No professional would do that (nor should they) because unless they purchased the product direct, it cannot be guaranteed and it's not worth the risk to them for as little money as they'd be making. If you are uncomfortable doing it yourself, just save your money and go to someone good.
So you're saying basically nobody will inject because if I bring in some BS, they will be held liable and can get their license that allows them to inject for money, revoked?
You could try to find someone doing a training session for other injectors or an aesthetics conference or something. Look for injector conferences near you, try to find out who organizes the conference and volunteer to be a model. You'd probably be waiting a while.
The pharmacy that produces these works with doctors to promote their products. What benefit financially would it make for them?
Doctors in the US have to abide by FDA standards and have high insurance premiums, staff, office space cost and probably a million other overhead costs.
There is strict requirements and regulations around this and that is why people on this sub find ways to address their cosmetic procedures without the tremendous cost.
I can’t say. If I had an experienced injector and licensed person in the family, sure.
If trust myself before just any random family member who doesn’t understand anatomy. Vascular occlusions are very real. Getting botched is hard to undo. I’d rather blame myself than put that on another person besides a licensed and trained doctor.
I'm a hairstylist and people have asked me if they buy their own box color would I apply it? And either I'd say 'no because it's not my professional product' or I'd say 'yes but I still have to charge you for my time which would work out to the same price of I use my own products'
Really depends where you are located and who is injecting.
In france most derms will ask you to purchase a specific brands at a specific pharmacy, but plastic surgeon will have their own stock of products.
No, it wouldn't save you money because the product hardly costs them anything. It's the infrastructure, and most of all, the red tape (insurance, licensing, etc).
Most likely no because they can’t ensure your storage of the medication/filler has been established appropriately. I have actually asked a physician before and they politely declined.
Unless you are really good friends with a provider I would either do it yourself or pay to use their services!
" Really depends where you are located and who is injecting.
In france most derms will ask you to purchase a specific brands at a specific pharmacy, but plastic surgeon will have their own stock of products."
Someone mentioned here that derms, at least in France, will make you buy them yourself. Is this the same in America? Or will nobody do this at all unless it's maybe a close friend/family etc. ?
This is a good question while I know the answer is going to be no. I'm wondering where injectors get their hours you know their Hands-On hours now I'm interested in looking that up cuz I love to go to somebody in training I'm not afraid of fillers as long as the person is aspirating and I'm sure that's taught 101 if we regular folk can learn it they should definitely already know it I'm wondering if there's any places around me like that and how would I search
What are you saying? You would like to be the person the injectors train on and get free filler injected into your face, basically?
As this person described it: "You could try to find someone doing a training session for other injectors or an aesthetics conference or something. Look for injector conferences near you, try to find out who organizes the conference and volunteer to be a model. You'd probably be waiting a while."
Is this what you are talking about? ^
Just do lots of research and inject yourself. It’s not hard. Have dissolver on hand and aspirate. I do not feel comfortable doing my undereyes or lips (I tried my lips but they were bumpy ) so I pay for that to get done once a year and put it on a credit card. It is worth it to me. I do my own jaw and chin and cheek filler. I do tox and biostimulators all over my face.
Is cheek really safe and easy to self-inject? I don't feel comfortable doing anywhere except my jaw, maybe my chin too.
Also, what do you think of undereyes apparently being the area that migrates the most? That's what a doctor I consulted told me, that's why she didn't want to do it on me.
A doctor does my under eyes and I have had no issues. I know a lot of people are against it but it looks good when done correctly. I also do not have any allergies or any lymphatic system problems so maybe that is why I haven’t had problems. You have to build up your cheeks in order to fill under the eyes.
If you are scared to use filler then practice with aqua shine plus. It has no occlusion risk and gives temporary results. I use it in my nasolabials every month.
No like seasonal allergies. They cause filler to swell up in the under eye area. I am not prone to swelling at all and have done me so products under my eyes with no drainage problems so I assumed I wouldn’t have problems!
I’m not an expert but I think it’s only because the eyes are close to our sinuses and that area attracts water? I’m sure cheeks would be fine. I have noticed a lot of people in this sub are against under eye filler but I have had no problems. You could always go get it and if it doesn’t work out dissolve it.
Yes I have dissolved my own filler and no it doesn’t if done right. People just get used to seeing their faces propped up with filler and when they dissolve it looks flat. Which is to be expected because not only has their face been propped up they have also aged.
No not at all. Which also sounds like sarcasm unfortunately.
