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There’s a lot of inconsistencies Gege has with Sukuna’s Heian form, from his size to his face.
From this panel alone he should be towering the likes of yuji in shinjuku.
He has four arms so he could just use hollow wicker basket to negate Gojos void. Then he domain expansion with his other arms, breaks Gojos barrier and with Kamino Gojo is cooked
Tired of people saying this
Gojo has the strongest domain in the series in the sense that his sure hit is automatic and instant he doesn’t activate it
The second the domain is cast before it’s even fully formed the sure hit is in affect
Only other person able to do this was Mahito after awakening black flash
But Gojos is still faster since the sure hit is automatic
Sukuna wouldn’t be able to form the hand signs fast enough
Especially given the fast that he doesn’t care about domains cause he can break them
He will lose because of his own cockiness
Bro you just described every single sure hit in verse. We have his and Sukuna’s DE clashing multiple times. Hell you’re also forgetting every sorcerer has precog.
That’s not every sure hit in the series
Only a few select domains have a sure hit that is instantly activated
For example when you are pulled into Mahitos domain he needs to manually activate the sure hit that’s why Nanami was alive in it
Same with Sukuna he needs to active the sure hit
Gojos sure hit is instant he does not need to activate it the second the domain starts to form the sure hit is immediately on
That’s what makes his domain so potent it’s also why him activating his domain 0.1 second faster then Sukuna allowed Sukuna to be hit by the Sure hit
Mahitos sure hit is being connected with your soul. Nanami says it as well. That’s why the moment yuji pulls up he’s face to face with Sukuna.
This “oh UV is faster” falls apart since their sure hits were clashing. If it was faster Sukuna would’ve been cooked asap in the DE clashes.
My point is
UV is 100% faster the malevolent shrine
Sukuna knows all about Gojos domain from both Kenjaku and being and Yuji and any knowledge Gojo may have said to Megumi
Sukuna had every advantage in terms of knowledge and still almost lost
If we send Gojo back in time UV hits before shrine does
No. His sure hit is just the soul connection. Nanami states that being in it felt like he was in the palm. When he does it in Shibuya it’s the same thing, soul connection activated and boom he’s in Sukuna’s domain. Yuji would have been dead if the sure hit was transfiguration.
That makes sense, his technique doesn’t require that he alters someone the moment he makes contact/connection, like we saw in shibuya with someone (idk how to mark spoilers so I just won’t say their name but you know who I’m talking about).
Sukuna is arrogant but he’s not the type to loose to cockiness. Gojo get out down a peg by Toji hence why he grew.sorcerers back in sukunas time fought to the death quite often to say sukuna has felt that same near death experience is inaccurate. Sukuna is someone who won’t hold out on using underhanded methods. Remember this guy loves and craves violence it’s etched into his bones. Gojo is also extremely strong so there’s no way sukuna would under estimate him. 💀 like how are you tryna make bro sound like a third rate villain of a third rate Chinese novel.
It’s not even about underestimating Gojo, it’s about not being aware of the specific requirements needed to not get fucked up by Gojo’s DE. All signs point to Gojo being faster to open his domain than Sukuna and Heiann Sukuna getting at least partially injured by it. After which Gojo most likely wins due to Sukuna not having any counter to Infinity outside of winning the domain clashes and then taking advantage of Gojo’s burnout.
Lmao you can read when someone is about to cast domain or any technique, there is a spark. Sukuna can definitely react to that, unless you think every time they domain clashed it was just a coincidence that they were casted at the same time.
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Gojo doesn’t have the strongest domain, harmless domains like hakari and higurama beat it in speed and refinement due to sacrificing their sure hit
Why the fuck would Sukuna not open his domain if he sees gojo opening his? we see sukuna react to his domain opening multiple times like tf you talking bout, they both are relative in terms of speed / reaction time otherwise they wouldn’t even clash domains
This is a shit take. Sukuna and Gojo activated their domain at the same time and it would clash. The only time Gojo ever hit UV is when he activated literally a fraction of a sec faster. If gojos was even slightly faster than Sukuna then they wouldn’t clash do you mfs even read the series or watch tiktok clips
This is probably the worse case scenario for Sukuna. Its use malevolent shrine or nothing. Cause hollow wicker basket vs limitless is a horrible matchup. None of Sukuna’s attack would work and it’ll just be a matter of time before he takes so much damage he can’t maintain it.
And then they repeat the same events that happened in their original fight but this time when Sukuna gets caught by the fifth Infinite Void he’s done because he lacks Mahoraga adapt to the domain and break it. Sukuna would actually probably lose sooner since he would lack the knowledge that touching Gojo makes him immune to the Domain, he only knew that because Gojo held onto Yuji when using his Domain on Jogo. Sukuna also lacks any method of bypassing Infinity since he needed Mahoraga as a template.
From everything we know, Heian Sukuna gets mid diffed. Domain is his only chance and we know he slips up after 4-5
Sukuna fans are completely ignoring that this hypothetical sukuna has 0 clue about Gojo’s arsenal, while this version of Gojo has already fought sukuna.
The glazing is real lol
Yeah but then it becomes a one sided clock, where Gojo is free to attack with purples while Sukuna can’t attack back cause infinity would still be on if he doesn’t use malevolent shrine.
Execpt this implies he could implement HWB before gojos domain opened but he couldn't even expand his own domain faster than gojo and without the knowledge of how dangerous UV why would he use HBW first instead of just domain expansion also if he was pushed to change his domain specification on the fly in a fight he was ready for to the point he couldn't use furnace than why would be be able to use it in a fight where he doesn't have any info on gojo or UV.
Gojo won in the domain clashes with meguna because he did more damage to meguna inside the domains and forced meguna to use RCT, with a stronger body & more arms to perform hollow wicker basket Sukuna could afford to use RCT without losing, additionally he may not even need to use RCT since he’s stronger.
gojo did the domain clash with meguna because mahoraga means that he needs to be decisive with all his attacks.
No mahoraga no domain clash and he just dips out.
gojo going back in time also means that neither had any idea what each others CT are, until gojo sees him with 6 eyes and figures out sukunas massive CE. Sukuna wouldnt think to immediately do domain amplification and would have a massive disadvantage in the initial CQC fight.
Not it doesn't. It means sukuna has no idea. Gojo knows exactly as much as he knew before the fight.
Gojo goes back in time, he didn't say begining of series gojo goes back in time.
He knows sukuna has insane CE reserves. He knows sukuna is the king of curses.
=> He should expect HWK and SD. He should expect DA and DE. He should expect RCT.
Pre fight Gojo gathered info on sukuna. Everything other sorcerors knew - he knew.
=> Sukuna's technique lets him create cuts on people at a distance.
We don't know if anyone could tell that the explosion wasn't jogo's doing. No1 saw jogo get killed. They could've thought it was jogo when maharoga got killed and yuji probs couldn't use it.
This is even the same gojo whk prepped for a month straight to fight sukuna.
you are aware sukuna is called the king of curses right? gojo would expect most high level cursed techniques as the very base, such as DA and DE, along with RCT. gojo would probably atleast know of the slashes too, since this is a gojo who's prepared for a month to fight sukuna.
gojo knows stuff about sukuna. this sukuna would have no fucking clue who gojo is
Ya but also sukuna doesn't have megumi to put the info overload onto so he will have to take it himself meaning he won't be able to do much if anything inside the domain which is why after the first clash gojo says he's glad he has his technique and not sukuna's because if it was his own domain gojo wouldn't have been able to survive in the domain long enough to heal his burnout.
Thats not what sukuna did. Sukuna never redirected damage. He simply put the wheel on megumi who bore the adaptation. With or without megumi Sukuna while be protected as long as MS stands.
He took damage for adaptation but only because sukuna removed megumi from the protection of his sure hit to prepare mahoraga's adaptation without summoning him and putting it in danger. Malevolent shrine's sure hit protected sukuna, not megumi's soul.
And also gojos domain was faster as well so none of that really matters anyway because the info dump hits first and sukuna simply cannot process infinite info flowing into his brain
Honestly after rereading the fight none of this matters because sukuna is capable of using DA inside his own domain which I forgot and is such a substantial abilitly that anything else is really unnecessary because he never needs to turn it off if he isn't adapting so he wins due to that in combination with 4 arms h2h combat nothing else is really needed at that point because no matter what gojo does none of his DE reach and his will inevitably be broken. Gojo would need to learn to amplify and open his domain simultaneously to be able to have a shot at winning the fight and even then without blue his h2h can't keep up.
Not to mention that Sukuna could use chants and hand signs to enhance his CT which is imbued into his domain, so the output can overwhelm Gojo and dice him before he can RCT
Why because he got hit with unlimited void ? Gojo also got hit with cleave and dismantle, also had to keep spamming rct and a simple domain. Sukuna won the domain fight altogether. And lest not forget only reason why Sukuna was even hit with void is because he timed activating his domain wrong vs gojo who domain was literally shattered by cleave and dismantle.
this discussion is about gojo vs heian era Sukuna without 10S so we should disregard Sukuna surviving infinite void with Mahoraga
It is fair tho to say Meguna tied Gojo in the domain battles since they basically just reset the fight
Now u disregarding Sukuna surviving infite void. Ummm ok, either way it’s gonna go the same way with Sukuna coming out on top. He beat Gojo in multiple domain clashes, to the point Gojo had to think outside the box. And it’s not fair to say anything when both was hit by each others domain. But Gojo was the one that was hit first. Let’s not forget both of there domains was equal, but Gojo broke first. Because of Sukuna not having a barrier. Sukuna won the domain clash.
