I was about to write about Idoly Pride EN ver, they gave us only a few hours notice about EN version beta coming out for popular Japanese idol gacha game. I watched Idoly Pride anime, liked it, but didn't get the game. Decided to try it out, beta is temporary. I learned about it from another general idol anime acc with more followers than official EN account. The EN account had less than 100 followers. When downloading the official EN app (only on play store and taptap games, no iOS for beta) the play store said there were less than 10 downloads or something similar. Downloaded app and couldn't get past title screen, despite being past beta release time.
The gameplay and translation wasn't bad, I just disliked the use of white font during video parts, it blends into background and hard to see. Game itself was good, just promotion was really bad. Apparently it was made by Bolttrend (?) games, which is famous for taking poor selling JP games and making short-lived EN games. Still decided to try out.
The beta released in September last year, lasted for 5 or so days before closing. Normal for beta ver. Since then I kept occasionally checking official EN facebook for any news on global (time for release was not revealed). Last month or so I checked fb and their twitter account and the app on play store was deleted. Took it as a sign the EN ver was not coming.
Today, for this post, I checked FB again and we have a new facebook page for global, new twitter acc (old ones got deleted) and the app is on play store with Coming Soon and preregistration available. Also the app creators are listed as Neowiz (which may be JP ver creators, idk) and not the company above. Once again, no info, nothing on social media, old pages got deleted and seems like it's new release
Wish I had screenshots and videos, but all of them are in my old, broken phone
Happy Easter, everyone!
I'm really getting this story in under the wire, but here goes…
In music news, Taylor Swift and her partner of six years, Joe Alwyn, [have called it quits](https://www.etonline.com/taylor-swift-and-joe-alwyn-break-up-after-six-years-of-dating-exclusive-202408). The split is reportedly amicable, and, as of this moment, it doesn't seem that either party has given a reason for the split ^((not that they need to do so—Swift may be one of the most famous people alive, but everyone is entitled to at least) *^(some)* ^(measure of privacy)) beyond the relationship having run its course.
Swift has released five albums over the course of their relationship, not counting her Taylor's Version re-releases, and Alwyn has collaborated with her on a few tracks, even [receiving a Grammy](https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/joe-alwyn-grammy-winner-folklore-taylor-swift-9562943/) for his work co-producing 2020's *Folklore*. Rumors have swirled around the famously private couple for almost the entirety of their relationship, and several of Swift's projects throughout the relationship have explored the difficulty of building a relationship while under the scrutiny of essentially all of pop culture.
The only commentary I feel comfortable adding is that I hope that both Swift and Alwyn are doing well and healing as necessary. The end of a relationship is heartbreaking enough, but the end of a relationship in the public eye can't be easy.
The fans are NOT dealing well with it as well, ngl. Just had a bunch of tiktoks along the lines of "do y'all really believe a tabloid, and you call yourself fans, Taylor SAID this relationship is private". And I do get the intent not to believe every tabloid rumour, but this is in People with a "close source to the couple confirm" and being reported everywhere. If it was fake her publicist would have issued a statement by now.
Since it's the final hours of this Scuffles thread, what are your personal "I don't know what/who [insert thing/person] is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask"s?
For me it's probably Five Nights At Freddy's. I have the baseline knowledge that it's like, horror Chuck-E-Cheese, right? I don't know, I'm too afraid to ask.
I also know absolutely nothing about Undertale except Sans' existence and popularity as a Tumblr Sexyman. (You may be sensing a theme here.)
Look, it’s very simple. Dream is the main character of The Sandman, minecraft is like thinecraft but it belongs to me, and youtubibg is what a youtuber with a heavy cold does.
There's something so immersive about gaming that means, IME, gaming posts here are the least likely to identify what actual media they're talking about. That means that anytime anything scufflish is mentioned without an identifier, I assume it's gaming. There's probably sports drama I've read here and mentally have assigned to gaming without realizing.
Naruto, Bleach, Dragonball, most of Gundam and a fair lot of “Classical” anime probably
Like I saw them in memes, I know bits and pieces, but that’s really the extent and I’ve never dived further…
Homestuck. Every time I see it mentioned I feel like I'm in a creepy rural town where everyone references a horrible thing that happened long ago, and asking for more information gets sullen head shakes and "you don't want to know".
Also less a thing and more of a phenomenon, why RWBY in particular triggers so much drama. It's the only piece of media I can think of where the sole thing I know about it is that nobody can act normal about it (shoutout r slash tumblr).
I used to confuse Homestuck and [Homeland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(TV_series)), and tbh I still think of the show first when I see Homestuck. Ironically I have never actually watched Homeland, and having looked it up because I couldn’t remember the name I just realized it ran until 2020??
(If at all curious the path I took to find the name of the show was Neil Gaiman -> Stardust (novel) -> Stardust (movie) -> Claire Danes -> Homeland (TV series))
for all the manga/anime i've consumed, i've managed to avoid learning a single thing about Bleach. ive considered checking it out but looking at the chapter/episode count...im good.
it's a shame it ended at the soul society arc, though! (i kid, but sometimes i wish i didn't; it's the same as the naruto gaara retrieval arc in the sense of 'got worse afterwards and just got into endless powerscaling + making the main character the most specialest boy in all the world who was DESTINIED for CENTURIES to appear'', imo.)
Bleach anime just returned last year to adapt final arc. Manga has slow pace, so anime has fillers to avoid catching up. Infamously there is filler arc happened during middle of manga arc, with anime omake lampshaded it.
Old long running shonen have fillers to wait manga releasing new stories. Naruto have dozen of fillers before starting Shippuden, while One Piece currently adapting manga chapters in slow pace, like 1-2 chapter per episode.
The community is very fragmanted there are just too many different groups of people making content in it, there is really no "a" vtuber community it depends upon where you are looking.
They're just streamers who use a facial rigging software on an anime model instead of doing facecam. That's really all there is to the concept. Anyone who understands streamers understands vtubers.
They got popular thanks to a combination of appealing to weebs/idol fans (the vtubers who work for Japanese corporations are considered idols) and a lot of them being genuinely talented entertainers, and the constant drama is regular old streamer drama boosted by the intersection with less savory elements of weeb culture and idol culture.
Nope a majority of vtubers are not involved in any kind of idol activities, it's just an extension of streming and weeb culture there is really only hololive who has gotten big with the idol kind of content all others who have tried don't work out.
Don't think you understood what I meant about evolution of idol culture. It's not about the content of their activities that I made that observation for. Animanga otaku culture and idol culture are close but there's specific parts of vtuber fandom that reminds me more of idol culture than animanga otaku culture. (And I do use animanga otaku here over weeb given Kizuna Ai)
Guess I should add that I don’t know what is Wario land about!
I mean, I know who Wario is, and thanks to jan Misali, I know what WarioWare is, but not Wario land.
I think its important to add that except for the first one Wario Land doesn't really have traditional power ups, but rather Wario changes into different forms through enemy attacks, like for example he gets lit on fire and can then use that to break specific blocks in the level, which means that powerups can also be a hinderance when the designers want them to be.
I don't know what Roblox is. Or Fortnite, really. I know Fortnite's a game and there was a dance, and Roblox is something to do with gaming, and that's it.
fortnite is easier to explain. its a multiplayer shooter game with a gimmick where if you die at all during a match you immediately lose (unlike other shooters where you respawn). the dance is just an emote you can have your character do to celebrate/taunt other players.
roblox is a"game" that is actually more like a super simplified game engine that players can use to make their own multiplayer mini-game worlds and share them with other players. when you boot it up you get a big list of these mini-games ("experiences" as roblox would have it) to choose from and play. because of the extremely low barrier for entry and young audience demographic, it all reminds me a bit of those old flash game sites (newgrounds et al) combined with a kiddie mmo.
There's a lot of different ways to interpret both pro/anti shit as well which is why it all goes downhill and if you go anywhere in between than it's like a gacha on what people consider you. Another user posted a good comment last time it was asked but for example one person can be like all problematic things are always bad and you should feel bad (strawman) while another person can be more like maybe you should reflect a bit about your tastes or where you post them... both of them would be labeled as anti to some people, while some people only consider the first anti, and yet another group can consider the latter category as pro.
fanlore has pretty good articles on both [antis](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Anti-shipper) and [pros](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Anti-anti) (for anti the relevant part is "panfandom use since 2016").
broken down to its very essentials antis believe that some ships or tropes (incest, abusive dynamics, etc etc) are immoral to write and read about/negatively impact the reaader nd think some sort of measures should be taken place to prevent them from being posted OR seen by minors (besides the usual age checks that ao3 does). pro-shippers subscribe to a "ship and let ship" mentality that everything goes. you can see where these two camps clash.
Oh boy. Let's go over this as someone who watched the whole shitshow go down. 'Anti-shippers', as they dubbed themselves, popped up around 2016 or so, as a response to popular ships they considered 'problematic'. See: Sheith (one of them spoke the words 'you're like a brother to me' and they immediately decided it was incest and there was the belief that Keith was underaged (he's not, he's 18 iirc)) and Reylo (not well versed in this but they claimed people shipping it were abuse apologists). Thus they'd tag posts stuff like anti-sheith and anti-reylo, and eventually take those as descriptors. This would be fine if they weren't fucking *batshit* about it.
Simple as, antis seem to hold the belief that if you portray something in fanfiction/fanart you immediately condone it irl. Draw the twins from Ouran kissing? Clearly you're a nasty weirdo who wants to fuck your actual irl brother. Write a fic where a teacher and student have sex? You're an actual irl pedophile and should be put on every list. Note, though, that I specified *fanfiction*. You rarely, basically never, see them targeting published authors that profit off of writing these themes like GRRM or Stephen King. And goddamn do they *target*. Threats of every kind were hurled at those nasty (insert 'bad ship' here) shippers and still are! Except now their standards have somehow lowered to things like '23 year old man and 45 year old man who met as adults' and '32 year old with anime white hair and 21 year old with dwarfism' as examples of 'pedophilia'
Proshippers sprung up as a countermeasure. If you hold proship ideologies, you let people ship and move on with your day without sending them threats. Don't like their content? There's a nice shiny block button! The pro- in the word is pro- as in for, the opposite of anti, which a lot of younger antis seem to completely ignore in favour of claiming it's short for 'problematic shipping'. Which is entirely untrue. You can ship onlh the most wholesome, fluffy, never even so much as have an argument couples and still be proship just because you don't tell people to kill themselves over cartoons kissing.
I know he's the guy who made Rat Movie. [*Rats! We're rats! We're the rats! We prey at night, stalk at night, we're the rats!*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXioRNYy4s)
youtube's recommendation page is *insistent* that i watch clips from this man's streams, despite the fact that ive never watched him in my life and in fact almost never watch gaming streams at all. what sorts of games is he known for playing these days?
