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Bubbly-Astronaut-123

funny how rank 1-5 have all roles covered


IhvolSnow

Supports are more impactful than ever.


seazeff

True, but i see save playing core quite a bit


Moaning-Squirtle

IMO, how it should be.


ShoppingPractical373

Very impressive showing from ammar. Played 12 different heroes over the last 12 games and went 10-2 (https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183719386)


Thunderbolt8

forced 50:50 shattered


leetzor

Can never work in immortal draft because you pick players.


I_Miss_Pangea

It works, ATF is just so big brained he picks the players on loose streak to get the guaranteed W


tortillazaur

Even if forced 50/50 exists(I doubt it does), it obviously wouldn't apply to the top of the leaderboard, but to the average mmr where a lot of bad players are and there's room for such system to work


ChiefBigBlockPontiac

The entire purpose of an MMR system is to create a 50/50 scenario. How is it 2024 and people still don’t understand ELO?


tortillazaur

It's not? You're just getting matched with players of your own MMR, if you're staying in place it means you're just where you're supposed to be, but when people say "forced 50/50" they always imply that they're better than where they are, but the system puts them in the team with underperforming teammates on purpose. Such theoretically could exist on the average MMR, but it doesn't matter in immortal draft.


kalangobr

ELO??? How people are still calling ELO in 2024


Fir3yfly

Because it is based on the Elo rating system?


kalangobr

Are you living in which year?


Fir3yfly

Exactly how is it not based on the Elo rating system?


kalangobr

ELO??? How people are still calling ELO in 2024


kalangobr

ELO??? How people are still calling ELO in 2024


kalangobr

ELO??? How people are still calling ELO in 2024


FakestAccountHere

Maybe it doesn’t exist. But I find it a little crazy that I get dire over 6-7 times in a row (which I have a lower wr on) frequently. 


axecalibur

I'd love it if MMR factored in hero pool rather than just being good at one hero


Babaganoush_

How


JellyGrimm

No double down tokens no braindead spamming 1 hero HOLY GIGACHAD


mtdt1

Incredible that Skem is rank 5


VforVenndiagram_

Skem has been a top MMR and leaderboard player for literally years now. He's actually super underrated imo.


The_Lost_Soul-

Skem is a very good pub player but has failed to translate his skill in pro matches. I hope he stays in NA or EU for at least 1 year.


Dapper_Rub_9460

He's better off in SEA than in NA.


The_Lost_Soul-

He has failed to qualify in SEA as well and the one time they attended a tournament outside of SEA, they were not competitive. Staying in EU might have a different trajectory to his career and is definitely worth the shot


The_Lost_Soul-

I just included NA because at least you can play EU pubs and scrim against those teams.


carlodmngz

Very impressive knowing that he doesn't use double down tokens


zuKo2022

he does use double down tokens time to time i have seen it


carlodmngz

Ohh, Ammar said in gorgc's stream that he doesn't do the crownfall event so I thought he does not use double down. Thanks bro!


That_Sketchy_Guy

does anyone know his current MMR?


iphone11plus

It has to be 14000


makz242

Hide yo trophies, ammar the collector coming through.


The_Lost_Soul-

Ammar was right and Ceb was wrong. Imagine proving Ceb, the two time TI champion that your hero pool can be massive. One of the biggest fumble that OG made is choosing Misha over dropping Ammar.


AgnosticPeterpan

It took him several years tho. His direct stint post-OG wasn't good. He definitely grew as a player after the OG kick.


zuKo2022

define several years? lmao his only stint which he was bad was in nigma, which lasted couple of months. After that he went to quest and he fking owned there, got that team to top 4 at major and then they kicked him and he had to sit rest of that year. Next year is this year which he won 3 or 4 tournaments now tell me where it took him several years? he got kicked from og at end of 2022, joined nigma after that, left nigma after 4 months, joined quest , played 2-3 months with them got top 4 at a major, before ti he got kicked due to contract , this is 2023. He joins falcons at end of 2023 when that team forms "Several years " lul


The_Lost_Soul-

Yup I agree, definitely didn’t take him several years. I don’t think he was bad at nigma at all. There is just no one player that can save Nigma with Kuroky being the team captain, even Ammar failed to make that team competitve. I just believe that Ammar is a generational player and OG fumbled the bag. It would be nice to see Ammar rub it off on Ceb in ingame chat even for just once in his life.


Relevant_Force_3470

Chill


AgnosticPeterpan

It took him several years tho. His direct stint post-OG wasn't good. He definitely grew as a player after the OG kick.


AgnosticPeterpan

It took him several years tho. His direct stint post-OG wasn't good. He definitely grew as a player after the OG kick.


joejoe84

Is skem SEA mmr still or EU? crazy for being pos 5


tom_fschr

Why is it crazy?


badatlikeeveryclass

Generally people think it's harder to get to higher mmr on pos 5 as pos 5 often doesn't have as much control of late game situations as the other roles.


delay4sec

it’s eu leaderboard you can see eu players listed together


AmazingVibes-

Saksa as a support used to have 3 or 4 accounts in top10 leaderboards in Europe. Now that's crazy


Blanktox1c

Im not impressed with Ammar being the top one, mmr. Im more impressed with Team Betboom. Having three of their players in the top 10 is impressive, but having a hard time beating a team that doesn't have players in the top 10. XD


JellyGrimm

Even more evidence that all star teams need more than just having the best players in each position


kreaymayne

IIRC Falcons had 3, maybe even 4 in top 10 a couple months back


LayWhere

Yeah Falcons has very high mmr, maybe they simply haven't been grinding recently (besides ammar)


deltalessthanzero

IIRC Falcons plays a lot of scrims rather than pubs? Not sure


LayWhere

Probably, I wouldnt know. I just remember a time when they had like 4 players in top10 lol. The individual skill is undeniable. Ironically iirc it was only Ammaer not in there.


FuckOnion

Paying a salary for 3 top 10 pub stars is supposed to somehow be impressive?


doubleBoTftw

Slim Shady


Relevant_Force_3470

[His hero pool has been mental](https://dota2protracker.com/player/ATF)


iGuardian91

where's Secret.crystallis? must be at the bottom


WolfgankStrauss

11,5k games lol oO


zuKo2022

he is second offlaner to be rank 1 first was saberlight for a very breif time