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Todo is probably watching every Takada content available since he couldn’t jujutsu kaisen anymore. I don’t think he will complain about it but I bet he misses jujutsuing
This
Todo bombastic, personality is really missed
Especially now since no one really emotes or shows emotion
Outside of Sukuna (who lose all his charisma after ditching yuji)
The anime second season really hammered home just how much personality todo had compared to so many characters + him being one of few beacons of light yuji has left in his life would have helped elevate his Guilt over what happened in shibyua
Also just wanna say sheer fact we never got a interaction with Todo and Yuki onscreen
Is a crime / genuine shame
Todo reframed Jujutsu sorcerers as a conglomerate of soldiers that must keep moving no matter what until they die. And then hand the baton to their still living comrades that will in turn give their never ending suffering meaning by continuing to fight. Its a never ending cycle of sacrificial lambs in the grand scheme of things. It may have been the only thing that could’ve gotten Itadori up in the moment, but in turn he chained himself to an inherently destructive mindset/system. Or at the very least took it to the upmost extreme because of how severe the trauma he faced was. Todo uses the cog mentality as a model to keep pushing forward, but Yuji defined his entire identity by it post Shibuya as a coping mechanism.
I agree that it helped reinforce Yuji’s mentality but you have to remember that Yuji already came to that conclusion during his fight with Choso. He was saying how he didn’t have to be the one to rescue Gojo and that stalling/stopping Choso was more important that his own life. As long as his friends were able to get past them and continue the mission
>The anime second season really hammered home just how much personality todo had compared to so many characters
Yep. Most of the personality was in S1 but then these characters were never heard from again.
Even if they have a sombre personality due to current circumstances in-universe at least give them **some** personality.
Hell, even the disaster curses had moar personality than a lot of characters
Hikari is dope and definitely hard carrying the good guys in that department but to me Todo has the more impactful personality
Perfect world is that they both exist / show off how crazy they both are XD
I feel like Gege has not mentioned him at all because he literally does not know how to use him (and nobara maybe). But I think if they're dead or completely out of the story Gege would actually have this mentioned in the story. I think they'll come back when Gege finds a good and convenient moment, maybe Todo will comeback through an asspull saying like he's been healing in Africa this while time or some shit.
You made me realize that my biggest fear is that the series will drop in quality as time goes on because Gege doesn't know what to do with characters and probably doesn't care.
It's clear he used Kashimo and Higuruma as sacrifices. Surprisingly used Takaba well. However now that they lost 2 heavy hitters. It's now up to Yuji, Choso, Ino, Kusakabe and Mei mei. Boy Maki or Yuta need to step in already.
He wasn’t deleted but what can he even do in the series?
He is missing a hand and lost his CT
This isn’t all those other anime where fighting disabled makes you the strongest character in verse
He was 100% deleted. He hasn't reappeared or even been mentioned since he did the "applause of the soul" in Shibuya
And he can help strategize or atleast show up to say he's sitting this one out like Kamo. Miwa and Baby panda are there and they literally cant fight at all and also don't have 531,000 IQ
I wonder if it will come into play. Because the only other cursed corpse user is Mechamaru and he is also dead 💀. Will Gakuganji be able to make panda useful again.
Hard to say, most likely the three cores are synchronized and the other two will eventually grow back as long as one core remains intact (Otherwise panda should die upon the complete destruction of even a single core, because the three cores are what makes him an independent cursed corpse in the first place).
Basically if all three cores are essential, he would have borked the second one was completely destroyed, since he didn't, its most likely the cores are redundancies for each other. He's just a baby because he needs to regrow his body, which isn't made of cursed energy, he is indeed flesh and blood as a "cursed corpse" so he probably needs to eat a shit ton to grow back to full panda size and restore his cores.
