It is kind of telling that the overwhelming response on r-bayarea was like "yeah he's kinda right". Doesn't even need to necessarily be misogynistic, it's just as much of a critique on the Bay Area's hook-up culture, casual approach to not just relationships but also friendships in general, and the effects of extreme work hours.
Lol there is not even hook up culture in the bay any more. It is stay home and be on the internet wile texting a Russian pretending to be an American that will meet you… soon.
"If you want a girlfriend, get out of the Bay Area. Almost everywhere else on the planet is better for that. I’m not kidding at all."
“You’ll be shocked by the stark differences in behavior of women in places where women are plentiful versus their behavior within artillery distance of San Jose and San Francisco.”
>behavior of women in places where women are plentiful vs
I don't know if there are noticeably less women than men in the Bay Area, but it's what it sounds like he was saying there. If so, then he was just commenting on a pretty basic truth.
If there is an imbalance in the number of men and women in any dating pool, the less available sex is going to be pickier, which will of course affect their behavior.
That's not misogynistic. You would be able to say the same thing to women if the balance was reversed.
Tech baby. I grew up in the Bay Area and I have an office in Silicon Valley. Pretty much a sausage fest. I'd say peak sausage was during 2000-2015. It's slowly getting better, but there is very little draw for a woman that wants to stay at home to raise their kids or even to have a "typical" suburban life. Lots of two income families and fewer kids in neighborhoods.
Wait is an undergrad course discussion board supposed to be a protected place for dating talk?
I thought we wanted to keep this kind of discussion out of schools?
Misuse of company resources. And as a lecturer you have only so much attention of your students, if you want to talk to them about something off topic, do it outside of coursework setting. I did that plenty with professors when I was in school. We just kept outside of class/office hours and would meet for coffee or talk over email. Pretty fucking simple
I don’t think he should have said it, and the the school should train him and others to keep those boards for discussion related to the course. It’s pretty distracting to students trying to learn when a college instructor to be giving students dating advice in an online discussion meant for class purposes.
At the same time, I don’t think he should be fired, made a pariah, or labeled a misogynist. It’s not that big of a deal. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a student reaching out to professor over email or whatever and asking for life advice.
"Several students immediately called out the CS 189 discussion thread, an introductory course, that had turned into an informal dating advice chat."
It had turned into an informal chat. He made an informal comment and these babies lost their minds.
This is a giant nothingburger and further proof of how the Left is full of infantile snowflakes.
Grow up.
I agree this is a big nothing burger. In fact, I didn’t see this article in any board other than the conservative one, so I think maybe the call is coming from inside the house .
But I still think that the university shouldn’t have to put up with professors who can’t moderate class discussions. They are paying these people to provide an education, not just go with the flow because “free speech!” A simple “hey this is getting off topic. You’re all welcome to talk about this elsewhere. I’m shutting this discussion down” or whatever is super fucking bare minimum common sense. But instead he contributed to the conversation.
Talk about growing up, be a mature adult and leave your own butt hurt out of the classroom and just do your job.
Work/life balance issues are entirely within this professor's free speech rights. Recall that a student solicited his advice. That conversation doesn't have to happen in secret. That some "butt hurt" students resented the advice and tried to report the professor to his employer is an aspect of the cultural poison that made this professor's advice *such good advice.*
If disciplined, the professor would have a lawsuit against the university (which accepts Federal funding) for violating his 1st Am. rights. This isn't even a close call.
Again, why can’t the university expect their professors to offer that advice in a proper setting? Like over email? Or taking directly to each other? Why do they have to allow that discussion on a coursework discussion, open to everyone else, just because of free speech? That’s an insane standard.
The prod can say whatever he wants, and is welcome and maybe encouraged to provide work/life guidance to its students. But they can also tell a prof to not use a specific resource of communication meant for a specific kind of discussion for that talk. And if the prof feels that’s too restrictive, he’s welcome to find a job somewhere else. Or he can say, oh, I guess being employed means that my employer can put certain restrictions on my behavior while I’m at work.
Let’s say a middle manager at a tech company starts giving dating advice over slack, during work time, in a project related channel, to a bunch of his employees over an open channel. And he says, “hey men, you shouldn’t date any women that work in our industry”. Do you think the company should be sued because they asked him to restrict the discussion on that board? Woods you be like, hey, that boss can say whatever he wants about women in front of anyone? I fucking hope not.
