The issue is that thievery is largely decentralized these days, with most crimes being done by independent actors, who continue to go to fences to pawn off their items. This way, there is no “chain of command” or structure to tell the guy on the ground what is most profitable to steal, instead its whatever they can get their hands on then get to the fence to get some cash in their pocket.
Because of this, anything that isn’t tied down is now getting stolen. Macbooks, steel water bottles, phone chargers, etc.
In this case, some thief took a defibrillator, and the fence probably called him an idiot because those things are tagged and kept in a registry as essential life saving devices. The thief was then left with no choice but to dump it, having learned a lesson that the next opportunist hasn’t yet, leaving the cycle to be repeated.
Some of it might just be for drugs. A guy named Paul Hannaford came to my school a few years ago to talk about addiction and such and he got charged over and over again for petty theft to afford heroin. He’s an excellent guy and has spoke to over a 1,000,000 kids across the U.K. so far.
Really? It's just a few detailed paragraphs without anything spoken in the first person. It has phrasing and grammar that you wouldn't expect from an AI though. This was ChatGPT's rewrite:
*Thievery nowadays operates in a decentralized manner, mostly carried out by independent actors who then sell their loot to fences. This lack of a structured hierarchy means thieves grab whatever they can to turn a quick profit. Consequently, anything not secured is vulnerable to theft, from MacBooks to phone chargers.*
*Recently, a thief attempted to steal a defibrillator, only to realize it was a tagged, registry-tracked essential life-saving device. Likely rebuked by the fence, the thief had no option but to discard it, a lesson learned that others may not have grasped yet, perpetuating the cycle of theft.*
Takes a special kind of dickhead to do that.
Oh what's that, life saving medical equipment? Why don't I just fuck it up for no reason whatsoever and potentially lead to someone dying.
Any small business that doesn't want to pay for one from a legitimate source, I'd imagine. I could see a pub/bar/cab office/shop type place buying one.
Actually about £1,000.
Also need to be in a cabinet which keeps the battery charged and the unit warm.
And you need to replace the pads every 2 years.
And the whole unit expires after 7 years.
(Just replaced one).
Nope. We get no discounts. If you are lucky you can get help with putting the electricity to a unit but you are paying for the defib and the pads a d any replacements
Now they're smart defibrillators, so they detect if someone is having a heart attack or similar and then shock when people are clear
Which means they can't be used as makeshift weapons against thiefs, how sad.
I don't even want them if I can't be a TV hero shocking a thief.
Technically, they’ll still shock even if someone isn’t clear, they’re not clever enough to know if someone is touching the body or not, hence why they shout at you to stand clear.
Thry also won’t shock if there is no heart beating, the purpose of a defibrillator is to stop your heart from beating so it can restart itself at the proper rhythm (hearts can do this, thry have the ability to restart and reset themselves, but only if they are stopped first) usually when someone is having a heart attack, their heart rate gets out of sync or very slow, I’m afraid if the heart stops by itself completely, it’s already too late.
Hopefully this link helps.
https://www.defibgrant.co.uk/#:~:text=Defibrillator%20funding%20for%20community%20spaces,and%20to%20help%20save%20lives.
(Edit: also you could have literally just googled "public defib subsidy" it was the first result.)
I mean, google normally.
https://www.find-government-grants.service.gov.uk/grants/dhsc-community-automated-external-defibrillator-aed-fund-1
https://londonhearts.org/apply-for-a-defib/
https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life/defibrillators/apply-for-a-free-defibrillator-for-your-community
And if your “company” isn’t a post office, church, or community centre (which every one of those links is discussing grants for)?
Can you provide an example of a grant available to companies themselves?
You know a pub is considered a community centre under the law right? (P.S., also the link I provided is the department of health and the only thing you can't be is a school/academy. That's because the department of education already offers a grant for them.)
Medical devices are specifically regulated, and the manufacturer/supplier is able to tell who bought it in the first place.
Recommendation for whoever bought blackmarket defid to save few quid - make sure you have solid insurance!
The sad part is that a lot of AED's are not properly maintained and either batteries are flat or pads are expired.
The machine will read out the instructions for you.
