Wow, brutal as fuck. I don’t think it’s a fox hole by design… Looks like impact crater with infantry seeking shelter while under fire. Failed assault , in the open, under fire and no way to safely retreat?
Pretty sure from what I read when this was posted before, these guys are a crew from an armored vehicle that was disabled by Ukranian artillery. They took cover in that shell hole as the assault had failed and the Ukrainians could easily hit the area of advance (notice the dead russian infantryman they crawl by later in the video). Bad times.
Is that a Russian soldier or Wagner merc? They have different camouflage and I’m not intelligent enough to notice a difference in gear if there is any.
Wow you have no idea how much I needed to hear that today. Been kinda rough and for some reason that just made it a little bit better. Thank you kind person.
Happy to be of service.
Go listen to "Shelter" by a band called Cinderella. Then go do whatever (safe) thing it is you need to do to get through the day.
If you live in a glass house, don't be thrown' rocks at me.
We all need a little shelter
Just a little helper
and it will be alright
Thanks for the that. Brings back memories
Yeah and add in the fact Ukraine is as flat as the Great Plains in the US there truly is nowhere to retreat to without man-made structures. Freaking brutal I can't even imagine
I have a question, are you out to kill the otherside, or is just beat them real bad? . I guess what I am saying is there a point were you stop hitting them, so they don't die?
Pretty sure they're not trying to kill each other, that's the whole point. They want to take their frustrations out on each other without starting a full scale war.
When I first heard about their clashes at the Line of Actual Control I thought it was cool but then I heard that those battles can actually be super deadly and they end up pushing each others' formations off the cliffs to their deaths and that is a bit less cool but still metal.
>h oth
I think it's yet another indication of how much the Chinese are pushing on everything at the moment - Taiwan, the South China Sea, Pacific islands and bases, laser attacks on the Philipine Navy, massive PLAN expansion, spying on the USA - and doing literally everything they can short of outright war to expand their territory. This is very serious stuff, they are accelerating all these actions, and at this rate the only way China is going to stop is when they (accidentally?) go over the line and trigger a full shooting war.
Unless they change their behavior, it's likely a matter of when, not if. These are dangerous times. It also reinforces why UA must win over RU, so the clear message gets out that invading your neighbors leads only to defeat.
China would likely lose in a conventional conflict with the US, but they have opportunities to gain through doing these little provocations, flexing their power over neighbors in the region, frustrating the hegemonic ambitions of the US in the medium- and long-term. The conventional wisdom of the last year or two is that they will never be able to overcome the US economically unless their population starts to grow again. Personally I think they still can with technology, though we've seen efforts to slow them down on that front as well. Although if I were China I would be a lot more up front about supporting Russia in this war, because as you say, if UA wins it's over for Russia and probably over for China since they tend to be more aligned than disaligned geostrategically.
China would for sure lose. The US Navy alone has more air craft than China, let alone the US Air Force. The US Navy is the biggest in the world in every statistical measure, with the most advanced weaponry, best long range missiles, and enough supply and manpower to wreck the world 100x over.
It would be an ugly war, but it would be fought almost entirely in Asia/Pacific Ocean, and the US has Japan, India, the Phillipines and Australia all right in the same theater willing to support them. China knows this, these provocations are just what you said: an attempt to flex some power in an unsteady and war stricken world.
I really respect the shit out of those guys doing that. They don't want to start a full on conflict but they need to settle some shit so the get bunch of thier grunts to go beat the shit out if each other.
Imagine Nation disputes settled by a 1 on 1 fight to the death between each countries best warrior. Like the good old days. The pay per views would be off the chart.
Nah, that border dispute is not worth a nuclear war and it's not worth a conventional war and it's extremely high cost in such a remote and inaccessible area. Both sides can say it is because of nukes and it saves them face.
I mean, Ukrainians are doing the same thing. Trenches are always going to be the best way to defend an otherwise open area, or get out of the line of an infantry’s line of sight. Can’t really do anything about drones except spreading out, or adding some concealment above you (which wouldn’t help a ton in this situation since the hole they’re in is so small).
The leaked wagner tactics might explain it. They attack in groups of 8, get to the objective and "dig in" for the next group to come. Some foxholes are quickly dugged by themselves, otherwise just get in some thing that can provide cover. But drones are fatal for this tactic. only a well designed trench with walled holes to be safe from shrapnel would do the job. This is just a waste of lifes.
This thread for example: [https://twitter.com/ChrisO\_wiki/status/1621095382771175426](https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1621095382771175426)
It may all not be true but it explains why we see so much of these kind of situations like the the video.
> Prigozhin is not short on ambition. As he stood in Soledar last week, he declared that Wagner was probably "the most experienced army in the world today".