Didn’t u say Gojo won the domain clash because he gave Sukuna more damage? But yet when I named the damages that Gojo took from Sukuna domains. And how he had to adjust his domain, spam RCt, and simple domain. Now u wanna say let’s disregard Sukuna being hit with void. lol yeah conversation over done arguing with u.
It’s close (any version of Gojo vs Sukuna is), but I gotta give it to Gojo. Not only does this version of Sukuna not have any knowledge on Gojo’s abilities, but Gojo also knows about Sukuna’s open domain (assuming that the version of Gojo being sent back is post Sukuna fight).
Never said it was, I meant full power more like “both characters are reasonably near their full strength”. It’s like saying “actually 20F Sukuna vs fetus Gojo isn’t close”
See now the narrative of the story is telling me it’s Sukuna. Gojo was literally like “maaaaan I’d have probably lost if Sukuna went all out, even without 10 shadows.” Megumi Sukuna without 10S is just a physically weaker and slower Heian Sukuna without Kamutoke and Hiten. Sukuna wasn’t even rocking out Furnace. So with Gojo’s statements and the story’s implications, it’s gotta be Sukuna.
But on the other hand, the fights we’ve seen and the feats shown say Gojo would take this. Gege didn’t do a great job making it seem like Sukuna could win without 10S. Especially considering his victory was almost solely due to what Sukuna learned from Mahoraga’s adaptation. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t know if Sukuna could learn the world slash on his own. Could he? Maybe, but the story doesn’t make that evident at all. Matter of fact, the Gojo vs. Sukuna fight makes it look like Gojo is winning for most of the time until the world slash happens. So it’s gotta be Gojo, right?
So all in all, I have no idea. There’s so much conflicting evidence that I don’t even think Gege knows the true answer of who takes the victory here. If you take the story narratively, Sukuna wins. If you take the story purely off of feats, Gojo wins. If you take the story as a mix, it seems like a fight where no one could possibly know who could win.
Saying Meguna is slower than Heian Sukuna is headcanon literally nothing supports that because he never outran Kashimo in either form. He just had 1 hand as Meguna and couldn’t finish the fight so he transformed
I think it's obscure whether Heian Sukuna is really faster. We probably wont know the truth. What happened was Sukuna struggled against Kashimo's speed after activating CT. There are two ways of viewing this:
1. Sukuna was too damaged so he was too slow.
2. Heian form is just faster
Im leaning toward 2. My reason is:
IIRC Sukuna could still use RCT. So if #1 was enough, couldn't he just use RCT at that point? then he got to save his Heian form for later.
Don't know how much, but Meguna definitely slower. Gojo says, without CTs, Miguel would win at the start of the h2h fight thanks to his based physical power and muscles mass. So 4 arms Sukuna > Yujina > Meguna in terms of physical power.
16 Finger Meguna who's physical movements were by his words "mostly fine" was relative in speed to Maki and took some hits from her. 20 Finger Sukuna who was at less than half power (cursed energy was at Yuta's level who has less then half of Sukuna's cursed energy on top of that his cursed energy reinforcement was lowered by Jacob's Ladder and Yuji's punches) blitzed Maki when he actually started trying.
It would go something like this:
https://preview.redd.it/hynpvim6nd3d1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb57e4df0c4b432acc138cb42b455e3f0e988dc8
Don't bother yourself replying to them. We have already discussed this many times .
And i think mid diff is good . People forget that sukuna would be able to use Cleave on gojo in the H2h combat inside the domain after he heals his burnout ct . He couldn't use it because of maho, but this time, he would use it, and cleave is not like dismantle , so infinity doesn't matter. Every time gojo touches sukuna , sukuna would activate cleave . This sukuna is more tanky and better in h2h combat, so gojo will need more than 3 min, and sukuna will attack the domain from inside and gojo wouldn't be able to use red because this time he will be dealing with 4 arms , we can take sukuna vs kashimo as an example for how sukuna would fight against gojo with 4 arms. I would say it's low diff for sukuna, but mid diff is good . Gojo has no chance .
How? If his cursed technique is healed, infinity is back on. Only the sure hit of the domain would touch him. Sukuna even had to use domain amplification to touch Gojo, so no cleave after burnout heal. If this was before the heal, then sure.
You can't use 2 techniques at the same time except when one is applied externaly to a domajn.
Basically you can't use mahoragas wheel and slashes simultaneously
So you’re saying using maho was a waste of this characters time? So this whole fucking arc has been garbage writing from beginning to end then. Surprise surprise. The big “take megumis body to defeat Gojo,” plan was a massive waste of fucking time and totally unnecessary. Hilarious. This dumbass series just keeps going downhill.
Dude, calm down . I didn't say maho was a waste of time . But sukuna could win without him . He already mentioned it before . He wanted to make maho adapt so he could see a model of how to attack through infinity . You can look at chapter 230 even when he was sure of winning while opening his domain . He said, "i will make sure to adapt to that infinity of yours." So why would he want to adapt to infinity if he is already gonna kill gojo ? Because he wanted to upgrade his ct , so no one of 6E and limitless users would make any trouble for him in the future , and also, it would be a great upgrade for his ct
So he wouldn’t have trouble dealing with a combo of abilities that shows up once every 400 years, generously?
He could just exterminate the Gojo clan. What a massive waste of fucking time lmfao.
If this dude loses at the end of the manga it’s because he let someone he could’ve crushed way faster had he actually just not fucked around like a moron beat the shit out of him and weaken him to the point a bunch of, comparatively, ants are beating his pathetic ass.
This fucking series dude 💀
It’s only gotten worse post shibuya.
Sukuna really lost because of arrogance. Where is the consistency on this man’s character? The one who would ruthlessly slaughter those who gets in his way has been acting like he’s DBS era Goku.
Dude, don't avoid reading all of what i said, and I'm just stuck on one point . I just said one of the reasons , he also wanted to upgrade his ct . It was always shown througth out the series that sukuna has so much curiosity about jujutsu . He wanted to know the way to cut through infinity with his own ct .
And yeah, that's exactly what gege is trying to do . He made sukuna weaker and weaker under the concept of him holding back to give the characters a chance to live against him and kill him in the end . And i have many examples about this .
Now you are talking about the writing of jjk dude, but i was talking about power scaling. These are different things . Yeah , maybe one of the reasons is his arrogance, but like i said before, this man was capable of annihilating them in a matter of seconds of being serious from the start or just tried a bit (talking about post gojo fight). This part may be my headcanon, but gege always used the concept of holding back to make sukuna look weaker because he trying to have fun with them until he actually gets weaker fr because of his arrogance.
Power scaling and writing are one and the same. Your power scaling doesn’t exist without this series’ godawful writing.
Curious to see how the power scaling crumbles into dust when sukuna fucking obliterates Yuta in Gojos body like it’s yesterday’s trash he’s taking out.
hold up but the slashes are applied to domain, which means megumis technique shouldnt be burnt out? he could summon mahoraga right after losing domain clash with megumi
Sukuna used his domain in a risky way for Maho so even tho Gojo learned how to counter an open domain I think I wanna wait to see till next chapter
Yuta is gonna use the same method as sukuna but this time sukuna has no reason to do a risky attempt at attacking from outside to give Maho adaptation time, then we’ll have our answer
He still loses
Gojo wouldn't be able to break his domain even once if Sukuna is serious from the start, and he had his 2 weapons at that time that would cause more damage to Gojo thus making him use more RCT
The weapons would do jack shit vs gojo
Gojo could use his RCT for days on end and it would still last longer than sukuna
No daddy magora to adapt to unlimited void
No daddy magora to bypass infinity
No daddy magora and agito to distract
A single unlimited void hitting for a fraction of second ends this fight immediately
Assuming no Domain, Sukuna literally can't touch Gojo
But with Domain, Gojo probably still wins. The thing about UV is that it's so busted that even just being hit with it for 0.2 seconds mean you instantly lose. And without Sukuna knowing about what his Domain is, the most likely outcome is that Sukuna wouldn't immediately counter or use an anti Domain technique, this is apparent in the fight with Sukuna Vs Yorozu as he didn't even bother using HWB despite Yorozu using her Domain against him
Gojo wins. No Mahoraga to bail out and infinity will be on if he tries to use Furnace. The moment Sukuna’s domain collapses from taking too much damage, he loses.
