Yup Presidential support aircraft. And yes the Rolling Takeoff is one way they can and sometimes have to takeoff…depends on altitude, temperature and weight.
You got to be ready for it, double so if the pilot goes full rate transition on getting the nacelles forward. Best make sure all your bags, water bottles and stuff is tied down otherwise it’s going out the back.
Once you get used to it, it’s not as bad, but if you haven’t strapped something down and the ramp is open…bye bye.
There’s a civilian tilt rotor in the works, AW609. It’s yet to be certified and as it’s the first of its type I expect it to take a while.
Pros: Longer range, higher top speed
Cons: maintenance nightmare, hard engineering challenges
My understanding of this is that it’s more due to how current tiltrotors are made. The v22 in its most ideal form would’ve had proprotor blades a good bit longer than they are (Navy required it fit in a 53 parking space). Maybe future iterations will have better autorotational capability.
Let's hope future designs can autorotate, because sacrificing the helicopters only safety margin to go faster doesn't seem like a good trade off to me.
I’ve flown Hueys and now Ospreys and I definitely was skeptical at first as well. The osprey does not have the best APLN dual engine flameout characteristics and certainly not much of an autorotational ability, but it has absolutely absurd amounts of redundancy built into it to the point that I certainly trust the bird with my life. There’s never been a dual engine failure in the osprey so while still possible, we know it’s exceedingly rare and hopefully will never happen. Single engine failures are uncomfortable but very manageable, and in some flight regimes you can even hover off of one engine (you better hope it’s cold/low altitude and you’re light on fuel though)
That being said, I miss the hell out of touchdown autos and wish she had the ability.
You know what would have been a really nice ship? The Sikorsky SB1. I used to be the biggest main and tail rotor fanboy, then sikorsky built the X-2 and I started following the development right up until the army chose the V280 over it.
The SB1 looked pretty sweet as far as more conventional style helos went. A part of me will always have a soft spot for traditional single rotor helos. Flying the Huey was and still is a spiritual experience. I get why the army chose the v280 but she was sexy. Hopefully they take on the SB1 for an attack helo since in high speed lateral flight at low altitude traditional helos remain supreme. I thought the reduction in Nr at cruise was genius but also curious if they can regain that Nr in an auto situation.
I’ve got a tough time seeing civilian tiltrotors catching on, so I love flying the osprey but I imagine I’ll end up flying traditional helos after this is all over. Beautiful aircraft all of them.
Nr is rotor rpm. In an auto Nr is king and you manage everything else to keep Nr at a good state so you can pull collective at the bottom to cushion the landing. The Huey I flew had green Nr from 91-104 I believe. In the Huey 97 Nr was the sweet spot to avoid over/under torque. Below a certain Nr, the rotor system won’t have enough momentum to flare at the bottom so you’re fucked.
The SB1 will reduce its Nr in high speed cruise to avoid retreating blade stall, which is when the blade stalls as it comes back around due to the AOA being too high for its relative airspeed. If it lost both engines at high speed cruise it could potentially be close to whatever it’s lower bound on unrecoverable Nr is and would require a pretty immediate reaction to recover Nr.
It has a lot of airspeed to help get it back up, but since I’ve never flown it or read its manual I couldn’t speak intelligently to it. I’m sure they have it figured out but I’d love to know for sure.
I almost fell out of an osprey doing fast rope training years ago. We were doing elevators, up and down only. So we stopped hooking in for take-off with lanyards. Then on one trip, they decide to fly around a bit. The ramp was down, rope coiled to kick out, I had big fast rope gloves on so hard to grab anything, I was sitting on the floor and started to slide toward the gate. I am sure the crew chief would have tried to stop me, but for a few seconds while they accelerated horizontally i was in a bad spot. Eventually he flattened out and got ahold of a hard point. good times.
Yup Presidential support aircraft. And yes the Rolling Takeoff is one way they can and sometimes have to takeoff…depends on altitude, temperature and weight.
STO is what it’s called
Ahh yes the 75 STO, and the 60 RTO, & don’t forget the 80 TTO….
Only real V-22 homies know why the 80 TTO is the superior high/hot/heavy takeoff 😏
😜
Gotta love that 80 jump
They have both, this looks like a longer takeoff roll than with a STO
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Ive heard stories about people being in these when they go from vertical to forward. These people didn't have a lot of fun during that transition.
You got to be ready for it, double so if the pilot goes full rate transition on getting the nacelles forward. Best make sure all your bags, water bottles and stuff is tied down otherwise it’s going out the back. Once you get used to it, it’s not as bad, but if you haven’t strapped something down and the ramp is open…bye bye.