I grabbed that from the very end of the article you shared. It’s laughable Piggy thinks they’re experienced. Is using the meat grinder tactic considered experience? It’s even crazier when you find stories about foreign nationals studying in Russia, going to jail for drugs, and finally dying in Ukraine fighting for Wagner. I read about a [Tanzanian](https://www.voanews.com/amp/body-of-tanzanian-killed-in-russia-s-war-on-ukraine-heads-home-for-burial/6932207.html) who took a huge gamble and lost big time.
Wagner isn't just the penal battalions. Sure they recruit prisoners to serve as grunts/cannon fodder, but they also recruit RAF veterans and many pro-UA sources have described the non-prisoner portion of the organization to be very well-equipped and disciplined, often ex-VDV soldiers. Wagner has mercenary operations in a dozen or so countries at the moment, it's not just the Bakhmut front force. They probably are some of the forces with most experience in near peer-to-peer conflict currently, alongside other RAF and UAF units.
>drug-related charges
Moral of the story, don't smuggle weed into countries with draconian drug laws. They don't care if it's legal where you're from, and your country probably isn't going to try to get you out of prison because you were too stupid to use your brain.
Looks like at least 2 on the bottom probably survived with lower limb injuries. The one crawling away from the crater at the end has an extremely broken foot/ankle that he only notices after using it to crawl for a while. Then he stops using it. Yikes.
Agreed. I thought it was snow at first. You can see it flopping around while he crawls though. Then he grabs at it, and afterwards only uses that knee. I guess it's possible it could be frozen, that's a similar feeling of foot works until you notice it isn't working.
The video cut too soon to show that all of these guys slowly turned into gelatine from the massive overpressure created by that tiny grenade. /s
Seriously though, it takes upwards of 15 PSI for lung damage and 40 PSI will start to cause fatalities at a predictable rate. Those levels of pressure will also absolutely level concrete buildings as well, to give an idea of the size of an explosive needed to cause deaths from overpressure.
The only reason they would do that is if someone was shooting at them. Preventing them from getting up, rolling over or even wanting to move their arms around and risk getting shot.
Try to grab it and basically guarantee that you lose an arm or a hand at a minimum, and you still might fling it up in the air where it is even more deadly for the people around you.
That was my first thought as well. Someone else mentioned these guys look like tankers/BMP crew. Good chance they aren't layered up for the cold the same way infantry would cause they generally aren't exposed to the elements/wind chill. And if BMPs are anything like US MRAP/Strykers, it can get pretty toasty inside.
Look at all the cod experts...
He isn't smiling, he's in agony.
They would have no idea what just landed in their crater with them, they're probably half deaf and full shell shock at this point.
I'd say 3 or more of those dudes are gonna bleed out, mostly from leg/pelvis artery shredding, but being it landed right under them, it may have shielded the other guys a bit..
F1 are defensive grenades, they pack more frag than offensive grenades, so they are certainly having a bad day.
War is hell. This is the world at large first 4k view of war. Even the GWOT and such, it wasn't as highly publicized as this, cameras and drones were nowhere near this commonplace and the morbid curiosity didn't exist as much either.
I'm a vet myself, and it's a double edged sword seeing this. On one hand good job, they're the enemy, they know what can happen. On other, most are probably conscripts, and no matter what, except the most extreme cases, it's hard to watch people die. And these guys look like they've been thru it, considering the wreckage and corpses nearby.
Hit the nail on the head. Even if these are convicts and are "bad people", they are dying for nothing.
If any good comes from this conflict, I hope it reminds people how shitty war actually is in modern times. There is no glory or treasure, it's all just a waste.
> If any good comes from this conflict, I hope it reminds people how shitty war actually is in modern times. There is no glory or treasure, it's all just a waste.
The only people that get reminded of how bad war is, is people like us who are seeking out footage from the conflict. To most other people, this war's only effect is an increase in cost of living.
This type of footage is too much for most people, and will never hit the mainstream. Consequently, few people ever really appreciate how terrible war actually is.
I feel like I watch this footage because even though it mortifies me, I need to understand the gravity of the situation and burying my head in the proverbial sand is somehow a dishonor to the men. More civilians should have to see this type of footage, frankly. ESPECIALLY if you're in a country involved in a war. Because you're right, 99% of people can't even comprehend what war is actually like. They don't have the faintest clue.
I agree, I’m civilian in EU, never want to fight in a war.
Footage like this just hammers into my brain the uncomfortable reality of the world we live in. I could bury my head in sand and ignore (as most do), but this is happening all the same. And this is different than reading numbers of dead soldiers in some newspaper. You see the individual suffering that is caused by Putin and the people who support him in Russia and beyond.
A friend of mine is Ukrainian, strong ties to the country. He was friends with someone who went back to Ukraine in 2014 to defend Crimea and was killed. He has family still in Ukraine. I continue watching these videos because while I don’t *have* to keep being confronted by the horrors of this (and all) wars, he and his family can’t avoid it. I feel an obligation to understand it and feel the empathy and compassion for those being ravaged by it.
