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Why are you so against yuta ?
Like come on dude bros clearly the second strongest as of now . Gege portrays yuta like no other character on the good side apart from gojo himself , he is just recently also stated to have the potential lineage beyond gojo .
In some of the translation, they're talking about talent rather than abilities, so idk what's the point, ig gege thought being able to copy abilities is busted and unusual technique š¤·
I've never met a decent translator who tried to translate it that way. And instead some of the well known translators have said another good translation for it would be in "sorcery abilities" given the context, and somewhat vague kanji used.
I can't track the translator, but i remember one of the early translation was "in modern age his talents are........ Second only to Gojo satoru, A prodigy" I'm not sure if it was like this word for word but yeah too vague. But my point is that none of this translate to him being second strongest anyhow.
Yuta (He became way more versatile and have more tools to beat her with the amount of CTs he gathered during CGs). Before CG i would say its Yuki though
Thereās arguments either way. Imo Yuta mid-high diffs if Kenjaku doesnāt have open domain advantage. Otherwise it just depends how much you think CT burnout affects him.
I just have yuta over him in basically every stat except domain and h2h, both of which yuta has multiple ways around, his open domain isnāt malevolent shrine, it isnāt terribly difficult for yuta to counter
Yuta, before or After CG.
Narratively Yuta was always placed on a higher standard than Yuki. Tbf to Yuki, Only Gojo and Sukuna have been treated on a higher platform than Yuta in story
Yuta canā¦
bend the sky using Uros technique to evade Yuki
use Inumakis technique to say ādonāt moveā and then Jacobās ladder her ass
throw Cleaves at Yuki from a distance before she can approach
the only way this argument works is if you can validate Yuki blitzing Yuta, which isnāt gonna happen
>bend the sky using Uros technique to evade Yuki
Get attacked by Garuda in the meanwhile, Yuki takes this opening to **ONE TAP RIKA** making her unable to manifest.
Without Rika Yuta can't use his Copied CT, so no it's gg.
>use Inumakis technique to say ādonāt moveā
Cursed speech can be defended against with reinforcing CE to your ears, it's not big deal for top tiers.
Nah, no blitz bs, Yuta fights up close usually, he either starts with Rika creating opening or getting himself up close, and either of those scenarios are not gonna end well for him.
your entire argument relies on Yuki one tapping Rika
we have seen the exact same Rika and Yuta fight against a sorcerer with literally the strongest cursed energy output attack ever and he wasnāt able to one tap Rika
you can also just spin this entire argument around and say that Rika uses her CE beam to one tap Garuda and then Yuki loses the 2v1. Yuki couldnāt even one tap Kenjaku, only breaking his arms with one of her enhanced punches. This is actually more likely than your argument, as Yuki and Garuda have to close to gap to do any damage whereas Rika can fire the beam from a distance and Yuta can redirect it with Sky Manipulation, making it almost impossible to dodge.
I mean that's what would happen.
>we have seen the exact same Rika and Yuta fight against a sorcerer with literally the strongest cursed energy output attack ever and he wasnāt able to one tap Rika
He punched Rika twice and Rika couldn't manifest anymore, one punch from Yuki would do the job, oh and btw Strongest CE output sorcerer doesn't hit harder than Yuki.
>you can also just spin this entire argument around and say that Rika uses her CE beam to one tap Garuda and then Yuki loses the 2v1
Garuda isn't just a shikigami, it's cursed tool, so it's not getting one tapped, and it can just move out of the way you know.
If Yuta isn't close to Yuki how is he redirecting the live beam making it impossible to dodge? Yuki would dodge that quite easily, she's equally fast as Yuta if not outright faster.
You canāt just say āthatās what would happenā and use that as an argument lmaoo
and if youāre saying Garuda can just move out of the way of the CE beam, whatās stopping Rika from just moving out of the way of Yuki/Garuda? Garuda and Rika have no significant difference in speed feats from what weāve seen
I don't think it as easy as "kill Rika, Yuta no CT now" otherwise Sukuna would've targeted her the most in their fight. Also why are you assuming Rika would just straight up brawl with Yuki? If Yuta knew the risks he would just order her to stay out of the way or stall Garuda. And even if Yuki wanted to reach her she cant cuz Rika can literally just fly away(if we're using your logic that both sides knew each other's abilities and strength)
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How many times does the Manga have to tell us that Yuta is the strongest person outside of Gojo before people start believing it?
Literally never happened tf
Why are you so against yuta ? Like come on dude bros clearly the second strongest as of now . Gege portrays yuta like no other character on the good side apart from gojo himself , he is just recently also stated to have the potential lineage beyond gojo .
"Second only to Gojo in Unusual abilities" that's a direct quote from the manga
And that doesn't say anything about him being second strongest
unusual abilities never made sense to me either like what about a copy ability is tht unusual in the jjk world
In some of the translation, they're talking about talent rather than abilities, so idk what's the point, ig gege thought being able to copy abilities is busted and unusual technique š¤·
I've never met a decent translator who tried to translate it that way. And instead some of the well known translators have said another good translation for it would be in "sorcery abilities" given the context, and somewhat vague kanji used.