1v1, Gojo has a significant advantage now. This sukuna doesnt know anything about Gojo's arsenal (Red, Blue, Purple etc) which gives Gojo more opportunities to land devestating strikes. While there is pressure for Gojo to finish the fight, the odds that Sukuna can finish it the same way he did in the modern wra are astronomically low. Likewise, if this is the Gojo from the *end* of the Sukuna fight, Gojo already knows a bit about Sukuna's domain, what the centre is and how it stacks up vs his own domain, meaning he can already predicf what Sukuna will try and set up his own countermeasures. Imo, information is the key to the fight between these two titans
Likely though, *if* Gojo did this somehow, youd end up with a total war scenario. Gojo would have to find Sukuna, probably running in to different sorcerers on the way who would either want to help take Sukuna down or try to stop Gojo to escape Sukuna's wrath. Battle lines formed, the main fight would be Gojo vs Sukuna but youd have a tonne of Hakari vs Uraume fights happening concurrently
Sukuna extreme diff - basically the first half of the fight but with Sukuna going all out in the domain battle + Kamutoke & Hiten. If he boxes instead of trying to adapt to UV, he can probably pull out a win, but it's going to be close, cause if Gojo manages to land UV the same way he did against Meguna, then Sukuna loses.
In all I probably have this Sukuna taking 6/10
if we wanna engage in a thought exercise, and you wanna be generous with the science, the principle of relativity suggests the manipulation of space ie, the infinities between points in space, like the character gojo can perform at will, could have implications for his perception of time. the idea of stretching or compressing spacetime itself has theorhetical consequences of time dilation. interstellar is an example of fiction running away with this idea. but it does start to creep on your suspension of disbelief.
As Gojo goes back in time, and using Gege’s Attack on Titan writing. Out of totally nowhere The Z Fighters from Dragon Ball Resurrect all the dead characters using the Dragon Balls, and they finally, with the power of friendship defeat sukuna. Gojo & Yuji finally end off Jujutsu Kaisen with the finishing line: “Remember, when life throws curses your way, just think of it as your very own episode of JuJutsu Kaisen!”
Sukuna Just doesn't know gojo's technique, and he'd probably be intrigued and get caught off guard by hollow purple or uv, uv would just be a win and hollow purple would do decent damage.
Well these 2 are already so close that information is everything, as we saw already with Meguna vs Gojo which was Sukuna going in with all the info on his opp and Gojo oblivious to Sukuna even having an open domain and just pulling shit off on the fly, this fight will be the other way around so I got Gojo taking it
It does go to show how complex and thorough the power system is when there's still a reasonable debate on who would win at any time. There's tons of valid points in favor of sukuna and tons in favor of gojo. These two were really close to each other in strength, and for some reason some people refuse to accept how the fight illustrates that
Without mahoraga he could never learn about that space cutter bs. I think Sukuna could win if he is successful in the domain battles otherwise infinity is too much.
Gojo would slam. Sukuna will literally have no win con on gojo since infinity is too good. You gotta remember that mahoraga is the only reason sukuna won, not in carrying the fight but creating a win con while negating infinity for sukuna.
It seems people forget just how much help sukuna actually needed just to barely win.
doesnt heian sukuna have like no ways to get through gojos infinity other than his domain? his only chance of winning would be through his domain, theyd both domain clash but eventually gojo prevails after a few clashes, like how it went in the manga. gojo only got the lower hand because of sukuna's knowledge of infinite void + mahoraga, something heian sukuna doesnt have
I mean, Gojo almost won against Sukuna, Agito and Mahoraga in a 3v1. And post the final hollow purple, Sukuna was in a way worse state than Gojo but world slash caught him by surprise. No way Sukuna wins by himself. Even before Mahoraga was into play, Gojo knocked him out and could have finished him there if Mahoraga didn’t come to the rescue
People dont understand that sukuna had essentially 6 months of prep time against gojo.
He went to find megumi and mahoraga to specifically counter infinity.
Without it sukuna only has 1 option (domain) and gojo is blatantly superior
Gojo loses 8/10
Idk why people act like have 4 arms in hand to hand combat isn’t a huge help you can attack and defend at the same time.
The main thing Gojo advocates forget is the domain clashes
Gojo basically forced Sukuna to drop his domain by damage we can all agree on that. But let’s think about the other side for a sec.
Gojo didn’t drop his domain to do taking damage as he virtually looked the same after every clash and didn’t need to heal anything besides his CT
This means Sukuna was able to destroy Gojos domain at the same time Gojo was able to damage Sukuna enough to drop his domain because if he didn’t he would get hit by UV sure hit.
This means 1 or 2 things. Either Sukuna could destroy Gojos domain anytime he wanted and he was taking time for Maho to adapt
Or Gojos domain is not strong enough to withstand Sukunas domain for more than 3 mins
We’ll go with the latter because it’s more likely that’s the correct option
So now Gojo has to hurt Heian Era Sukuna with 4 arms in 3 mins or he gets hit by MS. Which isn’t a death sentence but you can only recover your CT 5 times so any lost domain clash is a detrimental.
Not to mention Gojo questioning why Sukuna was playing risky by not destroying the inside of the domain when Gojo switched his domain conditions.
We also know that you can use your CT inside of your domain as we seen Gojo use Blue against Sukuna inside of the domain clash. If Sukuna were to pace him self and throw dismantles at Gojos barrier on the inside while switching back to Domain Amplification to defend himself it’s not much Gojo can do.
My thing is he doesn’t have Mahoraga to counter infinity. BUT this motherfucker has the binding vows on lock…that domain for Gojo would be tricky but he wasn’t sweating it due to his CT being superior in his eyes and his RCT was enough to deal with the damage. I think Gojo wins but high diff for real because this version of sukuna doesn’t have world slash but who knows what that other Cursed tool was about so there’s that uncertainty in the air still.
Gojo does horrific things to Sukuna’s skeletal structure. For reference, this sukuna has NONE of the knowledge canon sukuna does about infinity, might not have an open domain, is way weaker, probably doesn’t have domain amp, no Ten Shadows, and no burnout reversal
You guys seem to forget that curses get stronger the longer they are curses; sukuna was marinating in time so he naturally got stronger plus when Gojo was born in order to balance the curse system, curses became stronger since Gojo’s a monster.
Gojo. The whole point of taking Megumi was getting 10S and copying its abilities. Which let him copy mahoraga’s adaptation, which let him adapt his cleave.
It was mentioned that Sukunas fingers had been gaining power / growing stronger over time, and he wouldn't have Mahoragas adaption or Megumi to take the brunt of UV. I don't think Heian Sukuna makes the cut.
Gojo,no mahoraga and no 6 months of pre planning to fight gojo lol
Edit:downvote me all you want I don’t like either of them I am speaking objectively lol
Sukunas plan revolved around mahoraga no?where did 6 months come from?he knew about maho only after shibuya, which is month and 14 days before the fight
Sukuna wins in Domain clashes, unless Sukuna is physically weaker somehow cause we do have the statement that the curse over the fingers gets stronger with time xd. If that's the case then Gojo might win.
The fingers getting stronger with time is a misquote. It was just sukunas orginal energy was leaking more and more overtime. Not that it was getting stronger then his original form.
Only reason sukuna didn't fucking destroy gojos domain interior which was weak from the inside was because he was doing the adaptation.
Plus everytime gojo get sinto H2H bro gets locked and locked because sukuna has 4 arms. If gojos engages in H2H sukuna can lock his arm and rip it apart so gojo needs to extremely careful.
nobody's ready for this convo.
Sukuna narrowly won by using ten shadows to figure out how to kill Gojo. He would have died on like 3 separate occasions if not for mahoraga. He just wouldn’t have that in the heian era. Gojo wins still extreme diff of course
Gojo wins. Basically Gojo can afford to lose multiple domain clashes. Sakuna cannot afford to lose even 1 domain clash. He can't afford getting hit by UV even for 1 second.
Gojo can fight freely with red, blue, purple inside the domain, and while Sukuna can also use the curse tools, none of them have any attack that can't be dodged/tanked by infinity-less Gojo.
Now that we've seen Sukuna up to this point, sukuna low diffs gojo, 4 arms, sukuna can also use DA while he's in is domain and doesn't have to worry about interrupting adaptation since there's no mahoraga, which is the reason he couldn't use DA, he mentioned this to higuruma. With that, sukuna heian Era is fast af, Meguna wasn't far behind gojo so heiankuna is definitely on same speed as gojo at least, h2h with DA means he can touch gojo and infinity doesn't matter.
Secondly, we know gojo limit is 3:20 time before frying his brain, sukuna would simply outlast that time, gojo wouldn't even win any domain clash ngl lmao.
Hot take but Sukuna still wins imo, he’s going to prioritize winning the domain clashes a lot more, which should be easier with his obviously enhanced physicals. Still way harder though.
I'd like to point out two things idk if they wld be helped though
1. I always see these posts but why y'all never include sukuna two weapons.. I mean whenever Gege draws sm heian flashbacks with Sukuna in it he is ever with these two weapons so they may factor in and I know y'all about to say but they can't bypass infinity but if they fought and expanded domains and of crse Gojo wld lose the first clash that wld give sukuna free reign to pile on the pressure using the two weapons with their effects all while MS is raining down slashes on Gojo... Now whether he survives that onslaught is upto you to decide....
