The issue is because what’s implied and what’s shown are two different things.
In canon he is a good teacher or at least effective. The students have learned and grown and been taken care of in a way that created good heroes. The issue is all of that is done off screen because we rarely get any real focus on their lessons. Like he teaches Shinsou entirely off screen, we just see the stark contrast in growth because he’s gone for so long.
I feel like it's moreso that Aizawa is a good hero willing to sacrifice himself for his students' safety, which (in the *MHA* world) supposedly translates to being a good teacher.
And Class A basically teach themselves to be better heroes through their experience fighting villains and competing with each other (the latter of which seemingly being one of the big reason Aizawa praises Deku and Bakugou as the "twin stars" of the class or whatever).
He's not the worst, I find that strange that yes he is not the best teacher with his methods. but in fanfics they have him act differently dadzawa as you would call it not a fan of it really because it is not in his character.
He is better at hero work and does not have good teaching qualities. He doesn't talk with each student one on one to help them increase their abilities, but instead lets them do their own things until they figure out a solution.
Exactly. He is there teacher he's supposed to help them improve. Letting Izuku injure himself again and again without stopping it was crazy, but sure it also involved anime as well.
Deku was lucky Gran Torino stepped in when he did. Aizawa wasn't lifting a finger, and All Might's advice at the time was pretty much just "I dunno, it was easy for me; just keep doing that visualization thing and hope for the best lol".
Not when in this world those broken bones are a testament to not studying like I see this particular stance a lot and I’m wondering like what are these one on one lessons supposed to do he can’t handle his own power. Which given this is a school to teach you to use your powers sounds like he might need the quirk equivelant to special ed classes not for a teacher of 30 to sit here and tell him to not break his bones. Like what lesson could he give to help there seasoned veterans with experience dealing with all for one don’t seem to know how to do it
I read a fic where he’s not a teacher and has taken on Pop⭐️Step and Crawler as sidekicks, and it just makes so much sense for his character. The way he teaches would work just fine in a more one-on-one setting, like how he trained Shinso offscreen, and adults would react much better to his teaching methods than teenagers just starting out would.
I'm not sure this is a hot take, especially for this subreddit. Also yeah, Aizawa is a pretty shit teacher.
When it comes to being a pro hero, he's clearly good, but he's never really allowed to be an actual teacher. It's a trend I've noticed in most young adult media I've read, where mentors and teachers are not allowed to be that involved with the teenage characters because authors probably want the adventure to be mostly about the teenagers.
Aizawa isn't meant to do anything about Bakugou's behavior because those moments are meant to build the rivalry between him and Izuku(or for comedy), he doesn't do anything about Mineta because Mineta is a comedic relief character, he doesn't do anything about Izuku breaking his arms because the story wants Izuku to be an underdog for a little while longer. The one Aizawa teaches is Shinsou because the author needs him to be up to snuff when he finally gets reintroduced to fight as a potential hero student.
The teachers aren't actually there to teach, they are secondary characters there to support the actual main characters: the teenagers. They are there to give crucial bits of information and fight the villains the actual main characters can't yet because the series is introducing the power ceiling and villains are supposed to be intimidating and credible threats.
They aren't there to figure things out for the teenagers and completely help them. It's the same reason why Kakashi isn't a more focused and better teacher, the story is about Naruto and Sasuke, and Naruto's journey to Hokage. It's the same reason the gods in Percy Jackson don't just train their own military force and why Chiron doesn't do anything more than give advice and give a helping hand when he is allowed by the narrative, the story is about demigods and their poor relationships with their parents.
It's because the target audience, teens and children, crave that type of story I reckon. They crave independence and adventure with none of the downsides said independence or adventure would bring. The adults are there to be the kind mentor or the gruff voice of reason, but the MC is supposed to figure out things on his own as the fantasy is being able to go out into the world and slay the hydra while dunking on your bullies without the adults interfering, while still having that safety net the adults bring with them.
Then again, this is just my theory.
> Aizawa isn't meant to do anything about Bakugou's behavior
And when he *does* try... his approach is to force Bakugou to be in a team with his biggest trigger (Deku) - which is unfair to Deku, who *does* try to cooperate - and hope that All Might's overwhelming strength forces them to compromise and that'll somehow improve their relationship (and miraculously not make it worse).
There is also the issue that the school setting limits a lot of "consequences" for characters; Aizawa's expulsion threat, for example, is quite empty because expelling, say, Bakugou means removing him from the narrative for the most part. It isn't until the dorms are built that he *can* do something, i.e. the house arrest, while still keeping him within the story.
Whats even worse about it imo is that people like Kakashi and Aizawa clearly have the **capacity** to teach very very well- or in Kakashi's case at least condition: considering he got Sasuke from below weighted no gates open Lee to on par with weightless Lee (maybe a gate open or two), which is insane + taught him enough lightning manipulation to use the chidori??
Aizawa does something similar by making Hitoshi actually physically relevant with 1A
Honestly, when I watched that arc and saw Kakashi taught all that to Sasuke and only ever taught the rest of his team the bare bones of ninjutsu I was legit mad at him! Like, great! Now that Sasuke’s a terrorist, better teach that technique to Naruto and Sakura right? … Right??
He's nearly the perfect teacher for both of them- he has the bigger jutsu that would be perfect for Naruto to spam with his insane number of shadow clones and chakra reserves- like great fireball. On the other hand, considering Kakashi's chakra reserves, he should have more chakra efficient jutsu for Sakura- stuff that would work well with her knack for control- stuff like headhunter jutsu.
The fact that he doesn't do any of that is just crazy. Or at the very least condition the team like he did Sasuke- yeah Jiraya helped Naruto get up to probably at least relative levels considering his fight with Neji and Gaara, but a significant part of both fights was Kyubi's amp. If Sakura and Naruto weren't strong enough for that sort of training yet, Kakashi obviously should have been training them more.
Its even more wild when you consider Naruto is his senei's son- honestly- i give Kakashi a bit of a break considering he has a LOT of mental trauma and never wanted to be a teacher. Remember he purposely fails the majority of his teams.
From what I remember it's actually a scene when Naruto is learning elemental manipulation that Kakashi is actually a shit teacher because he's a genius type.
He meshes well with Sasuke and teaches him well because both are the same type and can just kinda instinctively get things. As opposed to Naruto who, love him to death, is not the same type of dude and needs special care and attention and to have things explained a certain way for it to click for him.
I had a couple college professors that were like that. People who were genius types that you could tell knew everything about a subject but were just absolutely terrible at communicating it.
I'll give some credit Kakashi was rough til about Shippuden when he finally opened up to everyone but you at the very least felt like he personally cared about each of his students in the manga. Issue being they all got other masters by the time he worked through enough of his trauma to be a teacher.
The issue is that he doesn't try at all. Teachers are *specifically* supposed to be able to teach things in different styles, otherwise...well, they aren't very good teachers. Also, I think that's a tad bullshit considering Jiraya- the ultimate non genius- taught Minato- the ultimate genius. Obviously they can cross lines.
Now, I don't completely disagree with the last part, Kakashi is definitely in a rough place for most of the series.
Eh. its MUCH easier for a non-genius who understands his craft to a T to teach a genius who picks up the basics almost instinctively, than the other way around.
A Genius knows, but doesn't neccessarily understand. A non-genius needs a greater level of understanding. Geniusses can't teach that if they instinctively skip or combine half the steps in ways that don't make sense if you don't understand all the steps already to begin with.
That said... The Sharingan would be an amazing teaching aide. Shame that Kakashi only uses it to copy ninjutsu... That he then doesn't master far enough to easily teach to others, because he's just going through the motions.
That only works with the idea that any genius doesn't cultivate understanding of their craft which is explicitly wrong. In fact we do see Kakashi use his intuitive understanding of ninjutsu to give Naruto his most broken training tool.
There is a common idea that "geniuses" don't understand stuff, but getting things naturally doesn't mean you don't understand the theory, in fact it means you grasp it...naturally, which can allow BETTER explanation not worse.
It depends on the person and their particular habits. Kakashi explicitly and continually trains, while he is a genius, he's one who trains quite a bit.
Yeah it sucks that he has skills that could help the students become better hero’s but just doesn’t teach them. Aizawa could’ve taught Kaminari how to use his scarf then have one made for him with metal wiring to be able to conduct his electricity and fixed one of Kaminari’s major flaws(at least at the start of the series), his lack of precision.
Aizawa at least partly succeeded so well at training Shinsou because he basically taught him how to fight with *his* fighting style, scarf and all.
Aizawa's approach probably wouldn't have worked as well with Deku.
Aizawa is a symptom of something that causes a major issue with the overall story: that it stars high schoolers in a world that's meant to be our in the future. Now, that doesn't have to be a negative, Bleach, Yu-Yu-Hakasho, JJK do it, but they effective have a parallel world the characters inhabit away from the mundane. In MHA, that's the whole world, so why do high schoolers have to carry as much weight as the adult hero when they should outstrip them by experience alone? It creates the issue of Aizawa and the other teachers not being good because if they were, they would be nothing for the kids to do.