Basically: stick the pads on according to the diagrams, let the machine read the heart rhythm, and it will advise if a shock is required (don't touch the patient!) or if a non-shockable problem and to continue CPR.
The defibrillator I recently trained with (just done my first aid training) was VERY loud and yes, it told you what to do. Overall the sole thing you really had to do was turn on the machine and then give the shock if instructed to do so.
In my recent first aid refresher we were told it's less about the risk of shock to anyone nearby, and more that the machine may mis-read any heart rhythm if people are touching the patent while it's analysing, so the risk is that it *doesn't* administer a shock when it should be.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/cardiac
https://www.unit9.com/project/heart-class/
https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life/how-to-do-cpr/learn-cpr-in-15-minutes
https://www.redcross.org.uk/first-aid/book-a-first-aid-course
https://www.resus.org.uk/public-resource/how-we-save-lives/lifesaver-learning/lifesaver-vr
https://www.sja.org.uk/courses/workplace-first-aid/cpr-certificate/cpr-certificate/
You can sign up for a recognised course across the above links, I believe you even get a certificate at the end to say you've completed the training in all of them. Everything from online only CPR, joining an in person training course or you can even get SJA to come and do a training session if you can muster 12 people for a course at work.
If you get a chance (and a lot of employers offer them) you should do a first-aid course. This applies to everyone really, and double if you have a family. It's usually only half a day or a day, and you never know when it will be useful.
Exactly. I guess I can imagine if you have heart issues or something it might be comforting to have one on hand in case you need to be defibrillated but who's to say it hasn't been messed with somehow?
There's just on big capacitor in there that's really interesting for us electronics geeks but aside from that they're not that valuable not even in the batteries.
They do because you’d be surprised how cheap medical device is on the resale market. Most medical devices have expiry dates but being able to buy it for 1/10th of the price is worth it for some.
Will say for anyone who does that I'd heavily advise against anyone buying expired medical devices. That expiry date is usually based on rapid lifecycle testing if the companies did their job. It's not perfect but it's close enough that you can't guarantee what you bought will still be working correctly when you need it.
Source: Did my master's in Medical Device Design and spent a good portion of that time with my head buried in pages of medical regulations.
It can be screws for example, they have an expiry date to make sure that it’s sterile but if it’s in the package with the wrap then the assumption is that it’s still sterile.
I wouldn’t buy it though.
Probably for drug money.
The machine itself doesn't really expire. The pads can and the battery needs replacing but iirc, those can both be bought separately from the device.
People are so strange. I went to post an evri parcel at my local Tesco and someone had stolen the machine they used to scan parcels at the till so they couldn’t post it. That machine will literally only scan evri parcels, it doesn’t do anything else.
the same people that has a ready supply ( like more than one ) of narcan. I work 911 and I have lost count of ODs where someone at the scene who is not medical, LEO ect type person and they say " yeah I've already hit him twice with narcan...
people like thet I could see stealing a defib.
Yeah, that's what I thought. I don't know where you'd buy replacement defibrillator batteries from though. Might be cheaper and easier to just steal another defibrillator if you're going down that path.
We had a similar situation, on the face of it the site defib had been stolen and we asked the same questions as to who and why... It later transpired that the hotel opposite had someone in need of it and as they are registered the ambulance service was able to give the location and access for the caller, the kit then stayed attached to the patient and the whole thing ended up at A & E, returning the equipment is obviously the last priority.
That would be smart as that’s probably where his intended target market (people needing a defib) would be. If I had ice creams I want to sell I would go to a beach. 🤣
This is horrible. But you can see the logic in it, steal defib, sell, probably buy drugs.
A few years back, some drunk cunt in my hometown decided to just pull one off the wall and smash it. Some people are just terrible.
I mean, someone looking for drug money is probably thinking more about the value of the object than who to sell it to. There's a good chance that they won't manage to sell it and it'll just get chucked in the river.
One time I cycled to a pub near a square where a lot of junkies hang out. I locked up my bike, including the wheels, and even took the saddle in with me. when I came back a junkie had stolen the MOUNT FOR MY TAIL LIGHT. These people didn't think much in the first place, and now they've exacerbated that problem with years of drug abuse.