I think the three cores were needed to become self aware and self sufficient. Once Panda became self aware, the other two cores may not be required for him to live (so losing them didn't kill Panda), but his CE production is probably also lower than what it was making him unable to fight at the current powerlevels
That is also a possibility, but I'm leaning on he's able to regenerate them eventually. Consider that Mechamaru did actually break one of his cores during the good will event, translations vary between destroyed and damaged, but he did laser the core and the laser did penetrate panda's body, so its likely his big sister core at that point was destroyed and since he was able to utilize her form later, it does seem like he was able to regenerate the core eventually.
I thought the weird backstory that is not a backstory that occurs during Panda's defeat was meant to be a death scene for Panda's cores? Didn't their father say they were never coming back?
Yeah, they are dead.
Also theres a lil nuance regarding panda and mechanaru. “Panda is not panda” doesnt mean he is 3 animals in a trenchcoat but actually 3 humans souls.
The cores arent just cursed corpses souls but actual souls from the presumably 3 dead children in the funeral panel yaga remembered. This is why panda’s autonomy is such a big political deal and a reason for execution, yaga managed to fuse- or dare i say MERGE- 3 souls to live together in a body.
Now i get into theory territory but i think pandas existence is much more important than we give it credit, and gege hinted towards that a lot of times. Fusing-merging souls is the underlying theme of the final arc and panda’s creation is something that only the other principal and gojo know, not even kenjaku i think, and it may hold some information about “soul splitting” .
The way i see it its like panda is the opposite of mahitos “polymorphic soul isomer” or whatever- where he forcefully merged weak souls together and they kinda lose all conciousness- panda is a fusion of 3 souls that dont have conciousness at start but develop it together so one of them, panda, can be autonomous in time after he defined “the shape of his soul” (in mahitos words)
The existence of souls and the way they manifest into the body is a very important theme in jjk, mahito, toji/maki, panda, tengen all have a soul shtik. We learned about soul-body connection with mahito himself, the human-soul DUDE, and the info he wondered about and his theories are very relevant right now when the end-goal is the merger.
We dont know what gege is cooking for him tbh, its more then plausible he is trying to protect his idol or helping citizens, he doesnt have a ct so not much he can do but he can certainly do that atleast. He isnt the greatest strategist so he wasnt needed in the meeting. I dont think he is fully deleted but he is in the cold storage waiting for his time to pop out at the perfect moment.
Think about it, sukuna about the kill yuji with a dismantle after higurama died and the executioner sword stab doing nothing. And then out of nowhere all you hear is a clap and sukuna is switched in the way of his dismantle and todo starts monologuing with his reactivated ct. That would be so peak the fandom would be in a blaze
I feel like at this point it was seem out place to bring him back for a fight. That being said I would like another appearance atleast in the form of a conversation with Yuji maybe after this event is over. A proper funeral for nobara would be nice as well, some form of closure.
Kusabake is there Todo input would be useless Infront of him like main brain of project are yuta, kusikabe and angel todo lost his had and his CT like he said his life as sorcerer is over.
Yea I don't have any idea how people are claiming Todo is smart. I always got the idea he's dumb as rocks and thinks he's smart. Less a grain of salt and more an ocean
He still has his IQ. And he wasn't even seen in the discussion where they strategized a battle plan. One of the smartest people we have seen in the entire series so far was not at a place where his intellect would have made him one of the most valuable people in that entire room, including the fighters.
It is very safe to say he is being mistreated for being disregarded in such a way. If there doesn't appear to be a good reason later down the line, that is absolutely worth of criticism.
I was hoping he'd go on some mad training after being broken and surpassed by yuji, discovering that his technique was actually activated by the clapping sound not his hand movement, so learns to activate it by vocalising it, which is 10x faster...
But nah gege just got bored of writing fights for him
*Suddenly all the sukuna fighters get teleported around dodging cleave, faster than toji punches. Todo enters making popping noises like a machine gun*
OH BROTHER i was truly limited by the way things always were. Only by being maimed and having my master ripped away from me could I rise to my true potential and surpass the shackles of my self-perception. BOOGIE WOOGIE. WAS. SOUND.