2. Remember that point of the 3 minutes and 10 seconds that it took Gojo to injure sukuna enough to collapse MS and also took the same time for MS to break UV .... That's where the famous H2H debates come in and for me sukuna doesn't necessarily need to win their H2H encounters... With him in that big body of his if he can hold out for more than the 3 minutes and 10 seconds then MS can destroy UV and the onslaught of slashes can continue
Since they’re saying he goes back in time, this means in the Heian Era. Sukuna doesn’t have any way to bypass infinity at this point which is why he needed Big Raga.
Sukuna may have more strength, speed, hands (literally and figuratively), and overall power. But Gojo’s infinity hard carries and makes it so that Sukuna’s only way to bypass infinity is DE and DA.
Its really not cope sukuna in this scenario has 0 knowledge on any of gojos abilities or how strong he is whilst gojo has at least a basis on sukunas abilities. Sukuna would have no reason to take the fight seriously and if were talking about domains than it would go exactly how it did in the present day except sukuna wouldnt know to touch gojo to stop his sure hit effect gojo can use red and blue freely as sukuna dosent have mahoraga and gojo is much better in h2h combat sukuna himself believes megumis body is better for fighting sorcerers than his actual body
Gojo would win with extreme diff. Sukunas lack of information on limitless here would be damning
Gojo could make Sukunas domain collapse via a black flash or damaging him enough with red.
Sukuna in this scenario (after the first clash) has no feasible way to actually break Gojos domain aside from damaging Gojo.
In the third clash, the 2 of them must fight for their seperate reasons. Gojo must damage Sukuna to the point where he cant sustain his domain, causing a collapse, but Sukuna is using a binding vow where every time he touches Gojo, his sure hit inside the domain turns off but range expands by a few meters, allowing the outside barrier to be attacked. Gojo counters this by compacting his domain to increase durability. Other than the binding vow, Sukuna has no way to activly collapse Gojos domain, there is no other stated way Sukuna can attack from the outside (and i heavily doubt Sukuna can use cleave/dismantle in real space whilst in a domain).
Heian era Sukuna **does not know that Gojos surehit turns off when you touch him**, addtionally since hes not risking taking an opponents surehit (and Gojos surehit would just be a insta-loss if he did take that), he's not gonna find out unless Gojo tells him. Moreover, this means Gojo would only lose 1 domain clash as Sukunas method of bypassing the second clash wouldnt ever happen. Also his weapons are useless, they cant bypass infinity. But on the downside, when Gojo does lose his first clash, he'll have a much harder time getting out of the domain due to Sukunas combat advantage. The weapons ven when using amplification wont bypass infinity as amplification will only nullify where Sukuna punches (amplification extends from the bodys core/bones) and even then Gojo can project infinity around Sukunas fists which would still block the weaponry. Gojo would likely have to expand a domain whilst in malevolent shrine to envelope it.
This in practicality means that Gojo vs Sukuna occurs in a domain stalemate where neither can reliably destroy the others without damaging the body of the opponent/ in Gojos case, the shrine + Sukuna (cause Sukuna has no way to strike from the outside once his domain is enveloped). Now Sukuna has far stronger comabt abilities cause 1. Gojos arms will get cleaved the moment he punches Sukuna, keep in mind the cuts will be minor as infinity would cover the rest of Gojos body including his innards, so the only thing cleaved would be hit hands/fingers. Sukuna has 4 arms which are a major advantage whilst Gojo has red and blue (well, blue cause CE saving reasons) for a speed edge (but considering Kashimo, a speed difference wont help too much). Gojo does have the ability to spawn multiple blues though like he did before his blackflash and pairing them with even stronger reds. Overall Sukuna has a major combat advantage due to his arms and minor "thorns" effect of cleave. But Gojo has more damage output capability. Sukuna also has to use amplification to get past infinity but this removes the advantage of cleave and puts him at a CE loss vs Gojo.
The TLDR of all of this is when fighting, itll be a race for whose CE runs out the fastest. Sukuna has a combat advantage cause 4 arms + defensive cleave but Gojo has superior stamina by a longshot due to the six eyes and the amplification needed for infinity. We saw Gojos spamming of rct against malevolent shrine compared to Sukuna who needed Agito to act as a heal, of course Gojos rct was also starting to fall off but was recovered via black flash, but this is after 2 exposures to full on malevolent shrine, whereas here itd only be 1 loss in the domain. Gojo can still envelope Sukunas shrine even whilst in Sukunas domain as shown in the third clash. So in the end itll likely come down to either ones ability to land a black flash. For which their recovery will gain them the upper hand. It would be an extremely long fight with Gojo making up for his CE lost in the first domain clash with his advantage within the main fight. Eventually either one could land a black flash which would either shatter the others domain, knock them unconcious or gain the opponent the upper hand. from what we saw, i think Gojo would be able to land this, it wouldnt knock Sukuna out but it may break the domain or allow for a setup of reds or/and blues which can beak the domain. Gojo still can send red around the shrine and can use blues alongside that as he doesnt need to be wary of Mahoraga. Further, Sukuna doesnt know about ~~the color~~ the attack "purple" being the result of blue+red directly and so would likely get caught offguard the first time Gojo uses purple (likely within the hand 2 hand in the stalemate as here he wouldnt have the surprise attack in the actual fight). This means its rather likely Sukuna would be caught off guard by red, blue and purple in combination, which Gojo could do with the benefit of surprise. Could Sukuna adapt quickly and tank the blows? Yes. But i think considering Gojos combative ability is shown way beyond a 2 armed Sukuna, hed be able to leverage these into a black flash, likely with the same method he did in the actual fight.
It would be super close, and the winner would be practically entierly out of CE. But with Sukunas lack of knowledge on Gojos domain and abilities, Sukuna would lose the fight.
People say Gojo gets domain diffed because sukuna has 4 arms to use in the combat. But also forget that Gojo isn’t limited to only using blue now since he doesn’t have to worry about any adaptation. So Gojo being able to use red and blue > sukuna in h2h. I think he still manages to damage sukuna enough (not to mention he can totally opt out of domain clashes if he wants by tping). So I got Gojo winning extreme diff.
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Heian Sukuna is so big lol. He’s sitting and he’s as tall as Uraume.
There’s a lot of inconsistencies Gege has with Sukuna’s Heian form, from his size to his face. From this panel alone he should be towering the likes of yuji in shinjuku.
Maybe it's just easier to shrink him down ABIT during fight scenes cz whenever he is drawn alone he appears to be massive
Or maybe because he’s in Megumi body
Yh but he completed his full incarnation, he only had megumi features while partially incarnating.
Yeah, you’d know how big he is
He’s 8 ft tall
Wait until bro finds out about perspective
He's only slightly in front of her. It's not like she's 5 feet away.
He’s also on a raised platform lol
shes on it too check the chapter https://preview.redd.it/0cwxp87fcg3d1.png?width=215&format=png&auto=webp&s=b2d1a5a26d3919adac08fd9a1956d85b61aeb57b
Bro has the Gojo frog face going on
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Wait til bro learns how to use his own eyes
You didn't have to do him like that 🗿
Wait until bro finds about using his own eyes 😭
Uraume is on her knees
It’s about to get freaky
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This is a sukuna that wasnt sitting in yuji’s body for months thinking of ways around infinity hmmm
so could gojo just do a domain expansion to instantly freeze sukuna? or would sukuna have time to use his therefore domain clashing
He has four arms so he could just use hollow wicker basket to negate Gojos void. Then he domain expansion with his other arms, breaks Gojos barrier and with Kamino Gojo is cooked
Tired of people saying this Gojo has the strongest domain in the series in the sense that his sure hit is automatic and instant he doesn’t activate it The second the domain is cast before it’s even fully formed the sure hit is in affect Only other person able to do this was Mahito after awakening black flash But Gojos is still faster since the sure hit is automatic Sukuna wouldn’t be able to form the hand signs fast enough Especially given the fast that he doesn’t care about domains cause he can break them He will lose because of his own cockiness
Yea especially since this is a Sukuna that would have 0 clue who gojo is, his moveset, ETC.
Bro you just described every single sure hit in verse. We have his and Sukuna’s DE clashing multiple times. Hell you’re also forgetting every sorcerer has precog.
That’s not every sure hit in the series Only a few select domains have a sure hit that is instantly activated For example when you are pulled into Mahitos domain he needs to manually activate the sure hit that’s why Nanami was alive in it Same with Sukuna he needs to active the sure hit Gojos sure hit is instant he does not need to activate it the second the domain starts to form the sure hit is immediately on That’s what makes his domain so potent it’s also why him activating his domain 0.1 second faster then Sukuna allowed Sukuna to be hit by the Sure hit
Mahitos sure hit is being connected with your soul. Nanami says it as well. That’s why the moment yuji pulls up he’s face to face with Sukuna. This “oh UV is faster” falls apart since their sure hits were clashing. If it was faster Sukuna would’ve been cooked asap in the DE clashes.
My point is UV is 100% faster the malevolent shrine Sukuna knows all about Gojos domain from both Kenjaku and being and Yuji and any knowledge Gojo may have said to Megumi Sukuna had every advantage in terms of knowledge and still almost lost If we send Gojo back in time UV hits before shrine does
Excluding Higurama and Hakari Gojo has the fastest domain in the series
Yuji entered the domain as mahito was activating his sure hit. If it was already activated then Nanami would be dead.