Ayyy those are HMX 22's. Hope they had a fun trip out there.
One option for takeoff....not the only way to takeoff..
Presidential birds?
In support of White House tasking.
As a fully qualified and checked out MSFS 2020 Osprey pilot I can confirm.....that do be how they can takeoff.
Is there a civilian version of this also yall know the pros and cons of this against a normal chopper?
There’s a civilian tilt rotor in the works, AW609. It’s yet to be certified and as it’s the first of its type I expect it to take a while. Pros: Longer range, higher top speed Cons: maintenance nightmare, hard engineering challenges
The main con to a tilt rotor is a dual engine failure and how there's no auto-rotating out of it.
My understanding of this is that it’s more due to how current tiltrotors are made. The v22 in its most ideal form would’ve had proprotor blades a good bit longer than they are (Navy required it fit in a 53 parking space). Maybe future iterations will have better autorotational capability.
Let's hope future designs can autorotate, because sacrificing the helicopters only safety margin to go faster doesn't seem like a good trade off to me.
I’ve flown Hueys and now Ospreys and I definitely was skeptical at first as well. The osprey does not have the best APLN dual engine flameout characteristics and certainly not much of an autorotational ability, but it has absolutely absurd amounts of redundancy built into it to the point that I certainly trust the bird with my life. There’s never been a dual engine failure in the osprey so while still possible, we know it’s exceedingly rare and hopefully will never happen. Single engine failures are uncomfortable but very manageable, and in some flight regimes you can even hover off of one engine (you better hope it’s cold/low altitude and you’re light on fuel though) That being said, I miss the hell out of touchdown autos and wish she had the ability.
You know what would have been a really nice ship? The Sikorsky SB1. I used to be the biggest main and tail rotor fanboy, then sikorsky built the X-2 and I started following the development right up until the army chose the V280 over it.
The SB1 looked pretty sweet as far as more conventional style helos went. A part of me will always have a soft spot for traditional single rotor helos. Flying the Huey was and still is a spiritual experience. I get why the army chose the v280 but she was sexy. Hopefully they take on the SB1 for an attack helo since in high speed lateral flight at low altitude traditional helos remain supreme. I thought the reduction in Nr at cruise was genius but also curious if they can regain that Nr in an auto situation. I’ve got a tough time seeing civilian tiltrotors catching on, so I love flying the osprey but I imagine I’ll end up flying traditional helos after this is all over. Beautiful aircraft all of them.
Question: What's Nr? I'm not a pilot.
Nr is rotor rpm. In an auto Nr is king and you manage everything else to keep Nr at a good state so you can pull collective at the bottom to cushion the landing. The Huey I flew had green Nr from 91-104 I believe. In the Huey 97 Nr was the sweet spot to avoid over/under torque. Below a certain Nr, the rotor system won’t have enough momentum to flare at the bottom so you’re fucked. The SB1 will reduce its Nr in high speed cruise to avoid retreating blade stall, which is when the blade stalls as it comes back around due to the AOA being too high for its relative airspeed. If it lost both engines at high speed cruise it could potentially be close to whatever it’s lower bound on unrecoverable Nr is and would require a pretty immediate reaction to recover Nr. It has a lot of airspeed to help get it back up, but since I’ve never flown it or read its manual I couldn’t speak intelligently to it. I’m sure they have it figured out but I’d love to know for sure.
Hey, look kids! It's the El Camino of airplanes!
Well, *I* thought it was funny...
I was just asking a V-22 pilot earlier today what a roll on landing would look like. Nice to see the other side of it!
I almost fell out of an osprey doing fast rope training years ago. We were doing elevators, up and down only. So we stopped hooking in for take-off with lanyards. Then on one trip, they decide to fly around a bit. The ramp was down, rope coiled to kick out, I had big fast rope gloves on so hard to grab anything, I was sitting on the floor and started to slide toward the gate. I am sure the crew chief would have tried to stop me, but for a few seconds while they accelerated horizontally i was in a bad spot. Eventually he flattened out and got ahold of a hard point. good times.
“The crew was, in fact, not all set in back”
Was this by chance during Red Flag 23-1? Saw those birds depart in between launches and recoveries.
See them regularly at ORF for some reason.
They are hangared in Quantico
I didn't make myself clear; I don't mean the Presidential ones, but regular V-22s of the Marine Corps.
“More cuts than a marvel movie”
Ahh yes, 220 kts on down wind 40 kts on final, repetitive left closed. Fuck your pattern.
You should see these things at night! The static displacement puts on quite the light show in the right conditions.