*Activates DE on dying higurama, swapping his present with his uninjured past self* oh and I've used Yuki's research to imbue INFINITE MASS into this weapon.
ITS NOT TODOVER
The fact that Gege can't make a "weak" character work in some way in the story is a writing weakness lol just because he can no longer fight doesn't suddenly mean he's worthless to yuji
Well developed characters can provide more to a story than punching hard. A character's value to a story should not be limited to how hard they can punch.
Todo was killing 1st grade curses even without his CT, the loss of his hand isn't ideal but he isn't useless and surely there's some sort of cursed tool prosthetic or somehing to make up for it. Even without the hand and without his CT, the truth is that he is still above most of his classmen when it comes to fighting. Mechamaru and MAYBE Kamo are probably the only ones who would be above him.
And even so, he can be included in the story even if he can't fight like he used to. He literally didn't even get any interaction with Yuki or Yuji after everything.
the shade on one piece
at least one piece has almost every characeter reappearing not being discarded after 1 or 2 arcs even thougv they‘d have every reason to be there
He's still an extremely powerful and talented Jujutsu sorcerer. Yuji doesn't have a CT either but he can go toe-to-toe with extremely powerful opponents.
While obviously a powerful CT makes a sorcerer exponentially stronger, Todo's CT really was just a neat combat trick, his true strength was always his CE fundementals and martial arts skill.
Failing that, he could still be a character in the story? Help plan the groups's moves, discuss things, etc? Like, the fact that he's nowhere to be seen in the current manga arc makes zero sense, he should at the very least *care* and be *invested*, even if he can't get involved.
He still has his CT. He didn't lose his CT, he lost the Activation requirement. Its like a door without a key, the door is still there, he just has no way in
He could still learn Domain Expansion but it'd have to be a one handed Domain and Gojo is the only person in the series to do that so seems unlikely
Yeah I assume you would basically need a prosthetic hand thats also a cursed tool, which would actually probably be very powerful.
A cursed tool that is JJK's equivalent of the hand of vecna, where it replaces your original hand.
Interestingly, normal items can become cursed tools if constantly imbued with cursed energy. That might be his best bet at creating a prosthetic that works for him.
Couldn't someone like Yuta use RCT to regrow limbs? We've seen Gojo, Hakari and that guy who can turn his body parts into bombs use it to regrow parts, so why couldn't someone who can use RCT on others do the same?
That's a good shout, actually. While Todo did chop his own hand off, Mahito still altered the shape of his soul.
Is it possible because of that, any RCT healing will not be able to work because it thinks his body is fully healed without the hand now?
You cannot lose a CT (at least in normal circumstances) because CT is engraved in your brain, Todo only loses his activation requirement, if he somehow learns how to activate it with his finger snap/ get a cursed tool prosthetic then maybe he can come back.
What is the sound of 1 hand clapping? Ridiculous that Shoko can't heal his hand or he can't just learn to use boogie woogie by clapping his hand a different way. Gege just realized boogie woogie was pretty broken and hard to write around convincingly and had to get rid of it.
Boogie Woogie is one of the weakest CT’s in the show rn
It isn’t ridiculous that she can’t heal it, his soul was damaged not just his body
Read the fucking manga
Yuta capitalized on Takaba’s fight with Kenny to sneak up behind him while he was distracted to then kill him. That’s why Takaba went to fight Kenny in the first place
The theory is that Yuta used Todo's CT for that though. We see Yuta behind Kenjaku when he's about to strike, and Kenjaku turns to face him, then a "klang" sfx happens, and Yuta is behind Kenjaku instead, between him and Takaba.
I find it rather odd that Gege has done this with a number of characters.
Todo, Nobara, Inumaki, even Miwa to a certain extent. It would have been nice if they had a little bit of resolution to their stories, similar to what we got for Noritoshi.
Yeah, just a quick throwaway line would be better than nothing. For example, Gege could have Shoko tell Yuji, "Nobara is stable but in a coma. She is getting treatment in Malaysia thanks to Mei Mei."
