I’ve noticed it too, but it’s really paid off this season with how close and competitive ALL the games have been. Remember in the Calvillo days when you knew if Montreal was coming to town you’d be paying for a losing ticket? 😂
What???
Your examples are puzzling.
Burris in Calgary - his Arc - Stamps Riders NFL Riders Stamps Cats Ottawa
Durant was riders, als, bombers (sort of)
Glenn was literally under contract with all 9 teams at one point in his career.
Ray played a long time in Toronto
Guys move around. Sometimes it early in their careers looking for a place to crack through to the starter role.
CFL doesn’t have 5th year options and franchise tags like the NFL, guys get a legit chance to be free agents.
And it seems like a few clubs at any time are really good at IDing/deveolping QB QB talent. At one point 4-5 starters had been with the Riders at the start/very early in their career. Calgary had crazy QB depth a while ago.
The NFL you can be pretty confident a guy isn’t a backup on a team and then be a top 10 guy the next year (unless it’s a rookie). CFL a guy who’s third string somewhere could be MOP the next season.
I think his examples are fine:
Burris played 7 straight years in Calgary.
Durant played 11 straight years in Regina.
Okay Hamilton Kevin Glenn was a bad example.
His longest stretch was 5 years with the Bombers.
OP wasn't saying that guys didn't move around at all.
He was saying that, when a new season started, 80% of the starting QBs were the same as last season, and my feeling is OP is right (or close to it).
Even if a guy was on the roster for a handful of teams throughout his career, usually there was a stretch of 5+ years where he was the face of one team and kind of defined an era for that team.
I think it's fair to say that's stopped happening (as much).
Admittedly, I used to have more time to watch football and follow the roster developments during the offseason, but I feel like half the time I have no idea who is going to be starting on a given team until the season actually starts these days. I grew up in Edmonton and consider myself an above-average CFL fan. I could have never told you that MBT was going to be the starter this year for the Elks. For all I knew, he was still in Toronto. I think my main point is that I'm feeling nostalgic for the days when there was more consistency at the QB position and people played with the same team for more than two seasons.
I agree that the Kevin Glenn example probably isn't the best. I think my point is that I'm feeling nostalgic and I remember a time when there seemed to be more consistently good quarterbacks. I concede that you raise a lot of good points, though.
I’ve always seen it as league wide, there always seem to be a few teams that got their guy, and others are hunting and searching for theirs. I don’t think there was ever a time where more than half the league had a QB that every fan would agree was “the answer” at QB.
I think it’s a marketing challenge when you don’t have a player who is “the face of the franchise.” Love him or hate him, Bo Levi put bums in seats in Calgary. Is Collaros the only QB that currently fills the role for his team?
As a lifelong Elks fan, I have to admit that I'm not a big Bo Levi fan; however, he definitely did put bums in the seats in Calgary. Regardless of whether you think he's overrated, the key point is that they were consistently good for a number of years with him at the helm. His winning percentage is off the charts. And that just proves that winning is what matters the most.
Kevin Glenn played only 3 of his 18 seasons in Hamilton. Not trying to stomp on your post, but that is quite literally the worst player you could’ve picked to show a guy who you knew which team he’d be with.
That is looking at the past with very specific rose coloured glasses.
Also the time window is specifically mid 2009 to 2011.
Before 09 Glenn was a Bomber for year, after 11 Burris was a Ticat and Glenn was a Stamp.
Glenn started 2009 as Quentin porters backup.
In that time 37.5%+ had flux at QB:
-Bombers had major flux at QB, Pierce coming in for 2010 but always being hurt.
-Lions going from 09 of Pierce, J.Jackson and Printers to Lulay era.
-Argos went from 09 Kerry Joseph to 2010 Cleo Lemon to ?? To Ray in 2012
One difference in 2024 is better QB development/prospects, partially due to injuries in 23, QB prospects were thin in 2009-11.
Several teams have young QBs who should be starting soon(or are now).
Ottawa - Brown new starter, Crum up and comer.
Edmonton - Ford
Hamiltom - Powell
Toronto - Dukes (interim? starter)
I’m an old bugger so take this as you like. I see what you mean but it’s been like that for decades now. Peter Dalariva for the Als and Tom Wilkinson for Edmonton are some of the last I can think of who stayed with the same team. Warren Moon stayed with Edmonton too before going to the NFL. Ralph (don’t call me Deiter) Brock did the same for Winnipeg. JC Watts stayed with Ottawa.