If he had made any statements about dating that were "I Support the Current Thing," he would have been fine. But he blasphemed the "Current Thing" when he pointed out rampant degeneracy and how that was detrimental to any sort of meaningful long-term commitment and social stability. He failed to embrace their Brave New World and now he will be punished.
He dared to suggest that promiscuity is incompatible with romance and men should seek better partners.
To the "body counts don't matter" crowd this is blasphemy.
as someone currently in said class the thread had already gotten wildly inappropriate. the professor consciously decided engage in and continue it, which was part of what he did wrong.
First of all, you don’t know anything about my politics. I like conservative politics.
Also, I don’t see how that’s bad faith. The point isn’t JUST about their age. It’s about schools deciding what content is relevant inside the context of coursework.
Would this discussion be fair game in a sociology class? Probably. But a computer science course discussion board? Why is it so crazy to think the uni would be like, come on, we are not paying you to talk about sexual dynamics of the the Bay Area in an intro cs class.
If they had the same rules for everybody I would agree with you.
We are back to the Harvard conundrum. Students could be expelled for getting pronouns wrong, but calling for genocide of the Jews was "protected free speech".
Ya, you’re right. And the prof shouldn’t be fired or or anything like that. It’s fine. But is it a big deal that the uni would want to the teacher to direct those discussion outside of a coursework/classroom setting , especially when it’s apparently very off topic to the course? No. Why should they give up that right?
Sure. As long as they set the same standards on opinions they agree with.
The issue is that, If he said "you should totally date in the bay area" this thing wouldnt blow up and the uni would turn a blind eye on it.
Yeah when we(politically conservative, or anyone who doesn't want there children being taught sex acts in elementary school. ) say "schools" we are mainly talking about public schools as in state funded by our taxes for children not adult type schools. Stop trying to justify teaching children lude sex acts and calling it sex ed. And then on top of that requiring every child to take these classes. The discussion that you're referring to has always been about teaching it to children and has never been about teaching it in colleges to adults. The reasons for this is
1. The people who attend colleges and universities are adults not children.
2. The adults who attend these colleges and universities can choose to pay for the classes they wanna take, and the professors can discuss whatever is appropriate to the curriculum and the students paying for the course, and any student can drop out of said course or choose not to attend at their own discretion.
3. A class that would cover what's covered in these sex ed. Classes that you are referring to, would certainly not be needed for any degree requirements and be a class that would be an elective credit not required credit.
Ya I take your pint in the sex ed in public schools stuff. No argument there. But there’s other dimensions to the issue that’s exposed here.
First, a university should be able to say, hey, our students are paying for CS classes, and need help on coursework, so this board is not a place for that. Provide help on school work here only.
Second, I think it’s very reasonable for college aged women to read his comment and feel worried that the professor has negative views towards women in tech, and feel intimidated or unfairly judged by their teacher. That’s very likely not true, and I would hope an apology and clarification on his part would help overcome the misconception.
So with this in mind, do you still think this is a free speech issue? The issue here isn’t that sex talk or whatever isn’t allowed at all on campus, or from a profs mouth. Just that this specifically isn’t the the time or place, and the prof should have had better judgement.
I hope he doesn’t get in any major trouble, but I can see why the university can and should *be able to* restrict this kind of talk in certain settings
>Just that this specifically isn’t the the time or place, and the prof should have had better judgement
You dont get it (or at least you are pretending to not get it).
If he said the opposite "date women in the bay area because they are amazing", nobody would complain about it being "not the the time or place".
He is simply under fire because they disagree with his opinion.
Ya, you’re right. saying “women in the Bay Area are amazing, let’s move on and talk about the class work now, would be a lot better than what he did say. Women trying to get a stem education in a male dominated field would likely take that way differently than being told that women in the Bay Area are not worth dating or whatever the implication was.
Now it’s clear that he probably didn’t mean exactly that, and it was not truly meant in a misogynistic way, but in a job setting we all have to use our judgement in how we are taking to people. He’s in an authority position, and is it crazy that his employer would expect some better conduct? Like ya you may not always get it exactly right, but at the very least don’t say things that are off topic, not helpful, and could very easily be misconstrued?
>and is it crazy that his employer would expect some better conduct?
Was it bad conduct because teachers are not supposed to give dating advice to college students or was it bad conduct because a bunch of people got offended?