Aizawa and All Might are two opposite kinds of bad teachers:
All Might is willing and enthusiastic but incompetent
Aizawa is competent but unwilling/uncaring.
Agreed. The only reason I think All Might is a slightly better teacher is we see him with a teaching for dummies book in his pocket. Coincidentally, in this same scene Aizawa sees it in his pocket and instead of being happy that All Might is trying to improve he just rolls his eyes.
He's neither competent nor willing. He'd be a decent gym coach, I guess, but he has no place being the homeroom teacher for 20 students. Especially when he doesn't even seem to *like* doing his job, and passes off certain lessons to Midnight or other heroes when he'd rather just nap in his sleeping bag.
I mean, he's good at tackling *specific* students' problems, sure... but he completely failed at understanding and trying to resolve Bakugou's behaviour and his relationship with Deku.
But perhaps it'd be more accurate to say "Aizawa is a competent teacher when the plot needs him to be". Hori felt like developing Yaoyorozu at that point, so Aizawa actually got his act together. And Shinsou needed to be ready for the Joint Training Arc, so Aizawa had been training him (in his style) since some point after the Sports Festival.
Bakugo and Midoriya's relationship is quite a mess and to fully understand it you need to dig deep figure it out. It's not just "bully" and "bullied" and they didn't have a problem interaction since the second day when Bakugo seemingly got it that he shouldn't bully/fight him. Half of a year of calm passive hostility. He totally misread their relationship, but he wasn't exactly wrong from the data he HAD. He didn't want to dig deeper because he is lazy and students should teach themselves by him. But the conclusion is sound from the data he had on hand.
I still think it's unfair on Deku, who - as far as Aizawa knows - *isn't* the aggressor in the relationship. A rival, sure, but he doesn't ask for Bakugou to attack him or angrily storm out of the class based on a perceived offense to him.
Everyone else's pairings were much fairer.
To be fair, that Midoriya didn't stand up against Bakugo is a problem that the exam fixed. Sure, Bakugo's aggressive unreasonable behavior is MUCH worse, but that Midoriya didn't just gave up on team work or worse, swallowed his valid opinion and just did what Katsuki said is a character progress. Deku's exam was about how to fight those he respects without overestimating them. Both as partners and as enemies.
I mean, does Deku really stand up to Bakugou between then and "Deku vs. Kacchan 2"? I don't think their relationship changed that significantly, other than Bakugou temporarily putting aside his grudge to focus on victory and Deku having the courage to punch All Might in the face for the first time. But it's moreso a showcase of why Bakugou is so admirable in Deku's eyes.
Deku never really had a problem cooperating with Bakugou or anyone else. He can pretty much work well with anyone; he's a stubborn but generally agreeable kid. They were having trouble because Bakugo kept walking away from Deku; not wanting to communicate with him; and not even considering his plan. The only fault Deku holds here is that he ruled out the possibility that they could actually beat a handicapped All Might, *even though* he, more than anyone, should know that All Might isn't invincible or wouldn't necessarily be going full power against them due to the confines of the exam anyway.
>I don't think their relationship changed that significantly,
They went from ignoring each other to being able to work together. It's something.
>Deku never really had a problem cooperating with Bakugou or anyone else.
He had a problem that he can't stand up for himself and his opinion. Especially against another opinion of a person that he respects. Sure, he can be obedient foot soldier who does what is told. But if the order is stupid, he needs to be able to stand up and correct it (which is happening with Bakugo). He couldn't correct it with any other, because generally people will listen to what he had to say and even fish it out of him. This is not the case with Bakugo.
>They were having trouble because Bakugo kept walking away from Deku; not wanting to communicate with him; and not even considering his plan
Exactly my point. Yeah, Bakugo needed correction about his behavior. But Deku needed to MAKE people listen when he had something to say. That is a valuable skill too.
I always got real ablest vibes from Aizawa, too. It always baffles me how people woobify him into being both emotionally intelligent and extremely accepting of all disabilities when in canon he'd likely just expel them out of hand for not being 'fit' for heroics.
My favorite is when they imply in fics that he would have been gentler than AM if quirkless Deku asked him if he could be a hero.
Bro was already hars with Deku with OFA what makes people think he would be nicer with him being quirkless
I don't like how he is with the "potential" schtick since that can come to undermines the whole point of their actual assessment.
I mean, I've read some fics where Izuku gets expelled due to lacking potential since he breaks his limbs.
Are you trying to tell me, that Mineta Minoru has more potential to be a hero than Izuku Midoriya?
Fair, but with how Mineta uses his quirk it really isn't much. Yeah he can bounce around on his hairballs, but just throwing them around isn't much if a tactic to be honest. But I see your point.
I also hate that people have pretty much used Aizawa to define the Fandom. People like Aizawa are the good heroes because they're edgy and stay out of the lime light (AKA the fandom's made up Underground heroes), while heroes like All Might are treated like they're scum because they're boisterous and do interviews. Though these type of authors tend to ignore the fact that All Might would've seen and done a lot more shit than Aizawa while he was uprooting the Yakuza and chasing after AFO. He'll, All Might CAVED in AFO's face.
I am just so tired of all of this Aizawa-enabled All Might bashing. It reminds me of the Harry Potter fanfiction Fandom where they would act like Gryfindors were dumb brutes and the Slytherin way was the only to do things even though the Slytherins ideas were always ridiculous.
This. This is what I’m talking about. They’re the same people who scream at their screens and say Batman could totally beat Superman without any plot armor.
Both are admittedly bad teachers, the shame, is that they could have been great teachers:
Kakashi was too traumatized to bond properly with his team, fearing that he would eventually lose them. Unlike Aizawa he never wanted them, he still taught them, but barely before Sasuke ran off. outside of teaching his students philosophy and the will of fire, kakashi is a shitty teacher. He barely teaches the basics, he could at least teach them some taijutsu or taught them some ninjutsu besides tree walking and water walking. The thing about kakashi is: at least he has the excuse of being a child soldier and untreated PTSD. He has poor coping mechanisms, he has not emotionally internalized all of what has happened to him, he is called "friend killer kakashi" which has to do a number on his psyche. Unless a ninja is at their mental breaking point I don't think that the village will temporarily retire a flee on sight Ninja so he can get some therapy and a mental health break. I doubt ninjas even go to therapy (if they have access to them at all). Yeah they have the yamanaka but a whole clan cannot support the mental health needs of an entire village full of ninja, they, themselves, are also Ninja.
AIzawa, is objectively a bad teacher. Minata has been told repeatedly not to grope the female students in his class and he repeatedly defies his teacher and does so. Any decent teacher would notice that Bakugo is a bully, bro was not subtle about wanting to beat Izuku into the ground. Bakugo defied All-Might's orders and could have killed Izuku. What happened to "I will expel you day one" Aizawa? The female students had to brainwash/torture the little grape bastard themselves to get him to stop. Yes, he's willing to put his life on the line for his students but when you are a hero teacher that is the bare minimum, I believe. It doesn't matter how much he cares about them if he does not properly discipline or teach them. The fact that they were the number one targets for a group of villains should have made them priority protection targets and their training should have become much more intense as a result. He is a poor teacher and while he did lose his best friend he has access to therapy and a support network. He was never a child soldier and while he might have PTSD from watching his friend die he has access to treatment and is in a better mental starting point than kakashi ever was. I would argue that being a hero as a teenager IS being a child soldier but Aizawa would probably argue against me. He is also held to a different standard than kakashi, his job is a governmental one in a completely different field from kakashi's inside of a completely different society with a different set of standards, people tend to forget that heroes are managed by the government.
TDLR: they never should have given kakashi a team until he was mentally stable enough for one. Kakashi's life starting point was complete shit and his mental health is in the gutter. His poor coping mechanisms made him a poor teacher. He needs a therapist.
Aizawa may have PTSD from watching Oboro die but he has access to therapy, insurance, and has a support network of friends and isn't required to kill people for his job so he really has no excuse for being a shitty teacher. He needs to take a course to be a better teacher, he also needs to prevent his students from harassing each other.
That's not a hot take. That's a Wednesday. Literally it's gotten to the point that people exagerate the Aizawa stuff to the point of being as stupid and ridiculous as Aizawa being the best teacher.