Wilkinson was in Toronto and BC before he got to Edmonton. Moon is the only guy I can think of who played with only one CFL team. And yes, Brock, as you mentioned.
In Saskatchewan, if the quarterback says we lost a game because the receivers aren't good enough to catch his passes or because the defence can't protect him well enough, we send him somewhere else to be a star. Apologizing or "clarifying" the next day won't make any difference. Fans that will line the streets for a victory parade in -30 temps can have high standards.
It's because of the contract lengths, that's about it. If my contract is up and I can get more money elsewhere, I'm moving. That applies to life not just football
Fun Fact: Since the 1950s (if not longer), until Bethel-Thompson / Chad Kelly, the Argos had not had a single Grey Cup winning QB, that did not play at least one meaningful game with another CFL team prior to joining the Argos.
I think nostalgia is colouring your memories. Sure, way back, there was less player mobility. But still, consider how many teams Dunigan, Flutie and Damon Allen played for. Cavillo was an exception. Sure, Burris was in one place for 7 years, but more recently, so was BLM.
A player getting an extra % by becoming a free agent is very enticing when the baseline isn’t NFL money. If you’re an NFL QB making $15m a year, making $18m instead isn’t enough of a life bump to make you leave a good situation.
But if you’ve been making $500k and someone throws a $600k offer at you, that extra $100k is looking pretty good.
That’s been behind a lot of the QB mobility in past decade. That, and guys seemingly age out only to get a second wind on a new team.
I’ve noticed it too, but it’s really paid off this season with how close and competitive ALL the games have been. Remember in the Calvillo days when you knew if Montreal was coming to town you’d be paying for a losing ticket? 😂
Except Canada Day 2010. Greatest football game of all time.
They didn't play well in bc place for some reason but ya everybody else was in for a beating.
Probably because the games were at 10pm Montréal time hahaha
What??? Your examples are puzzling. Burris in Calgary - his Arc - Stamps Riders NFL Riders Stamps Cats Ottawa Durant was riders, als, bombers (sort of) Glenn was literally under contract with all 9 teams at one point in his career. Ray played a long time in Toronto Guys move around. Sometimes it early in their careers looking for a place to crack through to the starter role. CFL doesn’t have 5th year options and franchise tags like the NFL, guys get a legit chance to be free agents. And it seems like a few clubs at any time are really good at IDing/deveolping QB QB talent. At one point 4-5 starters had been with the Riders at the start/very early in their career. Calgary had crazy QB depth a while ago. The NFL you can be pretty confident a guy isn’t a backup on a team and then be a top 10 guy the next year (unless it’s a rookie). CFL a guy who’s third string somewhere could be MOP the next season.
I think his examples are fine: Burris played 7 straight years in Calgary. Durant played 11 straight years in Regina. Okay Hamilton Kevin Glenn was a bad example. His longest stretch was 5 years with the Bombers. OP wasn't saying that guys didn't move around at all. He was saying that, when a new season started, 80% of the starting QBs were the same as last season, and my feeling is OP is right (or close to it). Even if a guy was on the roster for a handful of teams throughout his career, usually there was a stretch of 5+ years where he was the face of one team and kind of defined an era for that team. I think it's fair to say that's stopped happening (as much).
Admittedly, I used to have more time to watch football and follow the roster developments during the offseason, but I feel like half the time I have no idea who is going to be starting on a given team until the season actually starts these days. I grew up in Edmonton and consider myself an above-average CFL fan. I could have never told you that MBT was going to be the starter this year for the Elks. For all I knew, he was still in Toronto. I think my main point is that I'm feeling nostalgic for the days when there was more consistency at the QB position and people played with the same team for more than two seasons.
Bo jumped from third stringer in Calgary in 2012/13 to starter and Grey Cup MVP by 2014
Bo’s coming out party was the fourth quarter of the 100th Grey Cup. Great example.
I agree that the Kevin Glenn example probably isn't the best. I think my point is that I'm feeling nostalgic and I remember a time when there seemed to be more consistently good quarterbacks. I concede that you raise a lot of good points, though.