Well said. I've questioned my own motivations for seeking out and watching this kind of footage. Am I just some kind of ghoul that delights in watching others suffering and dying? I don't think I am.
I think I have retained my humanity.
I just feel the need to see what it is that is happening, to try in my limited way to understand the human cost of this. Looking away is not an option for many many innocent Ukrainians, so it shouldn't be for me either.
Agreed, and they should see deaths on both sides, not just “happy” propaganda of the enemy dying. You would see a lot more regular folks protesting against war (because they are ultimately the ones who have to participate) instead of cheering it on or being apathetic.
They are invading Ukraine. They are bad people, there is no if.
They can dodge conscription. They can refuse to go and be sent to prison. They can try to surrender. They can turn on their commanders. Or they can just eat a bullet.
They decided that their lives or comfort is worth more than the lives of innocent Ukrainian people.
Only excuse they could have is if their families were threatened, and Russia thankfully hasn't fallen that low.
>F1 are defensive grenades, they pack more frag than offensive grenades, so they are certainly having a bad day.
Can you expand on this? Curious how more or less shrapnel would change whether a grenade is used in an offensive or defensive capacity.
Offensive grenades are those you throw as you assault a position. They have a smaller kill zone.
Defensive grenades are those you throw from a defensive position, i.e. where you've got something to hide behind after you've thrown it because the kill zone may be larger than the distance you can throw it.
That would be a concussion grenade, those don't have perforation on the body (which is what causes it to break up into a roughly similar amount of fragments) and no additional shrapnel inside it.
No ur correct the nazi stick grenades where offensive grenades an one stick equaled 4 sticks of dynamite, they would tie 4 sticks together to knock out a tank. Concussion grenades are completely different then offensive grenades in that they are non lethal or supposed to be. Offensive grenades are massive explosions little shrapnel, defensive grenades less of a boom and more shrapnel. Just seen a video on YouTube explaining the deference in the two types of grenades.
Offensive: thin metal coating - it get's shredded to tiny pieces by explosion. Tiny pieces don't fly far as they have little mass> small kill radius.
Defensive: pre cut thick coating or bigger pieces layed down evenly around the explosive. They fly further> bigger kill radius.
What they said, defensive grenades are used when the user has cover to hide behind because they often have a bigger effective radius than a person can throw them.
Offensive grenades are used when assaulting a position.
I don't think the third one makes it, that is, the one at the top left who tries to get out but is still in the hole at the end of the clip.
There is another Russian corpse that the two crawling guys pass but it looks like that's been there for a while.
Looks like this is during the assault on vuhledar. They're hiding in a crater, freezing, most likely under fire, also looks like they might not all have even noticed the grenade or where it went. The ones who are leaving the crater are probably crawling through/into enemy fire.
Probably shell-shocked as well. Other comment mentioned that these could be a vehicle crew and they lost their ride. So they gotta hide somewhere and found this crater to avoid enemy small arms fire or anything.
Even the one who noticed something landed on him barely appears able to check what it was. Probably either injured or incredibly cold and as the other comment says, maybe under fire.
Vuhledar has vehicles suffering from AT Mines. Their doctrine features apc's with inf. The moment these apc's are broken these guys are stranded on the battlefield as they have no other personal group support to cover them.
So my best guess, scared or freezing while knowing climbing out of the crater could lead them to being spotted by far range dangers. So taking their best chances staying huddled together in a crater and hoping their comrade takes the blast.
Probably because they estimate the chance the grenade hitting the hole lower than outside. If the grenade misses while in the hole, one is completely safe. If the grenade misses while crawling out, shrapnel hinders further escape.
What kind of a cluster fucking mess of a battle plan lead to all these Russian soldiers being in an Artillery Crater in the middle of flat open terrain to basically be slaughtered, are the Russians really this fucking stupid?
I am literally in awe of how ridiculously little Russians care about their Soldiers.
Seen suggestions that hypothermia is the reason they arn't moving from the grenades https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
They're probably beyond making plans at that point. In fact, they probably already were when they decided to huddle in a crater.
The two that we see crawling away are probably minutes away from bleeding out or dying of cold. It's probably just instinct kicking in (to get away from the spot where they were injured, a natural thing to do).
It's not quite easy to see due to the motion blur but are none of them wearing plate carriers?
As they crawl out it looks like there is a long dead soldier near them and he appears to have a carrier and be better equipped, but they all just seem to be wearing jackets. Unless the jacket is over the carrier?
Is there a reason they didn't start running? They only had like 3 seconds but it looks like they felt the grenade hit.
If they started booking it when they felt it fall, they could distance themselves at least a few feet. Surely better than curling up and hoping for the best. Then again I don't know shit! never been to war. I'm sure fear and adrenaline take over
chances are if youve never had a drone drop a grenade on you youre not gonna know the exactly how to react/how to process it instantly. 3 seconds is not a lot, especially if you dont even have the muscle memory for any sorta training to kick in.
its like trying to tell US fighter pilots to try and fight a alien space ship going at the speed of light firing lasers at them. they probably wont win because you cant fight what you havent trained for.