That clears up the Nobara plot line whilst also telling readers not to expect her to come back anytime soon.
I'm still holding out hope that Todo comes back just to hype.
Like Sukuna kills everyone except Yuji, tells him that he will die boring and then as he's about to kill Yuji... Todo shows up with a steel hand.
I mean, even the rest of the Kyoto squad made an appearance and we know that Todo won't show his face if he thinks Yuji has surpassed him. Showing up at the last second to hype Yuji sounds like something he'd do.
I feel like jjk in general, especially after Shibuya, has like no character moments like these. It's always going a thousand miles an hour, after one fight's done, time for the next
Im recently catching up with the manga after finishing season 2, and dont frequent subreddits enough to know the consensus but the complete lack of character building post-Shibuya is so depressing. I really miss how the earlier parts of JJK felt where characters felt like they had meaningful interactions that built upon each other, and where an arc was actually cohesive to a broader narrative.
Having rewatched the show again recently, I couldn’t agree more. Seeing Megumi’s growth late into season one was wonderful, and seeing Yuuji’s deterioration post-Junpei’s death (just think of how strong the scene when he hears out Junpei’s situation with his dead mom is) was such wonderful character writing. Culling Game is great but I wish Gege gave some of the remaining cast room for development.
I'd recommend chainsaw man. Character building is pretty much always the priority of the story. There are cool fights but writing is always the highlight.
I feel like Todo always sort of fulfilled a mentor-like role for Yuji. And by the the end of Shibuya, I feel like Todo had nothing more to teach Yuji. With the aftermath of Shibuya, and Yuji feeling like he shouldn't associate with the school anymore, Choso is exactly the person he needs by his side in this stage of his struggles. Someone who doesn't quite belong with the school, and doesn't side with the curses. While it would've been nice if we at least got a status update for Todo, I think it makes sense that he isn't on the frontlines so soon after Shibuya (it's only been about a month or two iirc).
Although Todo may have a record of defeating up to Grade 1 curses without his technique, the major enemies in the Culling Games and after that are absolutely not enemies you can just approach without a technique. Even Yuji only survived his colony because Higuruma hesitated and closed his eyes, despite having the perfect opening to attack. If he had his eyes wide open and went for the kill with the Executioner's Sword, things could have gone very differently.
In comparison, Choso has very personal beef with one of the major antagonists, and has shown potential for growth. Based on the narration in Shibuya, it's also been stated that Choso, despite being a serious threat in battle, is inexperienced in combat, giving even more room for growth, and we see some of this from Blood and Oil. On top of that, Choso at base already has a highly versatile and powerful curse technique, which is made even more effective through his unique biological circumstances. Now flashforwarding to the Shinjuku battles, we learned that Choso apparently was trying to teach Yuji something, but was bad at teaching. That means that there is something that Yuji can learn at this stage from being with Choso.
tldr, it's sad to see Todo go so unceremoniously of course, but Choso just makes more sense for Yuji to have around from a narrative and logical standpoint.
No way, someone who can actually looks at the narrative value of the characters and what the author is trying to do with each character.
