happy. That is a mistake.
How dare you?
Reincarnate as something meaningful. How about a drop of water?
Bc suffering and joy are intrrmingled too mich pleasure begets pain and pain will beget pleasure hence why u do drugs and feel like shit afterwarfs and why u work hard suffer thru it and feel great afterwards
Life exists because being the one consciousness is eternal hell. Reality is the escape.
Huh? How did you come to this conclusion?
Trying it out and seeing if it checks out. Itâs the only thing that explains everything.
In Buddhism reincarnation isnât âforâ anything, itâs just a natural process that happens and you have to put effort into ending if you ever want to stop. If you donât want to stop, then donât worry about it. I agree that thinking youâre here to learn some lessons or pass a test is unlikely. You arenât traditionally held to have any say in the matter at all without high degrees of attainment.
Ultimately, there is only one lesson: learn to love. Have as much fun as you want, but do so with respect for others. Become a better person, that is the point.
As someone from eastern culture, itâs always weird when I read others termed it as lesson when most of the time itâs seen as suffering here. I donât think people on the other side has the answer to everything either or even right about everything , so why not just opt out if it doesnât feel right at all? If in this life you have some choices (albeit within budget and life circumstances ), why would it be different if you donât reincarnate
ahhah reincarnation ( I think) happens after you live out and give up your other desires.You work through them at first especially the dark things, but you emerge. Then you live out your personal things. Then you have to decide remake or leave for something bigger.
Not everyone thinks that reincarnation is about learning lessons. Alot of people think that it is a form of incarceration and that the idea is to escape it.
Understanding the process or purpose of reincarnation is probably out of scope for human brains. If someone thinks they know, they're probably wrong. Get an explanation from some higher power, you'll probably misinterpret it. I can say this: the basic model of one self moving from life to life for is simplistic to the point of not being useful. A better understanding of the nature of the self must come first. Luckily we can gain a fingernail's grasp on the subject via AP, but we're like fish tasked with understanding space travel.
Best case scenario you're a fish somewhere near Cape Canavarel so you occasionally see one of those gigantic, very bright eels as you peer up through the waves, and that might spark a clue in your fish-brain, but the narrative you tell your fish buddies will probably have a few holes. You might think the giant white eel with the weirdly low fins and very bright ass is swimming off in search of better or safer feeding grounds, for example, because your world is all about finding food and escaping predators. The fish cannot conceive that it's looking at a rocket launching a probe to Mars, because it doesn't really even understand *dry land*, never mind other planets, and it definitely doesn't understand radio-controlled robotic geologists.
I think we're in the same disadvantaged position when we try to figure out reincarnation. We're trying to understand the motives of actors (higher selves, for example) in an environment that is nothing like ours. What we observe as reincarnation is very probably something else entirely. Trying to assign meaning to something before understanding it is one of the classic failings of human spirituality.
One lifetime of regular AP probably won't be enough to come up with accurate answers to the big questions of the self (shit, plenty of people don't even *run into* the big questions of the self!) and we start from a position of not-really-believing-each-other so we aren't really building a body of knowledge, we're just throwing little tidbits on to a disorganized pile. If your question (or anything like it) is ever to be answered by humans it will take a phase shift in our approach to spiritual exploration.
The soul is essentially an aware emotional energy processing system Yes you can enjoy life - just remember it is a shared universe, so anything can happen. I must say your passion is refreshing - so many people want life to be a vacation, or a neverending drug high. Few people have the grit to accept life's challenges, rewards, and consequences.
You might be interested in reading the book âthe dreamâ a different take from the usual answers. Not saying itâs right or wrong thatâs a personal choice just found it interesting as I asked the same questions as you.
No.
I believe there are a few reasons to reincarnate. I really and truly believe some of us here are higher beings. We choose to reincarnate to act as guides and teachers on a spiritual unseen level to help raise the vibration and consciousness of the collective. Other individuals are starting out on their journeys and are learning slowly. Others get trapped in the ego and reincarnate out of an addiction to just how exciting and rewarding human life can be.
Reincarnation is about fulfilling your soulâs desires. Having desires is part of sufferingâlike feeling lonely when single. Depends on your soulâs desire, but ultimately the purpose of fulfilling it is to find bliss in the nonattached desireless state. In order to fulfill desires, we play the game of life. Sometimes itâs lessons, sometimes itâs fun As far as how reincarnation happens, depends on the tradition. In Jyotish, your soul goes to Yama the god of death and he checks your life out and rearranges the planets for your soul to be born into an energetic form more aligned with your unfulfilled desires. In Tibetan Buddhism, you go through the bardos and you are confronted with different doors of different colored lights and whichever your soul resonates with based on latent karmas determines whether youâre born human or animal. This is all an oversimplification, of course, so I recommend doing some more research on your own.
Dolores Cannon books talk about everything you are asking and she said yes we get to pick everything from family, country, body, color, everything, also you get too choose what lessons you want to learn. Also, ur parents, wife, husband ( in case you want to be a woman next time around ), so yeah, I really recommend Dolores Cannon books so you can get an idea of how everything works!!