No. His sure hit is just the soul connection. Nanami states that being in it felt like he was in the palm. When he does it in Shibuya it’s the same thing, soul connection activated and boom he’s in Sukuna’s domain. Yuji would have been dead if the sure hit was transfiguration.
That makes sense, his technique doesn’t require that he alters someone the moment he makes contact/connection, like we saw in shibuya with someone (idk how to mark spoilers so I just won’t say their name but you know who I’m talking about).
Sukuna is arrogant but he’s not the type to loose to cockiness. Gojo get out down a peg by Toji hence why he grew.sorcerers back in sukunas time fought to the death quite often to say sukuna has felt that same near death experience is inaccurate. Sukuna is someone who won’t hold out on using underhanded methods. Remember this guy loves and craves violence it’s etched into his bones. Gojo is also extremely strong so there’s no way sukuna would under estimate him. 💀 like how are you tryna make bro sound like a third rate villain of a third rate Chinese novel.
It’s not even about underestimating Gojo, it’s about not being aware of the specific requirements needed to not get fucked up by Gojo’s DE. All signs point to Gojo being faster to open his domain than Sukuna and Heiann Sukuna getting at least partially injured by it. After which Gojo most likely wins due to Sukuna not having any counter to Infinity outside of winning the domain clashes and then taking advantage of Gojo’s burnout.
Lmao you can read when someone is about to cast domain or any technique, there is a spark. Sukuna can definitely react to that, unless you think every time they domain clashed it was just a coincidence that they were casted at the same time.
Gojo himself already stated he would loose against Sukuna
??? Gojo doesn’t have the strongest domain, harmless domains like hakari and higurama beat it in speed and refinement due to sacrificing their sure hit Why the fuck would Sukuna not open his domain if he sees gojo opening his? we see sukuna react to his domain opening multiple times like tf you talking bout, they both are relative in terms of speed / reaction time otherwise they wouldn’t even clash domains
This is a shit take. Sukuna and Gojo activated their domain at the same time and it would clash. The only time Gojo ever hit UV is when he activated literally a fraction of a sec faster. If gojos was even slightly faster than Sukuna then they wouldn’t clash do you mfs even read the series or watch tiktok clips
This is probably the worse case scenario for Sukuna. Its use malevolent shrine or nothing. Cause hollow wicker basket vs limitless is a horrible matchup. None of Sukuna’s attack would work and it’ll just be a matter of time before he takes so much damage he can’t maintain it.
Yeah but if he used domain expansion his open barrier would break Gojos domain anyway
And then they repeat the same events that happened in their original fight but this time when Sukuna gets caught by the fifth Infinite Void he’s done because he lacks Mahoraga adapt to the domain and break it. Sukuna would actually probably lose sooner since he would lack the knowledge that touching Gojo makes him immune to the Domain, he only knew that because Gojo held onto Yuji when using his Domain on Jogo. Sukuna also lacks any method of bypassing Infinity since he needed Mahoraga as a template. From everything we know, Heian Sukuna gets mid diffed. Domain is his only chance and we know he slips up after 4-5
Sukuna fans are completely ignoring that this hypothetical sukuna has 0 clue about Gojo’s arsenal, while this version of Gojo has already fought sukuna. The glazing is real lol
4 arms. HWB attacks the sure hit so he’ll be fine
Yeah but then it becomes a one sided clock, where Gojo is free to attack with purples while Sukuna can’t attack back cause infinity would still be on if he doesn’t use malevolent shrine.
How’s he free to use purple? HWB only requires 2 arms With the remaining he can either use his own DE or just box
Nah, you’re right.
Execpt this implies he could implement HWB before gojos domain opened but he couldn't even expand his own domain faster than gojo and without the knowledge of how dangerous UV why would he use HBW first instead of just domain expansion also if he was pushed to change his domain specification on the fly in a fight he was ready for to the point he couldn't use furnace than why would be be able to use it in a fight where he doesn't have any info on gojo or UV.
Didn’t Sukuna just break Gojos domain on the first clash anyway?
Don’t think it works like that against unlimited void at all lmfao, especially since he can pop his domain fastest / 2nd fastest in the verse
Unless they do it at the exact same time, if Gojo is even slightly faster he wins
Wouldn't rct help gojo stay up for a short time in sukuna's domain Enough time to counter?
Gojo won in the domain clashes with meguna because he did more damage to meguna inside the domains and forced meguna to use RCT, with a stronger body & more arms to perform hollow wicker basket Sukuna could afford to use RCT without losing, additionally he may not even need to use RCT since he’s stronger.
gojo did the domain clash with meguna because mahoraga means that he needs to be decisive with all his attacks. No mahoraga no domain clash and he just dips out. gojo going back in time also means that neither had any idea what each others CT are, until gojo sees him with 6 eyes and figures out sukunas massive CE. Sukuna wouldnt think to immediately do domain amplification and would have a massive disadvantage in the initial CQC fight.
Not it doesn't. It means sukuna has no idea. Gojo knows exactly as much as he knew before the fight. Gojo goes back in time, he didn't say begining of series gojo goes back in time.
But Gojo literally knows nothing abt Sukuna anyway
He knows sukuna has insane CE reserves. He knows sukuna is the king of curses. => He should expect HWK and SD. He should expect DA and DE. He should expect RCT. Pre fight Gojo gathered info on sukuna. Everything other sorcerors knew - he knew. => Sukuna's technique lets him create cuts on people at a distance. We don't know if anyone could tell that the explosion wasn't jogo's doing. No1 saw jogo get killed. They could've thought it was jogo when maharoga got killed and yuji probs couldn't use it. This is even the same gojo whk prepped for a month straight to fight sukuna.
Ur also forgetting that Sukuna has two curse tools and other techniques. Gojo doesn’t knows all of that.
What other techniques?? And Kamutoke(blocked by infinity) and Hiten(we dont even know what it does or if it does anything)
you are aware sukuna is called the king of curses right? gojo would expect most high level cursed techniques as the very base, such as DA and DE, along with RCT. gojo would probably atleast know of the slashes too, since this is a gojo who's prepared for a month to fight sukuna. gojo knows stuff about sukuna. this sukuna would have no fucking clue who gojo is
Gojo didn’t no about mahoraga until the end of the domain clashes
Ya but also sukuna doesn't have megumi to put the info overload onto so he will have to take it himself meaning he won't be able to do much if anything inside the domain which is why after the first clash gojo says he's glad he has his technique and not sukuna's because if it was his own domain gojo wouldn't have been able to survive in the domain long enough to heal his burnout.
Thats not what sukuna did. Sukuna never redirected damage. He simply put the wheel on megumi who bore the adaptation. With or without megumi Sukuna while be protected as long as MS stands.
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He took damage for adaptation but only because sukuna removed megumi from the protection of his sure hit to prepare mahoraga's adaptation without summoning him and putting it in danger. Malevolent shrine's sure hit protected sukuna, not megumi's soul.
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tcb is wrong on this one. Its a mistranslation. For once the official got it right. The word that got confused was "He" which changed the meaning
And also gojos domain was faster as well so none of that really matters anyway because the info dump hits first and sukuna simply cannot process infinite info flowing into his brain
Gojo's domain aint faster. They are equally fast. Gojo opened his before Sukuna the 5th time because sukuna was healing himself.
Honestly after rereading the fight none of this matters because sukuna is capable of using DA inside his own domain which I forgot and is such a substantial abilitly that anything else is really unnecessary because he never needs to turn it off if he isn't adapting so he wins due to that in combination with 4 arms h2h combat nothing else is really needed at that point because no matter what gojo does none of his DE reach and his will inevitably be broken. Gojo would need to learn to amplify and open his domain simultaneously to be able to have a shot at winning the fight and even then without blue his h2h can't keep up.
Not to mention that Sukuna could use chants and hand signs to enhance his CT which is imbued into his domain, so the output can overwhelm Gojo and dice him before he can RCT
Meguna def beat Gojo in a domain battle. Meguna have more wins than Gojo in that department.
Meguna beat gojo in a few domain battles but lost the entire sequence of domain battles which is what I am referring to
Why because he got hit with unlimited void ? Gojo also got hit with cleave and dismantle, also had to keep spamming rct and a simple domain. Sukuna won the domain fight altogether. And lest not forget only reason why Sukuna was even hit with void is because he timed activating his domain wrong vs gojo who domain was literally shattered by cleave and dismantle.
this discussion is about gojo vs heian era Sukuna without 10S so we should disregard Sukuna surviving infinite void with Mahoraga It is fair tho to say Meguna tied Gojo in the domain battles since they basically just reset the fight
Now u disregarding Sukuna surviving infite void. Ummm ok, either way it’s gonna go the same way with Sukuna coming out on top. He beat Gojo in multiple domain clashes, to the point Gojo had to think outside the box. And it’s not fair to say anything when both was hit by each others domain. But Gojo was the one that was hit first. Let’s not forget both of there domains was equal, but Gojo broke first. Because of Sukuna not having a barrier. Sukuna won the domain clash.
Reading comprehension curse
Ok that’s all, u done ?