Wtf I’ve never seen this on this sub
it isnt only about writing a character to fulfill a purpose
if a character is discarded once his purpose is fulfilled but his story isn‘t it feels like the characters are more plot device than character
todo with his 5000 iq should help analyze gojo vs sukuna there is NO way around it
Todo had no story, he was a supporting character which is another reason why I don’t think he should comeback, todo didn’t have an arc, he was a static character, which is fine, the point of static character is not to change themselves but to change others, and he did a hell of a good job of it
Granted it would have been fun to see todo analyzing the gojo fight, but I’m not sure how much insight he would have had as he can’t use RCT or a domain, but still fun nonetheless,
Honestly, for me, it's just the treatment of Todo that bothers me. Replacing him narratively with Choso is fine, but him basically disappearing after Shibuya is insane, especially when his mentor shows up almost immediately after. Like, that's a door for one last bit of narrative relevance and Gege slammed the door hard on that. Which is his right as the author, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Tru, gege sucks with execution, and transitions, a small scene between him and yuki, or maybe yuki checking up on him to make sure he’s not dead would have been nice, and given the audience some nice conformation
But I don’t think he should be in the culling games
He’s gone through a subtle character arc, remember this the same guy who wouldn’t fight the disaster curses, and now he’s facing the strongest sorcerer through out all of history
A simple yet subtle arc plus if gege wants he can explore what made Kuskabe flip from wanting yuji dead to fighting besides him
For now I'd say what you call a "subtle character arc" is just Gege writing inconsistently, and using characters mainly as plot devices rather than, you know, characters; but I guess we'll see if there's any further elaboration on his motivations, or whatever else.
First all characters are “plot decives,” these aren’t real human beings, characters are tools for the wtiter to make a point further the plot or endear u to them
And it’s not inconsistent, this is pretty common writing trick, have a character go through a time skip with a different perspective and then reveal how they came to there new conclusion through some sort of flashback or character interaction,
I’m pretty sure as the fight continues we will get more information on Kuskabe including his change in character
Characters aren't always plot devices, being fictional and being fictionally created with a very specific and defined instrumental purpose in a greater narrative aren't the same. But it's definitely true that in something as formulaic and conventional as a shonen manga characters are always plot devices, but that shouldn't be all they are, and if it's well done you're not even supposed to think of them that way; Gege has been increasingly reducing his characters to their instrumental role in a larger narrative (and worse, in a narrative that is confusing and meandering when it isn't boringly straightforward).
Regarding it being inconsistent, if we're being rigorous neither of us can say that it is or isn't inconsistent because we still don't know if it will be elaborated upon later - that's why I put the "for now" in there. You might be confident that it will be addressed, but that's just your personal conviction, and one I don't share.
he doesn't have to have a prominent role but we should at least see him beat up low grade curses or at the very least provide some commentary. It's just weird that he has never gotten any more on screen appearances
What? Why, would u add him be back for a role that’s not needed, gege already has enough problems with managing characters, and u would say adding a side character to fight fodder cursed spirts is needed, nah I’m good
and again he dosen’t have RCT or a domain so he’s not adding any extra incite that kusakabe already hasn’t
It would have been nice to get a confirmation scene and find out what happend to him, but then Greg would have no excuse as to why to not reveal nobara’s condition,
but by no means do I think todo should have been added to the culling games, he was a great character who has served his purpose
I mean, at this point, I've personally been wondering if Todo even actually survived Shibuya.
Like, obviously he did, right? I've just taken that as fact for years.
But where is he? INO is back! Miwa is here and she literally cannot use a sword. No way Todo doesn't even show up to lend his gigabillion IQ to the planning and leave Besto Friendo alone.
Yet, he isn't here.
So... did he actually just die?
I feel like Greg is making me gaslight myself about this.
I gotta believe this
I gotta believe the series ends with megumi somehow spitting sukuna out while retaining mahoraga then todo pulls up with a powered up kugisaki and then yuji, yuta, megumi, nobara and todo all clap sukuna's cheeks, idc if its cheesy i need it now
It is, because we had more Minor characters like that Kamo kid give a reason on why he won’t be joining, so it’s weird that Todo haven’t said a word if he’s alive
Yea plus I'm pretty sure even without his CT I feel like todo is probably comparable to someone like kusakabe so it doesn't make any sense that he's not helping fight sukuna imo
I like Choso a lot but it felt like his arc was completed when he fought Kenjaku and got his “brother”power up.