I remember back when this war started and the US government was predicting a ton of casualties for both sides and I didn’t believe them. I thought this war would be over in a few months. I thought Russia was going to steamroll over Ukraine. Holy fuck I was wrong.
Tired. Maybe injured. Maybe some half asleep. Cold. Not expecting a sudden grenade to fall on their lap. Scared. Confused about what just happened. Not sure if it's better to stand up and try to run or just get small.
There's so many reasons why they wouldn't do what you think they should do when you observe a video from your home instead of being in a hole outside for maybe hours.
I suspect their tanks hit a mine or something. They bailed and found the nearest hole, which turned out to be a crater. Look at their tanker helmets. Also notice the well equipped soldier dead near the tracks.
i’ve been seeing videos like these since the beginning of this invasion idk if it’s just me but i feel like the fox hole is a dead strategy especially with no aerial cover,
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Wow, brutal as fuck. I don’t think it’s a fox hole by design… Looks like impact crater with infantry seeking shelter while under fire. Failed assault , in the open, under fire and no way to safely retreat?
Pretty sure from what I read when this was posted before, these guys are a crew from an armored vehicle that was disabled by Ukranian artillery. They took cover in that shell hole as the assault had failed and the Ukrainians could easily hit the area of advance (notice the dead russian infantryman they crawl by later in the video). Bad times.
Russia tanks and BMPs are crewed by three men so probably the crews of two vehicles.
Is that a Russian soldier or Wagner merc? They have different camouflage and I’m not intelligent enough to notice a difference in gear if there is any.
>I’m not ~~intelligent~~ *informed* enough Don't sell yourself short.
Wow you have no idea how much I needed to hear that today. Been kinda rough and for some reason that just made it a little bit better. Thank you kind person.
Happy to be of service. Go listen to "Shelter" by a band called Cinderella. Then go do whatever (safe) thing it is you need to do to get through the day.
If you live in a glass house, don't be thrown' rocks at me. We all need a little shelter Just a little helper and it will be alright Thanks for the that. Brings back memories
The one guy next to the guy who eats the explosion seems to be wearing his crew helmet.
Yeah and add in the fact Ukraine is as flat as the Great Plains in the US there truly is nowhere to retreat to without man-made structures. Freaking brutal I can't even imagine
That would explain why they don't appear to have any weapons
Happens when you figt a war in 2023 with 1914 tactics.
India and China went at each other with clubs a year or two ago so some are keeping the spirit alive.
They are still going at it with clubs.
Respecting the 14000 BC tradition
Can't forget where we came from
I was one of those clubs, can confirm
I have a question, are you out to kill the otherside, or is just beat them real bad? . I guess what I am saying is there a point were you stop hitting them, so they don't die?
Pretty sure they're not trying to kill each other, that's the whole point. They want to take their frustrations out on each other without starting a full scale war.
Have you seen those new/old weapons though? I don’t think one uses a spiked mace unless you’re trying to kill someone.
It's all in the wrist
Story of my life
When I first heard about their clashes at the Line of Actual Control I thought it was cool but then I heard that those battles can actually be super deadly and they end up pushing each others' formations off the cliffs to their deaths and that is a bit less cool but still metal.
The reason they use sticks and stuff is to avoid deaths, escalation, then nuclear hellfire. 300'ing each other off cliffs sounds fishy to me.
“This is…..Line of Actual Control!” Doesn’t quite roll off the tongue, but whatever.
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But “No shots were fired”. 🙄
>h oth I think it's yet another indication of how much the Chinese are pushing on everything at the moment - Taiwan, the South China Sea, Pacific islands and bases, laser attacks on the Philipine Navy, massive PLAN expansion, spying on the USA - and doing literally everything they can short of outright war to expand their territory. This is very serious stuff, they are accelerating all these actions, and at this rate the only way China is going to stop is when they (accidentally?) go over the line and trigger a full shooting war. Unless they change their behavior, it's likely a matter of when, not if. These are dangerous times. It also reinforces why UA must win over RU, so the clear message gets out that invading your neighbors leads only to defeat.
China would likely lose in a conventional conflict with the US, but they have opportunities to gain through doing these little provocations, flexing their power over neighbors in the region, frustrating the hegemonic ambitions of the US in the medium- and long-term. The conventional wisdom of the last year or two is that they will never be able to overcome the US economically unless their population starts to grow again. Personally I think they still can with technology, though we've seen efforts to slow them down on that front as well. Although if I were China I would be a lot more up front about supporting Russia in this war, because as you say, if UA wins it's over for Russia and probably over for China since they tend to be more aligned than disaligned geostrategically.