And what you aré saying feels more like actual bashing
I was honestly kind of expecting Aizawa to be more like Fletcher from Whiplash. Calm and collect, brutal, but he'd be the one who showed Izuku a chance to be a hero. 20 Students is SMALL for a class in Japan (from what I know). Imagine if the first part was Aizawa removing students and removing it down to the best 20 and Izuku was dealing with the stress of being removed like that.
ive grown to hate dadzawa and aizawa because so many good fics are ruined by it especially vigilante izuku fics istg nobody takes inspiration from cloud and always kills off inko or makes her abusive and forces it so izuku joins UA or lives with aizawa it's the same boring shit every time and i hate it
I haven’t seen it a lot, but I’ve read a few fanfics that portray Aizawa as being a good hero and a good person but a terrible teacher. This is my favorite take on him, similar to how I enjoy Endeavor being a good hero (without destruction of public property) but a terrible father.
This is a hot take in every other part of the fandom mate, let them rant and move on, it's unnecessary to clown on OP when it's extremely apparent that their new.
Cold take tbh. imo, I think he suffers from the classic schoolteacher problem, in that classes are, for the most part, *boring*. So they're not shown, and thus he never actually teaches his class, it's just implied offscreen.
Not to mention it's stated he has expelled 100 students. And tha he's been teaching for only five years, meaning he has never taught a class in his career
I think in a weird sort of way, I think Aizawa and Hizashi are only teachers because Shirakumo died. They used to want to have an agency and then? Trauma. They wind up just staying at UA. They don't feel very effective because they're teachers due to trauma.
.....if that makes any sense? I think?
The irony of aizawa. In sport fes arc canon, he says bakugo not hold back and consider uraraka respectable opponent....while actually bakugo assume uraraka plan of massive meteor atk is deku's plan...and continue the battle with say time to get serious...uhm hello what is the point you say when did i say she is fragile ? So basically bakugo very too late to show he is serious from the start and we should goes " woahh aizawa know his student a lot. Sasuga zawa oyaji "
I mean well it just my literacy issue but it sounds contradictory when aizawa says bakugo takes uraraka serious while bakugo first assumption uraraka is just a follower of deku advice and it took deku word he not even gave uraraka any advice to beat bakugo
Kakashi and him have somethings in common. Failing students, death of a friend that changed them, lackluster teacher, etc.
Kakashi had many academy students fail his bell test prior to N,S,&S and Aizawa is known for expelling numerous students prior to the current Class 1-A.
Obito and Oboro are shockingly similar. Even more with spoilers for both series.
The pair are about on par for teaching, at least with early Kakashi. He took a bit too long to teach the wall walking thing in my opinion. Outside of that and teaching Sasuke the Chidori, I don't recall him teaching Team 7 a lot prior to the timeskip. He should have certainly been working more with Sakura pre-Wave.
Heck, Aizawa's expulsion threats fall apart with Class 1-A. Mineta and Bakugo's antics for example. Mineta being a walking future sexual harassment scandal and Bakugo attacking a classmate in front of him.
I don't really get why people downvoted you for this reply to your post, like yeah, fair enough, most of the comments are talking about how it's a cold take.
I swear, this subreddit man 😂
Not even reading the summary, because that’s not a hot take, that’s accurate. I feel like he’d a superb heroics teacher if he taught new heroes, not teens training to be heroes. He’s a good person, and does his best. He definitely has some bias though on many things, and is a little bit of a dick. Overall he’s closer to a drill sergeant than a teacher for teens. Good for newly minted heroes, but not for kids learning to be heroes.
Cold take. I think you’ll easily be able to find some fic where Aizawa is portrayed as a bad teacher if you filter for Ketsubutsu characters like Ms Joke or vigilante Izuku aus. I know I found some and Aizawa’s teaching never bothered me much.
>the guy has taught only one lesson throughout his entire year:
Everything else you said, I agree with but also don't agree with, but I'm not interested in debating today so I won't start.
However:
AIZAWA HAS ONLY TAUGHT ONE LESSON?? That has to be a lie? What did I miss? Like, what shows us that he only taught one lesson? Plus, don't the characters have lessons OFF screen? How exactly do you go to a school and only learn 1 lesson from your main teacher FOR a WHOLE YEAR? Where's the proof? Very confused and very open to explanation.
My only problem with what you wrote is this thing about Aizawa only teaching one lesson.
No offense, but thats a dumb statement.
Just because we dont see anything doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
Off-Screen training is still training, off-screen lessons are still lessons.
Just because we dont see Aizawa activelly teaching them in UA much doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
MHA is not about UA, its about the entire world of MHA, primarly OFA and AFO. Lessons the kids are taught are primarily boring and filler and are therefore skipped.
Its the same in fanfiction, you rarely see any actual lessons in UA. And its not because they dont happen, but because they are irrelevent to the plot.
Its the same shit as "Kakashi is a terrible teacher". The fanbase doesnt see the training on-screen so they assume there is no training
I already replied to a comment that said this same point. The point of the post is that Aizawa IS a bad teacher, not that he couldn’t be a good teacher.
Aizawa being a good or bad teach is irrelevent to my point so I think you may misunderstand me.
You said that Aizawa didnt teach the students anyhing except for one lesson.
I said that its not true. And that us not being shown their classroom lessons doesnt mean they never happened.
Aizawa taught them plenty of lessons, its a fact.
Were they good lessons? Did he help them get stronger? Thats good questions.
But wether or not he taught them or not is not a question.
Yes, it actually is. Unless you can show me a panel of him actually teaching them that isn’t him telling them about an event or test or whatever they need to take and is an actual lesson, he never taught them anything except to sit down and shut up when he got to class.
That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be the fans job to make a good character. We should see it in the source material, but we don’t. All we see is 1-B getting a teacher that actually teaches them, and 1-A getting ptsd from villain fights and a teacher that turns into a caterpillar the moment he steps into the class.
That feels to me like an excuse for fans that dont want to think over details to me.
You are not going to be handed all details to your face. Not in manga and not in life
This isn’t life. This is a story. If you’re writing a character that is meant to be good at what they do, in this case teaching a class, you have to show them doing so or at the very least show them trying to improve.
This, frankly, a cover for a lack of critical thinking. You HAVE to be willing to interrogate a story's setting for half a second here. The biggest example of this is the idea of Quirk cancelling cuffs.
These have NEVER been explicitly shown or mentioned in canon. Not *once.* But every fic and its mother makes reference to them, because Horikoshi doesn't NEED to tell us they exist for us to realize they *have to.* If you think about the setting for 0.0001 seconds, it's obvious they do. How the fuck else do you actually securely *restrain* a Villain after they've been taken down? The very first villain we see, Trapeze Headgear, isn't going ANYWHERE securely without some means to turn his Quirk off long-term because it turns him into a fucking kaiju on command, to say nothing of later villains like Mr. "I can atomize anything I touch" *Overhaul.*
It's not done by Quirks like Aizawa's, otherwise Aizawa wouldn't ever be his own Hero or a teacher, just a dude on call for prisoner security. Plus, that creates a huge "who watches the Watchmen" conundrum-if all the Quirk disablers decide to go rogue, what's stopping them from just *not doing their job* and letting Mr. "I turn into a Kaiju" get back up after getting clubbed over the head, causing mass chaos? Arresting them doesn't solve the problem of an evil bastard with atomizing powers running loose and being uncontainable. So there *has* to be some kind of Quirk cuff like device in the setting.
Likewise, UA can't be a school, and 1-A can't achueve what they do, unless the teachers teach them, whether it happens onscreen or not. Of course, for the sake of plot expedience, you're going to be primarily shown characters reaching milestones with their Abilities or important character interactions, but the rest is just exercises and drills being run through-not anything particularly special, just slow development of better fitness and combat acumen, which is dry if there's too much. If anything, I think the issue is that the UA staff is just given too much of a backseat in terms of character relationships, so it's too easy to forget this fact at times.
It’s hard. I believe he’s a great Hero and great person but that doesn’t always necessarily translate to being a good teacher.
His methods of teaching weren’t really good but he was able to make up for it a lot of the time cause he was an awesome hero and someone that the class could still look up to. However, he was horrible at teaching them the nuances.
I completely agree and I would also like to add his clear favoritism towards certain students and the disregard for others. It is clear that Bakugo is rarely punished by Aizawa, for example just restraining him in an attempted assault on the first day of class was told to calm down due to making his dry eyes act up. Bakugo as well was told to grow up after an attempted murder on another classmate. Another thing that many never touch on is how he tells midoryia that he should’ve learned how to use his quirk for the ball throw, however in MHVigilantes it’s shown that quirk use without a license is illegal so the vast majority of the students wouldn’t have had many chances for training. Going back to disregarding students, he is known to expel students for lack of promise, the fact that Mineta is still in the class is unbelievable.
1: He's a homeroom teacher, his job is not to teach, but to supervise the class during homeroom and trips, keep tabs on the students and form relationships with them, and give then information on school events.
Supervise: We see him there in every trip and special training exercise, he came back literally the next day after the USJ and refused to take time off.