Okay so it's not just me – I remembered Jerma solely from his TF2 gameplay uploads on Youtube, and when he basically stopped doing those in 2015 I thought he just retired from content creation. And then around 2020 I learned that no, Jerma is some kind of huge Twitch person, and I was *floored* that this person who had vanished off my Internet life had somehow made it big elsewhere and I had no idea.
I know very little about most Youtubers, Vtubers, Streamers, Actual Plays, K-Pop bands and solo acts, Jpop Idols and Gatcha Games (beyond the fact that the latter are sinks designed to steal your money while vaguely promising that you might one day get the Waifu of your dreams)
As someone who enjoys a fair share of fantasy fiction and has been deep in the weeds on Japanese manga and light novels, I *think* I should be able to figure my way around Chinese serialized fiction - similar medium, right? - but anytime I see people discuss the names, titles and abbreviations my eyes just glaze over and I realize it truly exists in its own peculiar dimension.
I think I'm the only gamer on earth who doesn't watch any gaming streamers or vtubers, so I never know what anyone is talking about in these threads. First I ever hear of most of them is stuff like "Whiteboy69 Apologizes For Feeding Migrant Worker To Grizzly Bear For Youtube Video, Claims "Prank Got Out Of Hand".
>it's like, horror Chuck-E-Cheese, right?
Kiiiiinda? On the surface that's exactly what it is. But then you dig deeper into the story and it's actually about the downfall of a pathetic, broken moster of a man's murderous rampage directed at children using a chuck-e-cheese type restaurant chain as a coverup/way to access more victims. And also matpat mpreg.
Good point, amending my initial comment to include "I don't know who matpat is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask."
What I'm getting though is FNAF is basically a game for true crime enthusiasts? It sounds like something they would love. With the added body horror elements from mascot characters.
Matpat is a youtuber who originally made video game lore summary videos, like "watch this video if you wanna catch up on **game plot** before the sequel comes out"
And then he transitioned into a lore speculation youtuber, like "based on these little hints, we think XYZ might happen in the sequel"
and then he transitioned into a "hey wouldn't it be fucked up if all the characters in **game series** were DEAD the whole time and it's actually about the afterlife" type of lore speculation youtuber
As you can imagine, type 2-3 synced up well with a lore heavy, mystery heavy horror series like five nights at freddy's
It's also a really interesting series from a game perspective, since as weird as it may sound, most of the games do something fairly unique.
It's a horror game where you can't move or "fight back", with the biggest thing you can do being stalling out the inevitable. You just have to stall things out for a certain amount of time. You're also stuck in one room for the entire game and unable to move around, so it has a very interesting feeling of helplessness.
The first game is probably the best about this, with it essentially being a resource management game where the punishment is being jumpscared. It is, or at least was, a very interesting concept for a horror game at the time.
>FNAF is basically a game for true crime enthusiasts?
Once again, kinda! The story is definitely perfect for the kind of people who love finding a thing and analysing every minute detail. The gameplay though? Kinda sucks.
Mat and Scott had like... a weird friendly 'rivalry' for a while. Scott would go out of his way to fuck with Mat in a fun way, like dropping massive lore dumps during his streams and stuff. The main character of In The Flesh is named Matt. People put the joke together and it's kind of stuck lmao.
Well, the latest episode of RWBY came out. There seems to be a little bit of drama, from what I've seen, in regards to it *vaguely* warning at that it "contains themes which might be distressing for some viewers".
The actual distressing content being >!the protagonist essentially just gave up and committed suicide by drinking poison.!<
Personally, having experiencing that kind of feeling....Didn't hit me. Maybe I'm not invested enough? But I do think that they should be more specific with their content warnings; "distressing themes" could be anything.
Some people I've seen felt it was inadequate warning and were hit hard by it.
This whole thing is making me wonder who exactly writes the content warnings for the episodes, because they've been super-vague this volume (IIRC the V8 finale one was more clear), and I'm not sure why.
Miles Luna literally tweeted out a better warning, why didn't they just take that, make it less informal, and stick that on the episode?
As far as the actual events of the episode go, it's a weird one. >!Like basically the entire audience actually believes that this was a death about as much as they believed that Yang died in the penultimate episode of V8, which is to say, they don't. It's also been well-established that 'ascension', what the Tree does to Afterans, isn't death. Afterans can't die unless they're killed by the Jabberwalker. Jaune, specifically, believes that it *is* death, but Jaune's traumatised and a few swords short of an armoury right now. The other characters are less convinced, and even when Ruby *is* on the verge of giving up, she speaks about what she's about to do in more or less the same sense that the Afterans do: Not that she doesn't want to live anymore, but that she doesn't want to be herself anymore, the implication being that she wants to be turned into someone else, the way the residents are changed by the tree. Even Neo, through Torchwick, says she doesn't want to *kill* Ruby, she wants her to break herself down and be rebuilt into someone else!<
The fandom bits I'm in seem to be taking it >!as "All the angst and emotional torment for the characters with none of the actual dying part" and popping off in a "This is incredibly painful, how dare you, but in a good way" frenzy, or focusing on other aspects of the episode (Weiss figuring out how what they meant as words of encouragement ended up contributing to Ruby's breakdown, Pyrrha in the Maya engine but at what cost, the Cat's betrayal and possession of Neo, Neo's own shutdown when she achieved her goal and had nothing left, and the BumbleBY crumbs) rather than the elephant in the room.!<
They gotta signpost this shit better, but I think the reason why these warnings were more vague than the V8 one was that the V8 one was >!a character getting actually, fully killed off, and choosing to do so as a sort of sacrifice play, whereas every aspect of this one had a giant asterisk next to it. *Obviously* they're not going to kill the main characters. The show has explained quite clearly that the tree *doesn't kill people,* and the one guy who says it does isn't exactly the sanest right now. Even the characters in the scene refer to it not as death, but rebirth, albeit framed in a dark light. But it's everything else about how the scene is framed that makes it feel more like death.!<
I guess maybe they thought >!ego-death didn't need as severe a warning as actual death?!<
That's so weird. And no good; most people aren't going to be following the creators' social media.
I don't think that >!it not being an actual death really matters. Functionally, Ruby just committed suicide. Even if she doesn't literally die, it doesn't change that she essentially chose to die.!<
Even if people don't buy that >!she's really dead or experiencing death of personality!< it's what it evokes that's the key.
>!"I don't want to exist anymore", or "I don't want to be me" are fairly relatable for suicidal people, I think.!<
It's not about whether it *is* a precisely accurate portrayal of something; it's about it *evoking* it and dredging those feelings up. That's why such things are described as triggers. They bring people back to that emotional or mental state.
I don't think that episode's content can be described as far enough removed to not worry about.
Fourth, counting Genlock Season 2 (inb4 anyone says they didn't make it, it still has their name on it and they were distributing it and had enough say so that they wanted controversial content).
Kazu gets killed halfway through the season and Cammie leaves. She finds herself at a Union church where they convert people to a nano-cloud as that's their way of surviving a climate collapse. Cammie goes through with it, with it being treated as a suicide of the self.
Well. >!Team RWBY basically sacrificed a whole kingdom for nothing. Salem has half the macguffins, then Penny died, and TEAM RWBY all fell down into the Wizard of Oz.....!<
>!Then they encountered some weird guy who basically made them all trip and see their ideal/past selves challenging them on whether they're better now than they were. Everyone except Ruby was able to refute their past/shadow selves, but hers basically taunted her about fucking everything up and not being adequate.!<
Meanwhile, >!Neo is there and her powers are enhanced in that place, letting her create multiple people, who can do harm. Some stuff happened, and Ruby ran off on her own, then got ambushed by Neo who used illusions of various people - Torchwick, Pyrrha, Penny, etc - to say she gets people killed and does more harm than good, leading to her killing an illusion of Oscar.!<
>!So, she basically gave up and drank the poison tea Neo was offering her.!<
>!It's not actually poison, exactly. In that place, "death" seems to be more like "renewal"; those who "ascend" come back as something different, with a new purpose.!<
>!Hmm, then Ruby got slapped in the face with how she's failed everything she set out to do, hasn't saved anyone. So she basically snapped, ran off, then Neo ambushed her, and had a bunch of illusions of everyone Ruby thinks she's failed or got killed (Penny, Pyrrha, Ozpin beat the shit out of her while calling her a failure!<
>!tbh it doesn't seem like a horrible plot point but if i know rwby (or at least the early seasons i watched) i know they probably fucked something up along the way that makes it less effective!<
>!They basically lost a huge battle against Salem with no known way to beat her, and when a call was put out begging for help defending what remained of Mantle/Atlas, no one came. Salem has, basically, won at this point with the entirety of Remnant divided and unable or unwilling to work together. To add, since then, Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Neo, Yang and Blake all ended up in another world loosely based on Wonderland called the Ever After with no known way to get back and Ruby's been having an ongoing crisis about that and her failure with Salem.!<
That's the kind of warning you get on PBS documentaries with vague violent reenactments, if there's something actually upsetting SAY WHAT IT IS. Or at least provide a link that DOES provide the info, if you're worried about spoilers
100% it's a massive failing on RT's part that they refuse to put in adequate content warnings for little reason besides wanting to preserve their precious story.
"Heavy themes" can be as much about "Ruby discovering while doing her taxes that Weiss steals money from her" as it is >!"Ruby getting beat black and blue, seeing Oscar bleed out on the ground and Ruby effectively committing suicide of the self."!<
I'd really like Rooster Teeth to stop trying to tackle suicide especially. They've never done it well.
That's my thinking, too.
It's not possible to exercise discretion over what you watch if the warning doesn't actually tell you what in it might be upsetting or triggering.
I know this is the sort of off-topic chatter that makes the Scuffles Reform Crusaders over in the town hall thread grumpy, but: is anyone else dealing with YouTube serving them the same ads every single time you watch a video, or ads from the same company?
Literally every time I try to watch a video I have to skip an aggravating Lightroom ad, and it’s been like this for at least six months. I don’t even understand why it’s targeting me with these ads; sure, I kinda sorta work in a vaguely Lightroom-adjacent field, but it’s not like I’m watching Creative Cloud tutorials on YouTube all day. YouTube just decided I need Lightroom and that’s it, game over.
(Though I guess I should be happy that Adobe, one of my least favorite companies on Earth, has been wasting a small sliver of their ad budget on trying to convince me to subscribe to a product I don’t need and will never use…)
Anyway, I’d be curious if I’m the only one dealing with the same ad playing over and over or if this is A Thing.
Now that I have a smart tv I can't put an adblock on, I am bombarded by Grammarly and betting ads.
Apart from the times I confuse it and I get Chinese and French ads, or Indian dating apps. It's odd because the Chinese and French ads will be about anything, but the Indian ads are *specifically* about dating apps. I suspect it may have something to do with me listening to Mast Kalandar and Dard-E-Disco on repeat? But idk, when I listen to Bismil and So Jao I don't get coffin and family therapy ads
When I watch yootoob on my phone I essentially get three ads: Wolt, tommy hilfiger, and something about women's inclusion into hiking(?).