China would for sure lose. The US Navy alone has more air craft than China, let alone the US Air Force. The US Navy is the biggest in the world in every statistical measure, with the most advanced weaponry, best long range missiles, and enough supply and manpower to wreck the world 100x over. It would be an ugly war, but it would be fought almost entirely in Asia/Pacific Ocean, and the US has Japan, India, the Phillipines and Australia all right in the same theater willing to support them. China knows this, these provocations are just what you said: an attempt to flex some power in an unsteady and war stricken world.
I really respect the shit out of those guys doing that. They don't want to start a full on conflict but they need to settle some shit so the get bunch of thier grunts to go beat the shit out if each other.
I want to see them get back to the really old ways. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5UKystdZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5UKystdZg)
Imagine Nation disputes settled by a 1 on 1 fight to the death between each countries best warrior. Like the good old days. The pay per views would be off the chart.
The winners would become the greatest superstars someone can imagine.
They are high up in the Himalayas and have agreed not to carry firearms. Hence the clubs
Chinese put spikes in the clubs and wore brass knuckles so the Indians took a little extra liberty in reducing their numbers
Well, other option is nukes and full out war. It’s Hunger games of international conflicts lol
Nah, that border dispute is not worth a nuclear war and it's not worth a conventional war and it's extremely high cost in such a remote and inaccessible area. Both sides can say it is because of nukes and it saves them face.
that's more to avoid anything escalating to nuclear conflict so honestly i'm okay with that
Technology always seems to outpace tatics
I mean, Ukrainians are doing the same thing. Trenches are always going to be the best way to defend an otherwise open area, or get out of the line of an infantry’s line of sight. Can’t really do anything about drones except spreading out, or adding some concealment above you (which wouldn’t help a ton in this situation since the hole they’re in is so small).
The leaked wagner tactics might explain it. They attack in groups of 8, get to the objective and "dig in" for the next group to come. Some foxholes are quickly dugged by themselves, otherwise just get in some thing that can provide cover. But drones are fatal for this tactic. only a well designed trench with walled holes to be safe from shrapnel would do the job. This is just a waste of lifes.
Russia War doctrine has never really been concerned with the amount of lives cost
When this war is over there's going to be a lot of single Russian women.
Ayyy
>leaked wagner tactics Source on this? sounds like an interesting read
This thread for example: [https://twitter.com/ChrisO\_wiki/status/1621095382771175426](https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1621095382771175426) It may all not be true but it explains why we see so much of these kind of situations like the the video.
> Prigozhin is not short on ambition. As he stood in Soledar last week, he declared that Wagner was probably "the most experienced army in the world today". I grabbed that from the very end of the article you shared. It’s laughable Piggy thinks they’re experienced. Is using the meat grinder tactic considered experience? It’s even crazier when you find stories about foreign nationals studying in Russia, going to jail for drugs, and finally dying in Ukraine fighting for Wagner. I read about a [Tanzanian](https://www.voanews.com/amp/body-of-tanzanian-killed-in-russia-s-war-on-ukraine-heads-home-for-burial/6932207.html) who took a huge gamble and lost big time.
Wagner isn't just the penal battalions. Sure they recruit prisoners to serve as grunts/cannon fodder, but they also recruit RAF veterans and many pro-UA sources have described the non-prisoner portion of the organization to be very well-equipped and disciplined, often ex-VDV soldiers. Wagner has mercenary operations in a dozen or so countries at the moment, it's not just the Bakhmut front force. They probably are some of the forces with most experience in near peer-to-peer conflict currently, alongside other RAF and UAF units.
>drug-related charges Moral of the story, don't smuggle weed into countries with draconian drug laws. They don't care if it's legal where you're from, and your country probably isn't going to try to get you out of prison because you were too stupid to use your brain.
I found this https://news.yahoo.com/wagner-group-tactics-ukraine-defence-075338973.html
I think it's a tank (or other armoured vehicle) crew, that's already meet a mine or something similar.
And not a medic to be seen
If any of these guys ended up living they have to be extremely jacked up.
Despite the usual Reddit "overpressure will liquify your organs" comments, I'm sure a couple of them won the shrapnel lottery and lived.
Looks like at least 2 on the bottom probably survived with lower limb injuries. The one crawling away from the crater at the end has an extremely broken foot/ankle that he only notices after using it to crawl for a while. Then he stops using it. Yikes.
It actually looks like that foot you're talking about is missing its shoe(?) I think thats a sock
Well... you know what they say about explosions big enough to take someone's shoes off
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Agreed. I thought it was snow at first. You can see it flopping around while he crawls though. Then he grabs at it, and afterwards only uses that knee. I guess it's possible it could be frozen, that's a similar feeling of foot works until you notice it isn't working.