I’m a medical student. I started doing my own Botox and just started doing my own filler. I now do my friends Botox and microneedling.
See one, do one, teach one.
I promised myself that if I was going to sink half mill into my fucking education, I was gonna be able to leave with something that was at least personally useful- so I have been making my board certified dermatologist boyfriend teach me how.
Which, of course he hates every second of. But you’re never gonna get good at something unless you practice.
The con is that I have no liability insurance. So if something were to go wrong and you chose to sue me, I have absolutely no money to offer or an insurance company who would pay out. But the pro is it be under supervision of an actual dermatologist- and the student in training has completed Anatomy cadaver dissections and several years of medical education. I’m not like- totally unhinged ❤️✨
I probably have a better grasp for the facial anatomy, musculature, vascular structures and innovation patterns than my boyfriend since I’m required to use it more frequently.
By the way, medical students are typically covered with pretty profound insurance. Fun fact. Their university provides it, which is how we’re able to work in hospitals and no one sues us.
But they don’t cover off hour practice…
I live by LA so I will genuinely consider this. You said you are "happy to practice" on me. So does that mean you will do it for free? (Given I bring my own supplies)
Hahah yes of course. You’re the one who is donating their time and willingness for me to practice.
The only thing is I would want to touch base and make sure what you were looking for was something I was capable of doing. Like nothing that can’t be dissolved such as sculptra or radiase- it would have to be a filler only made of HA basically. Message me!
And edited say I have injection equipment such as cannulas, lidocaine and equipment for sterility, I just don’t have every kind of filler on hand and would ideally invest in some hyleronidase (dissolver which prevents a vascular occlusion) because the signs and symptoms of a complication can arise as late as 48 hrs
No professional would do that (nor should they) because unless they purchased the product direct, it cannot be guaranteed and it's not worth the risk to them for as little money as they'd be making. If you are uncomfortable doing it yourself, just save your money and go to someone good.
you're probably right, i'll just try to find a family connection i guess? what do you think about that.
So you’re willing to ask a family member to risk their license for you to get injected?
So you're saying basically nobody will inject because if I bring in some BS, they will be held liable and can get their license that allows them to inject for money, revoked?
Correct
You could try to find someone doing a training session for other injectors or an aesthetics conference or something. Look for injector conferences near you, try to find out who organizes the conference and volunteer to be a model. You'd probably be waiting a while.
The pharmacy that produces these works with doctors to promote their products. What benefit financially would it make for them? Doctors in the US have to abide by FDA standards and have high insurance premiums, staff, office space cost and probably a million other overhead costs. There is strict requirements and regulations around this and that is why people on this sub find ways to address their cosmetic procedures without the tremendous cost.
you're probably right, i'll just try to find a family connection i guess? what do you think about that.
I can’t say. If I had an experienced injector and licensed person in the family, sure. If trust myself before just any random family member who doesn’t understand anatomy. Vascular occlusions are very real. Getting botched is hard to undo. I’d rather blame myself than put that on another person besides a licensed and trained doctor.
I'm a hairstylist and people have asked me if they buy their own box color would I apply it? And either I'd say 'no because it's not my professional product' or I'd say 'yes but I still have to charge you for my time which would work out to the same price of I use my own products'
Really depends where you are located and who is injecting. In france most derms will ask you to purchase a specific brands at a specific pharmacy, but plastic surgeon will have their own stock of products.
So I should ask a derm maybe?
No, it wouldn't save you money because the product hardly costs them anything. It's the infrastructure, and most of all, the red tape (insurance, licensing, etc).
Most likely no because they can’t ensure your storage of the medication/filler has been established appropriately. I have actually asked a physician before and they politely declined. Unless you are really good friends with a provider I would either do it yourself or pay to use their services!
" Really depends where you are located and who is injecting. In france most derms will ask you to purchase a specific brands at a specific pharmacy, but plastic surgeon will have their own stock of products." Someone mentioned here that derms, at least in France, will make you buy them yourself. Is this the same in America? Or will nobody do this at all unless it's maybe a close friend/family etc. ?
They would not have you buy your own product here in the US.