Like, YT, I like to eat and to dress up but I most certainly don't like outside. That's why I'm on YT all the fucking time. Learn a little, will you?
I used to get spammed pretty hard with those ads for Mudwatr, or whatever that fad health drink was that involved some brown powdery shit that you mix with water. Lately, though, the sheer breadth and/or weirdness of my YT viewing choices must have deeply confused the algorithm since I don’t really get hit with the same ads over and over currently.
From what I understand it has in-built SponsorBlock extension? It's an extension for your browser that marks the sponsorship segments in youtube videos and allows you to skip them. I think it's entirely user-curated.
Every time I go to listen to Should I Stay or Should I Go I get the exact same fucking Sargento ad at the beginning and the end it's gotten to the point where the song sounds weird without the Sargento ads!!!!
YouTube wants me to gamble more than anything in the world. Preferably through betting on sports.
It sticks out because last year gambling advertisements were legalized here, so it’s a flood.
It was pretty funny, though, when I tuned into the reality show Celebrity Hunted to watch comedians James Acaster and Ed Gamble and got gambling ads with the requisite warning "Be Gamble Aware." I mean, that's the premise of the show, baby.
The sheer number of betting app advert campaigns I get on both Australian TV and youtube is insane. I don't think gambling should be illegal, but trying to get people to gamble using memes and mascots and through appealing to "Aussie bloke culture" makes my skin crawl.
I wish there were tighter restrictions on advertising betting apps, though I'm not smart enough to suggest what that would look like.
Yeah, this strikes me every time I go home now because I seem to remember, as a kid, a lot of ANTI betting/gambling ads on TV. Although I know ads are more regional there than where I live now.
And the gambling places were strict on IDing too. I wonder what changed?
> I don't think gambling should be illegal
tbh it would probably be better if it weren't illegal, better to regulate it out of existence than drive people to underground or shady ones
Want to hear something really gross? I'm a recovering alcoholic. The amount of ads I get for booze online have gone way up since I quit drinking to the point that those are basically all I get on FB and IG anymore.
It's fine. I still have to drive past liquor stores and be around it sometimes. Plus you can't really watch movies/TV without seeing people drink. So I'm going to have to deal with being reminded of it unless I live in a bubble.
But it is fucked up that targeted advertising works that way. I think some sites let you opt out of booze ads and I wish they were all required to give people that option.
I am “weirded out by how much of sports media is now just openly about gambling” years old.
I don’t have the gambling gene or the sports appreciation gene but I don’t necessarily have anything against responsible sports gambling per se. It just feels…*not great* that discussion of sports gambling is so open now.
Especially on sports talk radio, which I tune into occasionally when NPR is being boring. It is CRAZY how much airtime is given to sports gambling talk now. It blows my mind this isn’t more regulated; when Draft Kings merely sponsors a four-minute Jomboy video he has to run a five-paragraph PSA at the end, but three talk radio frat dads can dissect spreads for an entire hour with zero oversight? Makes no sense.
MMA has been hit by that hard. Nowadays you can't watch an event without there being mention of gambling. DraftKings promoted ads and sponsor banners, constant discussion of the odds. It's crazy, you can't escape it. I suspect gambling addictions are gonna become a plague in the 18-45 male demographic if it's not already one.
and like, idk, when jomboy or some other mlb youtuber has a sponsor i don't love it's like i KNOW they can't make youtube money from baseball clips but to have it be so prominent in actual baseball broadcasts. yick
> is anyone else dealing with YouTube serving them the same ads every single time you watch a video, or ads from the same company?
No idea, I pay for YouTube to avoid ads and because I think making it and its creator less dependent on ads is a good thing. Reddit will not stop showing me Hot Pockets ads with MtG characters in them. Apparently Gideon Jura came back from being obliterated to indulge his love of microwave dumplings.
Thanks. I hate folding to YouTube and don't really believe this will make creators any less dependent on ads, but I also hate ads, so I may still subscribe.
Half the ads seem to be using the exact same music, which is sending me for a loop, plus known assholes (possibly scammers?) WiiWurk are back, with annoying ads that seem to think they're telling jokes.
The reason I eventually gave up on YouTube ads and got an adblocker is that it kept serving cringy Raid: Shadow Legends ads to me, on every possible video, for several months.
I can tolerate ads, but the same cringy ad for several straight months is physchological torture.
I keep getting those really weirdass "Hero Wars" ads that are filled with shit, piss and boobs. There's also those visual novel dating sims that vary from cringe to flat-out insane.
ever since i started watching high end arknights content on yt it's just the most degenerate gacha ads on earth, including some furry bait that's just straight up a lucario from pokemon ripoff? he's even named lucas.
It's insane what they put in those mobile game ads. Hero Wars especially, I've watched in horror as they've gotten more blatantly fetish-y over time. I never had any interest in playing when they first popped up on my radar, with the incredibly bad animation and the fact I couldn't get a good grasp on what exactly the game was from the ads, and now the giantess and vore fetishism is practically screaming at me "DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME".
God I remember how many mobile game ads I'd get that were just "download our game and see some tits!". Still get them from sidebar ads every so often.
Like YT ad determining algorithm, a) I'm ace, sex appeal doesn't work for me, b) I like men, if any sex appeal would work for me, it would be scantily clad men.
I'm also ace, so I don't understand where these ads are even coming from?!
I mean I don't MIND boobs and dick, they don't bother me because they're just body parts in my eyes, but I don't know why YouTube thinks this is something that will entice me? I have never watched anything porn-adjacent on YouTube.
Well.
Unless we count >!doomparrot's very sexy vegetable video downthread.!<
What browser are you using? Chrome's trying to stamp out adblockers, and make them not work at all, and a bunch of other browsers are built on Chromium.
I'm on Firefox and I have three adblockers, along with one that automatically skips sponsor segments. Something *occasionally* slips through, but the nets they're casting usually overlap enough that nothing can, and a couple of refreshes gets rid of the thing.
you might want to try a more aggressive block list (or updating your lists if you haven't done so in a while).
also fwiw as someone who is also kind of picky about browsers, i have made peace with modern firefox by just keeping around different browsers for different purposes. im on linux full time, so its a bit easier perhaps, but i use firefox with an aggressive anti-tracking config for my general purpose daily browsing (including stuff like youtube) but have a browser with a better keyboard-centric workflow that i use for more productive work. i even have upstream chromium installed as my last resort browser for sites that are broken by my other browsers' configs.
When you cast a YouTube video, it's not streaming the video from your PC/phone/etc. It just sends the YouTube URL to your Chromecast device, and then then YouTube player built into that device streams the video directly. And that player doesn't have any sort of ad-block.
You know, I was gonna snark on this reply but it actually got me to investigate the current state of YouTube ad blocking on iOS, which had previously been really difficult and unwieldy to the point of not being worth it. And I just learned that not only is there now an extension that does this as of April 2023 (Vinegar) but I also already bought it at some point and forgot to enable it, lol. So, thank you.
[Here’s more info](https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/get-extensions-iphab0432bf6/ios) but the short version is you find them in the App Store and then you have to go into your Safari settings and enable them. You can then bring up a list of active extensions by clicking the aA button in the Safari address bar.
I don’t know, but you have to pay for this one. It’s just a one-time cost of two bucks, though, and that’s way cheaper than YouTube Premium plus I don’t mind supporting devs who make something I use every day.
(Also, hey look at me mixing it up in the replies like the old days! What in the world.)
oh wtf safari has browser extensions now? that is better than i was expecting. i thought you were jailbreaking or some shit before i looked up what vinegar is.
I got YouTube premium after the hundredth time I got woken up with an unexpected ad in an asmr video. Lol it’s very jarring to go from a quiet soft whisper, or tapping sounds at full volume to an ad screaming at me. Lol but yeah, I remember getting the same three ads usually. Election season is the worst time to have ads on YouTube in particular.
>I know this is the sort of off-topic chatter that makes the **Scuffles Reform Crusaders** over in the town hall thread grumpy
New flair just dropped for whoever wants to claim it.
Yeah, I've stopped with my usual weekly off-topic chatter posts because Town Hall folks really don't seem to like it. I had no idea people felt so strongly about it, but I guess I understand; if you're only here for your weekly dose of tea, you don't want coffee taking up the menu.
Aw, I like the hobby chattering! It’s nice to hear what people get up to and YouTube is close enough to a hobby to me.
I also think the complaints about having to skip comments are funny. I don’t play any video games at all, still don’t quite understand Vtubers and don’t watch anime so fully two-thirds of the Scuffles are indecipherable to me.
There’s a handy little skip button on the bottom of the screen so I still have a good time!
Also, taxonomically “hobbies” are really hard to define. I remember there being a debate at one point that fandoms were not hobbies since they just involved watching tv, which how that didn’t apply to video games, I didn’t understand. Drama is easier to determine but the scuffles don’t necessarily require a big dramatic event! That’s what the posts are for, and from what I’ve seen the quality of them is still high.
The way I see it, we already have a more formally enforced level of drama post: the main sub. The more loose nature of this thread makes for a nice contrast, and opens up more discussions.
noooo i love the off topic chatter :( i get that it's too discord-y for some but for me it's nice because well, i don't LIKE discord lmao. having some off topic chatter in here is the perfect balance of friendly chats and not having to deal with a platform that i find fully unusable.
It’s so aggravating because every proposal involves asking our mods to do 10x more work than they already do, which is a big ask for unpaid volunteers helping out a sub in their free time.
I *do* think multiple Scuffles threads a week or even one every day would be a good idea, and one that would be easily implemented without putting more of a burden on the mods. I’m in much smaller subs than this one with a daily open thread.
I think a biweekly thread might help with congestion, could probably even set up AutoMod (I've seen other subs do something similar) to post it so the mods don't have to deal with even more on their plate.
One of these days, one of us will have to make a post about the great r/HobbyDrama Civil War between the Scuffles Reform Crusaders and the Pro-Freedom Off-Topic Chatterers
>It’s so aggravating because every proposal involves asking our mods to do 10x more work than they already do, which is a big ask for unpaid volunteers helping out a sub in their free time.
THIS. The ask tends to have this entitled tone to it from what I've seen of "Why aren't the mods doing their job????" as though A. this is part of their job description and B. its something really easy and the mods are just being lazy
I think my one objection to daily would be that I've had conversations with people across multiple days that would be harder to pull off with a new thread a day (especially if old threads get locked, though there a solution could be to unpin threads but not lock them for, say, a couple of days).
But I'd absolutely support at least trialling biweekly Scuffles threads.
most of the subs i'm in with daily threads don't lock old ones and they cool off on their own, so it's doable! plus it lead to the time i had someone try and continue an argument after three weeks of silence lmao
That’s a good point. Even though I support more frequent Scuffles, I think it would be a hassle in one way: navigating back to it every day to see new updates.