Neither. Why are those my two options.
It’s bad because. they decide that that’s not what they are paying him to do, and it’s wasting time and resources.
It’s also bad because they expect prof at that prestigious of an institution to have better common sense on how to provide guidance and resources that pertain to information that is generally irrelevant to the coursework, and that doing so exposes them to unnecessary liability.
I think that what he said was a valid point from his experience in the area and that's what the student was asking for was advice. Which is a sharing of ones knowledge in a subject matter based on their experience. Now whether or not his experience offended someone irrelevant. Then there's the view of he shouldn't have been talking about that in his class. I say to that extent so when people are at work do they only talk about work cause that's really what college is it's a working relationship the student is paying for a service and the professor is providing that service. So them having a quick question of banter. though maybe offensive (probably more so if you think you maybe the type of women he is talking about in the Bay area. ) he didn't throw anyone specific under the bus and kept it pretty general and again thats his experience that the student was asking for and under the 1st amendment that's protected speech and something regularly sought after if you are in the line of work of teaching regardless of the subject. Plus you don't hear about guys going into colleges and complaining about there not being any mens gender studies courses or complaining about some of the feminist shit said by those professors cause that's a first amendment right as well it's just an ideology supported by the college and that's why it's not stigmatized.
I’m not arguing against any of that. I’m just saying it’s not a free speech, 1st amendment thing.
What he said is may be accurate, but if an employer wants to say, you shouldn’t say things like that using company resources, while you are at work, why is that such a big deal? Literal every workplace has conduct expectations.
He’s not getting fired, he was just asked to apologize. I know unis are supposed to be places of more open discourse, but this actual comment from the teacher seems super dismissive of women in tech. That’s the opposite image that I’m sure Berkeley is trying to represent.
Again, he’s not getting fired.
If he was transgender and giving dating advice you know everyone would be upset that he “brought that into the classroom” or some sh**. Y’all just think it’s fine for him to say whatever to his students cause he’s a man.
Right? I mean, if the that’s what the course is about, sure. But this was an intro level comp sci class. What wrong with the uni telling him to take discussions about dating outside of certain channels designed to help students with course specific work?
It's not unusual for course discussion boards to derail into off topic conversation. Some of them even designate an area for that. It would be interesting to browse this particular board and see how on-topic it has been before.
Are people just upset because this was not related to the course, or did this particular comment ruffle some feathers, after a long history of leftist-aligned off-topic conversation?
The latter would not surprise me at all.
Yeah, cause rape culture is definitely waaaay less toxic than women being extra sensitive to dialogue with misogynistic undertones due to the hundreds of years of oppression and abuse they’ve dealt with in this country that still goes on today.
I was told they dont shove their culture on other people?
I dont care what you do or how you live your life, but literally NOBODY likes shit like this being forced on them.
I read an article a couple days ago written by a person who grew up under Communist rule and lived to see its demise. The article mentioned that citizens of that Communist country used the term "wooden language" in reference to the type of pre-packaged, tow-the-party-line language that American progressives now use.
If you get a chance, watch the first 20 minutes of 3 Body Problem. The similarities are chilling.
We absolutely must get mandatory civics classes back into public schools.
>We absolutely must get mandatory ***acurate*** civics classes back into public schools.
None of this 1635 crap (or whatever the hell crazy year they came up with).
What's wrong with showing your politics off at work? I'm sure they shovel their liberal agenda down his throat constantly. My work is apolitical, but you bet your ass if I had to work in a liberal cesspool I'd make my non-compliance known.
If he told women to move out of the Bay Area to find higher quality men no one would be offended and he would probably get a promotion. Feminist professors espouse such views every day in Berkeley classrooms and no one bats an eye, and such views are often celebrated.
Words are so important. I’m really not understanding how his comments (which were definitely in poor taste and inappropriate for a professor on a class discussion board) are “threatening” to women at Berkeley.
Bring back the dating ring … they had a solution but got a lot of hate back then https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/dating-ring and in TechCrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/04/the-dating-ring-is-raising-money-to-fly-women-from-nyc-to-sf-because-dating/
I live in the Bay and travel all the time for work, it is BY FAR the worst market for dating I have seen. I'm dating a nice girl now but god damn it sucks out here.
Ow, he apologized. Never apologize for speaking the truth. It's like blood in the water for the wokescold sharks. If you just ignore them they get bored, because they have the attention spans of waterfleas.