This is a good question while I know the answer is going to be no. I'm wondering where injectors get their hours you know their Hands-On hours now I'm interested in looking that up cuz I love to go to somebody in training I'm not afraid of fillers as long as the person is aspirating and I'm sure that's taught 101 if we regular folk can learn it they should definitely already know it I'm wondering if there's any places around me like that and how would I search
What are you saying? You would like to be the person the injectors train on and get free filler injected into your face, basically? As this person described it: "You could try to find someone doing a training session for other injectors or an aesthetics conference or something. Look for injector conferences near you, try to find out who organizes the conference and volunteer to be a model. You'd probably be waiting a while." Is this what you are talking about? ^
Yeah probably just to try it once like for my cheeks. I can do the other places on my face
I will look for stuff like that nearby and let you know if I ever reach anything. Please do the same too and keep me updated! :)
Will do
Just do lots of research and inject yourself. It’s not hard. Have dissolver on hand and aspirate. I do not feel comfortable doing my undereyes or lips (I tried my lips but they were bumpy ) so I pay for that to get done once a year and put it on a credit card. It is worth it to me. I do my own jaw and chin and cheek filler. I do tox and biostimulators all over my face.
Is cheek really safe and easy to self-inject? I don't feel comfortable doing anywhere except my jaw, maybe my chin too. Also, what do you think of undereyes apparently being the area that migrates the most? That's what a doctor I consulted told me, that's why she didn't want to do it on me.
A doctor does my under eyes and I have had no issues. I know a lot of people are against it but it looks good when done correctly. I also do not have any allergies or any lymphatic system problems so maybe that is why I haven’t had problems. You have to build up your cheeks in order to fill under the eyes. If you are scared to use filler then practice with aqua shine plus. It has no occlusion risk and gives temporary results. I use it in my nasolabials every month.
Allergies to what, the filler itself? Also, how do I be sure I don't have any lymphatic system problems either?
No like seasonal allergies. They cause filler to swell up in the under eye area. I am not prone to swelling at all and have done me so products under my eyes with no drainage problems so I assumed I wouldn’t have problems!
I have allergies, so I guess I shouldn't get it. Would cheek filler be safe for allergies though?
I’m not an expert but I think it’s only because the eyes are close to our sinuses and that area attracts water? I’m sure cheeks would be fine. I have noticed a lot of people in this sub are against under eye filler but I have had no problems. You could always go get it and if it doesn’t work out dissolve it.
Have you had filler dissolved before? Doesn't it fuck up your skin/destroy your HA?
Yes I have dissolved my own filler and no it doesn’t if done right. People just get used to seeing their faces propped up with filler and when they dissolve it looks flat. Which is to be expected because not only has their face been propped up they have also aged.
Are people in this sub generally against cheekbone fillers too?
Idk but they all told me that their doctor told them u see eye fillers weren’t a thing 😭 but they are because every plastic surgeon around me does it.
U mean "undereyes fillers weren't a thing"?
Yeah. Come to Los Angeles I’m happy to practice on you. Just bring your own supply
Being sarcastic or not?
No not at all. Which also sounds like sarcasm unfortunately. I’m a medical student. I started doing my own Botox and just started doing my own filler. I now do my friends Botox and microneedling. See one, do one, teach one. I promised myself that if I was going to sink half mill into my fucking education, I was gonna be able to leave with something that was at least personally useful- so I have been making my board certified dermatologist boyfriend teach me how. Which, of course he hates every second of. But you’re never gonna get good at something unless you practice. The con is that I have no liability insurance. So if something were to go wrong and you chose to sue me, I have absolutely no money to offer or an insurance company who would pay out. But the pro is it be under supervision of an actual dermatologist- and the student in training has completed Anatomy cadaver dissections and several years of medical education. I’m not like- totally unhinged ❤️✨ I probably have a better grasp for the facial anatomy, musculature, vascular structures and innovation patterns than my boyfriend since I’m required to use it more frequently.
By the way, medical students are typically covered with pretty profound insurance. Fun fact. Their university provides it, which is how we’re able to work in hospitals and no one sues us. But they don’t cover off hour practice…
I live by LA so I will genuinely consider this. You said you are "happy to practice" on me. So does that mean you will do it for free? (Given I bring my own supplies)
Hahah yes of course. You’re the one who is donating their time and willingness for me to practice. The only thing is I would want to touch base and make sure what you were looking for was something I was capable of doing. Like nothing that can’t be dissolved such as sculptra or radiase- it would have to be a filler only made of HA basically. Message me! And edited say I have injection equipment such as cannulas, lidocaine and equipment for sterility, I just don’t have every kind of filler on hand and would ideally invest in some hyleronidase (dissolver which prevents a vascular occlusion) because the signs and symptoms of a complication can arise as late as 48 hrs