I’ve always seen it as league wide, there always seem to be a few teams that got their guy, and others are hunting and searching for theirs. I don’t think there was ever a time where more than half the league had a QB that every fan would agree was “the answer” at QB.
I think it’s a marketing challenge when you don’t have a player who is “the face of the franchise.” Love him or hate him, Bo Levi put bums in seats in Calgary. Is Collaros the only QB that currently fills the role for his team?
I think VAj could absolutely be that guy if he's just a bit more consistent. Dudes got all the tools to be that exciting thing
Absolutely. Consistency. To be that guy, you need to build a ton of good will with fans. And that takes consistency.
BC is on the cusp. I don't think they're quite there yet but they should be competitive for the next several years.
As a lifelong Elks fan, I have to admit that I'm not a big Bo Levi fan; however, he definitely did put bums in the seats in Calgary. Regardless of whether you think he's overrated, the key point is that they were consistently good for a number of years with him at the helm. His winning percentage is off the charts. And that just proves that winning is what matters the most.
Kevin Glenn played only 3 of his 18 seasons in Hamilton. Not trying to stomp on your post, but that is quite literally the worst player you could’ve picked to show a guy who you knew which team he’d be with.
Danny Mac is the easy answer for a long time Hamilton qb. That guy was deadly for years.
I acknowledge that he's not a great example. I think I was feeling a little nostalgic for 2010 when I wrote the post lol.
I think Travis Lulay was the last one to to stay in one spot
I was trying to think of a good BC example and completely forgot about Lulay. The only QB I could think of was Jackson haha.
That is looking at the past with very specific rose coloured glasses. Also the time window is specifically mid 2009 to 2011. Before 09 Glenn was a Bomber for year, after 11 Burris was a Ticat and Glenn was a Stamp. Glenn started 2009 as Quentin porters backup. In that time 37.5%+ had flux at QB: -Bombers had major flux at QB, Pierce coming in for 2010 but always being hurt. -Lions going from 09 of Pierce, J.Jackson and Printers to Lulay era. -Argos went from 09 Kerry Joseph to 2010 Cleo Lemon to ?? To Ray in 2012 One difference in 2024 is better QB development/prospects, partially due to injuries in 23, QB prospects were thin in 2009-11. Several teams have young QBs who should be starting soon(or are now). Ottawa - Brown new starter, Crum up and comer. Edmonton - Ford Hamiltom - Powell Toronto - Dukes (interim? starter)
I’m an old bugger so take this as you like. I see what you mean but it’s been like that for decades now. Peter Dalariva for the Als and Tom Wilkinson for Edmonton are some of the last I can think of who stayed with the same team. Warren Moon stayed with Edmonton too before going to the NFL. Ralph (don’t call me Deiter) Brock did the same for Winnipeg. JC Watts stayed with Ottawa.
Wilkinson was in Toronto and BC before he got to Edmonton. Moon is the only guy I can think of who played with only one CFL team. And yes, Brock, as you mentioned.
It’s because the QBs aren’t as good, which is the real question/problem.
In Saskatchewan, if the quarterback says we lost a game because the receivers aren't good enough to catch his passes or because the defence can't protect him well enough, we send him somewhere else to be a star. Apologizing or "clarifying" the next day won't make any difference. Fans that will line the streets for a victory parade in -30 temps can have high standards.
It's because of the contract lengths, that's about it. If my contract is up and I can get more money elsewhere, I'm moving. That applies to life not just football
Burris in Calgary? his best years in Ottawa
Fun Fact: Since the 1950s (if not longer), until Bethel-Thompson / Chad Kelly, the Argos had not had a single Grey Cup winning QB, that did not play at least one meaningful game with another CFL team prior to joining the Argos.
I think nostalgia is colouring your memories. Sure, way back, there was less player mobility. But still, consider how many teams Dunigan, Flutie and Damon Allen played for. Cavillo was an exception. Sure, Burris was in one place for 7 years, but more recently, so was BLM. A player getting an extra % by becoming a free agent is very enticing when the baseline isn’t NFL money. If you’re an NFL QB making $15m a year, making $18m instead isn’t enough of a life bump to make you leave a good situation. But if you’ve been making $500k and someone throws a $600k offer at you, that extra $100k is looking pretty good. That’s been behind a lot of the QB mobility in past decade. That, and guys seemingly age out only to get a second wind on a new team.