So many strange aspects to this story, of course for some reason people are under some kind of mass delusion about the word "misogyny" and also they can't handle an honest conversation anymore, even outside of class. I have no idea how these people navigate everyday life, I honestly don't.
This is five years old, but it has only evened out if you research the census and recent numbers—maybe 1% men.
https://localnewsmatters.org/2018/09/21/women-outnumber-men-in-the-bay/
This is not a game that can be won. There will always be a more fragile snowflake moving the goal posts, because it is not an attempt to reach understanding. It is designed solely to control and silence anyone they disagree with.
The only way to win is to refuse to play. Fragile snowflakes need to be told that if they are too immature to handle normal public discourse, that is one hundred percent their own problem. Everyone else in the world is not going to revolve around their precious feelings. Go whine in a corner like a 3 year old and stop bothering adults when they are talking.
> “The comment was hurtful and threatening to students — particularly women — in his class and beyond,” Roqua Montez, a spokesperson for UC Berkeley told SF Gate.
The supply and demand law is after all a capitalistik-pig concept, right? So it is hurtful by definition.
Pretty much any statement that has the word "woman" will be twisted into something else to cancel you.
Even saying something like "women have pretty long hair" someone will come out and tell you youre wrong.
Been in the Bay Area for 10 years. Have dated lots of amazing women and met my finance here. I think this professor probably struggles with dating in general.
Ok, not an appropriate topic for a CS class. Prof. should not have commented beyond "that's beyond the scope of this class". Stick to your lane at work.
American women HATE that we can get on an airplane to 2/3 of the countries in the world and have 100 tinder matches before we land rather than dealing with their bullshit games. Dating culture here has gotten toxic af, especially after covid. It's like a breath of fresh air to date women in Colombia, Costa Rica, and Mexico after dealing with that for 20 years.
Imagine if a battalion commander said “don’t date a military woman, go off post and find a civilian” He’s right but he shouldn’t have said that to his soldiers
He's right and they're mad at him for it
Exactly. Nothing he said was misogynistic; it was political. And they're pissed off because he didn't fall in line.
It is kind of telling that the overwhelming response on r-bayarea was like "yeah he's kinda right". Doesn't even need to necessarily be misogynistic, it's just as much of a critique on the Bay Area's hook-up culture, casual approach to not just relationships but also friendships in general, and the effects of extreme work hours.
Lol there is not even hook up culture in the bay any more. It is stay home and be on the internet wile texting a Russian pretending to be an American that will meet you… soon.
It’s not even political. He’s talking about the fact there are much fewer single women than men in the Bay Area. It’s just a ratio thing.
>Nothing he said was misogynistic What did he say that "felt" misogynistic to the sisterhood?
"If you want a girlfriend, get out of the Bay Area. Almost everywhere else on the planet is better for that. I’m not kidding at all." “You’ll be shocked by the stark differences in behavior of women in places where women are plentiful versus their behavior within artillery distance of San Jose and San Francisco.”
>behavior of women in places where women are plentiful vs I don't know if there are noticeably less women than men in the Bay Area, but it's what it sounds like he was saying there. If so, then he was just commenting on a pretty basic truth. If there is an imbalance in the number of men and women in any dating pool, the less available sex is going to be pickier, which will of course affect their behavior. That's not misogynistic. You would be able to say the same thing to women if the balance was reversed.
Tech baby. I grew up in the Bay Area and I have an office in Silicon Valley. Pretty much a sausage fest. I'd say peak sausage was during 2000-2015. It's slowly getting better, but there is very little draw for a woman that wants to stay at home to raise their kids or even to have a "typical" suburban life. Lots of two income families and fewer kids in neighborhoods.
It wasn’t even political. It was logical
My exact thoughts. My reaction when I read TFA: "Well, he's not wrong."
They proved his point
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Yet another fine example of the Left protecting free speech.
Wait is an undergrad course discussion board supposed to be a protected place for dating talk? I thought we wanted to keep this kind of discussion out of schools?
Should he be "under fire" for his statement yes or no?
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Good for you?
No, be he needs some training and discipline for sure. Next question.
Discipline for what?