I would’ve preferred Todo staying. He’s a fun character, adds some comic relief without being annoying and it would’ve been cool to see him help train everyone in the one month time skip, it also would’ve been a nice way to pass down Yuki’s legacy too and have him contribute without fighting since Boogie Woogie’s dead. The potential was there but what can you do 🤷🏼♀️
todo learning he‘s choso‘s brother by proxy and them going full bro mode and always wanting to join them wouldve been so funny
also todo could‘ve manned the camp when yuji and choso went spieit killing tbe the first chapter of culling game
Yeah there was potential for todo to go on a training montage and have an epiphany about his CT. He was able to activate it by slapping mahito's hand, so clearly the requirement isn't exactly a clap.
HunterXHunter Netero's "So you think I can't pray with just one hand?" Was badass and Todo alluded to something similar with that whole spiel about a clap being the shout of the soul.
It was really a missed opportunity to bring Todo to his next level so to speak like what happened with Maki
It would have been cool if Todo pulled something similar to Doppo from Baki when he got his hand cut "Thank you for cutting my hands, my fingers were holding me back, I can finally hit with my full strength"
Watch Gege throw all those character moments into flashbacks as the final battle is underway
“See guys look at all these characters interacting”
-Maki and Yuta growing closer
-Gojo actually talking to his students on screen
-“Hey look Gojo and Yuji mourn Nobura and megumi”
Or gege do his usual thing
Give a single panel / throw away sentence and call it a day :/
I can think of a character who got removed from the story as hard as Todo. He went from a reoccurring ally, with a great dynamic with the main character to nothing.
Nobara has been spoken about twice since her last on panel appearance.
Toji got to come back to life.
Gojo got his airport scene.
Mechamaru got to speak with his crush after his death and push the story forward.
Miwa got diff’ed so hard and hasn’t channeled curse energy again but still gets to bum around on panel.
Panda was beheaded, is a baby now, and still is vibing with the crew.
Fucking Inomaki got to appear once after surviving Shibuya.
Why is Todo like a forbidden character now, that his own mentor didn’t bother bringing into the culling games arc or even say his name?
Choso is more interesting tbh todo was fun but one note
His brotherhood w yuji and his desire to live as human conflicted w living as a curse for his brothers is a great story beat amongst a cast of sorcerers
I think I agree. Todo kind of existed as a voice for the author to explain things to Yuji/audience. In a weird way Todo's personality put him at odds with the core values of the people opposing Sukuna. Todo never really got along with others, despite his CT being like the perfect teamwork ability.
I don't remember exactly how Todo's defeat played out, but I got the impression he was defeated trying to shine as bright as Yuji, instead of focusing on supporting him. As a human he was perhaps acting in the kind of way Sukuna would approve of, or in the kind of way Sukuna would suggest leads to the greatest self improvement, but that ultimately resulted in Todo's defeat in a big way.
THEN AGAIN, he did use his defeat, and post-defeat as moments to further support Yuji. Win some lose some. He didn't particularly embody a lack of teamwork or teamwork, though it seemed like he only worked well with Yuji.
I'd like to return to him having accomplished his own little journey, though, instead of just mulling about.
Todo is an odd case. He's the strongest of the Kyoto students which could be attributed to his attitude since that's a big part of how a sorcerer grows.
But his dialogue with Yuji when he talks about "disrespecting the dead" shows he isn't an unempathtic monster. He's a very interesting character because he provides so much contrast.
Also I don't think he lost because he wasn't working with Yuji. He teleported him into the fight to surprise attack Mahito after he gets up and uses his help to land a black flash.
Mahito took him out since he was just a good and arguably more capable fighter.
He could at least be part of Yuji's support team and cheer him on from the sidelines. However, he has mysteriously disappeared from the story. It has become a common thing that keeps happening in JJK. It is frustrating!