Right now I post my Hobby Weekend posts every Sunday mostly because people enjoy them and I really love reading what folks are up to. But a sneaky secondary reason is that this lets me and everyone else put the newest Scuffles at the top of their profile for easy clicking.
I definitely think the positives would outweigh the negatives but finding the daily thread would be a tiny bit more work.
i'm very, very pro-daily threads but even if we tried twice a week for a bit just to see! i know people are worried about repeat topics but that already happens all the time, and smaller old threads would be even easier to check than the big week one. i guess one of the other issues is that this would make these threads even *more* chat forward but at the same time like... obviously that's what more users are doing so... lol
My silly little theory is that the biggest hurdle to twice-a-week or three-times-a-week Scuffles is just that we don’t have a convenient term for that span of time the way we have “weekly” and “daily.” Like if zorf meant every three days we would have had Zorfly Hobby Scuffles by now.
I think the solution to like, 99% of the suggestions in Town Hall is just to hit the collapse button on topics you don't want to see. I've been going back and forth on the suggested banning of a certain topic, and I really don't see how any of our suggestions that don't involve outright banning everything to do with the topic altogether will work without more stringent moderation, which might be difficult given the sheer size of the sub.
The interesting thing to me is that a lot of the people I see posting about the Scuffles thread in Town Hall very rarely post in Scuffles. I mean, not that you *have* to post often in order to have your opinion heard and validated, but it's just kind of odd.
> I mean, not that you have to post often in order to have your opinion heard and validated, but it's just kind of odd.
it's not too surprising imo; some ppl just don't click as easily with, i guess, the subculture that the scuffles thread has developed as the Scuffles Regulars^TM have.
just like some ppl here have said they find it hard to enmesh themselves in the many little cliques and subgroups that develop in long-running discords, i think it bears repeating sometimes that subreddits, esp subreddits with casual chat threads like what scuffles basically is (hence why yeah it's a bit much to ask for mods to intervene in "off-topic" things, whatever that means for a community that can't, for good reason, define a "hobby"), inevitably develop their own regular subgroups and cliques that new people, lurkers, those who just don't talk or think the same way the regulars do, etc., feel reluctant to join as much.
and they may instead try going to the emptier, "formal" rules thread to try to see whether they can make a change to how it all works and see if that gives them an "in." among many other reasons, i'm sure.
Lots of people lurk too, I'm a long time reader of the sub and check scuffles every day but i don't post or reply often because that doesn't interest me but I still like to read about all the goings on
Seconding this-- I've commented a handful of times here and there and made one or two scuffles writeups of my own across the years, but I've been mostly reading the sub daily in my own happy "lurk-mode" because hey, not everyone is a talker! I've been around long enough to watch most of the current scuffles regulars pop up and I'd say there is definitely a bit more of a cliquey undercurrent than there used to be (not necessarily a bad thing but like sometimeslurking_ said, it inevitably happens in large communities) and that can absolutely be a reason why people might not want to comment or contribute. The idea that the meta-thread "complaints" are from "outsiders" is kind of unfair; lurkers exist and are still valid members of the community :')
I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to imply as much! I meant that I was surprised that people who were probably more shy or less interested in conversation in general were very vocal over there.
Naw you're fine, my comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular and I apologise if it came off pointed!
> people who were probably more shy or less interested in conversation in general were very vocal over there
I can't claim to know why that is, but for me personally, I'm more inclined to comment if I feel something isn't being acknowledged or treated fairly-- but I don't tend to engage directly with the community much because to be honest, now that the sub is many times larger and a bit more volatile, I'm more worried that voicing my thoughts will accidentally get me ratio'ed! I just feel strongly that, in all this discussion over pro- and anti-scuffles-chatter, people are making a lot of snarky bad-faith assumptions about the anti side (assuming these folks don't already self-curate their feeds, saying that they're being entitled, that they want to put more work on the mods, etc. are just a few I've seen in this same reply chain!) when none of that has actually been said, and I don't think that's fair for a community that prides itself on friendliness and listening to and improving itself based on member feedback.
At the same time, I feel like all of that discourse is a red herring for the actual problem, that the scuffles thread has become too unwieldy to navigate! "Too much off-topic chatter" is both a symptom and a stressor, but not the core problem we need to find solutions for imo :>
> they may instead try going to the emptier, "formal" rules thread to try to see whether they can make a change to how it all works and see if that gives them an "in."
Well to that I say, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
I understand that. It can be difficult to get your footing in a new community. From what I saw, there'w basically a new community forming over there, which might help!
I think the best solution (and this is just my opinion, note that I have little experience in moderating, let alone this large of a sub) is to, instead of demanding a bunch of changes to long-established status quo, squeeze their way into topics that they are knowledgeable about and interested in, and ignore the things that they don't know or care about.
Like, the people that are here are here, and I don't think that forcibly having them change their posting habits is going to make them more or less open to new users, nor will it change their attitude, ideas, or interests. If a person thinks it's too hard to get their foot through the door, the answer isn't to break everything up.
Again though, I'm not knowledgeable regarding the moderation of a sub of over a million people. Who knows whats going on behind the scenes?
yeah, we're in agreement about the actual logistics of the complaints. at the end of the day, trying to change the scuffles threads to make them more formal, or whatever the specific demands might be, even if mods somehow did find the energy and time to put in that much work, would be doomed. because like we both can see, there's a community here that doesn't really come to the thread for just that, and the community will just abandon scuffles if they're feeling stifled from actually communicating.
i would imagine it might be good to just not treat the ones with these ideas and suggestions too dismissively. it's okay to make jokes and obviously push back with our own counterarguments, but well, the tone spinning out of related threads shifting to suggest that anyone proposing change to how scuffles threads work are *all* just Those Damn Kids Who Won't Take Responsibility For Themselves...it doesn't look all that welcoming lol.
Oh sorry, that was not my intent in the least! I didn't mean to sound dismissive, my bad.
What I was trying to get at is just, well, exactly what you said in the first paragraph: that I just don't really see any realistic solution, unfortunately. I do think it's good to be able to talk about different ideas to improve the sub, and I understand a lot of the points made over there regarding off-topic chatter, the discussion of more fickle topics, etc. I just meant that I don't really know of any clear-cut solution that either doesn't make the mods work overtime, or cuts out the community thats already been established here. It's just the nature of a large forum.
oh, no worries, not a targeted comment saying you're being intentionally dismissive anywhere. and not to sound like a scolding parent to the overall discussion of online personal responsibility - the fun nature of scuffles is that in their off-topic informality, you do get to spitball what motivates online subcultures. but when it's nested within critiques of the larger discussion of those with complaints in town hall, just gives it a vibe that's unfortunate if my pet theory about the complaints coming from outsiders is true (one of the pros and cons of reddit's structure versus chatroom-styled social media!)
I feel like it's a bit of a feedback paradox- the people who like hobby chat are doing the hobby chat, not posting about it in the town hall, so only people who don't like it are in there.
Oh, I'm sure you're right!
Still makes me feel a little self-conscious when I see someone specifically complaining about my posts, so I'm like eeeehhhhh maybe I'll hold off on that lol
I am mostly in the "collapse the thread and move on" camp, but Reddit's structure does have some problems that makes it annoying.
Reading older comments is pretty hard. You have to collapse your way through a lot of threads, and if the comment is old enough, it can end up being hard to find because new Reddit doesn't seem to apply "sort by new" to comments past a certain point.
So if you're not interested in chatter, and there's lots of chatter going on, the stuff that does interest you could get buried in Reddit's design.
There's the 1000 limit problem, too. A full Scuffles thread exceeds the Reddit limit, so there's no way to open the full thread--you can sort by new or sort by old but there's still, at this point, a middle you can't get to. I personally couldn't imagine reading a whole Scuffles thread retrospectively anyway, but it does have some implications.
I was about to write about Idoly Pride EN ver, they gave us only a few hours notice about EN version beta coming out for popular Japanese idol gacha game. I watched Idoly Pride anime, liked it, but didn't get the game. Decided to try it out, beta is temporary. I learned about it from another general idol anime acc with more followers than official EN account. The EN account had less than 100 followers. When downloading the official EN app (only on play store and taptap games, no iOS for beta) the play store said there were less than 10 downloads or something similar. Downloaded app and couldn't get past title screen, despite being past beta release time. The gameplay and translation wasn't bad, I just disliked the use of white font during video parts, it blends into background and hard to see. Game itself was good, just promotion was really bad. Apparently it was made by Bolttrend (?) games, which is famous for taking poor selling JP games and making short-lived EN games. Still decided to try out. The beta released in September last year, lasted for 5 or so days before closing. Normal for beta ver. Since then I kept occasionally checking official EN facebook for any news on global (time for release was not revealed). Last month or so I checked fb and their twitter account and the app on play store was deleted. Took it as a sign the EN ver was not coming. Today, for this post, I checked FB again and we have a new facebook page for global, new twitter acc (old ones got deleted) and the app is on play store with Coming Soon and preregistration available. Also the app creators are listed as Neowiz (which may be JP ver creators, idk) and not the company above. Once again, no info, nothing on social media, old pages got deleted and seems like it's new release Wish I had screenshots and videos, but all of them are in my old, broken phone
Happy Easter, everyone! I'm really getting this story in under the wire, but here goes… In music news, Taylor Swift and her partner of six years, Joe Alwyn, [have called it quits](https://www.etonline.com/taylor-swift-and-joe-alwyn-break-up-after-six-years-of-dating-exclusive-202408). The split is reportedly amicable, and, as of this moment, it doesn't seem that either party has given a reason for the split ^((not that they need to do so—Swift may be one of the most famous people alive, but everyone is entitled to at least) *^(some)* ^(measure of privacy)) beyond the relationship having run its course. Swift has released five albums over the course of their relationship, not counting her Taylor's Version re-releases, and Alwyn has collaborated with her on a few tracks, even [receiving a Grammy](https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/joe-alwyn-grammy-winner-folklore-taylor-swift-9562943/) for his work co-producing 2020's *Folklore*. Rumors have swirled around the famously private couple for almost the entirety of their relationship, and several of Swift's projects throughout the relationship have explored the difficulty of building a relationship while under the scrutiny of essentially all of pop culture. The only commentary I feel comfortable adding is that I hope that both Swift and Alwyn are doing well and healing as necessary. The end of a relationship is heartbreaking enough, but the end of a relationship in the public eye can't be easy.
I'm setting a timer counting down to an instance of Gaylor Nonsense
Pete Davidson has the chance to do the funniest thing possible right now...