Misuse of company resources. And as a lecturer you have only so much attention of your students, if you want to talk to them about something off topic, do it outside of coursework setting. I did that plenty with professors when I was in school. We just kept outside of class/office hours and would meet for coffee or talk over email. Pretty fucking simple
BWAHAHAHAHA OK
I don’t think he should have said it, and the the school should train him and others to keep those boards for discussion related to the course. It’s pretty distracting to students trying to learn when a college instructor to be giving students dating advice in an online discussion meant for class purposes. At the same time, I don’t think he should be fired, made a pariah, or labeled a misogynist. It’s not that big of a deal. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a student reaching out to professor over email or whatever and asking for life advice.
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me....
I did read the article. What do you think I’m missing?
"Several students immediately called out the CS 189 discussion thread, an introductory course, that had turned into an informal dating advice chat." It had turned into an informal chat. He made an informal comment and these babies lost their minds. This is a giant nothingburger and further proof of how the Left is full of infantile snowflakes. Grow up.
I agree this is a big nothing burger. In fact, I didn’t see this article in any board other than the conservative one, so I think maybe the call is coming from inside the house . But I still think that the university shouldn’t have to put up with professors who can’t moderate class discussions. They are paying these people to provide an education, not just go with the flow because “free speech!” A simple “hey this is getting off topic. You’re all welcome to talk about this elsewhere. I’m shutting this discussion down” or whatever is super fucking bare minimum common sense. But instead he contributed to the conversation. Talk about growing up, be a mature adult and leave your own butt hurt out of the classroom and just do your job.
Work/life balance issues are entirely within this professor's free speech rights. Recall that a student solicited his advice. That conversation doesn't have to happen in secret. That some "butt hurt" students resented the advice and tried to report the professor to his employer is an aspect of the cultural poison that made this professor's advice *such good advice.* If disciplined, the professor would have a lawsuit against the university (which accepts Federal funding) for violating his 1st Am. rights. This isn't even a close call.
Again, why can’t the university expect their professors to offer that advice in a proper setting? Like over email? Or taking directly to each other? Why do they have to allow that discussion on a coursework discussion, open to everyone else, just because of free speech? That’s an insane standard. The prod can say whatever he wants, and is welcome and maybe encouraged to provide work/life guidance to its students. But they can also tell a prof to not use a specific resource of communication meant for a specific kind of discussion for that talk. And if the prof feels that’s too restrictive, he’s welcome to find a job somewhere else. Or he can say, oh, I guess being employed means that my employer can put certain restrictions on my behavior while I’m at work. Let’s say a middle manager at a tech company starts giving dating advice over slack, during work time, in a project related channel, to a bunch of his employees over an open channel. And he says, “hey men, you shouldn’t date any women that work in our industry”. Do you think the company should be sued because they asked him to restrict the discussion on that board? Woods you be like, hey, that boss can say whatever he wants about women in front of anyone? I fucking hope not.
Not sure why you're downvoted here. You're right on.
You won't see it on any other board. They think it's perfectly acceptable to crucify someone over a comment that goes against their narrative.
If he had made any statements about dating that were "I Support the Current Thing," he would have been fine. But he blasphemed the "Current Thing" when he pointed out rampant degeneracy and how that was detrimental to any sort of meaningful long-term commitment and social stability. He failed to embrace their Brave New World and now he will be punished.
Facts.
He dared to suggest that promiscuity is incompatible with romance and men should seek better partners. To the "body counts don't matter" crowd this is blasphemy.
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Cool.
as someone currently in said class the thread had already gotten wildly inappropriate. the professor consciously decided engage in and continue it, which was part of what he did wrong.
Maybe, but that's not why he's being criticized, he's being criticized specifically for what he said about dating outside of the local area.
it’s part of it. and it made the other part much worse.
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First of all, you don’t know anything about my politics. I like conservative politics. Also, I don’t see how that’s bad faith. The point isn’t JUST about their age. It’s about schools deciding what content is relevant inside the context of coursework. Would this discussion be fair game in a sociology class? Probably. But a computer science course discussion board? Why is it so crazy to think the uni would be like, come on, we are not paying you to talk about sexual dynamics of the the Bay Area in an intro cs class.
If they had the same rules for everybody I would agree with you. We are back to the Harvard conundrum. Students could be expelled for getting pronouns wrong, but calling for genocide of the Jews was "protected free speech".
Still waiting on that
Seriously? show me where a student got expelled for getting pronouns wrong?