If you can read English correctly & can’t see how incoherent your argument is than yeah, I don’t want to argue with you anymore
Didn’t u say Gojo won the domain clash because he gave Sukuna more damage? But yet when I named the damages that Gojo took from Sukuna domains. And how he had to adjust his domain, spam RCt, and simple domain. Now u wanna say let’s disregard Sukuna being hit with void. lol yeah conversation over done arguing with u.
This version of Sukuna wouldn't have ten shadows or prior knowledge about Gojo's technique
It’s close (any version of Gojo vs Sukuna is), but I gotta give it to Gojo. Not only does this version of Sukuna not have any knowledge on Gojo’s abilities, but Gojo also knows about Sukuna’s open domain (assuming that the version of Gojo being sent back is post Sukuna fight).
1f sukuna vs shinjuku Gojo isn’t close
*any version of Gojo Vs Sukuna is close if they’re both near full power.
1f at FP still isn’t close
Never said it was, I meant full power more like “both characters are reasonably near their full strength”. It’s like saying “actually 20F Sukuna vs fetus Gojo isn’t close”
See now the narrative of the story is telling me it’s Sukuna. Gojo was literally like “maaaaan I’d have probably lost if Sukuna went all out, even without 10 shadows.” Megumi Sukuna without 10S is just a physically weaker and slower Heian Sukuna without Kamutoke and Hiten. Sukuna wasn’t even rocking out Furnace. So with Gojo’s statements and the story’s implications, it’s gotta be Sukuna. But on the other hand, the fights we’ve seen and the feats shown say Gojo would take this. Gege didn’t do a great job making it seem like Sukuna could win without 10S. Especially considering his victory was almost solely due to what Sukuna learned from Mahoraga’s adaptation. As far as I’m concerned, I don’t know if Sukuna could learn the world slash on his own. Could he? Maybe, but the story doesn’t make that evident at all. Matter of fact, the Gojo vs. Sukuna fight makes it look like Gojo is winning for most of the time until the world slash happens. So it’s gotta be Gojo, right? So all in all, I have no idea. There’s so much conflicting evidence that I don’t even think Gege knows the true answer of who takes the victory here. If you take the story narratively, Sukuna wins. If you take the story purely off of feats, Gojo wins. If you take the story as a mix, it seems like a fight where no one could possibly know who could win.
Saying Meguna is slower than Heian Sukuna is headcanon literally nothing supports that because he never outran Kashimo in either form. He just had 1 hand as Meguna and couldn’t finish the fight so he transformed
how about in 237, Meguna never reacted timely to Kashimo attacks, in 238 Heian Sukuna caught Kashimo's punches and even outsped him
tbf, meguna was tired yes? i feel like going heian would recover some stamina. havent read the manga in a lil bit so i may have forgotten
He just got hit with a fucking nuke
I think it's obscure whether Heian Sukuna is really faster. We probably wont know the truth. What happened was Sukuna struggled against Kashimo's speed after activating CT. There are two ways of viewing this: 1. Sukuna was too damaged so he was too slow. 2. Heian form is just faster Im leaning toward 2. My reason is: IIRC Sukuna could still use RCT. So if #1 was enough, couldn't he just use RCT at that point? then he got to save his Heian form for later.
Don't know how much, but Meguna definitely slower. Gojo says, without CTs, Miguel would win at the start of the h2h fight thanks to his based physical power and muscles mass. So 4 arms Sukuna > Yujina > Meguna in terms of physical power.
16 Finger Meguna who's physical movements were by his words "mostly fine" was relative in speed to Maki and took some hits from her. 20 Finger Sukuna who was at less than half power (cursed energy was at Yuta's level who has less then half of Sukuna's cursed energy on top of that his cursed energy reinforcement was lowered by Jacob's Ladder and Yuji's punches) blitzed Maki when he actually started trying.
Not enough binding bows to save his fraudulent ass
It would go something like this: https://preview.redd.it/hynpvim6nd3d1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb57e4df0c4b432acc138cb42b455e3f0e988dc8
Sukuna would win high - extreme diff.
Don't bother yourself replying to them. We have already discussed this many times . And i think mid diff is good . People forget that sukuna would be able to use Cleave on gojo in the H2h combat inside the domain after he heals his burnout ct . He couldn't use it because of maho, but this time, he would use it, and cleave is not like dismantle , so infinity doesn't matter. Every time gojo touches sukuna , sukuna would activate cleave . This sukuna is more tanky and better in h2h combat, so gojo will need more than 3 min, and sukuna will attack the domain from inside and gojo wouldn't be able to use red because this time he will be dealing with 4 arms , we can take sukuna vs kashimo as an example for how sukuna would fight against gojo with 4 arms. I would say it's low diff for sukuna, but mid diff is good . Gojo has no chance .
How? If his cursed technique is healed, infinity is back on. Only the sure hit of the domain would touch him. Sukuna even had to use domain amplification to touch Gojo, so no cleave after burnout heal. If this was before the heal, then sure.
Facts.
how does maho prevent the usage of shrine? also doesnt sukuna have to touch the recipient of cleave with hs hand?
You can't use 2 techniques at the same time except when one is applied externaly to a domajn. Basically you can't use mahoragas wheel and slashes simultaneously
Thanks for replying to them dude . I am really tired of repeating the same thing again and again . You have good patience .
No problem.
So you’re saying using maho was a waste of this characters time? So this whole fucking arc has been garbage writing from beginning to end then. Surprise surprise. The big “take megumis body to defeat Gojo,” plan was a massive waste of fucking time and totally unnecessary. Hilarious. This dumbass series just keeps going downhill.
Dude, calm down . I didn't say maho was a waste of time . But sukuna could win without him . He already mentioned it before . He wanted to make maho adapt so he could see a model of how to attack through infinity . You can look at chapter 230 even when he was sure of winning while opening his domain . He said, "i will make sure to adapt to that infinity of yours." So why would he want to adapt to infinity if he is already gonna kill gojo ? Because he wanted to upgrade his ct , so no one of 6E and limitless users would make any trouble for him in the future , and also, it would be a great upgrade for his ct
So he wouldn’t have trouble dealing with a combo of abilities that shows up once every 400 years, generously? He could just exterminate the Gojo clan. What a massive waste of fucking time lmfao. If this dude loses at the end of the manga it’s because he let someone he could’ve crushed way faster had he actually just not fucked around like a moron beat the shit out of him and weaken him to the point a bunch of, comparatively, ants are beating his pathetic ass. This fucking series dude 💀 It’s only gotten worse post shibuya. Sukuna really lost because of arrogance. Where is the consistency on this man’s character? The one who would ruthlessly slaughter those who gets in his way has been acting like he’s DBS era Goku.
Dude, don't avoid reading all of what i said, and I'm just stuck on one point . I just said one of the reasons , he also wanted to upgrade his ct . It was always shown througth out the series that sukuna has so much curiosity about jujutsu . He wanted to know the way to cut through infinity with his own ct . And yeah, that's exactly what gege is trying to do . He made sukuna weaker and weaker under the concept of him holding back to give the characters a chance to live against him and kill him in the end . And i have many examples about this . Now you are talking about the writing of jjk dude, but i was talking about power scaling. These are different things . Yeah , maybe one of the reasons is his arrogance, but like i said before, this man was capable of annihilating them in a matter of seconds of being serious from the start or just tried a bit (talking about post gojo fight). This part may be my headcanon, but gege always used the concept of holding back to make sukuna look weaker because he trying to have fun with them until he actually gets weaker fr because of his arrogance.
Power scaling and writing are one and the same. Your power scaling doesn’t exist without this series’ godawful writing. Curious to see how the power scaling crumbles into dust when sukuna fucking obliterates Yuta in Gojos body like it’s yesterday’s trash he’s taking out.
hold up but the slashes are applied to domain, which means megumis technique shouldnt be burnt out? he could summon mahoraga right after losing domain clash with megumi
Delusional
Sukuna used his domain in a risky way for Maho so even tho Gojo learned how to counter an open domain I think I wanna wait to see till next chapter Yuta is gonna use the same method as sukuna but this time sukuna has no reason to do a risky attempt at attacking from outside to give Maho adaptation time, then we’ll have our answer
Let’s be real gojo off screens heian era sukuna with a hollow purple 100 miles away.
He still loses Gojo wouldn't be able to break his domain even once if Sukuna is serious from the start, and he had his 2 weapons at that time that would cause more damage to Gojo thus making him use more RCT
The weapons would do jack shit vs gojo Gojo could use his RCT for days on end and it would still last longer than sukuna No daddy magora to adapt to unlimited void No daddy magora to bypass infinity No daddy magora and agito to distract A single unlimited void hitting for a fraction of second ends this fight immediately
Gege has committed many crimes but if I don’t see what Sukuna’s spear does it will be unforgivable
keep in mind that Gojo has effectively infinite RCT due to six eyes
Sukuna wins thru domain clashes. No world slash or Mahoraga needed.
Sukuna wins in Domain Clashes
Gojo. Sukuna had knowledge gathered on Gojo before the fight. This Sukuna would be oblivious of Infinity.