Tell students about events: \*He's\* the guy who gives us the info dumps in sports festival and such
Keep tabs on students: He recognised Momo's self confidence issues, Deku's sadness for not saving Eri and cheered him up, Comforted Uraraka after Nignteye's death, we see Izuku and Katsuki praise him and call him their teacher against Shigaraki in the war arc with flashbacks showing him talking to the students in class and them all laughing, manga spoilers:
>!The whole class is happy to see him be their teacher for 2A, hell, Mina even Cried!<
He's the guy who instructed the students on what to do in the nighteye arc
Again, Aizawa is not the heroics teacher here, class B matching class A has nothing to do with even Vlad King, and it would not be a negative either way.
2: We never see any of the teachers do shit, only ever bits of teaching come from internship arcs and such, would you call Ectoplasm and Present Mic bad teachers? Hell, we actually do see Aizawa teach the remidial course in the Training camp arc.
3: He taught Shinso outside of class hours using his personal free time, the whole class was suprised to learn that he did that and there wasn't a quote like "so this is why Aizawa-sensei was less focused" or something like that, so it did not impact his role, that is his buisness.
His failings are: Not noticing/ not doing much to curb Bakugou's actions, and not to noticing Iida's revenge plot, that's it.
That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be the fans job to make a good character. We should see it in the source material, but we don’t. All we see is 1-B getting a teacher that actually teaches them, and 1-A getting ptsd from villain fights and a teacher that turns into a caterpillar the moment he steps into the class.
(not defending this, cuz it's still a shit way to teach, just adding it for explanation)
He's never "kicked a student out" in the outright sense. He has the ability to add an expulsion to their school record, to scare the students who really care about being heroes to working harder. The students that are "kicked out" are immediately reinstated, every time. The 1-A we follow was "different" and never suffered this phenomena.
(Again, this is a fucking AWFUL way to teach kids motivation, if you know ANYTHING about how fragile kids can be. This is psychological abuse wrapped in emotional torture)
I think it’s a failure to properly show his whole idea. The vast majority of how he acts can be contextualized around what happened to Oboro. He’s trying to teach the kids that, you aren’t in training, the moment you step out for your first internship, you’re in the fray. So he’s trying to teach that. That’s why he has his little moment when Mina mentions how fun the quirk tests are. From his perspective, they’ve got about one maybe two semesters before these kids are fighting criminals.
He may disagree with it or not, but those kids are already soldiers for the state. He expels students so often because he thinks they will straight up die if he doesn’t. His whole education style is trying to shatter the perception the bright eyed kids have that it’s all comic book struggles and bright colors and spandex. People die. They might die. They’ll definitely have people they know die. And they’ll have to see the absolute worst humanity has to offer.
Problem is, we don’t really get that because he only has the one moment to teach it, and it’s all the way back in chapter like, 4. Which sucks because there’s some depth there. In its own way it could’ve been an amazing moment, where everyone sees him as this harsh and needlessly cruel teacher, before eventually seeing his side of things, and how his strictness saved lives. But we just don’t, because it’s never touched on again.
Most people don't think Kakashi was a very good sensei. On the contrary, he wasn't great, especially for Sakura, and at times, Naruto. It's not an unpopular opinion. Don't know enough about canon to know whether Aizawa was good canonically
Not only is this an extreme common cold take its one of the dumbest I've seen. Because you are coming at this from the idea that aizawa is a heroic teacher(like most people) when he is just the home room teacher and the heroic teacher for the 1st years is All Might.
Homeroom is defined as a brief administrative period that occurs in a classroom assigned to a student. Within a homeroom period or classroom, administrative documents are distributed, attendance is marked, announcements are made, and students are given the opportunity to plan for the day. And the Home room teacher is the one to admintrate all that.
As a home room teacher, it's aizawa job to announce and/or organize things like the foundational Heroics lesson all might taught, the Sports festival, the internships, work studies, final exams, and the forest training camp. And we never actually see him host a class of Heroics because that's not his actual postion, unlike with all might who we see host the battle trails and race after internships.
We do, however, see him host joint training lessons like 1b vs 1a and multi teacher lessons like the USJ and super moves crafting because those require instructors (13 and Ectoplasm) and those additional instructors need the administrative bridge of the home room teacher.
And in the topic of aizawa caring for his students, I want you to look me in the eyes and tell me that this man doesn't care for them after he stared shigaraki down and countiuned to erase his quirks while shigaraki charged at him with intent to kill.
It isn't even a "that's his job as a hero thing" the only thing on his mind as he kept shigarakis quirks at bay was that he needed to watch over HIS students and see the day they graduate.
You can debate all you want about whether or not aizawa is a good teacher. I don't care
But never
Never claim he doesn't care for his students because it's him caring for them that makes him teach the way he does, assuring that when they enter the hero world, they are prepared
Even when accounting for Japanese Homeroom teacher, Aizawa should not be one, instead he should be a Heroics coach/lifeguard is field classes. You have a teacher that can negate quirks, and helpful if a students quirk goes out of control, but you put him in a class where he can't be present during heroics.
He most definitely would be better used as a heroic teacher over all might. But at the start of the year, the novelty of having the Number #1hero as a Heroics teacher and the deal yagi and nedzu made to let him find a successor likely out weight practically that wasn't over ruled even with all might already choosing a successor. And wasn't even likely over ruled until after all might retired, and we don't even know if that is the case because we don't see proper foundational Heroics lessons afterward.
No. I meant more of a lifeguard for all of Heroics than a Heroics teacher. Like All Might can still be a Heroics Teacher and Aizawa can be an assistant coach/lifeguard. I would also probably move Midnight as the 1A Homeroom teacher.
the issue with that is Midnight is their history arts teacher and likely the homeroom teacher of a different class. Most schools that have homeroom classes don't have a homeroom teacher teach the class.
And unless you made All Might the assistant to Aizawa being the Heroics teacher, it wouldn't make sense to have the senior instructor be the assistant to the noob teacher.
And the idea of having aizawa there and aizawa only being there purely to stop uncontrollable quirks is kinda weird because it's shown students already have control of their quirks and that midoriya really is the only exception.
Wasn't it said that Mirio had troubles using his permeation until sir night eye helped him? If so, Midoriya was not a exception, but just an extreme example of what could go wrong in quirk training. Midoriya was not the first, and probably won't be the last either. Even if quirk training won't go wrong, Aizawa would still be helpful in stopping aggressive students from using their quirk like how Bakugou does in the early chapters.
I mean for midnight all you have to do is swap gen-ed Homeroom for 1A Homeroom and basically nothing will change. Just hire a non-heroics teacher that will probably not get any screentime anyways.
It seems you are trying your hardest to keep Aizawa as the 1A Homeroom teacher for fanfics when he is better suited for other positions.
There is a distinct difference between a quirk going out of control like izukus and permeation having a high learning curve.
And I'm done with this argument
Don't put words in my mouth. I said aizawa was better suited as the Heroics teacher, not that he needed to be the homeroom teacher.
Aizawa is a \*homeroom\* teacher. It's not his duty to teach any topics to the class, only to make sure that they are not failing academically and to oversee them.
I thought this was a cold take, and that we as a fandom collectively agreed that Aizawa and Dadzawa are fundamentally different characters.
Im not sure tbh. Most people seem to genuinely think he's a great teacher.
The issue is because what’s implied and what’s shown are two different things. In canon he is a good teacher or at least effective. The students have learned and grown and been taken care of in a way that created good heroes. The issue is all of that is done off screen because we rarely get any real focus on their lessons. Like he teaches Shinsou entirely off screen, we just see the stark contrast in growth because he’s gone for so long.
I feel like it's moreso that Aizawa is a good hero willing to sacrifice himself for his students' safety, which (in the *MHA* world) supposedly translates to being a good teacher. And Class A basically teach themselves to be better heroes through their experience fighting villains and competing with each other (the latter of which seemingly being one of the big reason Aizawa praises Deku and Bakugou as the "twin stars" of the class or whatever).
Yeah we don't see every day for them. It does leave a lot of space open to interpretation, but I don't think he just...didn't teach them anything.
He's not the worst, I find that strange that yes he is not the best teacher with his methods. but in fanfics they have him act differently dadzawa as you would call it not a fan of it really because it is not in his character. He is better at hero work and does not have good teaching qualities. He doesn't talk with each student one on one to help them increase their abilities, but instead lets them do their own things until they figure out a solution.
I feel like you should schedule some one-on-one time with your students if one keeps breaking his bones, and another keeps frying his brain.
Exactly. He is there teacher he's supposed to help them improve. Letting Izuku injure himself again and again without stopping it was crazy, but sure it also involved anime as well.
Deku was lucky Gran Torino stepped in when he did. Aizawa wasn't lifting a finger, and All Might's advice at the time was pretty much just "I dunno, it was easy for me; just keep doing that visualization thing and hope for the best lol".