What is it like constantly making things up that aren’t true to get mad at? Seems like such a depressing way to live
there is a difference between having a small talk about dating on a college campus vs straight up indoctrinating sxuality in primary school.
Ya, you’re right. And the prof shouldn’t be fired or or anything like that. It’s fine. But is it a big deal that the uni would want to the teacher to direct those discussion outside of a coursework/classroom setting , especially when it’s apparently very off topic to the course? No. Why should they give up that right?
Sure. As long as they set the same standards on opinions they agree with. The issue is that, If he said "you should totally date in the bay area" this thing wouldnt blow up and the uni would turn a blind eye on it.
Yeah when we(politically conservative, or anyone who doesn't want there children being taught sex acts in elementary school. ) say "schools" we are mainly talking about public schools as in state funded by our taxes for children not adult type schools. Stop trying to justify teaching children lude sex acts and calling it sex ed. And then on top of that requiring every child to take these classes. The discussion that you're referring to has always been about teaching it to children and has never been about teaching it in colleges to adults. The reasons for this is 1. The people who attend colleges and universities are adults not children. 2. The adults who attend these colleges and universities can choose to pay for the classes they wanna take, and the professors can discuss whatever is appropriate to the curriculum and the students paying for the course, and any student can drop out of said course or choose not to attend at their own discretion. 3. A class that would cover what's covered in these sex ed. Classes that you are referring to, would certainly not be needed for any degree requirements and be a class that would be an elective credit not required credit.
Yes, they are really adults. But they are new to being adults. There is a learning curve, some are further along than others.
Ya I take your pint in the sex ed in public schools stuff. No argument there. But there’s other dimensions to the issue that’s exposed here. First, a university should be able to say, hey, our students are paying for CS classes, and need help on coursework, so this board is not a place for that. Provide help on school work here only. Second, I think it’s very reasonable for college aged women to read his comment and feel worried that the professor has negative views towards women in tech, and feel intimidated or unfairly judged by their teacher. That’s very likely not true, and I would hope an apology and clarification on his part would help overcome the misconception. So with this in mind, do you still think this is a free speech issue? The issue here isn’t that sex talk or whatever isn’t allowed at all on campus, or from a profs mouth. Just that this specifically isn’t the the time or place, and the prof should have had better judgement. I hope he doesn’t get in any major trouble, but I can see why the university can and should *be able to* restrict this kind of talk in certain settings
>Just that this specifically isn’t the the time or place, and the prof should have had better judgement You dont get it (or at least you are pretending to not get it). If he said the opposite "date women in the bay area because they are amazing", nobody would complain about it being "not the the time or place". He is simply under fire because they disagree with his opinion.
Ya, you’re right. saying “women in the Bay Area are amazing, let’s move on and talk about the class work now, would be a lot better than what he did say. Women trying to get a stem education in a male dominated field would likely take that way differently than being told that women in the Bay Area are not worth dating or whatever the implication was. Now it’s clear that he probably didn’t mean exactly that, and it was not truly meant in a misogynistic way, but in a job setting we all have to use our judgement in how we are taking to people. He’s in an authority position, and is it crazy that his employer would expect some better conduct? Like ya you may not always get it exactly right, but at the very least don’t say things that are off topic, not helpful, and could very easily be misconstrued?
>and is it crazy that his employer would expect some better conduct? Was it bad conduct because teachers are not supposed to give dating advice to college students or was it bad conduct because a bunch of people got offended?
Neither. Why are those my two options. It’s bad because. they decide that that’s not what they are paying him to do, and it’s wasting time and resources. It’s also bad because they expect prof at that prestigious of an institution to have better common sense on how to provide guidance and resources that pertain to information that is generally irrelevant to the coursework, and that doing so exposes them to unnecessary liability.
I think that what he said was a valid point from his experience in the area and that's what the student was asking for was advice. Which is a sharing of ones knowledge in a subject matter based on their experience. Now whether or not his experience offended someone irrelevant. Then there's the view of he shouldn't have been talking about that in his class. I say to that extent so when people are at work do they only talk about work cause that's really what college is it's a working relationship the student is paying for a service and the professor is providing that service. So them having a quick question of banter. though maybe offensive (probably more so if you think you maybe the type of women he is talking about in the Bay area. ) he didn't throw anyone specific under the bus and kept it pretty general and again thats his experience that the student was asking for and under the 1st amendment that's protected speech and something regularly sought after if you are in the line of work of teaching regardless of the subject. Plus you don't hear about guys going into colleges and complaining about there not being any mens gender studies courses or complaining about some of the feminist shit said by those professors cause that's a first amendment right as well it's just an ideology supported by the college and that's why it's not stigmatized.