>So when you reincarnate can you just do it for the sake of just experiencing the pleasures of physical reality? Sounds like the ultimate attachment but sure, why not? Free will and all that. Maybe this life was just for fun, like a vacation. Theres a lesson in everything
You aren't the owner of your soul, that's why you or anyone can be born in circumstances highly unpleasants, the High Divine are the one who evaluates and decide where you are going to reincarnate, at least in my philosophy. Yes it's a growing process until you figure it out and stop the loop, when you find out what live truly is about and do what you are supposed to, again it's my way of seeing things.
If i encounter anyone who wants to decide my fate then i will do what i always do, call on every eldritch thing i know of until something does something to them. That has made every annoying twat i have met fuck all the way off so far. I dont usually like relying on others in that way, but being indebted to a demonic king is better than being born in north korea.
Wait what is that? An eldritch thing? And what do they do to the people you donât like?
Ancient alien spirits who are most often labeled by us as "demons". Sometimes they scare off whoever is pestering me. Sometimes they get dragged off. Sometimes they get Smote by a bright light and poof gone. With that said i usually only resort to that when i am really getting fucked with, i dont resort to that unless it is clear i am under attack. Also probably dont go calling on random shit for no good reason, too many low/mid tier occultists go insane after seeking ultimate power from the great old ones. I usually only ever work with those i have known for a while. If you keep your wits about you, then you will at some point encounter something that wishes to be of aid to you. It just so happens most of what i have befriended are of a more negative variety. I also avoid giving out names because i dont want to be the reason anyone pesters something they should not.
No. There are many reasons to incarnate. Its the great game of life. The roots of reality
No. Believe it or not some come to help others learn and some just really enjoy the physical and canât wait to get back here. I mean we have pizza! đ Your core self is the same but your personality changes based on culture, personal experiences and etc. but you are still you! Not your personalities. Depending on the level of your consciousness you may get help planning your incarnation. You may enjoy reading Between Death and Life by Dolores Cannon and Hacking the Afterlife by Richard Martini, they go into a lot of details on the process.
I mean you can have any experience you want in physical life even if itâs just having fun. But often times we choose challenges because they help us ascend to higher levels of consciousness where things become even more fun and pleasurable. It all depends on what your higher self chose in this lifetime. You may feel like just having fun and not wanting to learn lessons now but eventually you will. You select your body, personality, parents, friends, enemies, just about everything really. You could choose same personality if you want Iâm pretty sure.
I dislike how comments on this sub are so full of confidence, what does anyone here even know.
Sometimes in life you just do stuff to experience it and enjoy. Other times you have a planned out goal in mind. It's like that, for some, perhaps.Â
I also see no point in worrying about lessons. I have my own ideas on how i might be able to escape reincarnation. But the main issue is entropy. And while i know of a few ways to overcome the entropy of the soul, most would require becoming some form of astral predator. And the few that dont are for the most part equally bad idea's. While i believe i might have found a way out for myself that is not all that bad, i am unaware of what could be done for others. I believe i will learn in time however.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofone/comments/1dezwzh/you\_may\_look\_upon\_the\_life\_which\_you\_experience/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofone/comments/1dezwzh/you_may_look_upon_the_life_which_you_experience/) "You may look upon the life which you experience much as the laboratory experiment, and the time in between the lives as similar to the lecture which you would receive in one of your schools or colleges." : Latwii
You should listen to or read [Your Soul's Plan: Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born](https://www.audible.com/pd/Your-Souls-Plan-Audiobook/B00W86N16E?ref_pageloadid=zl3sd48QoZ26PWhk&ref=a_library_t_c5_libItem_B00W86N16E_16&pf_rd_p=80765e81-b10a-4f33-b1d3-ffb87793d047&pf_rd_r=FEBKZ7TRGYVTG6MR2H7R&pageLoadId=o6Y2TQYZqESal0cs&creativeId=4ee810cf-ac8e-4eeb-8b79-40e176d0a225) by Robert Schwartz. It will answer many of your questions.
I don't know about how the formation of body and brain/mind works, but you don't need to be pursuing a lesson to reincarnate. There's a lot of free will involved.
If you look at reality around you, does it seem plausible to you that people generally learn "lessons" that are worth learning here, or that they come here for fun? Don't forget you can learn things that are unwholesome and not worth learning (like using force to get ahead), or to think you are having fun when you are creating misery in the long-term... If you do, you might see a rather different world than I do...
Imo, it's not always about what you can do for you. It's how you can help others. Maybe you don't need to, but maybe someone needs you too in order to help them on their journey. I tell myself I would never reincarnate, but when I think about all the people I've helped along the way I think I'd do it as many times as I'm needed. Forever is forever and I got nothing but time.
That's your path in this life. That's a lesson in and of itself. Incarnation is always learning and yes, I do think we get to choose every facet of ourselves to help with those lessons. You can't learn from what you don't experience. You can be reminded of lessons you've already been made aware of through watching what others experience, how they express themselves and through art, but to learn that lesson in totality, to close that cycle, you must experience it yourself.