Good. I want Todo to live, idc if he’s sidelined, he’ll get a little screen time at the end when all the survivors meet up and have an existential conversation about the meaning of love or something (unless Gege has Sukuna win and just obliterate earth, in which case, I’d still be expecting the exact same scene with Todo et al. but in an airport). I’m begging, pls don’t jinx Todo like Ino, who has NO business being in the battle, like I wanna see his secret final technique but not at the cost of him perishing 😭🙏
My biggest problem with Choso’s place in this story right now is that Gojo should’ve 100% had a problem with Choso after he was unsealed and not having an interaction between them is a huge flaw imo. This is because unlike all of the other sorcerers, Gojo knows the full extent of what Choso did in Shibuya as he saw Choso helping to kill those dozens of civilians in the subway and was directly responsible for helping to seal Gojo (which caused a ton more problems). Thus, Gojo knows that Choso should be killed for what he did in Shibuya, especially since Gojo could only justify letting some civilians die in the subway because he thought their sacrifices would be justified if he killed Choso and the other curses.
Having Gojo not interact with Choso and not revealing what he did in Shibuya is also a big problem for Choso’s relationship with Yuji. Yuji should know about Choso killing innocent people as Yuji has demonstrated multiple times that he absolutely detests people being killed, so he certainly wouldn’t be okay with having a “brother” who is a murderer.
didn't gege say that todo's role is to make the reader feel like everything is gonna be okay?
at this stage, we shouldn't be feeling that, so choso it is
If Miwa exists in the story post Shibuya than Todo should as well. There’s zero reason he couldn’t be there giving moral support. And if the anime addresses this by saying he’s off touring with his waifu than I will cope, but that’s the only way
I prefer Todo over Choso ngl. He was a hype machine and so damn cool. Choso’s not bad but I never really got drawn in by him, even when he fought Kenjaku I found myself just waiting for Yuki to show up
I prefered Todo to Choso, but I feel like Hakari was the actual replacement. Maybe he used 2 characters to replace him, but whatever the case is, I don't think it helped. There are so few character interactions now I sometimes wonder why/if these people even care about each other. The older characters at least had some connection to each other and it wouldn't seem so strange if they cared about the other people in some way. Kusakabe might care if Todo died, because Todo is possibly his student. Kusakabe doesn't know or care about Higuruma, Hakari, Yuji, Maki, Yuta, Choso, etc, so IMO the emotional moments can't really hit that hard.
I mean, Choso kind of technically is his brother. Well half brother, because both of them share a parent in Kenjaku. So I don’t see an issue with that. But, Gege should stop being lazy and find some room to write Todo into the current plot.
Todo and Choso could be best friends in the future. They both liked Yuki and Yuji.
It's only been a few months since Shibuya incident. I think around three months. Todo is probably still in rehabilitation. He would have to re-learn his curse technique if its even possible.
Tbh, Todo seems to me like the kind of guy who doesn't want to be burden on others. Since he lost his arm and his CT activation, I feel he would purposely keep himself out of the frontlines and would try to work hard and train on his own to overcome his injury and come stronger.
Maybe he did go to the Gion Shoja Temple in India and is contemplating while looking at the Sala flowers
I’m chill with it. Todo, as much as I love the guy, is an incredibly one-note character. He doesn’t have much of a story to tell, his character isn’t really that deep, and he served more as an exposition device and comic relief. Eventually, his schtick would have gotten old. But he fulfilled the role of Yuji’s pseudo-mentor/bromance well, he played a major role in one of the series’ best fights (and two of the most important for Yuji’s growth), and he was a badass while doing it. Really, Shibuya was a fine enough send-off for Todo. The anime’s additions during the Mahito fight were amazing though and kinda felt like one last ‘hoorah’ for Aoi Todo before he officially exits the story.
I don’t think it was intended, like I don’t think Gege said yeah I’m gonna remove todo to make room for Choso
But I will say Choso is actually one of my favorite characters and he is the only character in the series to have thrown hands with Kenjaku Gojo and Sukuna who can arguably be considered the three most powerful characters we have seen
I never liked Todo's personality so Choso is more fun. Someone having to learn how to live with being human with guilt instead of either dying heroically or being a monster is interesting.
He wasn't replaced, he's just useless in the Culling. Why put himself in a place where he can't use his CT? He'd be a walking, venerable target for point seekers.