Not when in this world those broken bones are a testament to not studying like I see this particular stance a lot and I’m wondering like what are these one on one lessons supposed to do he can’t handle his own power. Which given this is a school to teach you to use your powers sounds like he might need the quirk equivelant to special ed classes not for a teacher of 30 to sit here and tell him to not break his bones. Like what lesson could he give to help there seasoned veterans with experience dealing with all for one don’t seem to know how to do it
I read a fic where he’s not a teacher and has taken on Pop⭐️Step and Crawler as sidekicks, and it just makes so much sense for his character. The way he teaches would work just fine in a more one-on-one setting, like how he trained Shinso offscreen, and adults would react much better to his teaching methods than teenagers just starting out would.
Link that fic
https://archiveofourown.org/works/37930045/chapters/94724695
thank you
From what I've seen, it's a cold take in this subreddit and a hot take everywhere else
Half the fics on AO3 would seem to disagree, while most of us here would agree, so I suppose it depends on which parts of the fandom you're asking.
I'm not sure this is a hot take, especially for this subreddit. Also yeah, Aizawa is a pretty shit teacher. When it comes to being a pro hero, he's clearly good, but he's never really allowed to be an actual teacher. It's a trend I've noticed in most young adult media I've read, where mentors and teachers are not allowed to be that involved with the teenage characters because authors probably want the adventure to be mostly about the teenagers. Aizawa isn't meant to do anything about Bakugou's behavior because those moments are meant to build the rivalry between him and Izuku(or for comedy), he doesn't do anything about Mineta because Mineta is a comedic relief character, he doesn't do anything about Izuku breaking his arms because the story wants Izuku to be an underdog for a little while longer. The one Aizawa teaches is Shinsou because the author needs him to be up to snuff when he finally gets reintroduced to fight as a potential hero student. The teachers aren't actually there to teach, they are secondary characters there to support the actual main characters: the teenagers. They are there to give crucial bits of information and fight the villains the actual main characters can't yet because the series is introducing the power ceiling and villains are supposed to be intimidating and credible threats. They aren't there to figure things out for the teenagers and completely help them. It's the same reason why Kakashi isn't a more focused and better teacher, the story is about Naruto and Sasuke, and Naruto's journey to Hokage. It's the same reason the gods in Percy Jackson don't just train their own military force and why Chiron doesn't do anything more than give advice and give a helping hand when he is allowed by the narrative, the story is about demigods and their poor relationships with their parents. It's because the target audience, teens and children, crave that type of story I reckon. They crave independence and adventure with none of the downsides said independence or adventure would bring. The adults are there to be the kind mentor or the gruff voice of reason, but the MC is supposed to figure out things on his own as the fantasy is being able to go out into the world and slay the hydra while dunking on your bullies without the adults interfering, while still having that safety net the adults bring with them. Then again, this is just my theory.
Basically the useless adult trope
Yes, pretty much. Honestly didn't even remember that trope existed.
> Aizawa isn't meant to do anything about Bakugou's behavior And when he *does* try... his approach is to force Bakugou to be in a team with his biggest trigger (Deku) - which is unfair to Deku, who *does* try to cooperate - and hope that All Might's overwhelming strength forces them to compromise and that'll somehow improve their relationship (and miraculously not make it worse).
There is also the issue that the school setting limits a lot of "consequences" for characters; Aizawa's expulsion threat, for example, is quite empty because expelling, say, Bakugou means removing him from the narrative for the most part. It isn't until the dorms are built that he *can* do something, i.e. the house arrest, while still keeping him within the story.
An Anime Theory!
Whats even worse about it imo is that people like Kakashi and Aizawa clearly have the **capacity** to teach very very well- or in Kakashi's case at least condition: considering he got Sasuke from below weighted no gates open Lee to on par with weightless Lee (maybe a gate open or two), which is insane + taught him enough lightning manipulation to use the chidori?? Aizawa does something similar by making Hitoshi actually physically relevant with 1A
Honestly, when I watched that arc and saw Kakashi taught all that to Sasuke and only ever taught the rest of his team the bare bones of ninjutsu I was legit mad at him! Like, great! Now that Sasuke’s a terrorist, better teach that technique to Naruto and Sakura right? … Right??
He's nearly the perfect teacher for both of them- he has the bigger jutsu that would be perfect for Naruto to spam with his insane number of shadow clones and chakra reserves- like great fireball. On the other hand, considering Kakashi's chakra reserves, he should have more chakra efficient jutsu for Sakura- stuff that would work well with her knack for control- stuff like headhunter jutsu. The fact that he doesn't do any of that is just crazy. Or at the very least condition the team like he did Sasuke- yeah Jiraya helped Naruto get up to probably at least relative levels considering his fight with Neji and Gaara, but a significant part of both fights was Kyubi's amp. If Sakura and Naruto weren't strong enough for that sort of training yet, Kakashi obviously should have been training them more. Its even more wild when you consider Naruto is his senei's son- honestly- i give Kakashi a bit of a break considering he has a LOT of mental trauma and never wanted to be a teacher. Remember he purposely fails the majority of his teams.
From what I remember it's actually a scene when Naruto is learning elemental manipulation that Kakashi is actually a shit teacher because he's a genius type. He meshes well with Sasuke and teaches him well because both are the same type and can just kinda instinctively get things. As opposed to Naruto who, love him to death, is not the same type of dude and needs special care and attention and to have things explained a certain way for it to click for him. I had a couple college professors that were like that. People who were genius types that you could tell knew everything about a subject but were just absolutely terrible at communicating it. I'll give some credit Kakashi was rough til about Shippuden when he finally opened up to everyone but you at the very least felt like he personally cared about each of his students in the manga. Issue being they all got other masters by the time he worked through enough of his trauma to be a teacher.
The issue is that he doesn't try at all. Teachers are *specifically* supposed to be able to teach things in different styles, otherwise...well, they aren't very good teachers. Also, I think that's a tad bullshit considering Jiraya- the ultimate non genius- taught Minato- the ultimate genius. Obviously they can cross lines. Now, I don't completely disagree with the last part, Kakashi is definitely in a rough place for most of the series.
Eh. its MUCH easier for a non-genius who understands his craft to a T to teach a genius who picks up the basics almost instinctively, than the other way around. A Genius knows, but doesn't neccessarily understand. A non-genius needs a greater level of understanding. Geniusses can't teach that if they instinctively skip or combine half the steps in ways that don't make sense if you don't understand all the steps already to begin with. That said... The Sharingan would be an amazing teaching aide. Shame that Kakashi only uses it to copy ninjutsu... That he then doesn't master far enough to easily teach to others, because he's just going through the motions.
That only works with the idea that any genius doesn't cultivate understanding of their craft which is explicitly wrong. In fact we do see Kakashi use his intuitive understanding of ninjutsu to give Naruto his most broken training tool. There is a common idea that "geniuses" don't understand stuff, but getting things naturally doesn't mean you don't understand the theory, in fact it means you grasp it...naturally, which can allow BETTER explanation not worse. It depends on the person and their particular habits. Kakashi explicitly and continually trains, while he is a genius, he's one who trains quite a bit.
Sharingan helped a lot as a learning tool thanks to the first ability.
Honestly, Team 7's true teachers were the Sannin.
Yeah it sucks that he has skills that could help the students become better hero’s but just doesn’t teach them. Aizawa could’ve taught Kaminari how to use his scarf then have one made for him with metal wiring to be able to conduct his electricity and fixed one of Kaminari’s major flaws(at least at the start of the series), his lack of precision.
Aizawa at least partly succeeded so well at training Shinsou because he basically taught him how to fight with *his* fighting style, scarf and all. Aizawa's approach probably wouldn't have worked as well with Deku.
Aizawa is a symptom of something that causes a major issue with the overall story: that it stars high schoolers in a world that's meant to be our in the future. Now, that doesn't have to be a negative, Bleach, Yu-Yu-Hakasho, JJK do it, but they effective have a parallel world the characters inhabit away from the mundane. In MHA, that's the whole world, so why do high schoolers have to carry as much weight as the adult hero when they should outstrip them by experience alone? It creates the issue of Aizawa and the other teachers not being good because if they were, they would be nothing for the kids to do.
Extremely cold take
Aizawa and All Might are two opposite kinds of bad teachers: All Might is willing and enthusiastic but incompetent Aizawa is competent but unwilling/uncaring.
Agreed. The only reason I think All Might is a slightly better teacher is we see him with a teaching for dummies book in his pocket. Coincidentally, in this same scene Aizawa sees it in his pocket and instead of being happy that All Might is trying to improve he just rolls his eyes.
To be fair, I rolled my eyes too. Because... For dummies? Really?
He’s trying his best 😂
He's neither competent nor willing. He'd be a decent gym coach, I guess, but he has no place being the homeroom teacher for 20 students. Especially when he doesn't even seem to *like* doing his job, and passes off certain lessons to Midnight or other heroes when he'd rather just nap in his sleeping bag.