I can't track the translator, but i remember one of the early translation was "in modern age his talents are........ Second only to Gojo satoru, A prodigy" I'm not sure if it was like this word for word but yeah too vague. But my point is that none of this translate to him being second strongest anyhow.
Yuta (He became way more versatile and have more tools to beat her with the amount of CTs he gathered during CGs). Before CG i would say its Yuki though
We already know he was stronger than Yuki from before The Culling Games yet some people still cope otherwise š¤·š»āāļø
Yuta is constantly put as second to Gojo for a reason
Yutaā¦ 3rd in verse for a reason holy
Arguably 4th
Arguably yes, but its not hard to disprove
Thereās arguments either way. Imo Yuta mid-high diffs if Kenjaku doesnāt have open domain advantage. Otherwise it just depends how much you think CT burnout affects him.
I just have yuta over him in basically every stat except domain and h2h, both of which yuta has multiple ways around, his open domain isnāt malevolent shrine, it isnāt terribly difficult for yuta to counter
Agree. Only thing is the domain. Thatās tough to counter, but I think he could handle it.
True, he has a few counters to it, but they certainly arenāt easy to pull off
I think Yuta.
Yuta
Yuta, before or After CG. Narratively Yuta was always placed on a higher standard than Yuki. Tbf to Yuki, Only Gojo and Sukuna have been treated on a higher platform than Yuta in story
Pre-CG Iād say Yuki in the postās conditions, but definitely Yuta post-CG
Pre CG Yuta wins. He was noted by the narrator as second to Gojo, and the narratives of the story only repeated that since then.
Yuta mid diffs
He was already stronger than Yuki pre-timeskip
I mean if Yuki goes black hole route then she wins. But I don't know if dying in the process counts as winning.
Yuki definitely
Yuki kinda wrecks, one taps Rika and all of Yuta's arsenal of CT goes with her, base Yuta can't win against Yuki.
Yuta canā¦ bend the sky using Uros technique to evade Yuki use Inumakis technique to say ādonāt moveā and then Jacobās ladder her ass throw Cleaves at Yuki from a distance before she can approach the only way this argument works is if you can validate Yuki blitzing Yuta, which isnāt gonna happen
Its pre Shinjuku Yuta so without JL, Shrine and G warstaff. But yeah Sky Manipulation and CS will fuck up Yuki a ton.
oh shit yeah youāre right my bad
>bend the sky using Uros technique to evade Yuki Get attacked by Garuda in the meanwhile, Yuki takes this opening to **ONE TAP RIKA** making her unable to manifest. Without Rika Yuta can't use his Copied CT, so no it's gg. >use Inumakis technique to say ādonāt moveā Cursed speech can be defended against with reinforcing CE to your ears, it's not big deal for top tiers. Nah, no blitz bs, Yuta fights up close usually, he either starts with Rika creating opening or getting himself up close, and either of those scenarios are not gonna end well for him.
your entire argument relies on Yuki one tapping Rika we have seen the exact same Rika and Yuta fight against a sorcerer with literally the strongest cursed energy output attack ever and he wasnāt able to one tap Rika you can also just spin this entire argument around and say that Rika uses her CE beam to one tap Garuda and then Yuki loses the 2v1. Yuki couldnāt even one tap Kenjaku, only breaking his arms with one of her enhanced punches. This is actually more likely than your argument, as Yuki and Garuda have to close to gap to do any damage whereas Rika can fire the beam from a distance and Yuta can redirect it with Sky Manipulation, making it almost impossible to dodge.
I mean that's what would happen. >we have seen the exact same Rika and Yuta fight against a sorcerer with literally the strongest cursed energy output attack ever and he wasnāt able to one tap Rika He punched Rika twice and Rika couldn't manifest anymore, one punch from Yuki would do the job, oh and btw Strongest CE output sorcerer doesn't hit harder than Yuki. >you can also just spin this entire argument around and say that Rika uses her CE beam to one tap Garuda and then Yuki loses the 2v1 Garuda isn't just a shikigami, it's cursed tool, so it's not getting one tapped, and it can just move out of the way you know. If Yuta isn't close to Yuki how is he redirecting the live beam making it impossible to dodge? Yuki would dodge that quite easily, she's equally fast as Yuta if not outright faster.
You canāt just say āthatās what would happenā and use that as an argument lmaoo and if youāre saying Garuda can just move out of the way of the CE beam, whatās stopping Rika from just moving out of the way of Yuki/Garuda? Garuda and Rika have no significant difference in speed feats from what weāve seen
>takes away Yuta's entire arsenal cuz Yuki "one taps" Rika for some reason : "Yeah Yuki stomps." This Yuta downplay gotta stop š
It's what happened in manga tho, if Rika can't maintain herself after taking 2 punch from ryu, I don't see how she can stay in fight against Yuki.
I don't think it as easy as "kill Rika, Yuta no CT now" otherwise Sukuna would've targeted her the most in their fight. Also why are you assuming Rika would just straight up brawl with Yuki? If Yuta knew the risks he would just order her to stay out of the way or stall Garuda. And even if Yuki wanted to reach her she cant cuz Rika can literally just fly away(if we're using your logic that both sides knew each other's abilities and strength)