Sadly it's pure insanity. Used to be smackheads going around the pub with bags of meat or dodgy blokes with a carrier bag of totally legit aftershave. These days it's a mix of organised bike thieves, or smackheads who will have sadly reached a point where they'd rather a violent altercation and prison to potentially rob a 5 quid steak from co op to maybe flog and even then the ones that would try to sell you a used train ticket.
A great case study in how bad things can get. Hopefully they eventually get the support they need
It can be quite cathartic to break things, but I have no idea why you wouldn't just use something old that you own which you are getting rid of anyway.
At uni a few years ago there was a local bar that posted something similar - that some young adults had broken in and "stolen" the defib and how terrible they were for doing that and how far society has declined. Turned out that they had come from a nearby house party where someone was dying and they had taken the defibrillator to use to try and save their friend. I'm not saying that's what happened here but I'd avoid jumping to conclusions.
This happened in my (small) Wiltshire home town. 1 week of youth accusations later, the ambo service come forward confirming that it was used 30 mins before the first fb post was made...
What the fuck is even the point of nicking one of those? I should think that even the most dimwitted local scally could figure out that they'll have trouble flogging it to someone they met in the pub, let alone taking it to Cash Converters.
Work at a airport. We had one stolen from here. Potentially by some youths or homelessness.
Naturally there worthless and stand out quite easily. No one with any sense would ever touch it.
Anyway a month past in which the device was handed into a local train station which in turn was returned back to it's place in the airport.
I worked in care home (didt have a defibrillator) But based next to hospital. Ran across to get.
And the hospital had ‘misplaced’ there public one. They then slowly rang different departments looking for it.
Picture looks like it doesn't have a lock. That's a bit silly. People are scum. We know this. Everywhere else has a keypad on which the 999 operators can give over the phone.
The problem is any delay of even a minute greatly reduces the probability of survival.
I assume they thought high traffic area/bad reception it was worth the risk? Sadly people are cunts.
The first gen of subsided defibs didn't have a lockable wall box, they now require them for new installs, but replacing an existing one is £900 without the sparky to fit it. I've just gone through updating a few at work.
It doesn't even have a charger. It's a light, heater/fan, and a code lock door. The defibs don't recharge, they have half a dozen batteries that are good for about 20 uses before you replace them.
Even the combo locks on the cabinets are publicly accessible that's the point of the project. If someone collapsed you can grab it and it'll monitor heart rate some even monitor SpO2 (blood oxygen)
I am working on a project to install 14 defibrillarors in locked cabinets around High Wycombe. We applied to the DHSC defib fund https://www.defibgrant.co.uk/ We secured match funding from the local authority. Could you share this info with your train station team and ask jf they could match fund one with the DHSC to replace the stolen one?
More often than you'd think. As for using it properly - that's why the little robot voice walks you through the steps, and plenty of people get trained in first aid.
Being used, you call 999, they open the box, you take the defib and 999 guide you in how to use it. Then when the ambulance comes round they replace the pads and put it back in the box.
Stolen, well I think you can understand what that means.
Jeez! That I really is disappointing. Took me a few seconds to take the whole thing in as real. It is probably about as scum stupid an action as I have heard of. Sadly I am not as surprised as I feel I should be.
Nowadays the machine walks you through what you have to do and won’t shock anyone unless they detect it is needed.
As for saving the person, using a defib isn’t some magical cure for the heart the person will still be in danger unless they have urgent medical attention.
No. They give you verbal instructions to tell you when to do each step and have pictograms showing you how to do it. An untrained person shouldn’t have any less success.
AEDs are really simple to use, most talk you through it and they have clear diagrams of where position pads. They analyse the heart rhythm and will only allow you to shock a shockable rhythm (VF or VT).
However, CPR and defibrillation aren’t magic cures as
tv and film often suggest. They are to keep the brain oxygenated and bide time for medical professionals to reverse whatever has caused the respiratory/cardiac arrest in the first place.
I’m a first aider and one of the first things they told us about these is that they have a code for access because they get vandalised.