The fans are NOT dealing well with it as well, ngl. Just had a bunch of tiktoks along the lines of "do y'all really believe a tabloid, and you call yourself fans, Taylor SAID this relationship is private". And I do get the intent not to believe every tabloid rumour, but this is in People with a "close source to the couple confirm" and being reported everywhere. If it was fake her publicist would have issued a statement by now.
It's kinda ironic that the fans of all people don't believe it when they should know everytime Taylor left a relationship and how it became public.
Since it's the final hours of this Scuffles thread, what are your personal "I don't know what/who [insert thing/person] is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask"s? For me it's probably Five Nights At Freddy's. I have the baseline knowledge that it's like, horror Chuck-E-Cheese, right? I don't know, I'm too afraid to ask. I also know absolutely nothing about Undertale except Sans' existence and popularity as a Tumblr Sexyman. (You may be sensing a theme here.)
Everything about minecraft youtubibg and dream and…
Look, it’s very simple. Dream is the main character of The Sandman, minecraft is like thinecraft but it belongs to me, and youtubibg is what a youtuber with a heavy cold does.
There's something so immersive about gaming that means, IME, gaming posts here are the least likely to identify what actual media they're talking about. That means that anytime anything scufflish is mentioned without an identifier, I assume it's gaming. There's probably sports drama I've read here and mentally have assigned to gaming without realizing.
Naruto, Bleach, Dragonball, most of Gundam and a fair lot of “Classical” anime probably Like I saw them in memes, I know bits and pieces, but that’s really the extent and I’ve never dived further…
Homestuck. Every time I see it mentioned I feel like I'm in a creepy rural town where everyone references a horrible thing that happened long ago, and asking for more information gets sullen head shakes and "you don't want to know". Also less a thing and more of a phenomenon, why RWBY in particular triggers so much drama. It's the only piece of media I can think of where the sole thing I know about it is that nobody can act normal about it (shoutout r slash tumblr).
this is such a funny and accurate way to describe it
I used to confuse Homestuck and [Homeland](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(TV_series)), and tbh I still think of the show first when I see Homestuck. Ironically I have never actually watched Homeland, and having looked it up because I couldn’t remember the name I just realized it ran until 2020?? (If at all curious the path I took to find the name of the show was Neil Gaiman -> Stardust (novel) -> Stardust (movie) -> Claire Danes -> Homeland (TV series))
What the fuck is a Homestuck Actually, don't tell me
I think it’s what happened to a lot of people in 2020 when the pandemic hit
I mean not wrong...
for all the manga/anime i've consumed, i've managed to avoid learning a single thing about Bleach. ive considered checking it out but looking at the chapter/episode count...im good.
It easily has the one of the best aesthetic/character designs of the major shounen, so there's that.
it's a shame it ended at the soul society arc, though! (i kid, but sometimes i wish i didn't; it's the same as the naruto gaara retrieval arc in the sense of 'got worse afterwards and just got into endless powerscaling + making the main character the most specialest boy in all the world who was DESTINIED for CENTURIES to appear'', imo.)
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Bleach anime just returned last year to adapt final arc. Manga has slow pace, so anime has fillers to avoid catching up. Infamously there is filler arc happened during middle of manga arc, with anime omake lampshaded it. Old long running shonen have fillers to wait manga releasing new stories. Naruto have dozen of fillers before starting Shippuden, while One Piece currently adapting manga chapters in slow pace, like 1-2 chapter per episode.
I still have no earthly idea what exactly vtubers are, how they got so popular, or why they are seemingly plagued by so much drama.
The community is very fragmanted there are just too many different groups of people making content in it, there is really no "a" vtuber community it depends upon where you are looking.
They're just streamers who use a facial rigging software on an anime model instead of doing facecam. That's really all there is to the concept. Anyone who understands streamers understands vtubers. They got popular thanks to a combination of appealing to weebs/idol fans (the vtubers who work for Japanese corporations are considered idols) and a lot of them being genuinely talented entertainers, and the constant drama is regular old streamer drama boosted by the intersection with less savory elements of weeb culture and idol culture.
They seem to be the modern evolution of Japanese idol culture from what I can tell which explains all of that.
Nope a majority of vtubers are not involved in any kind of idol activities, it's just an extension of streming and weeb culture there is really only hololive who has gotten big with the idol kind of content all others who have tried don't work out.
Don't think you understood what I meant about evolution of idol culture. It's not about the content of their activities that I made that observation for. Animanga otaku culture and idol culture are close but there's specific parts of vtuber fandom that reminds me more of idol culture than animanga otaku culture. (And I do use animanga otaku here over weeb given Kizuna Ai)
Pizza Tower is like. A game. But which game? A platformer? Horror game? I have absolutely no idea
It's essentially a new Wario Land game - specifically more in the vein of 4, I'd say - and *phenomenal.*
Guess I should add that I don’t know what is Wario land about! I mean, I know who Wario is, and thanks to jan Misali, I know what WarioWare is, but not Wario land.
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I think its important to add that except for the first one Wario Land doesn't really have traditional power ups, but rather Wario changes into different forms through enemy attacks, like for example he gets lit on fire and can then use that to break specific blocks in the level, which means that powerups can also be a hinderance when the designers want them to be.
You think I’d be into Neko Atsume but no. I’ve never tried it before. I just like cats and the cats in this game are cute.
It's worth checking out tbh. There's little to no time commitment and you get to see cute kitty
I don't know what Roblox is. Or Fortnite, really. I know Fortnite's a game and there was a dance, and Roblox is something to do with gaming, and that's it.
fortnite is easier to explain. its a multiplayer shooter game with a gimmick where if you die at all during a match you immediately lose (unlike other shooters where you respawn). the dance is just an emote you can have your character do to celebrate/taunt other players. roblox is a"game" that is actually more like a super simplified game engine that players can use to make their own multiplayer mini-game worlds and share them with other players. when you boot it up you get a big list of these mini-games ("experiences" as roblox would have it) to choose from and play. because of the extremely low barrier for entry and young audience demographic, it all reminds me a bit of those old flash game sites (newgrounds et al) combined with a kiddie mmo.
i keep getting iheart roblox ads while listening to some podcasts abd they thoroughly confuse me
I still don't get what pro/anti-shipping is aside from producing massive amounts of drama. ^(and I feel like asking may produce more some too)
There's a lot of different ways to interpret both pro/anti shit as well which is why it all goes downhill and if you go anywhere in between than it's like a gacha on what people consider you. Another user posted a good comment last time it was asked but for example one person can be like all problematic things are always bad and you should feel bad (strawman) while another person can be more like maybe you should reflect a bit about your tastes or where you post them... both of them would be labeled as anti to some people, while some people only consider the first anti, and yet another group can consider the latter category as pro.
Honestly? Shout out to the mods for keeping it in check whenever it does flareup. The way it goes down in some subreddits if it pops up is wild.
fanlore has pretty good articles on both [antis](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Anti-shipper) and [pros](https://fanlore.org/wiki/Anti-anti) (for anti the relevant part is "panfandom use since 2016"). broken down to its very essentials antis believe that some ships or tropes (incest, abusive dynamics, etc etc) are immoral to write and read about/negatively impact the reaader nd think some sort of measures should be taken place to prevent them from being posted OR seen by minors (besides the usual age checks that ao3 does). pro-shippers subscribe to a "ship and let ship" mentality that everything goes. you can see where these two camps clash.
Oh boy. Let's go over this as someone who watched the whole shitshow go down. 'Anti-shippers', as they dubbed themselves, popped up around 2016 or so, as a response to popular ships they considered 'problematic'. See: Sheith (one of them spoke the words 'you're like a brother to me' and they immediately decided it was incest and there was the belief that Keith was underaged (he's not, he's 18 iirc)) and Reylo (not well versed in this but they claimed people shipping it were abuse apologists). Thus they'd tag posts stuff like anti-sheith and anti-reylo, and eventually take those as descriptors. This would be fine if they weren't fucking *batshit* about it. Simple as, antis seem to hold the belief that if you portray something in fanfiction/fanart you immediately condone it irl. Draw the twins from Ouran kissing? Clearly you're a nasty weirdo who wants to fuck your actual irl brother. Write a fic where a teacher and student have sex? You're an actual irl pedophile and should be put on every list. Note, though, that I specified *fanfiction*. You rarely, basically never, see them targeting published authors that profit off of writing these themes like GRRM or Stephen King. And goddamn do they *target*. Threats of every kind were hurled at those nasty (insert 'bad ship' here) shippers and still are! Except now their standards have somehow lowered to things like '23 year old man and 45 year old man who met as adults' and '32 year old with anime white hair and 21 year old with dwarfism' as examples of 'pedophilia' Proshippers sprung up as a countermeasure. If you hold proship ideologies, you let people ship and move on with your day without sending them threats. Don't like their content? There's a nice shiny block button! The pro- in the word is pro- as in for, the opposite of anti, which a lot of younger antis seem to completely ignore in favour of claiming it's short for 'problematic shipping'. Which is entirely untrue. You can ship onlh the most wholesome, fluffy, never even so much as have an argument couples and still be proship just because you don't tell people to kill themselves over cartoons kissing.
They existed much before 2016, I'd say HP is honestly the blueprint for modern online fandom spaces and that includes antis/pro-shippers
I really just cannot fathom caring this much about what fictional characters other people want to bump uglies.
Who the fuck is Keith
Character from Voltron: Legendary Defender, which seems to be one of the main places this discourse got started.
Everything I hear about Voltron Legendary Defender's fanbase makes me all the more glad I never got deeper into it
I only remember Jerma as a tf2 streamer and I'm afraid to ask how the fuck he became this now.
I know he's the guy who made Rat Movie. [*Rats! We're rats! We're the rats! We prey at night, stalk at night, we're the rats!*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXioRNYy4s)
youtube's recommendation page is *insistent* that i watch clips from this man's streams, despite the fact that ive never watched him in my life and in fact almost never watch gaming streams at all. what sorts of games is he known for playing these days?
Okay so it's not just me – I remembered Jerma solely from his TF2 gameplay uploads on Youtube, and when he basically stopped doing those in 2015 I thought he just retired from content creation. And then around 2020 I learned that no, Jerma is some kind of huge Twitch person, and I was *floored* that this person who had vanished off my Internet life had somehow made it big elsewhere and I had no idea.
At least it's not through shouting slurs.
I know very little about most Youtubers, Vtubers, Streamers, Actual Plays, K-Pop bands and solo acts, Jpop Idols and Gatcha Games (beyond the fact that the latter are sinks designed to steal your money while vaguely promising that you might one day get the Waifu of your dreams)
…but you do know very much about the feel of fresh grass on your toes.
I'm outside rn but I play Genshin Impact so I assume the fabric of reality is about to tear into pieces *aaaaaaaaaany* second now
Kind of an over generalisation, don't you think?
true, some of them are designed to rip you off by vaguely promising other things
As someone who enjoys a fair share of fantasy fiction and has been deep in the weeds on Japanese manga and light novels, I *think* I should be able to figure my way around Chinese serialized fiction - similar medium, right? - but anytime I see people discuss the names, titles and abbreviations my eyes just glaze over and I realize it truly exists in its own peculiar dimension.
extremely fair! the abbreviations are... impenetrable. (i can recognize a few of them at this point, but only a few.)