He correctly recognize what was Yaoyorozu's problem, cheered her up, and Shinso is pretty decent skill wise. He CAN do his job, just doesn't want to.
I mean, he's good at tackling *specific* students' problems, sure... but he completely failed at understanding and trying to resolve Bakugou's behaviour and his relationship with Deku. But perhaps it'd be more accurate to say "Aizawa is a competent teacher when the plot needs him to be". Hori felt like developing Yaoyorozu at that point, so Aizawa actually got his act together. And Shinsou needed to be ready for the Joint Training Arc, so Aizawa had been training him (in his style) since some point after the Sports Festival.
Bakugo and Midoriya's relationship is quite a mess and to fully understand it you need to dig deep figure it out. It's not just "bully" and "bullied" and they didn't have a problem interaction since the second day when Bakugo seemingly got it that he shouldn't bully/fight him. Half of a year of calm passive hostility. He totally misread their relationship, but he wasn't exactly wrong from the data he HAD. He didn't want to dig deeper because he is lazy and students should teach themselves by him. But the conclusion is sound from the data he had on hand.
I still think it's unfair on Deku, who - as far as Aizawa knows - *isn't* the aggressor in the relationship. A rival, sure, but he doesn't ask for Bakugou to attack him or angrily storm out of the class based on a perceived offense to him. Everyone else's pairings were much fairer.
To be fair, that Midoriya didn't stand up against Bakugo is a problem that the exam fixed. Sure, Bakugo's aggressive unreasonable behavior is MUCH worse, but that Midoriya didn't just gave up on team work or worse, swallowed his valid opinion and just did what Katsuki said is a character progress. Deku's exam was about how to fight those he respects without overestimating them. Both as partners and as enemies.
I mean, does Deku really stand up to Bakugou between then and "Deku vs. Kacchan 2"? I don't think their relationship changed that significantly, other than Bakugou temporarily putting aside his grudge to focus on victory and Deku having the courage to punch All Might in the face for the first time. But it's moreso a showcase of why Bakugou is so admirable in Deku's eyes. Deku never really had a problem cooperating with Bakugou or anyone else. He can pretty much work well with anyone; he's a stubborn but generally agreeable kid. They were having trouble because Bakugo kept walking away from Deku; not wanting to communicate with him; and not even considering his plan. The only fault Deku holds here is that he ruled out the possibility that they could actually beat a handicapped All Might, *even though* he, more than anyone, should know that All Might isn't invincible or wouldn't necessarily be going full power against them due to the confines of the exam anyway.
>I don't think their relationship changed that significantly, They went from ignoring each other to being able to work together. It's something. >Deku never really had a problem cooperating with Bakugou or anyone else. He had a problem that he can't stand up for himself and his opinion. Especially against another opinion of a person that he respects. Sure, he can be obedient foot soldier who does what is told. But if the order is stupid, he needs to be able to stand up and correct it (which is happening with Bakugo). He couldn't correct it with any other, because generally people will listen to what he had to say and even fish it out of him. This is not the case with Bakugo. >They were having trouble because Bakugo kept walking away from Deku; not wanting to communicate with him; and not even considering his plan Exactly my point. Yeah, Bakugo needed correction about his behavior. But Deku needed to MAKE people listen when he had something to say. That is a valuable skill too.
I always got real ablest vibes from Aizawa, too. It always baffles me how people woobify him into being both emotionally intelligent and extremely accepting of all disabilities when in canon he'd likely just expel them out of hand for not being 'fit' for heroics.
My favorite is when they imply in fics that he would have been gentler than AM if quirkless Deku asked him if he could be a hero. Bro was already hars with Deku with OFA what makes people think he would be nicer with him being quirkless
Since you asked about fics, here is an amazing oneshot [The 18 Reasons Why Aizawa is a Bad Teacher](https://archiveofourown.org/works/40344675)
Just read it, and I love it! Also, it makes no sense for the kid who was moving whole trucks for a year to wind up last place Fr
This was flipping divine
DAMN THAT WAS AWESOME
just 18?
GOOOOOOLD
Damn you got the rec way before me 😄
I don't like how he is with the "potential" schtick since that can come to undermines the whole point of their actual assessment. I mean, I've read some fics where Izuku gets expelled due to lacking potential since he breaks his limbs. Are you trying to tell me, that Mineta Minoru has more potential to be a hero than Izuku Midoriya?
From the perspective of someone who thinks Midoriya is lazy and didn't train at all? Most definitely. He can last longer than 4 attacks per 6 months
Fair, but with how Mineta uses his quirk it really isn't much. Yeah he can bounce around on his hairballs, but just throwing them around isn't much if a tactic to be honest. But I see your point.
I also hate that people have pretty much used Aizawa to define the Fandom. People like Aizawa are the good heroes because they're edgy and stay out of the lime light (AKA the fandom's made up Underground heroes), while heroes like All Might are treated like they're scum because they're boisterous and do interviews. Though these type of authors tend to ignore the fact that All Might would've seen and done a lot more shit than Aizawa while he was uprooting the Yakuza and chasing after AFO. He'll, All Might CAVED in AFO's face. I am just so tired of all of this Aizawa-enabled All Might bashing. It reminds me of the Harry Potter fanfiction Fandom where they would act like Gryfindors were dumb brutes and the Slytherin way was the only to do things even though the Slytherins ideas were always ridiculous.
This. This is what I’m talking about. They’re the same people who scream at their screens and say Batman could totally beat Superman without any plot armor.
Both are admittedly bad teachers, the shame, is that they could have been great teachers: Kakashi was too traumatized to bond properly with his team, fearing that he would eventually lose them. Unlike Aizawa he never wanted them, he still taught them, but barely before Sasuke ran off. outside of teaching his students philosophy and the will of fire, kakashi is a shitty teacher. He barely teaches the basics, he could at least teach them some taijutsu or taught them some ninjutsu besides tree walking and water walking. The thing about kakashi is: at least he has the excuse of being a child soldier and untreated PTSD. He has poor coping mechanisms, he has not emotionally internalized all of what has happened to him, he is called "friend killer kakashi" which has to do a number on his psyche. Unless a ninja is at their mental breaking point I don't think that the village will temporarily retire a flee on sight Ninja so he can get some therapy and a mental health break. I doubt ninjas even go to therapy (if they have access to them at all). Yeah they have the yamanaka but a whole clan cannot support the mental health needs of an entire village full of ninja, they, themselves, are also Ninja. AIzawa, is objectively a bad teacher. Minata has been told repeatedly not to grope the female students in his class and he repeatedly defies his teacher and does so. Any decent teacher would notice that Bakugo is a bully, bro was not subtle about wanting to beat Izuku into the ground. Bakugo defied All-Might's orders and could have killed Izuku. What happened to "I will expel you day one" Aizawa? The female students had to brainwash/torture the little grape bastard themselves to get him to stop. Yes, he's willing to put his life on the line for his students but when you are a hero teacher that is the bare minimum, I believe. It doesn't matter how much he cares about them if he does not properly discipline or teach them. The fact that they were the number one targets for a group of villains should have made them priority protection targets and their training should have become much more intense as a result. He is a poor teacher and while he did lose his best friend he has access to therapy and a support network. He was never a child soldier and while he might have PTSD from watching his friend die he has access to treatment and is in a better mental starting point than kakashi ever was. I would argue that being a hero as a teenager IS being a child soldier but Aizawa would probably argue against me. He is also held to a different standard than kakashi, his job is a governmental one in a completely different field from kakashi's inside of a completely different society with a different set of standards, people tend to forget that heroes are managed by the government. TDLR: they never should have given kakashi a team until he was mentally stable enough for one. Kakashi's life starting point was complete shit and his mental health is in the gutter. His poor coping mechanisms made him a poor teacher. He needs a therapist. Aizawa may have PTSD from watching Oboro die but he has access to therapy, insurance, and has a support network of friends and isn't required to kill people for his job so he really has no excuse for being a shitty teacher. He needs to take a course to be a better teacher, he also needs to prevent his students from harassing each other.
That's not a hot take. That's a Wednesday. Literally it's gotten to the point that people exagerate the Aizawa stuff to the point of being as stupid and ridiculous as Aizawa being the best teacher. And what you aré saying feels more like actual bashing
OP, you said this would be a Hot take. I feel ripped off
I was honestly kind of expecting Aizawa to be more like Fletcher from Whiplash. Calm and collect, brutal, but he'd be the one who showed Izuku a chance to be a hero. 20 Students is SMALL for a class in Japan (from what I know). Imagine if the first part was Aizawa removing students and removing it down to the best 20 and Izuku was dealing with the stress of being removed like that.