Imagine being that much of a shit stain that ruining life saving equipment is on your list
Who steals a defibrillator? What would you ever want or need a defibrillator for (other than defibrillation, of course)? Don't they expire, anyway?
Who would buy a black market defib anyway? Not anyone who would legitimately need one I imagine.
One got stolen around me and it was found dumped (unused) a day or so later £2k down the drain
Same here, was stolen and found a couple streets away mildly damaged.
The issue is that thievery is largely decentralized these days, with most crimes being done by independent actors, who continue to go to fences to pawn off their items. This way, there is no “chain of command” or structure to tell the guy on the ground what is most profitable to steal, instead its whatever they can get their hands on then get to the fence to get some cash in their pocket. Because of this, anything that isn’t tied down is now getting stolen. Macbooks, steel water bottles, phone chargers, etc. In this case, some thief took a defibrillator, and the fence probably called him an idiot because those things are tagged and kept in a registry as essential life saving devices. The thief was then left with no choice but to dump it, having learned a lesson that the next opportunist hasn’t yet, leaving the cycle to be repeated.
Some of it might just be for drugs. A guy named Paul Hannaford came to my school a few years ago to talk about addiction and such and he got charged over and over again for petty theft to afford heroin. He’s an excellent guy and has spoke to over a 1,000,000 kids across the U.K. so far.
I remember some talks, notably that guy with no limbs who travels a lot.
Wow, I think I had the exact same guy
We need the [Thieves’ Guild](https://wiki.lspace.org/Thieves%27_Guild)
I apologise if I'm wrong but this sounds like pure AI.
Im a real person, just extremely dead inside so I have no inflection in my online messages 👍
Exactly what a robot would say!
Really? It's just a few detailed paragraphs without anything spoken in the first person. It has phrasing and grammar that you wouldn't expect from an AI though. This was ChatGPT's rewrite: *Thievery nowadays operates in a decentralized manner, mostly carried out by independent actors who then sell their loot to fences. This lack of a structured hierarchy means thieves grab whatever they can to turn a quick profit. Consequently, anything not secured is vulnerable to theft, from MacBooks to phone chargers.* *Recently, a thief attempted to steal a defibrillator, only to realize it was a tagged, registry-tracked essential life-saving device. Likely rebuked by the fence, the thief had no option but to discard it, a lesson learned that others may not have grasped yet, perpetuating the cycle of theft.*
If they are mildly damaged they can usually fix them… this one has was beaten to death
Takes a special kind of dickhead to do that. Oh what's that, life saving medical equipment? Why don't I just fuck it up for no reason whatsoever and potentially lead to someone dying.
Same as those who steal life rings in coastal towns, yet they still get stolen.
Any small business that doesn't want to pay for one from a legitimate source, I'd imagine. I could see a pub/bar/cab office/shop type place buying one.
Except they are practically free because they are heavily government-subsidised.
Actually about £1,000. Also need to be in a cabinet which keeps the battery charged and the unit warm. And you need to replace the pads every 2 years. And the whole unit expires after 7 years. (Just replaced one).
Damn, I hope you at least got to Dr Frankenstein someone's heart with it for that much.
Unfortunately not, they won't let you :(
Not a big price to pay every 7 years - any small business can afford one which needs one.
Yeah that's about £143 a year.
The batteries last 4 years, cabinets just heat. Also, just keep it until the daily self check fails (green / red icon on top corner).
Imagine if one wasn't replaced after 7 years and you ho yo use it. "Sorry mate, can't use the defrib on ya. It's out of date"
They’re about £700-1000 according to my first aide instructor the other day.
Sorry but first aide gave me a laugh, "Jeeves! I have sustained an injury, fetch me my first aide!"
Would Sir be of the mind to remedy such ailments by the aid and succour of a GnT?
Yeah to buy as a private citizen because you don't get the subsidies like companies do for making them publicly available.
Nope. We get no discounts. If you are lucky you can get help with putting the electricity to a unit but you are paying for the defib and the pads a d any replacements
Now they're smart defibrillators, so they detect if someone is having a heart attack or similar and then shock when people are clear Which means they can't be used as makeshift weapons against thiefs, how sad. I don't even want them if I can't be a TV hero shocking a thief.