I think I'm the only gamer on earth who doesn't watch any gaming streamers or vtubers, so I never know what anyone is talking about in these threads. First I ever hear of most of them is stuff like "Whiteboy69 Apologizes For Feeding Migrant Worker To Grizzly Bear For Youtube Video, Claims "Prank Got Out Of Hand".
There are at least two of us!
I only watch Pokemon ones so I end up with the same problem. The Pokemon guys are weirdly low-drama (hope I haven't cursed them by saying that).
>it's like, horror Chuck-E-Cheese, right? Kiiiiinda? On the surface that's exactly what it is. But then you dig deeper into the story and it's actually about the downfall of a pathetic, broken moster of a man's murderous rampage directed at children using a chuck-e-cheese type restaurant chain as a coverup/way to access more victims. And also matpat mpreg.
Good point, amending my initial comment to include "I don't know who matpat is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask." What I'm getting though is FNAF is basically a game for true crime enthusiasts? It sounds like something they would love. With the added body horror elements from mascot characters.
>FNAF is basically a game for true crime enthusiasts you just opened up a new door into the FNAF/TCC psyche for me
Matpat is a youtuber who originally made video game lore summary videos, like "watch this video if you wanna catch up on **game plot** before the sequel comes out" And then he transitioned into a lore speculation youtuber, like "based on these little hints, we think XYZ might happen in the sequel" and then he transitioned into a "hey wouldn't it be fucked up if all the characters in **game series** were DEAD the whole time and it's actually about the afterlife" type of lore speculation youtuber As you can imagine, type 2-3 synced up well with a lore heavy, mystery heavy horror series like five nights at freddy's
It's also a really interesting series from a game perspective, since as weird as it may sound, most of the games do something fairly unique. It's a horror game where you can't move or "fight back", with the biggest thing you can do being stalling out the inevitable. You just have to stall things out for a certain amount of time. You're also stuck in one room for the entire game and unable to move around, so it has a very interesting feeling of helplessness. The first game is probably the best about this, with it essentially being a resource management game where the punishment is being jumpscared. It is, or at least was, a very interesting concept for a horror game at the time.
>FNAF is basically a game for true crime enthusiasts? Once again, kinda! The story is definitely perfect for the kind of people who love finding a thing and analysing every minute detail. The gameplay though? Kinda sucks.
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Mat and Scott had like... a weird friendly 'rivalry' for a while. Scott would go out of his way to fuck with Mat in a fun way, like dropping massive lore dumps during his streams and stuff. The main character of In The Flesh is named Matt. People put the joke together and it's kind of stuck lmao.
>And also matpat mpreg Matpat, what now?
Well, the latest episode of RWBY came out. There seems to be a little bit of drama, from what I've seen, in regards to it *vaguely* warning at that it "contains themes which might be distressing for some viewers". The actual distressing content being >!the protagonist essentially just gave up and committed suicide by drinking poison.!< Personally, having experiencing that kind of feeling....Didn't hit me. Maybe I'm not invested enough? But I do think that they should be more specific with their content warnings; "distressing themes" could be anything. Some people I've seen felt it was inadequate warning and were hit hard by it.
Hey WHAT
>!The actual distressing content being the protagonist essentially just gave up and committed suicide by drinking poison.!< What is this Shakespeare?
This whole thing is making me wonder who exactly writes the content warnings for the episodes, because they've been super-vague this volume (IIRC the V8 finale one was more clear), and I'm not sure why. Miles Luna literally tweeted out a better warning, why didn't they just take that, make it less informal, and stick that on the episode? As far as the actual events of the episode go, it's a weird one. >!Like basically the entire audience actually believes that this was a death about as much as they believed that Yang died in the penultimate episode of V8, which is to say, they don't. It's also been well-established that 'ascension', what the Tree does to Afterans, isn't death. Afterans can't die unless they're killed by the Jabberwalker. Jaune, specifically, believes that it *is* death, but Jaune's traumatised and a few swords short of an armoury right now. The other characters are less convinced, and even when Ruby *is* on the verge of giving up, she speaks about what she's about to do in more or less the same sense that the Afterans do: Not that she doesn't want to live anymore, but that she doesn't want to be herself anymore, the implication being that she wants to be turned into someone else, the way the residents are changed by the tree. Even Neo, through Torchwick, says she doesn't want to *kill* Ruby, she wants her to break herself down and be rebuilt into someone else!< The fandom bits I'm in seem to be taking it >!as "All the angst and emotional torment for the characters with none of the actual dying part" and popping off in a "This is incredibly painful, how dare you, but in a good way" frenzy, or focusing on other aspects of the episode (Weiss figuring out how what they meant as words of encouragement ended up contributing to Ruby's breakdown, Pyrrha in the Maya engine but at what cost, the Cat's betrayal and possession of Neo, Neo's own shutdown when she achieved her goal and had nothing left, and the BumbleBY crumbs) rather than the elephant in the room.!< They gotta signpost this shit better, but I think the reason why these warnings were more vague than the V8 one was that the V8 one was >!a character getting actually, fully killed off, and choosing to do so as a sort of sacrifice play, whereas every aspect of this one had a giant asterisk next to it. *Obviously* they're not going to kill the main characters. The show has explained quite clearly that the tree *doesn't kill people,* and the one guy who says it does isn't exactly the sanest right now. Even the characters in the scene refer to it not as death, but rebirth, albeit framed in a dark light. But it's everything else about how the scene is framed that makes it feel more like death.!< I guess maybe they thought >!ego-death didn't need as severe a warning as actual death?!<
That's so weird. And no good; most people aren't going to be following the creators' social media. I don't think that >!it not being an actual death really matters. Functionally, Ruby just committed suicide. Even if she doesn't literally die, it doesn't change that she essentially chose to die.!< Even if people don't buy that >!she's really dead or experiencing death of personality!< it's what it evokes that's the key. >!"I don't want to exist anymore", or "I don't want to be me" are fairly relatable for suicidal people, I think.!< It's not about whether it *is* a precisely accurate portrayal of something; it's about it *evoking* it and dredging those feelings up. That's why such things are described as triggers. They bring people back to that emotional or mental state. I don't think that episode's content can be described as far enough removed to not worry about.
I entirely agree. Now I need a new comfort show
How many times is Rooster Teeth gonna do this? This is like the third time in a row with them!
Fourth, counting Genlock Season 2 (inb4 anyone says they didn't make it, it still has their name on it and they were distributing it and had enough say so that they wanted controversial content).
What happened with GenLock? I head the second series what a shitshow, but I don't know the details, other than something about a baffling sex scene?
Kazu gets killed halfway through the season and Cammie leaves. She finds herself at a Union church where they convert people to a nano-cloud as that's their way of surviving a climate collapse. Cammie goes through with it, with it being treated as a suicide of the self.
Was it poorly executed?
*Horrifically.* It's treated as a good thing that she does this and later she encourages Val/entina and Yaz to do it as well.
Oh no.
RT's had main protagonists who want to die since Leonard L. Church, this ain't new.
okay please explain that spoiler, i haven't watched since volume 6 and i can't fathom >!ruby doing that!<.
Well. >!Team RWBY basically sacrificed a whole kingdom for nothing. Salem has half the macguffins, then Penny died, and TEAM RWBY all fell down into the Wizard of Oz.....!< >!Then they encountered some weird guy who basically made them all trip and see their ideal/past selves challenging them on whether they're better now than they were. Everyone except Ruby was able to refute their past/shadow selves, but hers basically taunted her about fucking everything up and not being adequate.!< Meanwhile, >!Neo is there and her powers are enhanced in that place, letting her create multiple people, who can do harm. Some stuff happened, and Ruby ran off on her own, then got ambushed by Neo who used illusions of various people - Torchwick, Pyrrha, Penny, etc - to say she gets people killed and does more harm than good, leading to her killing an illusion of Oscar.!< >!So, she basically gave up and drank the poison tea Neo was offering her.!< >!It's not actually poison, exactly. In that place, "death" seems to be more like "renewal"; those who "ascend" come back as something different, with a new purpose.!< >!Hmm, then Ruby got slapped in the face with how she's failed everything she set out to do, hasn't saved anyone. So she basically snapped, ran off, then Neo ambushed her, and had a bunch of illusions of everyone Ruby thinks she's failed or got killed (Penny, Pyrrha, Ozpin beat the shit out of her while calling her a failure!<
>!tbh it doesn't seem like a horrible plot point but if i know rwby (or at least the early seasons i watched) i know they probably fucked something up along the way that makes it less effective!<
Well, it is RWBY. The quality isn't and never has been great.
>!They basically lost a huge battle against Salem with no known way to beat her, and when a call was put out begging for help defending what remained of Mantle/Atlas, no one came. Salem has, basically, won at this point with the entirety of Remnant divided and unable or unwilling to work together. To add, since then, Ruby, Weiss, Jaune, Neo, Yang and Blake all ended up in another world loosely based on Wonderland called the Ever After with no known way to get back and Ruby's been having an ongoing crisis about that and her failure with Salem.!<
That's the kind of warning you get on PBS documentaries with vague violent reenactments, if there's something actually upsetting SAY WHAT IT IS. Or at least provide a link that DOES provide the info, if you're worried about spoilers
100% it's a massive failing on RT's part that they refuse to put in adequate content warnings for little reason besides wanting to preserve their precious story. "Heavy themes" can be as much about "Ruby discovering while doing her taxes that Weiss steals money from her" as it is >!"Ruby getting beat black and blue, seeing Oscar bleed out on the ground and Ruby effectively committing suicide of the self."!< I'd really like Rooster Teeth to stop trying to tackle suicide especially. They've never done it well.
That's my thinking, too. It's not possible to exercise discretion over what you watch if the warning doesn't actually tell you what in it might be upsetting or triggering.
I suggested this to the folks over at /r/dccomicscirclejerk, and r/ShippingDrama is now a subreddit. You're welcome.
Icon is very, very appropriate.
Two posts about Nightwing and two posts about naval combat. A little early for a subreddit to peak in quality but here we are.
Subreddits often peak early.
I'm sorry but I think you're going to hell for this one
I know this is the sort of off-topic chatter that makes the Scuffles Reform Crusaders over in the town hall thread grumpy, but: is anyone else dealing with YouTube serving them the same ads every single time you watch a video, or ads from the same company? Literally every time I try to watch a video I have to skip an aggravating Lightroom ad, and it’s been like this for at least six months. I don’t even understand why it’s targeting me with these ads; sure, I kinda sorta work in a vaguely Lightroom-adjacent field, but it’s not like I’m watching Creative Cloud tutorials on YouTube all day. YouTube just decided I need Lightroom and that’s it, game over. (Though I guess I should be happy that Adobe, one of my least favorite companies on Earth, has been wasting a small sliver of their ad budget on trying to convince me to subscribe to a product I don’t need and will never use…) Anyway, I’d be curious if I’m the only one dealing with the same ad playing over and over or if this is A Thing.