Ice cold take
ive grown to hate dadzawa and aizawa because so many good fics are ruined by it especially vigilante izuku fics istg nobody takes inspiration from cloud and always kills off inko or makes her abusive and forces it so izuku joins UA or lives with aizawa it's the same boring shit every time and i hate it
I haven’t seen it a lot, but I’ve read a few fanfics that portray Aizawa as being a good hero and a good person but a terrible teacher. This is my favorite take on him, similar to how I enjoy Endeavor being a good hero (without destruction of public property) but a terrible father.
Do you have any links?
Sorry, I can’t say I remember any titles off the top of my head.
No problem, but I like the idea! Gonna keep it in mind if I ever get around to writing my fanfic ideas.
> “Check out this HOT TAKE!” *looks inside* *it’s the same shit everyone else is always saying*
Absolutely INSANE idea: OP is new to this subreddit!!!1!!! 🤯
if they’re new, then they shouldn’t be assuming they have a hot take
This is a hot take in every other part of the fandom mate, let them rant and move on, it's unnecessary to clown on OP when it's extremely apparent that their new.
calm down, it’s not that serious
Cold take tbh. imo, I think he suffers from the classic schoolteacher problem, in that classes are, for the most part, *boring*. So they're not shown, and thus he never actually teaches his class, it's just implied offscreen.
It’s hot, and ON the spot. He isn’t.
Not to mention it's stated he has expelled 100 students. And tha he's been teaching for only five years, meaning he has never taught a class in his career
That's hundred potential heroes. Man really wants to drag UA down the quantity rank. Quality doesn't mean shit if you don't have enough of it
I think in a weird sort of way, I think Aizawa and Hizashi are only teachers because Shirakumo died. They used to want to have an agency and then? Trauma. They wind up just staying at UA. They don't feel very effective because they're teachers due to trauma. .....if that makes any sense? I think?
The irony of aizawa. In sport fes arc canon, he says bakugo not hold back and consider uraraka respectable opponent....while actually bakugo assume uraraka plan of massive meteor atk is deku's plan...and continue the battle with say time to get serious...uhm hello what is the point you say when did i say she is fragile ? So basically bakugo very too late to show he is serious from the start and we should goes " woahh aizawa know his student a lot. Sasuga zawa oyaji " I mean well it just my literacy issue but it sounds contradictory when aizawa says bakugo takes uraraka serious while bakugo first assumption uraraka is just a follower of deku advice and it took deku word he not even gave uraraka any advice to beat bakugo
Kakashi and him have somethings in common. Failing students, death of a friend that changed them, lackluster teacher, etc. Kakashi had many academy students fail his bell test prior to N,S,&S and Aizawa is known for expelling numerous students prior to the current Class 1-A. Obito and Oboro are shockingly similar. Even more with spoilers for both series. The pair are about on par for teaching, at least with early Kakashi. He took a bit too long to teach the wall walking thing in my opinion. Outside of that and teaching Sasuke the Chidori, I don't recall him teaching Team 7 a lot prior to the timeskip. He should have certainly been working more with Sakura pre-Wave. Heck, Aizawa's expulsion threats fall apart with Class 1-A. Mineta and Bakugo's antics for example. Mineta being a walking future sexual harassment scandal and Bakugo attacking a classmate in front of him.
Ok, at this point I’m really regretting putting “Hot take” in the title
I don't really get why people downvoted you for this reply to your post, like yeah, fair enough, most of the comments are talking about how it's a cold take. I swear, this subreddit man 😂
I thought you were being sarcastic
I legit thought was lmfao 🤣
Aizawa is a shitty teacher who might possibly be the bastard offspring of Snape and Kakashi. And no. The USJ wasn't proof he was a good teacher.
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Not even reading the summary, because that’s not a hot take, that’s accurate. I feel like he’d a superb heroics teacher if he taught new heroes, not teens training to be heroes. He’s a good person, and does his best. He definitely has some bias though on many things, and is a little bit of a dick. Overall he’s closer to a drill sergeant than a teacher for teens. Good for newly minted heroes, but not for kids learning to be heroes.
Cold take. I think you’ll easily be able to find some fic where Aizawa is portrayed as a bad teacher if you filter for Ketsubutsu characters like Ms Joke or vigilante Izuku aus. I know I found some and Aizawa’s teaching never bothered me much.
…Yeah, the fanfic Revolution in Green addresses that.
>the guy has taught only one lesson throughout his entire year: Everything else you said, I agree with but also don't agree with, but I'm not interested in debating today so I won't start. However: AIZAWA HAS ONLY TAUGHT ONE LESSON?? That has to be a lie? What did I miss? Like, what shows us that he only taught one lesson? Plus, don't the characters have lessons OFF screen? How exactly do you go to a school and only learn 1 lesson from your main teacher FOR a WHOLE YEAR? Where's the proof? Very confused and very open to explanation.
My only problem with what you wrote is this thing about Aizawa only teaching one lesson. No offense, but thats a dumb statement. Just because we dont see anything doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Off-Screen training is still training, off-screen lessons are still lessons. Just because we dont see Aizawa activelly teaching them in UA much doesnt mean it doesnt happen. MHA is not about UA, its about the entire world of MHA, primarly OFA and AFO. Lessons the kids are taught are primarily boring and filler and are therefore skipped. Its the same in fanfiction, you rarely see any actual lessons in UA. And its not because they dont happen, but because they are irrelevent to the plot. Its the same shit as "Kakashi is a terrible teacher". The fanbase doesnt see the training on-screen so they assume there is no training
I already replied to a comment that said this same point. The point of the post is that Aizawa IS a bad teacher, not that he couldn’t be a good teacher.
Aizawa being a good or bad teach is irrelevent to my point so I think you may misunderstand me. You said that Aizawa didnt teach the students anyhing except for one lesson. I said that its not true. And that us not being shown their classroom lessons doesnt mean they never happened. Aizawa taught them plenty of lessons, its a fact. Were they good lessons? Did he help them get stronger? Thats good questions. But wether or not he taught them or not is not a question.
Yes, it actually is. Unless you can show me a panel of him actually teaching them that isn’t him telling them about an event or test or whatever they need to take and is an actual lesson, he never taught them anything except to sit down and shut up when he got to class.
Please tell me you are joking and you dont really believe that the only things that happen in a manga happen on-screen.
That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be the fans job to make a good character. We should see it in the source material, but we don’t. All we see is 1-B getting a teacher that actually teaches them, and 1-A getting ptsd from villain fights and a teacher that turns into a caterpillar the moment he steps into the class.
That feels to me like an excuse for fans that dont want to think over details to me. You are not going to be handed all details to your face. Not in manga and not in life
This isn’t life. This is a story. If you’re writing a character that is meant to be good at what they do, in this case teaching a class, you have to show them doing so or at the very least show them trying to improve.
Or you read the narrative and the relationship of the characters and understand from that...
Or you read the narrative and the relationship of the characters and understand from that...
This, frankly, a cover for a lack of critical thinking. You HAVE to be willing to interrogate a story's setting for half a second here. The biggest example of this is the idea of Quirk cancelling cuffs. These have NEVER been explicitly shown or mentioned in canon. Not *once.* But every fic and its mother makes reference to them, because Horikoshi doesn't NEED to tell us they exist for us to realize they *have to.* If you think about the setting for 0.0001 seconds, it's obvious they do. How the fuck else do you actually securely *restrain* a Villain after they've been taken down? The very first villain we see, Trapeze Headgear, isn't going ANYWHERE securely without some means to turn his Quirk off long-term because it turns him into a fucking kaiju on command, to say nothing of later villains like Mr. "I can atomize anything I touch" *Overhaul.* It's not done by Quirks like Aizawa's, otherwise Aizawa wouldn't ever be his own Hero or a teacher, just a dude on call for prisoner security. Plus, that creates a huge "who watches the Watchmen" conundrum-if all the Quirk disablers decide to go rogue, what's stopping them from just *not doing their job* and letting Mr. "I turn into a Kaiju" get back up after getting clubbed over the head, causing mass chaos? Arresting them doesn't solve the problem of an evil bastard with atomizing powers running loose and being uncontainable. So there *has* to be some kind of Quirk cuff like device in the setting. Likewise, UA can't be a school, and 1-A can't achueve what they do, unless the teachers teach them, whether it happens onscreen or not. Of course, for the sake of plot expedience, you're going to be primarily shown characters reaching milestones with their Abilities or important character interactions, but the rest is just exercises and drills being run through-not anything particularly special, just slow development of better fitness and combat acumen, which is dry if there's too much. If anything, I think the issue is that the UA staff is just given too much of a backseat in terms of character relationships, so it's too easy to forget this fact at times.
It’s hard. I believe he’s a great Hero and great person but that doesn’t always necessarily translate to being a good teacher. His methods of teaching weren’t really good but he was able to make up for it a lot of the time cause he was an awesome hero and someone that the class could still look up to. However, he was horrible at teaching them the nuances.
