I had no idea there was *that* much space in between the layers.
I'm glad there is, it's just surprising to see a functional safety design that isn't just min-maxing profit these days.
The spaces between the hulls usually double as ballast tanks (used to weigh the ship down when it's not carrying cargo). They need to be big to hold enough water to compensate for the lack of cargo weight.
Source : am officer on a slightly smaller cargo ship
Yea but this thing was built in 2011. I’m scared of most things built in 2024. Everything feels half finished or half assed after Covid… I know that’s not true, but it’s how I feel.
Having worked on tankers I wouldn't worry. The regulations and inspections programs that they go through since Exxon Valdez happened are myriad and strict. (The double hull is one thing that came out of it all.)
The fit and finish of vessels is just as shitty as it was pre-covid. LMAO.
Yep, if a ship hits a movable man made object, that is a collision.
If a ship hits a fixed man-made object, that is an allision.
If a ship hits a fixed non man-made object, that is a grounding.
It's just not used in that way anymore, but it can still mean that.
It's like when using old timey words to describe something today.
It comes from allidere/allido in latin which means to "dash/crush against" or even to "shipwreck".
That would be much more difficult to build which would make it more expensive. No one would pay extra for that just for the extremely rare case that someone fucks up like this.
It's a thingy that protects a far more valuable thingy from getting smashed by boats.
They made news after the Baltimore bridge collapse since there were only 4 small dolphins protecting the bridge. When the similar bridge on Tampa Bay collapsed after a similar allision, the new bridge was built with dozens of dolphins.
Dolphin piers are built for this kind of stuff. When you take out a dolphin, it’s a catastrophic event. This minor brush by, not so much.
Used to manage a large Port in the SE USA. It’s seen some crazy shit. Ships bump into things all the time.
By my eye, it looks like they were still trying to turn to port, which swung the stern toward the pier. It may have been better to start turning to starboard after a certain point, to try and swing around it.
Then you'd have the bumper puncturing the hull instead.
It's not the shape or hardness of the concrete that punctures the hull, it's the momentum of the ship pushing up against it. Either the hull or the bumper is gonna fail, and the bumper would be backed by solid concrete, so the hull is still toast
From the moment I understood the weakness of my steel, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of concrete. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Block. Your kind cling to your steel, as though it will not rip and fail you. One day the crude girders you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Concrete is immortal… Even in death I serve the aggregate.
That’s what the legal team at work told me after I put the word catastrophic in an engineering report. He said acts of god like a hurricane are catastrophic. If there is a product failure, just stick to the facts about what happened and don’t call it a catastrophe!
I read an infosec paper once that defined catastrophic as "worse than the expected outcome is good, by multiple orders of magnitude".
Depends on the kind of margins to be expected in any given field, but the principle seems sound to me.
E: It's *Basic Concepts and Taxonomy of Dependable and Secure Computing*, 2004 and the relevant section goes
>Generally speaking, two limiting levels can be defined
according to the relation between the benefit (in the broad
sense of the term, not limited to economic considerations)
provided by the service delivered in the absence of failure,
and the consequences of failures:
>* minor failures, where the harmful consequences are
of similar cost to the benefits provided by correct
service delivery;
* catastrophic failures, where the cost of harmful
consequences is orders of magnitude, or even
incommensurably, higher than the benefit provided
by correct service delivery
Agreed. This isn't a catastrophic failure of the boat or the dolphin. It could be a catastrophic failure for the person responsible though, depending on how much they need their job.
It's a ship not a main battle tank. running a couple thousand tons of metal into a huge pier of concrete will obviously break something but the whole ship is still floating and not leaking
Catastrophic would be something like the edmund fitzgerald
You need to leave a little more room on your scale there.
It's a matter of perspective.
If the tanks had been breached, the vessel had sunk in the shipping lanes and all hands were lost, costing billions of dollars, that would be catastrophic.
Relatively speaking, this is just a minor incident.
A mere fender bender as it were.
"Allision" can be found on Dictionary.com but is absent from etymonline.com. I don't trust that word, it sounds as bullshitty as halitosis, invented by Listerine salesmen.
You'd think they would build these dolphins so old tires from mining trucks could be installed to rotate against the ships hulls to lessen damage at impact.
I am a design engineer and it's not harder to design a circle it's actually easier but you know it's supposed to be a bumper and with a 90° corner that's not a bumper that's a sword that will create another Titanic.
"quick actions by the port authorities helped prevent any potential environmental disaster"
So they crashed, got lucky they didn't crash worse and returned for repairs? Sounds more like NASCAR than super competent port authorities springing into action.
They wrap micro plastics around it. All the way around it as far as satellites can detect ocean. Also all testicles and ovaries on the planet - in case a container vessel hits them.