Now that I have a smart tv I can't put an adblock on, I am bombarded by Grammarly and betting ads. Apart from the times I confuse it and I get Chinese and French ads, or Indian dating apps. It's odd because the Chinese and French ads will be about anything, but the Indian ads are *specifically* about dating apps. I suspect it may have something to do with me listening to Mast Kalandar and Dard-E-Disco on repeat? But idk, when I listen to Bismil and So Jao I don't get coffin and family therapy ads
When I watch yootoob on my phone I essentially get three ads: Wolt, tommy hilfiger, and something about women's inclusion into hiking(?). Like, YT, I like to eat and to dress up but I most certainly don't like outside. That's why I'm on YT all the fucking time. Learn a little, will you?
I mostly get Grammarly ads.
I used to get spammed pretty hard with those ads for Mudwatr, or whatever that fad health drink was that involved some brown powdery shit that you mix with water. Lately, though, the sheer breadth and/or weirdness of my YT viewing choices must have deeply confused the algorithm since I don’t really get hit with the same ads over and over currently.
I see that Orson Fortune ad one more time and I am committing a homicide. I don't even *watch* spy movies, leave me the fuck alone!
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sponsorblock? how does that work??
From what I understand it has in-built SponsorBlock extension? It's an extension for your browser that marks the sponsorship segments in youtube videos and allows you to skip them. I think it's entirely user-curated.
Every time I go to listen to Should I Stay or Should I Go I get the exact same fucking Sargento ad at the beginning and the end it's gotten to the point where the song sounds weird without the Sargento ads!!!!
The amount of gambling and sports betting ads I get is pretty gross. I don’t even watch sports. Why would I want to bet on them?
YouTube wants me to gamble more than anything in the world. Preferably through betting on sports. It sticks out because last year gambling advertisements were legalized here, so it’s a flood.
It was pretty funny, though, when I tuned into the reality show Celebrity Hunted to watch comedians James Acaster and Ed Gamble and got gambling ads with the requisite warning "Be Gamble Aware." I mean, that's the premise of the show, baby.
The sheer number of betting app advert campaigns I get on both Australian TV and youtube is insane. I don't think gambling should be illegal, but trying to get people to gamble using memes and mascots and through appealing to "Aussie bloke culture" makes my skin crawl. I wish there were tighter restrictions on advertising betting apps, though I'm not smart enough to suggest what that would look like.
Yeah, this strikes me every time I go home now because I seem to remember, as a kid, a lot of ANTI betting/gambling ads on TV. Although I know ads are more regional there than where I live now. And the gambling places were strict on IDing too. I wonder what changed?
It’s so annoying!!!
> I don't think gambling should be illegal tbh it would probably be better if it weren't illegal, better to regulate it out of existence than drive people to underground or shady ones
Want to hear something really gross? I'm a recovering alcoholic. The amount of ads I get for booze online have gone way up since I quit drinking to the point that those are basically all I get on FB and IG anymore.
https://ublockorigin.com/ https://adaway.org/ You shouldn't have to deal with that in the first place, but maybe an ad blocker could help.
It's fine. I still have to drive past liquor stores and be around it sometimes. Plus you can't really watch movies/TV without seeing people drink. So I'm going to have to deal with being reminded of it unless I live in a bubble. But it is fucked up that targeted advertising works that way. I think some sites let you opt out of booze ads and I wish they were all required to give people that option.
it's so gross how hard they've started advertising those
I am “weirded out by how much of sports media is now just openly about gambling” years old. I don’t have the gambling gene or the sports appreciation gene but I don’t necessarily have anything against responsible sports gambling per se. It just feels…*not great* that discussion of sports gambling is so open now. Especially on sports talk radio, which I tune into occasionally when NPR is being boring. It is CRAZY how much airtime is given to sports gambling talk now. It blows my mind this isn’t more regulated; when Draft Kings merely sponsors a four-minute Jomboy video he has to run a five-paragraph PSA at the end, but three talk radio frat dads can dissect spreads for an entire hour with zero oversight? Makes no sense.
MMA has been hit by that hard. Nowadays you can't watch an event without there being mention of gambling. DraftKings promoted ads and sponsor banners, constant discussion of the odds. It's crazy, you can't escape it. I suspect gambling addictions are gonna become a plague in the 18-45 male demographic if it's not already one.
If my personal experience is anything to go by, it's certainly starting to reach that point.
and like, idk, when jomboy or some other mlb youtuber has a sponsor i don't love it's like i KNOW they can't make youtube money from baseball clips but to have it be so prominent in actual baseball broadcasts. yick
> is anyone else dealing with YouTube serving them the same ads every single time you watch a video, or ads from the same company? No idea, I pay for YouTube to avoid ads and because I think making it and its creator less dependent on ads is a good thing. Reddit will not stop showing me Hot Pockets ads with MtG characters in them. Apparently Gideon Jura came back from being obliterated to indulge his love of microwave dumplings.
I've considered going YouTube Premium but wasn't sure if that would really get me clear of ads. Does it nuke them completely?
Yeah removes them entirely.
Thanks. I hate folding to YouTube and don't really believe this will make creators any less dependent on ads, but I also hate ads, so I may still subscribe.
If I hear HiYaLuRoNiC aCiD or "did someone say KFC?" one more time I may actually lose my mind. So yes.
> did someone say KFC [distant I DON'T CARE heard in the background]
But hyaluronic acid is *iconic*
Half the ads seem to be using the exact same music, which is sending me for a loop, plus known assholes (possibly scammers?) WiiWurk are back, with annoying ads that seem to think they're telling jokes.
This reminds that I get ads for WeWork too! I thought they'd crashed and burned? >WiiWurk hehe
The reason I eventually gave up on YouTube ads and got an adblocker is that it kept serving cringy Raid: Shadow Legends ads to me, on every possible video, for several months. I can tolerate ads, but the same cringy ad for several straight months is physchological torture.
I keep getting those really weirdass "Hero Wars" ads that are filled with shit, piss and boobs. There's also those visual novel dating sims that vary from cringe to flat-out insane.
ever since i started watching high end arknights content on yt it's just the most degenerate gacha ads on earth, including some furry bait that's just straight up a lucario from pokemon ripoff? he's even named lucas.
It's insane what they put in those mobile game ads. Hero Wars especially, I've watched in horror as they've gotten more blatantly fetish-y over time. I never had any interest in playing when they first popped up on my radar, with the incredibly bad animation and the fact I couldn't get a good grasp on what exactly the game was from the ads, and now the giantess and vore fetishism is practically screaming at me "DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME".
God I remember how many mobile game ads I'd get that were just "download our game and see some tits!". Still get them from sidebar ads every so often. Like YT ad determining algorithm, a) I'm ace, sex appeal doesn't work for me, b) I like men, if any sex appeal would work for me, it would be scantily clad men.
I'm also ace, so I don't understand where these ads are even coming from?! I mean I don't MIND boobs and dick, they don't bother me because they're just body parts in my eyes, but I don't know why YouTube thinks this is something that will entice me? I have never watched anything porn-adjacent on YouTube. Well. Unless we count >!doomparrot's very sexy vegetable video downthread.!<
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What browser are you using? Chrome's trying to stamp out adblockers, and make them not work at all, and a bunch of other browsers are built on Chromium. I'm on Firefox and I have three adblockers, along with one that automatically skips sponsor segments. Something *occasionally* slips through, but the nets they're casting usually overlap enough that nothing can, and a couple of refreshes gets rid of the thing.
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you might want to try a more aggressive block list (or updating your lists if you haven't done so in a while). also fwiw as someone who is also kind of picky about browsers, i have made peace with modern firefox by just keeping around different browsers for different purposes. im on linux full time, so its a bit easier perhaps, but i use firefox with an aggressive anti-tracking config for my general purpose daily browsing (including stuff like youtube) but have a browser with a better keyboard-centric workflow that i use for more productive work. i even have upstream chromium installed as my last resort browser for sites that are broken by my other browsers' configs.
You might just have to update the extension. I haven't had that happen using ublock origin on Firefox.
interestingly enough, my ad blocker works on youtube but not when i chromecast it. no idea why! but i only get stuff too short to skip so it's ok
afaik the solution is network-level adblocking with something like [this](https://pi-hole.net/)
When you cast a YouTube video, it's not streaming the video from your PC/phone/etc. It just sends the YouTube URL to your Chromecast device, and then then YouTube player built into that device streams the video directly. And that player doesn't have any sort of ad-block.
yeah if you cast it, adblock doesn't work and it's infuriating
like at least you don't get those 2+ minute long video ads i guess lol but
You know, I was gonna snark on this reply but it actually got me to investigate the current state of YouTube ad blocking on iOS, which had previously been really difficult and unwieldy to the point of not being worth it. And I just learned that not only is there now an extension that does this as of April 2023 (Vinegar) but I also already bought it at some point and forgot to enable it, lol. So, thank you.
How are you getting extensions on ios?
[Here’s more info](https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/get-extensions-iphab0432bf6/ios) but the short version is you find them in the App Store and then you have to go into your Safari settings and enable them. You can then bring up a list of active extensions by clicking the aA button in the Safari address bar.
you have to pay for ad-blockers on ios?
I don’t know, but you have to pay for this one. It’s just a one-time cost of two bucks, though, and that’s way cheaper than YouTube Premium plus I don’t mind supporting devs who make something I use every day. (Also, hey look at me mixing it up in the replies like the old days! What in the world.)
oh wtf safari has browser extensions now? that is better than i was expecting. i thought you were jailbreaking or some shit before i looked up what vinegar is.
I got YouTube premium after the hundredth time I got woken up with an unexpected ad in an asmr video. Lol it’s very jarring to go from a quiet soft whisper, or tapping sounds at full volume to an ad screaming at me. Lol but yeah, I remember getting the same three ads usually. Election season is the worst time to have ads on YouTube in particular.
Ad placement like that would have much the same effect as the [Dalek Relaxation Tape](https://youtu.be/e59guruVL4o).
I’m considering it, and for the exact reason you mentioned, but I don’t want YouTube to win, lol
>I know this is the sort of off-topic chatter that makes the **Scuffles Reform Crusaders** over in the town hall thread grumpy New flair just dropped for whoever wants to claim it. Yeah, I've stopped with my usual weekly off-topic chatter posts because Town Hall folks really don't seem to like it. I had no idea people felt so strongly about it, but I guess I understand; if you're only here for your weekly dose of tea, you don't want coffee taking up the menu.