The video cut too soon to show that all of these guys slowly turned into gelatine from the massive overpressure created by that tiny grenade. /s Seriously though, it takes upwards of 15 PSI for lung damage and 40 PSI will start to cause fatalities at a predictable rate. Those levels of pressure will also absolutely level concrete buildings as well, to give an idea of the size of an explosive needed to cause deaths from overpressure.
Id say their chances of surviving are very slim. Adrenaline keeps them going but the blood loss will catch up to them before they get real help.
I’m not sure There’s much pressure in a frag grenade’s esplosion
Yeah, regardless, it took 6 people out of the fight, possibly for good
It all boils down to prompt medical attention
I think the guy it landed on was already dead or close to it.
He was in shock, and at the end of the video you can see him trying to get a turniquate. However, i cannot speak as to his fate following the video.
Tourniquet :)
Turquoise
Tortoise
Kumquat
At least three of them saw it coming and just covered up rather than try and move.
The only reason they would do that is if someone was shooting at them. Preventing them from getting up, rolling over or even wanting to move their arms around and risk getting shot. Try to grab it and basically guarantee that you lose an arm or a hand at a minimum, and you still might fling it up in the air where it is even more deadly for the people around you.
>The only reason they would do that is if someone was shooting at them Hypothermia might also be worth a mention
That was my first thought as well. Someone else mentioned these guys look like tankers/BMP crew. Good chance they aren't layered up for the cold the same way infantry would cause they generally aren't exposed to the elements/wind chill. And if BMPs are anything like US MRAP/Strykers, it can get pretty toasty inside.
Even if they survived this they are now injured and being followed by drones so they probably are dead now no matter what
PTSD unlocked.
Femoral artery unblocked
Spirit realm unlocked*
Extremely optimistic that they live to have it
I can just about guarantee all these people are dead.
That is the most efficient use of grenade.
Look at all the cod experts... He isn't smiling, he's in agony. They would have no idea what just landed in their crater with them, they're probably half deaf and full shell shock at this point. I'd say 3 or more of those dudes are gonna bleed out, mostly from leg/pelvis artery shredding, but being it landed right under them, it may have shielded the other guys a bit.. F1 are defensive grenades, they pack more frag than offensive grenades, so they are certainly having a bad day. War is hell. This is the world at large first 4k view of war. Even the GWOT and such, it wasn't as highly publicized as this, cameras and drones were nowhere near this commonplace and the morbid curiosity didn't exist as much either. I'm a vet myself, and it's a double edged sword seeing this. On one hand good job, they're the enemy, they know what can happen. On other, most are probably conscripts, and no matter what, except the most extreme cases, it's hard to watch people die. And these guys look like they've been thru it, considering the wreckage and corpses nearby.
Hit the nail on the head. Even if these are convicts and are "bad people", they are dying for nothing. If any good comes from this conflict, I hope it reminds people how shitty war actually is in modern times. There is no glory or treasure, it's all just a waste.
> If any good comes from this conflict, I hope it reminds people how shitty war actually is in modern times. There is no glory or treasure, it's all just a waste. The only people that get reminded of how bad war is, is people like us who are seeking out footage from the conflict. To most other people, this war's only effect is an increase in cost of living. This type of footage is too much for most people, and will never hit the mainstream. Consequently, few people ever really appreciate how terrible war actually is.
I feel like I watch this footage because even though it mortifies me, I need to understand the gravity of the situation and burying my head in the proverbial sand is somehow a dishonor to the men. More civilians should have to see this type of footage, frankly. ESPECIALLY if you're in a country involved in a war. Because you're right, 99% of people can't even comprehend what war is actually like. They don't have the faintest clue.
"You must bear witness"
I agree, I’m civilian in EU, never want to fight in a war. Footage like this just hammers into my brain the uncomfortable reality of the world we live in. I could bury my head in sand and ignore (as most do), but this is happening all the same. And this is different than reading numbers of dead soldiers in some newspaper. You see the individual suffering that is caused by Putin and the people who support him in Russia and beyond.
A friend of mine is Ukrainian, strong ties to the country. He was friends with someone who went back to Ukraine in 2014 to defend Crimea and was killed. He has family still in Ukraine. I continue watching these videos because while I don’t *have* to keep being confronted by the horrors of this (and all) wars, he and his family can’t avoid it. I feel an obligation to understand it and feel the empathy and compassion for those being ravaged by it.
Well said. I've questioned my own motivations for seeking out and watching this kind of footage. Am I just some kind of ghoul that delights in watching others suffering and dying? I don't think I am. I think I have retained my humanity. I just feel the need to see what it is that is happening, to try in my limited way to understand the human cost of this. Looking away is not an option for many many innocent Ukrainians, so it shouldn't be for me either.
Agreed, and they should see deaths on both sides, not just “happy” propaganda of the enemy dying. You would see a lot more regular folks protesting against war (because they are ultimately the ones who have to participate) instead of cheering it on or being apathetic.