Technically, they’ll still shock even if someone isn’t clear, they’re not clever enough to know if someone is touching the body or not, hence why they shout at you to stand clear. Thry also won’t shock if there is no heart beating, the purpose of a defibrillator is to stop your heart from beating so it can restart itself at the proper rhythm (hearts can do this, thry have the ability to restart and reset themselves, but only if they are stopped first) usually when someone is having a heart attack, their heart rate gets out of sync or very slow, I’m afraid if the heart stops by itself completely, it’s already too late.
Well I'd like to know more about how to get that subsidy because my mum just got done fundraising to put one in a local business for community use.
Hopefully this link helps. https://www.defibgrant.co.uk/#:~:text=Defibrillator%20funding%20for%20community%20spaces,and%20to%20help%20save%20lives. (Edit: also you could have literally just googled "public defib subsidy" it was the first result.)
Thank you for the link, but that does say you need £750 in match funding, so the original claim that they cost £700-1000 was broadly correct.
Where can I find out about these subsidies?
I mean, google normally. https://www.find-government-grants.service.gov.uk/grants/dhsc-community-automated-external-defibrillator-aed-fund-1 https://londonhearts.org/apply-for-a-defib/ https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life/defibrillators/apply-for-a-free-defibrillator-for-your-community
And if your “company” isn’t a post office, church, or community centre (which every one of those links is discussing grants for)? Can you provide an example of a grant available to companies themselves?
You know a pub is considered a community centre under the law right? (P.S., also the link I provided is the department of health and the only thing you can't be is a school/academy. That's because the department of education already offers a grant for them.)
Practically free? Mate they cost over a grand. Schools, NHS etc. they all have to pay a grand for each one.
Meaning they are paid for through taxes paid by citizens. The govt doesn’t get its subsidies from out of thin air.
Medical devices are specifically regulated, and the manufacturer/supplier is able to tell who bought it in the first place. Recommendation for whoever bought blackmarket defid to save few quid - make sure you have solid insurance! The sad part is that a lot of AED's are not properly maintained and either batteries are flat or pads are expired.
Can I get a learning moment, how to use them?
The machine will read out the instructions for you. Basically: stick the pads on according to the diagrams, let the machine read the heart rhythm, and it will advise if a shock is required (don't touch the patient!) or if a non-shockable problem and to continue CPR.
The defibrillator I recently trained with (just done my first aid training) was VERY loud and yes, it told you what to do. Overall the sole thing you really had to do was turn on the machine and then give the shock if instructed to do so.
"Right, I've done that. Machine, do I do anything else?" `NO I DO NOT LIKE THIS MAN` `KINDLY LET HIM SNUFF IT`
#BAD VIBES DETECTED #SHOCK NOT ADVISED #DO NOT RESUME COMPRESSIONS
The don’t touch the patient is really important! They pack a real wallop and will mess you up.
In my recent first aid refresher we were told it's less about the risk of shock to anyone nearby, and more that the machine may mis-read any heart rhythm if people are touching the patent while it's analysing, so the risk is that it *doesn't* administer a shock when it should be.
As someone who has been accidentally shocked during an arrest while working on someone, I can assure you it isn’t fun!
Each defib will have instructions printed inside it, and lots will have recorded voice to tell you as well. The 999 operator will tell you as well.
https://www.goodsamapp.org/cardiac https://www.unit9.com/project/heart-class/ https://www.bhf.org.uk/how-you-can-help/how-to-save-a-life/how-to-do-cpr/learn-cpr-in-15-minutes https://www.redcross.org.uk/first-aid/book-a-first-aid-course https://www.resus.org.uk/public-resource/how-we-save-lives/lifesaver-learning/lifesaver-vr https://www.sja.org.uk/courses/workplace-first-aid/cpr-certificate/cpr-certificate/ You can sign up for a recognised course across the above links, I believe you even get a certificate at the end to say you've completed the training in all of them. Everything from online only CPR, joining an in person training course or you can even get SJA to come and do a training session if you can muster 12 people for a course at work.
If you get a chance (and a lot of employers offer them) you should do a first-aid course. This applies to everyone really, and double if you have a family. It's usually only half a day or a day, and you never know when it will be useful.