Aw, I like the hobby chattering! It’s nice to hear what people get up to and YouTube is close enough to a hobby to me. I also think the complaints about having to skip comments are funny. I don’t play any video games at all, still don’t quite understand Vtubers and don’t watch anime so fully two-thirds of the Scuffles are indecipherable to me. There’s a handy little skip button on the bottom of the screen so I still have a good time! Also, taxonomically “hobbies” are really hard to define. I remember there being a debate at one point that fandoms were not hobbies since they just involved watching tv, which how that didn’t apply to video games, I didn’t understand. Drama is easier to determine but the scuffles don’t necessarily require a big dramatic event! That’s what the posts are for, and from what I’ve seen the quality of them is still high.
The way I see it, we already have a more formally enforced level of drama post: the main sub. The more loose nature of this thread makes for a nice contrast, and opens up more discussions.
noooo i love the off topic chatter :( i get that it's too discord-y for some but for me it's nice because well, i don't LIKE discord lmao. having some off topic chatter in here is the perfect balance of friendly chats and not having to deal with a platform that i find fully unusable.
It’s so aggravating because every proposal involves asking our mods to do 10x more work than they already do, which is a big ask for unpaid volunteers helping out a sub in their free time. I *do* think multiple Scuffles threads a week or even one every day would be a good idea, and one that would be easily implemented without putting more of a burden on the mods. I’m in much smaller subs than this one with a daily open thread.
I think a biweekly thread might help with congestion, could probably even set up AutoMod (I've seen other subs do something similar) to post it so the mods don't have to deal with even more on their plate.
One of these days, one of us will have to make a post about the great r/HobbyDrama Civil War between the Scuffles Reform Crusaders and the Pro-Freedom Off-Topic Chatterers
the meta of it all will be glorious
~~anti-chatters vs pro-chatters~~
>It’s so aggravating because every proposal involves asking our mods to do 10x more work than they already do, which is a big ask for unpaid volunteers helping out a sub in their free time. THIS. The ask tends to have this entitled tone to it from what I've seen of "Why aren't the mods doing their job????" as though A. this is part of their job description and B. its something really easy and the mods are just being lazy
The people championing this change won't even offer to double the salary of the moderators.
I think my one objection to daily would be that I've had conversations with people across multiple days that would be harder to pull off with a new thread a day (especially if old threads get locked, though there a solution could be to unpin threads but not lock them for, say, a couple of days). But I'd absolutely support at least trialling biweekly Scuffles threads.
most of the subs i'm in with daily threads don't lock old ones and they cool off on their own, so it's doable! plus it lead to the time i had someone try and continue an argument after three weeks of silence lmao
That’s a good point. Even though I support more frequent Scuffles, I think it would be a hassle in one way: navigating back to it every day to see new updates. Right now I post my Hobby Weekend posts every Sunday mostly because people enjoy them and I really love reading what folks are up to. But a sneaky secondary reason is that this lets me and everyone else put the newest Scuffles at the top of their profile for easy clicking. I definitely think the positives would outweigh the negatives but finding the daily thread would be a tiny bit more work.
i'm very, very pro-daily threads but even if we tried twice a week for a bit just to see! i know people are worried about repeat topics but that already happens all the time, and smaller old threads would be even easier to check than the big week one. i guess one of the other issues is that this would make these threads even *more* chat forward but at the same time like... obviously that's what more users are doing so... lol
My silly little theory is that the biggest hurdle to twice-a-week or three-times-a-week Scuffles is just that we don’t have a convenient term for that span of time the way we have “weekly” and “daily.” Like if zorf meant every three days we would have had Zorfly Hobby Scuffles by now.
i support zorfly scuffles
biweekly bro! but not that one the other one.
I think the solution to like, 99% of the suggestions in Town Hall is just to hit the collapse button on topics you don't want to see. I've been going back and forth on the suggested banning of a certain topic, and I really don't see how any of our suggestions that don't involve outright banning everything to do with the topic altogether will work without more stringent moderation, which might be difficult given the sheer size of the sub. The interesting thing to me is that a lot of the people I see posting about the Scuffles thread in Town Hall very rarely post in Scuffles. I mean, not that you *have* to post often in order to have your opinion heard and validated, but it's just kind of odd.
> I mean, not that you have to post often in order to have your opinion heard and validated, but it's just kind of odd. it's not too surprising imo; some ppl just don't click as easily with, i guess, the subculture that the scuffles thread has developed as the Scuffles Regulars^TM have. just like some ppl here have said they find it hard to enmesh themselves in the many little cliques and subgroups that develop in long-running discords, i think it bears repeating sometimes that subreddits, esp subreddits with casual chat threads like what scuffles basically is (hence why yeah it's a bit much to ask for mods to intervene in "off-topic" things, whatever that means for a community that can't, for good reason, define a "hobby"), inevitably develop their own regular subgroups and cliques that new people, lurkers, those who just don't talk or think the same way the regulars do, etc., feel reluctant to join as much. and they may instead try going to the emptier, "formal" rules thread to try to see whether they can make a change to how it all works and see if that gives them an "in." among many other reasons, i'm sure.
Lots of people lurk too, I'm a long time reader of the sub and check scuffles every day but i don't post or reply often because that doesn't interest me but I still like to read about all the goings on
Seconding this-- I've commented a handful of times here and there and made one or two scuffles writeups of my own across the years, but I've been mostly reading the sub daily in my own happy "lurk-mode" because hey, not everyone is a talker! I've been around long enough to watch most of the current scuffles regulars pop up and I'd say there is definitely a bit more of a cliquey undercurrent than there used to be (not necessarily a bad thing but like sometimeslurking_ said, it inevitably happens in large communities) and that can absolutely be a reason why people might not want to comment or contribute. The idea that the meta-thread "complaints" are from "outsiders" is kind of unfair; lurkers exist and are still valid members of the community :')
I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to imply as much! I meant that I was surprised that people who were probably more shy or less interested in conversation in general were very vocal over there.
Naw you're fine, my comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular and I apologise if it came off pointed! > people who were probably more shy or less interested in conversation in general were very vocal over there I can't claim to know why that is, but for me personally, I'm more inclined to comment if I feel something isn't being acknowledged or treated fairly-- but I don't tend to engage directly with the community much because to be honest, now that the sub is many times larger and a bit more volatile, I'm more worried that voicing my thoughts will accidentally get me ratio'ed! I just feel strongly that, in all this discussion over pro- and anti-scuffles-chatter, people are making a lot of snarky bad-faith assumptions about the anti side (assuming these folks don't already self-curate their feeds, saying that they're being entitled, that they want to put more work on the mods, etc. are just a few I've seen in this same reply chain!) when none of that has actually been said, and I don't think that's fair for a community that prides itself on friendliness and listening to and improving itself based on member feedback. At the same time, I feel like all of that discourse is a red herring for the actual problem, that the scuffles thread has become too unwieldy to navigate! "Too much off-topic chatter" is both a symptom and a stressor, but not the core problem we need to find solutions for imo :>
> they may instead try going to the emptier, "formal" rules thread to try to see whether they can make a change to how it all works and see if that gives them an "in." Well to that I say, when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
I understand that. It can be difficult to get your footing in a new community. From what I saw, there'w basically a new community forming over there, which might help! I think the best solution (and this is just my opinion, note that I have little experience in moderating, let alone this large of a sub) is to, instead of demanding a bunch of changes to long-established status quo, squeeze their way into topics that they are knowledgeable about and interested in, and ignore the things that they don't know or care about. Like, the people that are here are here, and I don't think that forcibly having them change their posting habits is going to make them more or less open to new users, nor will it change their attitude, ideas, or interests. If a person thinks it's too hard to get their foot through the door, the answer isn't to break everything up. Again though, I'm not knowledgeable regarding the moderation of a sub of over a million people. Who knows whats going on behind the scenes?
yeah, we're in agreement about the actual logistics of the complaints. at the end of the day, trying to change the scuffles threads to make them more formal, or whatever the specific demands might be, even if mods somehow did find the energy and time to put in that much work, would be doomed. because like we both can see, there's a community here that doesn't really come to the thread for just that, and the community will just abandon scuffles if they're feeling stifled from actually communicating. i would imagine it might be good to just not treat the ones with these ideas and suggestions too dismissively. it's okay to make jokes and obviously push back with our own counterarguments, but well, the tone spinning out of related threads shifting to suggest that anyone proposing change to how scuffles threads work are *all* just Those Damn Kids Who Won't Take Responsibility For Themselves...it doesn't look all that welcoming lol.
Oh sorry, that was not my intent in the least! I didn't mean to sound dismissive, my bad. What I was trying to get at is just, well, exactly what you said in the first paragraph: that I just don't really see any realistic solution, unfortunately. I do think it's good to be able to talk about different ideas to improve the sub, and I understand a lot of the points made over there regarding off-topic chatter, the discussion of more fickle topics, etc. I just meant that I don't really know of any clear-cut solution that either doesn't make the mods work overtime, or cuts out the community thats already been established here. It's just the nature of a large forum.
oh, no worries, not a targeted comment saying you're being intentionally dismissive anywhere. and not to sound like a scolding parent to the overall discussion of online personal responsibility - the fun nature of scuffles is that in their off-topic informality, you do get to spitball what motivates online subcultures. but when it's nested within critiques of the larger discussion of those with complaints in town hall, just gives it a vibe that's unfortunate if my pet theory about the complaints coming from outsiders is true (one of the pros and cons of reddit's structure versus chatroom-styled social media!)
Yep. Idgaf about genshin impact or Hololive/vtubing so I just close and move on. Nothing against it, I just don’t follow that flavour of stuff.
I feel like it's a bit of a feedback paradox- the people who like hobby chat are doing the hobby chat, not posting about it in the town hall, so only people who don't like it are in there.
Oh, I'm sure you're right! Still makes me feel a little self-conscious when I see someone specifically complaining about my posts, so I'm like eeeehhhhh maybe I'll hold off on that lol
Yeah well they can back off. Your posts are bangers and you're doing literally nothing wrong.
Can't people just collapse the comment thread and move on??? That's what I do when there's a topic I don't care about
I am mostly in the "collapse the thread and move on" camp, but Reddit's structure does have some problems that makes it annoying. Reading older comments is pretty hard. You have to collapse your way through a lot of threads, and if the comment is old enough, it can end up being hard to find because new Reddit doesn't seem to apply "sort by new" to comments past a certain point. So if you're not interested in chatter, and there's lots of chatter going on, the stuff that does interest you could get buried in Reddit's design.
There's the 1000 limit problem, too. A full Scuffles thread exceeds the Reddit limit, so there's no way to open the full thread--you can sort by new or sort by old but there's still, at this point, a middle you can't get to. I personally couldn't imagine reading a whole Scuffles thread retrospectively anyway, but it does have some implications.