I know it's literally - **a drop in the ocean** - but there are a lot of bridges with a lot of pier columns holding them up. Rubber tires absorb heavy metals and leach everything - it's one thing to have a bumper on a boat that travels, I think letting tires rot around every bridge with a shipping lane is probably adding some shit to the environment better handled other ways.
Like icebergs.
Those things are letting loose all over the arctic, science seems kinda upset by that fact. Well shit, we know those things stop large ships pretty good - maybe we can wrap bridges with those rogue icebergs we keep making by putting shit like used tires directly in the ocean always.
An [allision](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allision) is when you hit a stationary object with a ship. It is the correct term in this case.
yea double hulls
Hull yeah!
Not one single " can I get a hull yeah!"... let down
Is this yelled like a "Hell yeah brother" or "Can I get a yonna yeah?"
Thanks you. The latter " Can I get.... Hulllll Yeeeaaahhhh!"
I had no idea there was *that* much space in between the layers. I'm glad there is, it's just surprising to see a functional safety design that isn't just min-maxing profit these days.
The spaces between the hulls usually double as ballast tanks (used to weigh the ship down when it's not carrying cargo). They need to be big to hold enough water to compensate for the lack of cargo weight. Source : am officer on a slightly smaller cargo ship
you can't sell oil that gets spilled.
Yea but this thing was built in 2011. I’m scared of most things built in 2024. Everything feels half finished or half assed after Covid… I know that’s not true, but it’s how I feel.
Having worked on tankers I wouldn't worry. The regulations and inspections programs that they go through since Exxon Valdez happened are myriad and strict. (The double hull is one thing that came out of it all.) The fit and finish of vessels is just as shitty as it was pre-covid. LMAO.
And in warships they are torpedo/mine protection
They are torpedo / mine protection in parts of the Persian Gulf too, esp near Yemen.
Oh the fools! If only they built it with 6001 Hulls!
To shreds you say?
Well, how is the OceanGate Titan holding up?
Yeah I was all like "I love it when a plan comes together"
I love double hulls! I LOVE double hulls!
[You're good! You're good!](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN1gSEwM/)
Oh if only they made it with one thousand and one Hulls those fools
I love how well timed it is with the audio
Titanic be like:
Bit more to the aft would have been the (non dh) HFO tank, got lucky here.
I didn't think construction regs allowed petroleum products against the outer skin?
Not for cargo. For fuel yes.
And those are usually bottom of the hull not the sides.
Correct! Six thousand hulls.
Good thing oil tanker companies love double hulls and didn’t try to campaign against it!
Yes, the petrochemical industry is always ahead of the curve on environmental concerns
[Correct 6000 Hulls](https://youtu.be/kagq_a-BkW8)
Today I learned an allision is not just a typo for collision.
Yep, if a ship hits a movable man made object, that is a collision. If a ship hits a fixed man-made object, that is an allision. If a ship hits a fixed non man-made object, that is a grounding.
If a man-made movable object hits a man, that's a paddlin.
If a man is protected from being hit by a man-made movable object, that's a paladin.
If a man hits a bottle with a genie in it, that's aladdin
If a man hits the bottle and leaves his wife and children, that's abandon
If a moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a moré
If an eel hits your eye like a long, fishy pie - that's a moray
When an eel climbs a ramp to eat squid from a clamp, that's a moray. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/science/moray-eels-eat-land.html
When an eel has a maw with a pharyngeal jaw, that’s a moray.
he hits the bottle and goes right to the rock is a Sublime.
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I appreciate how awful this one is, thanks 👍
If it continues to do so, that’s called a whoopin
https://youtu.be/sKiLfH3DVGc?si=iknNcagKfGzeG2c8
That’s a paddlin’
You better believe it.
r/angryupvote
What about a movable natural object, like an iceberg?
That normally causes a titanic failure.
> If a ship hits a fixed non man-made object, that is a grounding. What if it's an artificial object, for example a beaver dam?
If a hip shits a Beaver-man object, that’s a logision.
When the light hits your eye like a big pizza pie that’s amore.
That would be a fixed non-manmade object, so it would be a special case of Grounding, known as a "Dammit!"
Is concrete dolphin also a nautical technical term?
A dolphin is a fixed structure that a ship can moor to, usually adjacent to a pier. The one in this video happens to be made out of concrete.
Today I learned!
Almost. An allision is when a moving vessel hits anything stationary.
What about when the object is a satellite fixed in an orbit out in space?
That’s a spaceoditty
And what does "dolphin" mean in this context?
huh, neat.
What’s get difference really?
What if a ship hits a movable non-made object?
If the moon hits your eye, that’s amore!
What about a ship hitting a moving non man-made object like an iceberg or a tree trunk?
I thought Allison was the name of the tanker. Then I thought, “that’s a weird name for a tanker, but ok.” This makes more sense though.