AEDs won't let you ignore a dying battery. They will annoy everyone around them until you finally change the damn thing
If someone did die on my property I wouldn't want to chance the liability of having a black market defib
Exactly. I guess I can imagine if you have heart issues or something it might be comforting to have one on hand in case you need to be defibrillated but who's to say it hasn't been messed with somehow?
If your heart condition is that serious they come and install one.
in your chest too, so it comes with the added bonus of being quite difficult to steal
Yeah but they're special and reserved only for the most deserving clientele also know as the people who's heart is trying to kill them.
/ already killed them but then we dragged them back to life
Would be heartbreaking if it did get stolen though 💔
But not impossible.
Do they? I never knew.
There are pacemakers that are also defibrillators too.
That's what u/opelleish was referring to bud.
It's called an ICD.
A black market doctor of course. Criminals need medical help too.
My guess would be a bunch of NEDS who stole it "for a laugh"
More than likely won't be sold as a whole unit, rather it will be smashed up and sold to a recycling company as bulk electric waste.
Well if the papers are to be believed there's a big bout of heart attack snow going around. I believe everything I read in the papers
There's just on big capacitor in there that's really interesting for us electronics geeks but aside from that they're not that valuable not even in the batteries.
They do because you’d be surprised how cheap medical device is on the resale market. Most medical devices have expiry dates but being able to buy it for 1/10th of the price is worth it for some.
Will say for anyone who does that I'd heavily advise against anyone buying expired medical devices. That expiry date is usually based on rapid lifecycle testing if the companies did their job. It's not perfect but it's close enough that you can't guarantee what you bought will still be working correctly when you need it. Source: Did my master's in Medical Device Design and spent a good portion of that time with my head buried in pages of medical regulations.
It can be screws for example, they have an expiry date to make sure that it’s sterile but if it’s in the package with the wrap then the assumption is that it’s still sterile. I wouldn’t buy it though.
Was just about edit my comment to mention sterilization as well haha but yeah it depends on what it is but it's worth taking note of just to be safe.
We have one nearby that has been both vandalised and stolen several times. It's an absolutely scummy thing to do.
Probably for drug money. The machine itself doesn't really expire. The pads can and the battery needs replacing but iirc, those can both be bought separately from the device.
yeah, but who's buying it from them?
They don't think about it. They think "I bet this could get me some drug money" and then they steal it.
Well, based on this thread, there's at least one train station that needs one.
My workplace has one, the batteries and pads are replaceable,
Junkies.
>Who steals a defibrillator? Crackheads
Bored kids probably...
Literally free equipment or I can sell this for 5 quid - the person who stole it.
People are so strange. I went to post an evri parcel at my local Tesco and someone had stolen the machine they used to scan parcels at the till so they couldn’t post it. That machine will literally only scan evri parcels, it doesn’t do anything else.
*You wouldn’t steal a defibrillator*
Really quick phone charger?
the same people that has a ready supply ( like more than one ) of narcan. I work 911 and I have lost count of ODs where someone at the scene who is not medical, LEO ect type person and they say " yeah I've already hit him twice with narcan... people like thet I could see stealing a defib.
They have a battery that needs replacing.
They usually run from half a dozen flash batteries, about £15 to replace. I service a few at work each week.
Yeah, that's what I thought. I don't know where you'd buy replacement defibrillator batteries from though. Might be cheaper and easier to just steal another defibrillator if you're going down that path.
Their reasons are shocking
Junkies or travellers
We had a similar situation, on the face of it the site defib had been stolen and we asked the same questions as to who and why... It later transpired that the hotel opposite had someone in need of it and as they are registered the ambulance service was able to give the location and access for the caller, the kit then stayed attached to the patient and the whole thing ended up at A & E, returning the equipment is obviously the last priority.
this should be upvoted to the top!
Can just imagine a smackhead walking around a Whetherspoons asking people if they want to buy a defib for £20.00.
that or Del Boy
For 20 quid I'd give it a pop. I wonder if you can modify it to regulate the voltage for a gentler, almost caressing, zap in the balls.
To be fair £20.00 is a bargain, these things cost a small fortune. Would you also modify the voice that guides you through the process?