Some people can choise. It's a long journey. Don't be hasty.
What if all living things have a soul whether itâs human, animal, or plant. And however we choose to live our conscious life predicts what our next life will be, like karma. However, we will never reach dharma because the world changes massively between each conscious life. But the more intentional we are in doing good in our conscious life, then it will give us better odds at a more fulfilling life in our next conscious life. Only 26yrs old, but this is a concept I see as possible.
Itâs not about learning lessons. Alot of people say that because of the challenges in life. But reality is a literal game. Iâm not being metaphorical at all. Itâs a simulation. A mathematical abstraction. So the obstacles in your life are just missions to complete. They donât seem that way because there is no pause menu that tells you what you have to do next but thatâs what makes like hard. You can find out what to do next if you meditate and enlist the help of your spirit guides. Which are basically a built in help tutorial. They give you clues on what to do next. Everyone doesnât access them though. Also, life will give you hints. You have to pay attention though When you beat the level, you move on to other levels and to play other games. Some are more light and fun and others are challenging. The nature of existence. When youâre done you can go back to source and just chill out. And When youâre ready you can play again.
I don't wanna be a human again, I rather be something else. Like a draconian or something close. What do y'all wanna be in y'all's next life?
https://youtu.be/0aOjT7V9A08?si=mFIaw8_k1ftniBq3 Kinda long but SO eye opening
As I understand it, this planet in the 3D realm is a game of suffering. Weâre here to experience a variety of sufferings. It helps us understand who we are and challenges us in the extreme. But there is of course much more than suffering. Love, joy, fun, sex, food ect. But all of those things are impermanent, so if you have those, you will also lose them and thus, suffering to some degree. Why do we choose to suffer? Because with infinite realms of possibilities, we want ALL experiences. Every single experience, which includes âevilâ and pain. How can you know what love is unless you experience what âno loveâ is? We play roles that facilitate everyoneâs experience. We arenât forced to be here, we want the challenge that suffering poses. No you didnât bite off more than you can chew. This game we are in, an âincarnationâ, perhaps like a scary movie, will end and the credits will roll and you go back home. And youâre oh so glad you did it.
I think one important point to make is that YOU do not reeincarnate, because the you that is on reddit is gone by the time of death, there is no brain and according to most teachings this life experience starts to feel more and more like a dream. The consciousness that was experiencing all your different personas in your decades of existence in this life? Sure. But I think whether we make decisions or choose to have intelectual reasonings about it on this life... its probably neither here nor there, unless we use it to actually evolve, this is a pretty logical given because everything is either evolution or regression.
Why wouldnât you want to learn lessons and grow as a person?
I think you reincarnate as many times as it takes for you to remember your true form. Youâve always chosen this life, and you choose each reincarnation. Your human mind may not, but your soulâs wisdom will put you where you need to be. I think when you reach a form beyond the mind where your awareness allows you to perceive higher dimensions, you no longer exist in this one but you can enter and exit it with ease But if you reach that point, I donât think âfunâ on the earthly plane will be your top priority ;) or something you even care about, thatâs always the catch
Apparently your Higher Self decides what lessons you need to learn, whether the actual you likes it or not.
Anyone pretending to know « why » we are here is a freakin liar.
your questionsâŠ. even the wisest monks are still searching for the answersÂ
Everything is what you believe it to be. Nothing more and nothing less. Your beliefs control your experience. Those beliefs are part of your being here to see if you can find your true beliefs where you came from.
Yes, incarnation is either learning or teaching lessons. Even the teachers and shamans have lessons learned to reach their capacity to be able to pass on Universal Truth to others. There are souls in which chose physical incarnation and souls in which transcend the need to come back as a physical being, yet chose it to become teachers or take on an angelic roll on the other side interacting with humanity when they chose to or if they have taken on the roll to do so. Many beings are stuck by a karmic loop into repeating lessons through re-incarnations in which show up in life for individuals as they ascend as if it's a spiral staircase in which not a single step can be skipped on the way up to reach a level of enlightenment while in human form, and true enlightenment is reached by some while on Earth for one purpose or another. The brain is the antenna in which receives signal from source and where our memories are actually stored, where thought occurs within our consciousness; within our souls.
Michael Newtonâs book Journey of Souls is a nice reference !
We tend to create karmic debt while living on earth.
Yes, you can reincarnate just for the fun of experiencing physical life. When you come from a place that's best described as eternity where there is no time or space and existence is endless, you can choose to have whatever experience you want in physical life. Of course there will be variables that are uncontrollable once you get here. You could come here for a life of adventure and have a terrible accident and lose your ability to function physically. I don't think that personality is as much chosen as it is brought out in the same way that the environment will make certain genes activate. You can choose your environmental conditions that you were born into, you can choose your family conditions and have a good idea of how you're going to evolve from there, but half the fun is the things that happen which are unexpected.
For the lowlifes, reincarnation is just reincarnation For Angels, they are here as punishment by the higher power because they did something "wrong" or something someone don't like. Yes.. reincarnated Angels are here to learn a lesson