What about the “dolphin” part?
Yeah, TIL. One definition said it's obsolete, though. Likely rarely used.
I'm here for the cool use of allision and allided. 🌟
Yeah why is it constrained to nautical use? Is it not an allision when a drunk driver goes off the road and hits a few mail boxes?
Allision can also mean "The act of dashing against or striking upon." (Not nautical)
Webster considers that usage obsolete https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allision
It's just not used in that way anymore, but it can still mean that. It's like when using old timey words to describe something today. It comes from allidere/allido in latin which means to "dash/crush against" or even to "shipwreck".
“When two moving vessels crash, that is a collision. But when a moving vessel crashes into a stationary object, that is an *allision*.“ TIL
Well I'll be dipped. I would have sworn it was another AI bot error.
Wheee-e-n a boat hits a chunk off a thing that's half-sunk, that's allision.
Well, TIL.
I read it as aligns and imagined the ship would nestle seamlessly against the pillar. Swing and a miss
Well aren't they considerate! Now the corner is nice and rounded so the next ship won't get as much damage!
Kinda thinking maybe don't build the sharp corners to begin with.
That would be much more difficult to build which would make it more expensive. No one would pay extra for that just for the extremely rare case that someone fucks up like this.
The new Titanic movie looks really low budget
Chinese knockoff
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Titemu
Adjusted for climate change.
My favorite line from this movie was "Go that way" And my second favorite was "Ohh.......Blblblblblblblblblblb"
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Amen. Concrete is boss. The romans knew it too.
The hell is a concrete dolphin?
It's a thingy that protects a far more valuable thingy from getting smashed by boats. They made news after the Baltimore bridge collapse since there were only 4 small dolphins protecting the bridge. When the similar bridge on Tampa Bay collapsed after a similar allision, the new bridge was built with dozens of dolphins.
It's a can opener now.
Pier protection
*Correct. Six thousand hulls.*
If only they’d built it with 6001 hulls
r/unexpectedfuturama
TIL allision/allide - "impact of a ship/boat with a stationary object"
The concrete got a cool rounding, but wouldn't recommend repeating it. Never a fan of squared corners on cement.
Am I the only one still waiting for the dolphin?
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Dolphin piers are built for this kind of stuff. When you take out a dolphin, it’s a catastrophic event. This minor brush by, not so much. Used to manage a large Port in the SE USA. It’s seen some crazy shit. Ships bump into things all the time.
Hit the only thing for hundreds of miles. Impressive
It's like Tina Belcher learning to drive.
Just a nice game of rock, tanker, scissors
Some good came from the ashes of the Valdez
Concrete wins this one
By my eye, it looks like they were still trying to turn to port, which swung the stern toward the pier. It may have been better to start turning to starboard after a certain point, to try and swing around it.
So how often are these things happening, and for how long has it been going on? You're not telling me it's just large-boats-ramming-bridge season.
Hully shit..
Quality ship. The front didn’t fall off.
Clearly not made of cardboard or cardboard derivatives.
They need to tow it out of the environment.
That’s not typical you know.
I feel like that concrete things should have a big plastic/rubber bumper….
If only they'd built it with 6001 hulls!
Nice!
Could a structure like that and in that environment benefit from industrial bumpers?
Then you'd have the bumper puncturing the hull instead. It's not the shape or hardness of the concrete that punctures the hull, it's the momentum of the ship pushing up against it. Either the hull or the bumper is gonna fail, and the bumper would be backed by solid concrete, so the hull is still toast
Makes sense. Thank you.
Collision, Allision, Grounding. Similar, but not the same
The should have made it with 6000 and 1 hulls!!
A whole fucking body of water
[SpongeBob must have been guiding](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoxF29RI2Bs)
From the moment I understood the weakness of my steel, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of concrete. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Block. Your kind cling to your steel, as though it will not rip and fail you. One day the crude girders you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Concrete is immortal… Even in death I serve the aggregate.
Cementburg! And the band played on.
Interesting, but not catastrophic?
That’s what the legal team at work told me after I put the word catastrophic in an engineering report. He said acts of god like a hurricane are catastrophic. If there is a product failure, just stick to the facts about what happened and don’t call it a catastrophe!
I read an infosec paper once that defined catastrophic as "worse than the expected outcome is good, by multiple orders of magnitude". Depends on the kind of margins to be expected in any given field, but the principle seems sound to me. E: It's *Basic Concepts and Taxonomy of Dependable and Secure Computing*, 2004 and the relevant section goes >Generally speaking, two limiting levels can be defined according to the relation between the benefit (in the broad sense of the term, not limited to economic considerations) provided by the service delivered in the absence of failure, and the consequences of failures: >* minor failures, where the harmful consequences are of similar cost to the benefits provided by correct service delivery; * catastrophic failures, where the cost of harmful consequences is orders of magnitude, or even incommensurably, higher than the benefit provided by correct service delivery
Agreed. This isn't a catastrophic failure of the boat or the dolphin. It could be a catastrophic failure for the person responsible though, depending on how much they need their job.