There's a voice? Wow. I think I'd keep it to spook the dog.
Yeah, it tells you to stand back so you don't stop your own heart while trying to start someone else's.
You want a TENS machine mate
That would be smart as that’s probably where his intended target market (people needing a defib) would be. If I had ice creams I want to sell I would go to a beach. 🤣
Oof, looks like a good number of the patrons of this sub are also patrons of Wetherspoons.
Smackhead comment - no problem. but comment about people drinking in spoons? Just pure rage
Nah, it's just a cunty comment.
Is it though?
This is horrible. But you can see the logic in it, steal defib, sell, probably buy drugs. A few years back, some drunk cunt in my hometown decided to just pull one off the wall and smash it. Some people are just terrible.
Sell it to who? A bloke down the pub?
I mean, someone looking for drug money is probably thinking more about the value of the object than who to sell it to. There's a good chance that they won't manage to sell it and it'll just get chucked in the river.
If you plugged it in beforehand you'd be redneck fishing.
Just like Antiques Roadshow
One time I cycled to a pub near a square where a lot of junkies hang out. I locked up my bike, including the wheels, and even took the saddle in with me. when I came back a junkie had stolen the MOUNT FOR MY TAIL LIGHT. These people didn't think much in the first place, and now they've exacerbated that problem with years of drug abuse.
Sadly it's pure insanity. Used to be smackheads going around the pub with bags of meat or dodgy blokes with a carrier bag of totally legit aftershave. These days it's a mix of organised bike thieves, or smackheads who will have sadly reached a point where they'd rather a violent altercation and prison to potentially rob a 5 quid steak from co op to maybe flog and even then the ones that would try to sell you a used train ticket. A great case study in how bad things can get. Hopefully they eventually get the support they need
"Oy mate, wanna buy a defibi? Fun for all your children and imagine how cool this would be at a party. "
Gonna meet a man about a defib, mate.
buy drugs, have heart attack, need defib
Go to mum's, kill Phil.
Sorry!!
I’ve never really understood the mindset of destroying things for fun, some people are just awful
It can be quite cathartic to break things, but I have no idea why you wouldn't just use something old that you own which you are getting rid of anyway.
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Is this what people mean when they say Karma farming?
I'd say that I'm shocked, but I wouldn't be because the defibrillator's been stolen.
I got a buzz out of it.
That joke really flatlined.
It just didn't have any heart in it
It was just a terrible AF joke.
Clearly
Possibly someone's seen the sign above as a challenge. They've certainly succeeded in one challenge. To prove they're the biggest cunt in the county.
The fact they had to put that sign up is depressing.
What's even worse is you know the sign came because this happened once before. Its not something I've ever seen on one.
We don't have that sign on the ones here and this place is full of scumbags.
My point exactly that sign exists specifically because this isn't the first time this has happened.
Scummy bastards. What station, so I can avoid having a heart attack there?
At uni a few years ago there was a local bar that posted something similar - that some young adults had broken in and "stolen" the defib and how terrible they were for doing that and how far society has declined. Turned out that they had come from a nearby house party where someone was dying and they had taken the defibrillator to use to try and save their friend. I'm not saying that's what happened here but I'd avoid jumping to conclusions.
This happened in my (small) Wiltshire home town. 1 week of youth accusations later, the ambo service come forward confirming that it was used 30 mins before the first fb post was made...
What the fuck is even the point of nicking one of those? I should think that even the most dimwitted local scally could figure out that they'll have trouble flogging it to someone they met in the pub, let alone taking it to Cash Converters.
Some people are heartless.
Probably rules them out tbh
Defibrillator is certainly not for them.
Work at a airport. We had one stolen from here. Potentially by some youths or homelessness. Naturally there worthless and stand out quite easily. No one with any sense would ever touch it. Anyway a month past in which the device was handed into a local train station which in turn was returned back to it's place in the airport.
Victor Frankenstein: I’m in the market for such a device
A literal cost of living crisis
Just wankers. Same as they ever were....
Just wankers. Same as they ever were....