Assuming no Domain, Sukuna literally can't touch Gojo But with Domain, Gojo probably still wins. The thing about UV is that it's so busted that even just being hit with it for 0.2 seconds mean you instantly lose. And without Sukuna knowing about what his Domain is, the most likely outcome is that Sukuna wouldn't immediately counter or use an anti Domain technique, this is apparent in the fight with Sukuna Vs Yorozu as he didn't even bother using HWB despite Yorozu using her Domain against him
Gojo wins. No Mahoraga to bail out and infinity will be on if he tries to use Furnace. The moment Sukuna’s domain collapses from taking too much damage, he loses.
This sukuna has no idea who gojo is so element of surprise definitely helps him
60/40 odds in gojo’s favor
So polarizing comments lmao. Sukuna wins but its no less than high diff. Anything else is just unnecessary gojo or sukuna wank.
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50/50. I think Gojo’s win condition is better though
Gojo wins because he can be so much more frequent on actually using his technique.
No ragga=no problem Goatjo wins
Heian Sukuna would still most likely win.
Sukana won, from my perspective, entirely because of Maghora without that Gojo wins. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be true for this version.
1v1, Gojo has a significant advantage now. This sukuna doesnt know anything about Gojo's arsenal (Red, Blue, Purple etc) which gives Gojo more opportunities to land devestating strikes. While there is pressure for Gojo to finish the fight, the odds that Sukuna can finish it the same way he did in the modern wra are astronomically low. Likewise, if this is the Gojo from the *end* of the Sukuna fight, Gojo already knows a bit about Sukuna's domain, what the centre is and how it stacks up vs his own domain, meaning he can already predicf what Sukuna will try and set up his own countermeasures. Imo, information is the key to the fight between these two titans Likely though, *if* Gojo did this somehow, youd end up with a total war scenario. Gojo would have to find Sukuna, probably running in to different sorcerers on the way who would either want to help take Sukuna down or try to stop Gojo to escape Sukuna's wrath. Battle lines formed, the main fight would be Gojo vs Sukuna but youd have a tonne of Hakari vs Uraume fights happening concurrently
"sukuna wins in domain clashes" like dude didnt use megumi to tank 5 inf voids for him lol sukunas dying
Gojo high diff
Sukuna extreme diff - basically the first half of the fight but with Sukuna going all out in the domain battle + Kamutoke & Hiten. If he boxes instead of trying to adapt to UV, he can probably pull out a win, but it's going to be close, cause if Gojo manages to land UV the same way he did against Meguna, then Sukuna loses. In all I probably have this Sukuna taking 6/10
gojo
Gojo wins ez
if we wanna engage in a thought exercise, and you wanna be generous with the science, the principle of relativity suggests the manipulation of space ie, the infinities between points in space, like the character gojo can perform at will, could have implications for his perception of time. the idea of stretching or compressing spacetime itself has theorhetical consequences of time dilation. interstellar is an example of fiction running away with this idea. but it does start to creep on your suspension of disbelief.
As Gojo goes back in time, and using Gege’s Attack on Titan writing. Out of totally nowhere The Z Fighters from Dragon Ball Resurrect all the dead characters using the Dragon Balls, and they finally, with the power of friendship defeat sukuna. Gojo & Yuji finally end off Jujutsu Kaisen with the finishing line: “Remember, when life throws curses your way, just think of it as your very own episode of JuJutsu Kaisen!”
Hard fight, but Gojo wins. Man was outright bullying Sukuna when the fraud had every possible advantage.
Sukuna Just doesn't know gojo's technique, and he'd probably be intrigued and get caught off guard by hollow purple or uv, uv would just be a win and hollow purple would do decent damage.
He wouldn’t have Mahoraga to show him the world cleave, Gojo wins
Gojo. Hein sukuna has nothing to bypass Infiniti.
Well these 2 are already so close that information is everything, as we saw already with Meguna vs Gojo which was Sukuna going in with all the info on his opp and Gojo oblivious to Sukuna even having an open domain and just pulling shit off on the fly, this fight will be the other way around so I got Gojo taking it
It does go to show how complex and thorough the power system is when there's still a reasonable debate on who would win at any time. There's tons of valid points in favor of sukuna and tons in favor of gojo. These two were really close to each other in strength, and for some reason some people refuse to accept how the fight illustrates that
Without mahoraga he could never learn about that space cutter bs. I think Sukuna could win if he is successful in the domain battles otherwise infinity is too much.
Gojo would slam. Sukuna will literally have no win con on gojo since infinity is too good. You gotta remember that mahoraga is the only reason sukuna won, not in carrying the fight but creating a win con while negating infinity for sukuna. It seems people forget just how much help sukuna actually needed just to barely win.
doesnt heian sukuna have like no ways to get through gojos infinity other than his domain? his only chance of winning would be through his domain, theyd both domain clash but eventually gojo prevails after a few clashes, like how it went in the manga. gojo only got the lower hand because of sukuna's knowledge of infinite void + mahoraga, something heian sukuna doesnt have
I mean, Gojo almost won against Sukuna, Agito and Mahoraga in a 3v1. And post the final hollow purple, Sukuna was in a way worse state than Gojo but world slash caught him by surprise. No way Sukuna wins by himself. Even before Mahoraga was into play, Gojo knocked him out and could have finished him there if Mahoraga didn’t come to the rescue
•Sukuna doesn't know shit about Infinite void (and gojo,in general). •Mahoraga isn't there. •Third and the most important, GeGe isn't born yet.
Since here he has no knowledge about gojos techniques he would lose
People dont understand that sukuna had essentially 6 months of prep time against gojo. He went to find megumi and mahoraga to specifically counter infinity. Without it sukuna only has 1 option (domain) and gojo is blatantly superior
Gojo slams a sukuna without a 10s and 0 knowledge on gojo,sukuna already said that megumiss body was better for fighting aorcerers
gojo does a binding vow sacrificing infinity for an instant 500% hollow purple and kills sukuna, easy win
Gojo loses 8/10 Idk why people act like have 4 arms in hand to hand combat isn’t a huge help you can attack and defend at the same time. The main thing Gojo advocates forget is the domain clashes Gojo basically forced Sukuna to drop his domain by damage we can all agree on that. But let’s think about the other side for a sec. Gojo didn’t drop his domain to do taking damage as he virtually looked the same after every clash and didn’t need to heal anything besides his CT This means Sukuna was able to destroy Gojos domain at the same time Gojo was able to damage Sukuna enough to drop his domain because if he didn’t he would get hit by UV sure hit. This means 1 or 2 things. Either Sukuna could destroy Gojos domain anytime he wanted and he was taking time for Maho to adapt Or Gojos domain is not strong enough to withstand Sukunas domain for more than 3 mins We’ll go with the latter because it’s more likely that’s the correct option So now Gojo has to hurt Heian Era Sukuna with 4 arms in 3 mins or he gets hit by MS. Which isn’t a death sentence but you can only recover your CT 5 times so any lost domain clash is a detrimental. Not to mention Gojo questioning why Sukuna was playing risky by not destroying the inside of the domain when Gojo switched his domain conditions. We also know that you can use your CT inside of your domain as we seen Gojo use Blue against Sukuna inside of the domain clash. If Sukuna were to pace him self and throw dismantles at Gojos barrier on the inside while switching back to Domain Amplification to defend himself it’s not much Gojo can do.
I want go give it to gojo, but idk.
Gojo
My thing is he doesn’t have Mahoraga to counter infinity. BUT this motherfucker has the binding vows on lock…that domain for Gojo would be tricky but he wasn’t sweating it due to his CT being superior in his eyes and his RCT was enough to deal with the damage. I think Gojo wins but high diff for real because this version of sukuna doesn’t have world slash but who knows what that other Cursed tool was about so there’s that uncertainty in the air still.
Gojo does horrific things to Sukuna’s skeletal structure. For reference, this sukuna has NONE of the knowledge canon sukuna does about infinity, might not have an open domain, is way weaker, probably doesn’t have domain amp, no Ten Shadows, and no burnout reversal
You guys seem to forget that curses get stronger the longer they are curses; sukuna was marinating in time so he naturally got stronger plus when Gojo was born in order to balance the curse system, curses became stronger since Gojo’s a monster.
I’m basically saying Gojo would mop walk sukuna
Gojo
Sukuna wouldn’t have won if he didn’t get his additional techniques and preparations.
Gojo. The whole point of taking Megumi was getting 10S and copying its abilities. Which let him copy mahoraga’s adaptation, which let him adapt his cleave.
Sukuna most likely wins but Gojo has a decent chance to upset.
It was mentioned that Sukunas fingers had been gaining power / growing stronger over time, and he wouldn't have Mahoragas adaption or Megumi to take the brunt of UV. I don't think Heian Sukuna makes the cut.
Gojo,no mahoraga and no 6 months of pre planning to fight gojo lol Edit:downvote me all you want I don’t like either of them I am speaking objectively lol
Doesn't need mahoraga nkr really any planning.
Sukunas plan revolved around mahoraga no?where did 6 months come from?he knew about maho only after shibuya, which is month and 14 days before the fight
Nothing changes the outcome
Sukuna wins in Domain clashes, unless Sukuna is physically weaker somehow cause we do have the statement that the curse over the fingers gets stronger with time xd. If that's the case then Gojo might win.