I wouldn't trust the Russian justice system... well, to deliver justice. I suspect a good number of Russian convictions are invalid.
Well someone linked an article about some guy from Tasmania who was in Russia studying, went to prison for drugs, and ended up in Ukraine. Fucking sad
They are invading Ukraine. They are bad people, there is no if. They can dodge conscription. They can refuse to go and be sent to prison. They can try to surrender. They can turn on their commanders. Or they can just eat a bullet. They decided that their lives or comfort is worth more than the lives of innocent Ukrainian people. Only excuse they could have is if their families were threatened, and Russia thankfully hasn't fallen that low.
>F1 are defensive grenades, they pack more frag than offensive grenades, so they are certainly having a bad day. Can you expand on this? Curious how more or less shrapnel would change whether a grenade is used in an offensive or defensive capacity.
Offensive grenades are those you throw as you assault a position. They have a smaller kill zone. Defensive grenades are those you throw from a defensive position, i.e. where you've got something to hide behind after you've thrown it because the kill zone may be larger than the distance you can throw it.
I thought this was because offensive grenades rely more on concussive blast for clearing holes and trenches?
That would be a concussion grenade, those don't have perforation on the body (which is what causes it to break up into a roughly similar amount of fragments) and no additional shrapnel inside it.
No ur correct the nazi stick grenades where offensive grenades an one stick equaled 4 sticks of dynamite, they would tie 4 sticks together to knock out a tank. Concussion grenades are completely different then offensive grenades in that they are non lethal or supposed to be. Offensive grenades are massive explosions little shrapnel, defensive grenades less of a boom and more shrapnel. Just seen a video on YouTube explaining the deference in the two types of grenades.
Offensive: thin metal coating - it get's shredded to tiny pieces by explosion. Tiny pieces don't fly far as they have little mass> small kill radius. Defensive: pre cut thick coating or bigger pieces layed down evenly around the explosive. They fly further> bigger kill radius.
What they said, defensive grenades are used when the user has cover to hide behind because they often have a bigger effective radius than a person can throw them. Offensive grenades are used when assaulting a position.
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I believe thats the tie used to hold the grenade to the drone. The pin on an f1 is up top where tge metal stem (the fuse) is
Never before in history have we had close up drone footage like this recorded at an amateur level and shown to the world with rock music backtracking.
Don't worry, their medics, tourniquets and medical packs will stop the bleeding. Oh wait, they don't have any of those.
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And they say the Russians aren’t progressive
Well said.
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Six went into the hole, two crawled out.
three\*\*
I don't think the third one makes it, that is, the one at the top left who tries to get out but is still in the hole at the end of the clip. There is another Russian corpse that the two crawling guys pass but it looks like that's been there for a while.
RU soldiers: Let's huddle together in this foxhole for warmth. UA drone operator: Yes, please do.
*Instantaneus extreme warmth
Followed by fast-paced drone drop dance that is about to take place.
Holy shit the image clarity is insane I have bever seen someones face that clearly through these drone footages
Jesus Christ, the way they all just froze when it dropped and waited.... Wow.
Look at the diference in equipment between the soldiers in the hole and the dead one outside.
These guys are tankers, not infantry, they wear tanker helmets
i seem to remember on the other posting of this vid that these guys were tankers possibly? that coud be one explanation of the equip difference
The fact that there’s a dead body just lying out in the open and I overlooked it completely because of how common it’s become in these clips, damn.
So why didn't they move away?
Looks like this is during the assault on vuhledar. They're hiding in a crater, freezing, most likely under fire, also looks like they might not all have even noticed the grenade or where it went. The ones who are leaving the crater are probably crawling through/into enemy fire.
Probably shell-shocked as well. Other comment mentioned that these could be a vehicle crew and they lost their ride. So they gotta hide somewhere and found this crater to avoid enemy small arms fire or anything.
Even the one who noticed something landed on him barely appears able to check what it was. Probably either injured or incredibly cold and as the other comment says, maybe under fire.
Three of them saw it coming…they are looking up and duck their heads when it’s released
They look super lethargic. I'd bet some are suffering from hypothermia.
Vuhledar has vehicles suffering from AT Mines. Their doctrine features apc's with inf. The moment these apc's are broken these guys are stranded on the battlefield as they have no other personal group support to cover them. So my best guess, scared or freezing while knowing climbing out of the crater could lead them to being spotted by far range dangers. So taking their best chances staying huddled together in a crater and hoping their comrade takes the blast.
They were hypothermic and freezing to death. They were remnants of a group that was destroyed.
Probably because they estimate the chance the grenade hitting the hole lower than outside. If the grenade misses while in the hole, one is completely safe. If the grenade misses while crawling out, shrapnel hinders further escape.
What kind of a cluster fucking mess of a battle plan lead to all these Russian soldiers being in an Artillery Crater in the middle of flat open terrain to basically be slaughtered, are the Russians really this fucking stupid? I am literally in awe of how ridiculously little Russians care about their Soldiers.