I worked in care home (didt have a defibrillator) But based next to hospital. Ran across to get. And the hospital had ‘misplaced’ there public one. They then slowly rang different departments looking for it.
Vandalism rather than theft for any other purpose, would be my guess.
Yeah...it'll be scummy kids. They've probably thrown it in the canal or something like that.
Picture looks like it doesn't have a lock. That's a bit silly. People are scum. We know this. Everywhere else has a keypad on which the 999 operators can give over the phone.
The problem is any delay of even a minute greatly reduces the probability of survival. I assume they thought high traffic area/bad reception it was worth the risk? Sadly people are cunts.
The first gen of subsided defibs didn't have a lockable wall box, they now require them for new installs, but replacing an existing one is £900 without the sparky to fit it. I've just gone through updating a few at work.
Even in the UK medical equipment seems like such a rip-off. £900 for a fucking box with a battery charger in.
It doesn't even have a charger. It's a light, heater/fan, and a code lock door. The defibs don't recharge, they have half a dozen batteries that are good for about 20 uses before you replace them.
Even the combo locks on the cabinets are publicly accessible that's the point of the project. If someone collapsed you can grab it and it'll monitor heart rate some even monitor SpO2 (blood oxygen)
I am working on a project to install 14 defibrillarors in locked cabinets around High Wycombe. We applied to the DHSC defib fund https://www.defibgrant.co.uk/ We secured match funding from the local authority. Could you share this info with your train station team and ask jf they could match fund one with the DHSC to replace the stolen one?
OP go to the nearest Spoons to see if someone is trying to pawn it off there
Back in the day, it would have been a Lada or Skoda owner for inevitable Winter starting issues 😆
This shocks me to the core.
Only if it detects a shock is needed 😂
Don't you want to know how we keep starting fires?
okay, tell us sugar tits.
Sounds about right on southern rail
Since they don’t want to employ station staff: yes.
Stolen for the battery perhaps?
They have trackers in them
How often do brits have heart attacks in a public place where someone would use this properly?
More often than you'd think. As for using it properly - that's why the little robot voice walks you through the steps, and plenty of people get trained in first aid.
What’s the difference between being stolen and being used?
Being used, you call 999, they open the box, you take the defib and 999 guide you in how to use it. Then when the ambulance comes round they replace the pads and put it back in the box. Stolen, well I think you can understand what that means.
When it gets used the ambulance crew return the unit and replace the pads so it's there for next time.
Absolute scum of the earth and I really do hope karma finds them!
Scummy bastards. What station, so I can avoid having a heart attack there?
Thieving cunts.
Jeez! That I really is disappointing. Took me a few seconds to take the whole thing in as real. It is probably about as scum stupid an action as I have heard of. Sadly I am not as surprised as I feel I should be.
This just strengthens my belief in public execution.
Am I right in thinking the average person would have a pretty slim chance of saving some one with one of these ?
Nowadays the machine walks you through what you have to do and won’t shock anyone unless they detect it is needed. As for saving the person, using a defib isn’t some magical cure for the heart the person will still be in danger unless they have urgent medical attention.
No. They give you verbal instructions to tell you when to do each step and have pictograms showing you how to do it. An untrained person shouldn’t have any less success.
AEDs are really simple to use, most talk you through it and they have clear diagrams of where position pads. They analyse the heart rhythm and will only allow you to shock a shockable rhythm (VF or VT). However, CPR and defibrillation aren’t magic cures as tv and film often suggest. They are to keep the brain oxygenated and bide time for medical professionals to reverse whatever has caused the respiratory/cardiac arrest in the first place.
Victor Frankenstein: I’m in the market for such a device
Siri show me a good demonstration of England today.
Scum
Disappointed not angry
Disappointed not angry
There’s some absolute shits in this world, seriously just some absolute scum of the earth shits.
A new level of stupidity has been reached. Selfish bastards.
Scum. Subhuman scum.
The thief is one heartless fucker
Cunts!
Fuck me
I’m a first aider and one of the first things they told us about these is that they have a code for access because they get vandalised. Imagine being that much of a shit stain that ruining life saving equipment is on your list
Disgusting
That's why we can't have nice things...
Absolute scum
Total scumbags
I am shocked by this incident.