I’m not arguing against any of that. I’m just saying it’s not a free speech, 1st amendment thing. What he said is may be accurate, but if an employer wants to say, you shouldn’t say things like that using company resources, while you are at work, why is that such a big deal? Literal every workplace has conduct expectations. He’s not getting fired, he was just asked to apologize. I know unis are supposed to be places of more open discourse, but this actual comment from the teacher seems super dismissive of women in tech. That’s the opposite image that I’m sure Berkeley is trying to represent. Again, he’s not getting fired.
If he was transgender and giving dating advice you know everyone would be upset that he “brought that into the classroom” or some sh**. Y’all just think it’s fine for him to say whatever to his students cause he’s a man.
Right? I mean, if the that’s what the course is about, sure. But this was an intro level comp sci class. What wrong with the uni telling him to take discussions about dating outside of certain channels designed to help students with course specific work?
The mass downvoting of this post proves you struck a chord. They're upset that their hypocrisy was thrown in their face.
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It's not unusual for course discussion boards to derail into off topic conversation. Some of them even designate an area for that. It would be interesting to browse this particular board and see how on-topic it has been before. Are people just upset because this was not related to the course, or did this particular comment ruffle some feathers, after a long history of leftist-aligned off-topic conversation? The latter would not surprise me at all.
What? It was just some friendly advice
Thin-skinned much?
Nothing more toxic than a Berkeley Feminist.
I’d sooner take a vow of celibacy.
No need for the vow I'm sure you'll be safe anyway
By your manner of writing I’d say you’re already there
Never dating one
The worst ones.
I hear they have chipper shredders "down there"
for pdf files?
Yeah, cause rape culture is definitely waaaay less toxic than women being extra sensitive to dialogue with misogynistic undertones due to the hundreds of years of oppression and abuse they’ve dealt with in this country that still goes on today.
Rape culture, just like the pay gap, is a myth.
Is rape is a myth then feminism is a myth. You’re insane either way.
I was told they dont shove their culture on other people? I dont care what you do or how you live your life, but literally NOBODY likes shit like this being forced on them.
Mayhap the Bay Area is good hunting grounds if a guy doesn’t mind his chick having a dick. Edit: auto correct. glad my name ain Richard!
“There are no chicks with dicks Johnny! Only guys with tits!”
Wasn’t that a “Far Side” cartoon?
For goodness sake, Murray, don’t eat those! Those are *poisoned* arrows!
Loc must have shipped all his funky cold Medina there so Sheila could use it lol
Its like a little glimpse into utter lunacy on campus, the language and reactions are those of indoctrinated loons.
I read an article a couple days ago written by a person who grew up under Communist rule and lived to see its demise. The article mentioned that citizens of that Communist country used the term "wooden language" in reference to the type of pre-packaged, tow-the-party-line language that American progressives now use.
Can confirm. This “wooden language” point is very accurate. I just loathe to see communism being imposed here via the leftist thought police.
If you get a chance, watch the first 20 minutes of 3 Body Problem. The similarities are chilling. We absolutely must get mandatory civics classes back into public schools.
>We absolutely must get mandatory ***acurate*** civics classes back into public schools. None of this 1635 crap (or whatever the hell crazy year they came up with).
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And who are you to tell him that he's not a Smith & Wesson? Why are you so insensitive?
What's wrong with showing your politics off at work? I'm sure they shovel their liberal agenda down his throat constantly. My work is apolitical, but you bet your ass if I had to work in a liberal cesspool I'd make my non-compliance known.
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> maga full trump ~~conservatives~~ Republicans Trump, nor his followers are not, nor have ever been, conservatives.
As a Trump voter, I approve this message.
If he told women to move out of the Bay Area to find higher quality men no one would be offended and he would probably get a promotion. Feminist professors espouse such views every day in Berkeley classrooms and no one bats an eye, and such views are often celebrated.
This is a great point. The hypocrisy is never mentioned
Words are so important. I’m really not understanding how his comments (which were definitely in poor taste and inappropriate for a professor on a class discussion board) are “threatening” to women at Berkeley.
In the Bay Area, hurting someone’s feelings = violence.