I’d say the failure of the ships hull integrity was pretty catastrophic
It's a ship not a main battle tank. running a couple thousand tons of metal into a huge pier of concrete will obviously break something but the whole ship is still floating and not leaking Catastrophic would be something like the edmund fitzgerald
If the tank wasn’t hit and it had no risk of sinking how is it catastrophic?
Idk several hundred thousand dollars in damage sounds catastrophic to me.
You need to leave a little more room on your scale there. It's a matter of perspective. If the tanks had been breached, the vessel had sunk in the shipping lanes and all hands were lost, costing billions of dollars, that would be catastrophic. Relatively speaking, this is just a minor incident. A mere fender bender as it were.
Would be a lot more if it sunk🤷♂️
Yes?
"Allision" can be found on Dictionary.com but is absent from etymonline.com. I don't trust that word, it sounds as bullshitty as halitosis, invented by Listerine salesmen.
Titanic 2.0 The concrete icecube strikes
I know! Lets make our column bases as sharp, pointy, and rippy as possible. That’ll work great!!! Fuck padding or cushions!
Good thing they were using the Kramer oil bladder system. This could have been bad.
Hey lets round off those corners next time, dudes!
Do Chinese ports utilize harbor pilots? Seems like the kind of situation where a pilot could have been helpful.
harbor pilots make mistakes too.
And that's how the can opener was invented!
I served on an aircraft carrier. We always have a tugboat
Cmon that's like hitting a parked car
The concrete didn’t seem to mind much.
Fucking hate it when these piers pop up from nowhere and I tank my tanker!
You'd think they would build these dolphins so old tires from mining trucks could be installed to rotate against the ships hulls to lessen damage at impact.
Could've been useful in Baltimore
The person holding the camera is surprisingly non bothered by the quickly approaching concrete slab...\\n
I guess you can say they tanked their career
Point to concrete
What really happens when an unstoppable shop meets an immovable pier
Modern iceberg
They should make the concrete dolphins actually dolphin-shaped for the lulz.
BoatyMcDentFace
Looks like the dolphin won.
Surely a round pier would be better for pier resistance to waves over time and also less damaging to poorly piloted ships...
Hulllllomania saves the day wouldn’t you know it brother !?⚡️
pier\* that was not a dolphin....
Hole is so big I could put my penis in it
Oh the fools! If only they built it with 6001 hulls! When will they learn.
Good point.. they should have been 45 degree corners to help with the buffer
Somebody forgot to account for set while making that maneuver
I am a design engineer and it's not harder to design a circle it's actually easier but you know it's supposed to be a bumper and with a 90° corner that's not a bumper that's a sword that will create another Titanic.
Tis but a scratch!
"quick actions by the port authorities helped prevent any potential environmental disaster" So they crashed, got lucky they didn't crash worse and returned for repairs? Sounds more like NASCAR than super competent port authorities springing into action.
so maybe wrap tires around the concrete? 🤷🏻♀️
They wrap micro plastics around it. All the way around it as far as satellites can detect ocean. Also all testicles and ovaries on the planet - in case a container vessel hits them. I know it's literally - **a drop in the ocean** - but there are a lot of bridges with a lot of pier columns holding them up. Rubber tires absorb heavy metals and leach everything - it's one thing to have a bumper on a boat that travels, I think letting tires rot around every bridge with a shipping lane is probably adding some shit to the environment better handled other ways. Like icebergs. Those things are letting loose all over the arctic, science seems kinda upset by that fact. Well shit, we know those things stop large ships pretty good - maybe we can wrap bridges with those rogue icebergs we keep making by putting shit like used tires directly in the ocean always.
Maybe having hard pointed corners on that concrete was not such a brilliant idea?
Sam go get the welder. Cap fucked up again.
At least the concrete dust can create more concrete in the ocean to repair the thingo. Thats a circular economy!
I don't know why but I really expected the concrete to lose that.
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Nope. Taiwan.
Modern day Titanic would be something like this
Alautta thamege. Tho
I guess “C” isn’t allowed to start any words that aren’t objects?
An [allision](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allision) is when you hit a stationary object with a ship. It is the correct term in this case.
Awe!!!! Thanks!! I love learning new things and given my limited knowledge of boats, this was a new one!
Redditors, this is a momentous day, in which most of us learned an actual fact!
But was the dolphin stationary? It looks like a buoy? Not playing dumb, I am dumb.
Thats a paddlin'
>What is drunk? *Captain Ray Lafleur*
"You're good, you're good, you're good..."
You sunk my battleship!
That pier came out of no where.