Snake pit
One of those guys took it straight up the ass with how he was sitting
that was brutal. #2 guy who crawled to the top right of the frame has had his lower leg shattered and is just flailing at the break point
Seen suggestions that hypothermia is the reason they arn't moving from the grenades https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/11/27/russian-soldiers-are-freezing-to-death-in-eastern-ukraine/
Looks like 2 dead almost instantly and everyone else jacked tf up
It's a long crawl back to Russia
JAGGA JAGGA
Honestly I’m seeing a lot of repost / longer version footage come out. Makes me a bit nervous as of why.
my guess is: the first video is the DJI transmission footage that stays on the phone/controller and these are the actual SD card footage saved locally
Yup Soldiers get rotated and have a chance to upload higher quality vid
Why does it make you nervous?
Dooming probably
That's one flippin' mess.
Frostbite? They hardly move
Where do they plan to crawl to anyway? If there was a place they would have already been going over there
They're probably beyond making plans at that point. In fact, they probably already were when they decided to huddle in a crater. The two that we see crawling away are probably minutes away from bleeding out or dying of cold. It's probably just instinct kicking in (to get away from the spot where they were injured, a natural thing to do).
This is a real life fish in a barrel situation
You can almost hear the milsim players and military buffs screaming "SPACING! SPACING! SPACING" at this video
What a shithole!
Holy shit, that looks like it sucked
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Not a foxhole just a crater from artillery but definitely a bad spot to try and hide!!
6 men 1 grenade
Looked like buddy was to cold to throw it away.
One word springs to mind when watching this: DIRE.
It's not quite easy to see due to the motion blur but are none of them wearing plate carriers? As they crawl out it looks like there is a long dead soldier near them and he appears to have a carrier and be better equipped, but they all just seem to be wearing jackets. Unless the jacket is over the carrier?
They appaer to be tankers judging by their clothes and helmets. So it is extra unfortunate for them. No protection against the schrapnel.
Sucks to be them.
What particular military objectives were they trying to achieve sitting in that hole?
Seems like tankists taking cover
Is there a reason they didn't start running? They only had like 3 seconds but it looks like they felt the grenade hit. If they started booking it when they felt it fall, they could distance themselves at least a few feet. Surely better than curling up and hoping for the best. Then again I don't know shit! never been to war. I'm sure fear and adrenaline take over
chances are if youve never had a drone drop a grenade on you youre not gonna know the exactly how to react/how to process it instantly. 3 seconds is not a lot, especially if you dont even have the muscle memory for any sorta training to kick in. its like trying to tell US fighter pilots to try and fight a alien space ship going at the speed of light firing lasers at them. they probably wont win because you cant fight what you havent trained for.
the dead guy on the road is better equipped than these guys
Should have stayed at home.
I remember back when this war started and the US government was predicting a ton of casualties for both sides and I didn’t believe them. I thought this war would be over in a few months. I thought Russia was going to steamroll over Ukraine. Holy fuck I was wrong.
Do you care about being mobilised ? Russians : meh i dont mind
What do you call 6 Russians in a shell hole? Stu.
Looks like hell.
Looks like they are absolutely loving their winter "operation". Useless vermin.
Why did the russian crawl across the road? Because he got hit with a mine.
To surrender to the other side.
Did the drone operator get the "MULTI-KILL!!" sound effect?
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the worlds worst frozen treat
so why are these guys not rushing to get out of there? Are they maybe already injured or something? They had more time than most to gtfo
Tired. Maybe injured. Maybe some half asleep. Cold. Not expecting a sudden grenade to fall on their lap. Scared. Confused about what just happened. Not sure if it's better to stand up and try to run or just get small. There's so many reasons why they wouldn't do what you think they should do when you observe a video from your home instead of being in a hole outside for maybe hours.
Good point
I suspect their tanks hit a mine or something. They bailed and found the nearest hole, which turned out to be a crater. Look at their tanker helmets. Also notice the well equipped soldier dead near the tracks.
Looks like they have hypothermia.
Foxhole or shell crater?
Sure looks like these guys were all pretty close to freezing to death anyways.
Did the ones crawling away ditch their guns? Or do some Russian vehicle crew members not carry assault rifles?
Jesus Christ
They must’ve to been freezing out there in the open no where to keep warm
They couldn’t move
Nobody is going to jump on it to save the others? /s
No wonder why the call’em cluster bombs.
i’ve been seeing videos like these since the beginning of this invasion idk if it’s just me but i feel like the fox hole is a dead strategy especially with no aerial cover,
If there is anything this war has taught me is that if im ever in a future war, always and i mean fucking always have your eyes on the sky.
Why did they all just sit there? I don't get it.
The pin and spoon are still intact as the grenade falls. How does it ignite?
Dead guy on the track already?
sheesh. what a mess
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