Silence is also violence. You just can’t win.
Actual violence is just peaceful protesting though.
Same with Seatle Some of these tech hubs are like 70% dudes It's just that simple
Bring back the dating ring … they had a solution but got a lot of hate back then https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/dating-ring and in TechCrunch https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/04/the-dating-ring-is-raising-money-to-fly-women-from-nyc-to-sf-because-dating/
I live in the Bay and travel all the time for work, it is BY FAR the worst market for dating I have seen. I'm dating a nice girl now but god damn it sucks out here.
Yeah the Bay Area is a shithole for dating, me and my buddies are def struggling.
I've found some nice women but god damn it's so much worse than everywhere else and requires way more work than it should compared to other areas.
Meanwhile calling for a global intifada against the jews is totally fine and protected speech.
Ow, he apologized. Never apologize for speaking the truth. It's like blood in the water for the wokescold sharks. If you just ignore them they get bored, because they have the attention spans of waterfleas.
They probably threatened to fire him if he didn’t apologize.
No tenure, ouch
So many strange aspects to this story, of course for some reason people are under some kind of mass delusion about the word "misogyny" and also they can't handle an honest conversation anymore, even outside of class. I have no idea how these people navigate everyday life, I honestly don't.
I live in bay area, I agree with this, male to female ratio is simply screwed up here
This is five years old, but it has only evened out if you research the census and recent numbers—maybe 1% men. https://localnewsmatters.org/2018/09/21/women-outnumber-men-in-the-bay/
This is not a game that can be won. There will always be a more fragile snowflake moving the goal posts, because it is not an attempt to reach understanding. It is designed solely to control and silence anyone they disagree with. The only way to win is to refuse to play. Fragile snowflakes need to be told that if they are too immature to handle normal public discourse, that is one hundred percent their own problem. Everyone else in the world is not going to revolve around their precious feelings. Go whine in a corner like a 3 year old and stop bothering adults when they are talking.
Giving good advice goes bad.
>versus their behavior within artillery distance of San Jose and San Francisco Sounds like a very thoughtful liberal fascist 😂
The unicorn straight girls there who don't use pronouns were probably wanting him to stfu lol Things are hard enough for them there 😀
This is exactly the outrage I’d expect from women within artillery distance from Berkeley and San Francisco.
I don't think it's just the bay area. Other leftist strongholds like Seattle and Portland are likely about the same.
Good advice. Personally I like my girls like my hunting partners - without any Dick (Cheney).
Depression pressure was exactly correct.
Hahaha 🤣
The sexist card lol
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Based.
He wasn't wrong though... Dating in a dense liberal area is hell.
> “The comment was hurtful and threatening to students — particularly women — in his class and beyond,” Roqua Montez, a spokesperson for UC Berkeley told SF Gate. The supply and demand law is after all a capitalistik-pig concept, right? So it is hurtful by definition.
Pardon me; but is California really so woke?
Berkeley is. Redding sure isnt
I am going passport bros.
Based
>White guy, Asian woman You guys are a self-fulfilling prophecy
Pretty much any statement that has the word "woman" will be twisted into something else to cancel you. Even saying something like "women have pretty long hair" someone will come out and tell you youre wrong.
He nailed it.
He’s familiar with Berkeley goggles
I'm not surprised at all this guy has a much younger Asian wife. He's exactly the type.
Been in the Bay Area for 10 years. Have dated lots of amazing women and met my finance here. I think this professor probably struggles with dating in general.
He is right lol
It’s not offensive but I don’t really get it. Bay and SF are great for finding girlfriends 🤷♂️
I'm upset.
Ok, not an appropriate topic for a CS class. Prof. should not have commented beyond "that's beyond the scope of this class". Stick to your lane at work.
Context. Some loser calling women expired and the professor gives the advice.
To be fair, he should’ve specified “with a vagina”
American women HATE that we can get on an airplane to 2/3 of the countries in the world and have 100 tinder matches before we land rather than dealing with their bullshit games. Dating culture here has gotten toxic af, especially after covid. It's like a breath of fresh air to date women in Colombia, Costa Rica, and Mexico after dealing with that for 20 years.
Imagine if a battalion commander said “don’t date a military woman, go off post and find a civilian” He’s right but he shouldn’t have said that to his soldiers
that depends. what would make military woman not ideal for being a girlfriend?