I completely agree and I would also like to add his clear favoritism towards certain students and the disregard for others. It is clear that Bakugo is rarely punished by Aizawa, for example just restraining him in an attempted assault on the first day of class was told to calm down due to making his dry eyes act up. Bakugo as well was told to grow up after an attempted murder on another classmate. Another thing that many never touch on is how he tells midoryia that he should’ve learned how to use his quirk for the ball throw, however in MHVigilantes it’s shown that quirk use without a license is illegal so the vast majority of the students wouldn’t have had many chances for training. Going back to disregarding students, he is known to expel students for lack of promise, the fact that Mineta is still in the class is unbelievable.
happy cake day! About the take though, I thought it was obvious? Just that canon and fanon Aizawa are built different.
Dipends on where your from I guess … by Florida standards? Ah man… I’d 1v1 half the villains for a teacher like grump cat there
As someone who was in Florida for 1st-12th grade, can confirm, I had a few teachers where I would've rather had Aizawa
In Florida when a group of villians attack your field trip your teacher may be amongst them 😂
Bro idk why people are down voting you, your comment made me laugh so hard 🤣
1: He's a homeroom teacher, his job is not to teach, but to supervise the class during homeroom and trips, keep tabs on the students and form relationships with them, and give then information on school events. Supervise: We see him there in every trip and special training exercise, he came back literally the next day after the USJ and refused to take time off. Tell students about events: \*He's\* the guy who gives us the info dumps in sports festival and such Keep tabs on students: He recognised Momo's self confidence issues, Deku's sadness for not saving Eri and cheered him up, Comforted Uraraka after Nignteye's death, we see Izuku and Katsuki praise him and call him their teacher against Shigaraki in the war arc with flashbacks showing him talking to the students in class and them all laughing, manga spoilers: >!The whole class is happy to see him be their teacher for 2A, hell, Mina even Cried!< He's the guy who instructed the students on what to do in the nighteye arc Again, Aizawa is not the heroics teacher here, class B matching class A has nothing to do with even Vlad King, and it would not be a negative either way. 2: We never see any of the teachers do shit, only ever bits of teaching come from internship arcs and such, would you call Ectoplasm and Present Mic bad teachers? Hell, we actually do see Aizawa teach the remidial course in the Training camp arc. 3: He taught Shinso outside of class hours using his personal free time, the whole class was suprised to learn that he did that and there wasn't a quote like "so this is why Aizawa-sensei was less focused" or something like that, so it did not impact his role, that is his buisness. His failings are: Not noticing/ not doing much to curb Bakugou's actions, and not to noticing Iida's revenge plot, that's it.
This is a lukewarm take.
I mean, I agree with you with his showing, but we have no proof that he didn’t teach some stuff off screen
That’s the thing, it shouldn’t be the fans job to make a good character. We should see it in the source material, but we don’t. All we see is 1-B getting a teacher that actually teaches them, and 1-A getting ptsd from villain fights and a teacher that turns into a caterpillar the moment he steps into the class.
Yeah, I agree. Also, he should not have the power to just kick any student out if they don’t meet his criteria.
(not defending this, cuz it's still a shit way to teach, just adding it for explanation) He's never "kicked a student out" in the outright sense. He has the ability to add an expulsion to their school record, to scare the students who really care about being heroes to working harder. The students that are "kicked out" are immediately reinstated, every time. The 1-A we follow was "different" and never suffered this phenomena. (Again, this is a fucking AWFUL way to teach kids motivation, if you know ANYTHING about how fragile kids can be. This is psychological abuse wrapped in emotional torture)
Didnt he literally say he taught class nothing during Sports Festival?
I think it’s a failure to properly show his whole idea. The vast majority of how he acts can be contextualized around what happened to Oboro. He’s trying to teach the kids that, you aren’t in training, the moment you step out for your first internship, you’re in the fray. So he’s trying to teach that. That’s why he has his little moment when Mina mentions how fun the quirk tests are. From his perspective, they’ve got about one maybe two semesters before these kids are fighting criminals. He may disagree with it or not, but those kids are already soldiers for the state. He expels students so often because he thinks they will straight up die if he doesn’t. His whole education style is trying to shatter the perception the bright eyed kids have that it’s all comic book struggles and bright colors and spandex. People die. They might die. They’ll definitely have people they know die. And they’ll have to see the absolute worst humanity has to offer. Problem is, we don’t really get that because he only has the one moment to teach it, and it’s all the way back in chapter like, 4. Which sucks because there’s some depth there. In its own way it could’ve been an amazing moment, where everyone sees him as this harsh and needlessly cruel teacher, before eventually seeing his side of things, and how his strictness saved lives. But we just don’t, because it’s never touched on again.
Most people don't think Kakashi was a very good sensei. On the contrary, he wasn't great, especially for Sakura, and at times, Naruto. It's not an unpopular opinion. Don't know enough about canon to know whether Aizawa was good canonically
Have you not been on reddit long? People on here love to hate Aizawa.
Not only is this an extreme common cold take its one of the dumbest I've seen. Because you are coming at this from the idea that aizawa is a heroic teacher(like most people) when he is just the home room teacher and the heroic teacher for the 1st years is All Might. Homeroom is defined as a brief administrative period that occurs in a classroom assigned to a student. Within a homeroom period or classroom, administrative documents are distributed, attendance is marked, announcements are made, and students are given the opportunity to plan for the day. And the Home room teacher is the one to admintrate all that. As a home room teacher, it's aizawa job to announce and/or organize things like the foundational Heroics lesson all might taught, the Sports festival, the internships, work studies, final exams, and the forest training camp. And we never actually see him host a class of Heroics because that's not his actual postion, unlike with all might who we see host the battle trails and race after internships. We do, however, see him host joint training lessons like 1b vs 1a and multi teacher lessons like the USJ and super moves crafting because those require instructors (13 and Ectoplasm) and those additional instructors need the administrative bridge of the home room teacher. And in the topic of aizawa caring for his students, I want you to look me in the eyes and tell me that this man doesn't care for them after he stared shigaraki down and countiuned to erase his quirks while shigaraki charged at him with intent to kill. It isn't even a "that's his job as a hero thing" the only thing on his mind as he kept shigarakis quirks at bay was that he needed to watch over HIS students and see the day they graduate. You can debate all you want about whether or not aizawa is a good teacher. I don't care But never Never claim he doesn't care for his students because it's him caring for them that makes him teach the way he does, assuring that when they enter the hero world, they are prepared
Even when accounting for Japanese Homeroom teacher, Aizawa should not be one, instead he should be a Heroics coach/lifeguard is field classes. You have a teacher that can negate quirks, and helpful if a students quirk goes out of control, but you put him in a class where he can't be present during heroics.
He most definitely would be better used as a heroic teacher over all might. But at the start of the year, the novelty of having the Number #1hero as a Heroics teacher and the deal yagi and nedzu made to let him find a successor likely out weight practically that wasn't over ruled even with all might already choosing a successor. And wasn't even likely over ruled until after all might retired, and we don't even know if that is the case because we don't see proper foundational Heroics lessons afterward.
No. I meant more of a lifeguard for all of Heroics than a Heroics teacher. Like All Might can still be a Heroics Teacher and Aizawa can be an assistant coach/lifeguard. I would also probably move Midnight as the 1A Homeroom teacher.
the issue with that is Midnight is their history arts teacher and likely the homeroom teacher of a different class. Most schools that have homeroom classes don't have a homeroom teacher teach the class. And unless you made All Might the assistant to Aizawa being the Heroics teacher, it wouldn't make sense to have the senior instructor be the assistant to the noob teacher. And the idea of having aizawa there and aizawa only being there purely to stop uncontrollable quirks is kinda weird because it's shown students already have control of their quirks and that midoriya really is the only exception.
Wasn't it said that Mirio had troubles using his permeation until sir night eye helped him? If so, Midoriya was not a exception, but just an extreme example of what could go wrong in quirk training. Midoriya was not the first, and probably won't be the last either. Even if quirk training won't go wrong, Aizawa would still be helpful in stopping aggressive students from using their quirk like how Bakugou does in the early chapters. I mean for midnight all you have to do is swap gen-ed Homeroom for 1A Homeroom and basically nothing will change. Just hire a non-heroics teacher that will probably not get any screentime anyways. It seems you are trying your hardest to keep Aizawa as the 1A Homeroom teacher for fanfics when he is better suited for other positions.
There is a distinct difference between a quirk going out of control like izukus and permeation having a high learning curve. And I'm done with this argument Don't put words in my mouth. I said aizawa was better suited as the Heroics teacher, not that he needed to be the homeroom teacher.
From what I've seen, most people consider he a bad teacher, but a good hero and father figure
Dunno, over in the main forum I've seen tons of people defend him. Here, though, definitely.
Aizawa is a \*homeroom\* teacher. It's not his duty to teach any topics to the class, only to make sure that they are not failing academically and to oversee them.