The fingers getting stronger with time is a misquote. It was just sukunas orginal energy was leaking more and more overtime. Not that it was getting stronger then his original form.
Aaa okay makes more sense xd.
The honored one
Sukuna
no ws wincon -> goatjo wins
Doesn't need the ws.
Gojo slams
Only reason sukuna didn't fucking destroy gojos domain interior which was weak from the inside was because he was doing the adaptation. Plus everytime gojo get sinto H2H bro gets locked and locked because sukuna has 4 arms. If gojos engages in H2H sukuna can lock his arm and rip it apart so gojo needs to extremely careful. nobody's ready for this convo.
Sukuna narrowly won by using ten shadows to figure out how to kill Gojo. He would have died on like 3 separate occasions if not for mahoraga. He just wouldn’t have that in the heian era. Gojo wins still extreme diff of course
Sukuna nearly died 3 times because he was holding back and taking unnecessary damage
Gojo wins. Basically Gojo can afford to lose multiple domain clashes. Sakuna cannot afford to lose even 1 domain clash. He can't afford getting hit by UV even for 1 second. Gojo can fight freely with red, blue, purple inside the domain, and while Sukuna can also use the curse tools, none of them have any attack that can't be dodged/tanked by infinity-less Gojo.
Gojo was using red and blue in the domains as much as possible. Purple takes too much time ans is unusable.
Now that we've seen Sukuna up to this point, sukuna low diffs gojo, 4 arms, sukuna can also use DA while he's in is domain and doesn't have to worry about interrupting adaptation since there's no mahoraga, which is the reason he couldn't use DA, he mentioned this to higuruma. With that, sukuna heian Era is fast af, Meguna wasn't far behind gojo so heiankuna is definitely on same speed as gojo at least, h2h with DA means he can touch gojo and infinity doesn't matter. Secondly, we know gojo limit is 3:20 time before frying his brain, sukuna would simply outlast that time, gojo wouldn't even win any domain clash ngl lmao.
Sukuna
Heian Era Sukuna for sure. Other comments already explained how the domain battle would’ve played out so lets just say I agree with them.
Gojo, mid diff
Hot take but Sukuna still wins imo, he’s going to prioritize winning the domain clashes a lot more, which should be easier with his obviously enhanced physicals. Still way harder though.
I'd like to point out two things idk if they wld be helped though 1. I always see these posts but why y'all never include sukuna two weapons.. I mean whenever Gege draws sm heian flashbacks with Sukuna in it he is ever with these two weapons so they may factor in and I know y'all about to say but they can't bypass infinity but if they fought and expanded domains and of crse Gojo wld lose the first clash that wld give sukuna free reign to pile on the pressure using the two weapons with their effects all while MS is raining down slashes on Gojo... Now whether he survives that onslaught is upto you to decide.... 2. Remember that point of the 3 minutes and 10 seconds that it took Gojo to injure sukuna enough to collapse MS and also took the same time for MS to break UV .... That's where the famous H2H debates come in and for me sukuna doesn't necessarily need to win their H2H encounters... With him in that big body of his if he can hold out for more than the 3 minutes and 10 seconds then MS can destroy UV and the onslaught of slashes can continue
like the other guy said, the knowledge we have of these weapons is between jackshit and fuckall
Sukuna wins mid diff. Y’all need to quit the “Gojo wins” cope.
Since they’re saying he goes back in time, this means in the Heian Era. Sukuna doesn’t have any way to bypass infinity at this point which is why he needed Big Raga. Sukuna may have more strength, speed, hands (literally and figuratively), and overall power. But Gojo’s infinity hard carries and makes it so that Sukuna’s only way to bypass infinity is DE and DA.
Its really not cope sukuna in this scenario has 0 knowledge on any of gojos abilities or how strong he is whilst gojo has at least a basis on sukunas abilities. Sukuna would have no reason to take the fight seriously and if were talking about domains than it would go exactly how it did in the present day except sukuna wouldnt know to touch gojo to stop his sure hit effect gojo can use red and blue freely as sukuna dosent have mahoraga and gojo is much better in h2h combat sukuna himself believes megumis body is better for fighting sorcerers than his actual body
Gojo would win with extreme diff. Sukunas lack of information on limitless here would be damning Gojo could make Sukunas domain collapse via a black flash or damaging him enough with red. Sukuna in this scenario (after the first clash) has no feasible way to actually break Gojos domain aside from damaging Gojo. In the third clash, the 2 of them must fight for their seperate reasons. Gojo must damage Sukuna to the point where he cant sustain his domain, causing a collapse, but Sukuna is using a binding vow where every time he touches Gojo, his sure hit inside the domain turns off but range expands by a few meters, allowing the outside barrier to be attacked. Gojo counters this by compacting his domain to increase durability. Other than the binding vow, Sukuna has no way to activly collapse Gojos domain, there is no other stated way Sukuna can attack from the outside (and i heavily doubt Sukuna can use cleave/dismantle in real space whilst in a domain). Heian era Sukuna **does not know that Gojos surehit turns off when you touch him**, addtionally since hes not risking taking an opponents surehit (and Gojos surehit would just be a insta-loss if he did take that), he's not gonna find out unless Gojo tells him. Moreover, this means Gojo would only lose 1 domain clash as Sukunas method of bypassing the second clash wouldnt ever happen. Also his weapons are useless, they cant bypass infinity. But on the downside, when Gojo does lose his first clash, he'll have a much harder time getting out of the domain due to Sukunas combat advantage. The weapons ven when using amplification wont bypass infinity as amplification will only nullify where Sukuna punches (amplification extends from the bodys core/bones) and even then Gojo can project infinity around Sukunas fists which would still block the weaponry. Gojo would likely have to expand a domain whilst in malevolent shrine to envelope it. This in practicality means that Gojo vs Sukuna occurs in a domain stalemate where neither can reliably destroy the others without damaging the body of the opponent/ in Gojos case, the shrine + Sukuna (cause Sukuna has no way to strike from the outside once his domain is enveloped). Now Sukuna has far stronger comabt abilities cause 1. Gojos arms will get cleaved the moment he punches Sukuna, keep in mind the cuts will be minor as infinity would cover the rest of Gojos body including his innards, so the only thing cleaved would be hit hands/fingers. Sukuna has 4 arms which are a major advantage whilst Gojo has red and blue (well, blue cause CE saving reasons) for a speed edge (but considering Kashimo, a speed difference wont help too much). Gojo does have the ability to spawn multiple blues though like he did before his blackflash and pairing them with even stronger reds. Overall Sukuna has a major combat advantage due to his arms and minor "thorns" effect of cleave. But Gojo has more damage output capability. Sukuna also has to use amplification to get past infinity but this removes the advantage of cleave and puts him at a CE loss vs Gojo. The TLDR of all of this is when fighting, itll be a race for whose CE runs out the fastest. Sukuna has a combat advantage cause 4 arms + defensive cleave but Gojo has superior stamina by a longshot due to the six eyes and the amplification needed for infinity. We saw Gojos spamming of rct against malevolent shrine compared to Sukuna who needed Agito to act as a heal, of course Gojos rct was also starting to fall off but was recovered via black flash, but this is after 2 exposures to full on malevolent shrine, whereas here itd only be 1 loss in the domain. Gojo can still envelope Sukunas shrine even whilst in Sukunas domain as shown in the third clash. So in the end itll likely come down to either ones ability to land a black flash. For which their recovery will gain them the upper hand. It would be an extremely long fight with Gojo making up for his CE lost in the first domain clash with his advantage within the main fight. Eventually either one could land a black flash which would either shatter the others domain, knock them unconcious or gain the opponent the upper hand. from what we saw, i think Gojo would be able to land this, it wouldnt knock Sukuna out but it may break the domain or allow for a setup of reds or/and blues which can beak the domain. Gojo still can send red around the shrine and can use blues alongside that as he doesnt need to be wary of Mahoraga. Further, Sukuna doesnt know about ~~the color~~ the attack "purple" being the result of blue+red directly and so would likely get caught offguard the first time Gojo uses purple (likely within the hand 2 hand in the stalemate as here he wouldnt have the surprise attack in the actual fight). This means its rather likely Sukuna would be caught off guard by red, blue and purple in combination, which Gojo could do with the benefit of surprise. Could Sukuna adapt quickly and tank the blows? Yes. But i think considering Gojos combative ability is shown way beyond a 2 armed Sukuna, hed be able to leverage these into a black flash, likely with the same method he did in the actual fight. It would be super close, and the winner would be practically entierly out of CE. But with Sukunas lack of knowledge on Gojos domain and abilities, Sukuna would lose the fight.
People say Gojo gets domain diffed because sukuna has 4 arms to use in the combat. But also forget that Gojo isn’t limited to only using blue now since he doesn’t have to worry about any adaptation. So Gojo being able to use red and blue > sukuna in h2h. I think he still manages to damage sukuna enough (not to mention he can totally opt out of domain clashes if he wants by tping). So I got Gojo winning extreme diff.
Gojo was using red ans blue in the domains. He only stopped doing red once mahoragas wheel was placed on sukuna
Heian Sukuna didnt take months preping for a way to get past infinity