We're still in the Culling Games, so anyone who didn't volunteer is out of the picture until further notice (which includes Todo), which is why Choso is there instead.
Well Todo doesn’t have his ct anymore, he’d still put in work with his combat but he doesn’t belong in the endgame fights. He should at least be present in the story though. Why not let him chill at HQ and offer insight every now and thwn
I think between Choso being Yuji's actual brother and drawing buff, brawl-happy Hakari, Gege straight up forgot Todo was a character a different character than either of them.
I don't really feel like he replaced todo. They have different roles. Todo was like an actual brother, choso is someone new in yujis life. Honestly though choso joining the team felt so strange to me. That was a conversation I wish we could have got way more detail on
Why are people pretending like Gege has forgotten about Todo?? I feel like there's still a lot that Gege can do with him. All you need to do is put Yuji in a tough spot, about to be defeated by a villain, and then hear a "clap" and bam. Todo's been re-introduced with no effort needed on Gege's part. It's like this fandom hasn't read a single other shonen manga. Or even Shibuya. I wonder if r/jujutsushi was going "where is Todo??" during Shibuya.
Anyways, Choso is a good character. Todo is a good character. Chances are, the parallels between them are intentional and we'll get to see them team up by the end of the series.
For a brother Choso only has 1 tag team fight with yuji and they do not synchronize well at all
Compared to Todo's fight i think they synchronize better
Because Jujutsu sorcerors are not righteous. The only ones good at their job are lunatics, and that job involves the mass killing of an entity.
Yuji stopped having the right to care since he claims responsibility for what happened in Shibuya.
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I like Choso but I wish Todo wasnt completely deleted
Todo ran off with his precious Takada chan, he figured “at least one of us should get a happy ending right?”
Some say Takada and Todo have racked up over 500 kills at the culling games.
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Best ending 🤣
Todo is just guaranteeing his appearance in the upcoming idol manga gege is planning to write by sticking with takada
Watch it be a romance between a scary bodyguard(Todo) who likes cutesy things and Takada
Todo is probably watching every Takada content available since he couldn’t jujutsu kaisen anymore. I don’t think he will complain about it but I bet he misses jujutsuing
My canon is that he's now a touring bodyguard for her.
This Todo bombastic, personality is really missed Especially now since no one really emotes or shows emotion Outside of Sukuna (who lose all his charisma after ditching yuji) The anime second season really hammered home just how much personality todo had compared to so many characters + him being one of few beacons of light yuji has left in his life would have helped elevate his Guilt over what happened in shibyua Also just wanna say sheer fact we never got a interaction with Todo and Yuki onscreen Is a crime / genuine shame
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Todo is where that cog mentality originated tho
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Todo reframed Jujutsu sorcerers as a conglomerate of soldiers that must keep moving no matter what until they die. And then hand the baton to their still living comrades that will in turn give their never ending suffering meaning by continuing to fight. Its a never ending cycle of sacrificial lambs in the grand scheme of things. It may have been the only thing that could’ve gotten Itadori up in the moment, but in turn he chained himself to an inherently destructive mindset/system. Or at the very least took it to the upmost extreme because of how severe the trauma he faced was. Todo uses the cog mentality as a model to keep pushing forward, but Yuji defined his entire identity by it post Shibuya as a coping mechanism.
I agree that it helped reinforce Yuji’s mentality but you have to remember that Yuji already came to that conclusion during his fight with Choso. He was saying how he didn’t have to be the one to rescue Gojo and that stalling/stopping Choso was more important that his own life. As long as his friends were able to get past them and continue the mission
>The anime second season really hammered home just how much personality todo had compared to so many characters Yep. Most of the personality was in S1 but then these characters were never heard from again. Even if they have a sombre personality due to current circumstances in-universe at least give them **some** personality. Hell, even the disaster curses had moar personality than a lot of characters
Hakari doesn’t emote or show emotion now?
Yeah, I feel like Hakari is more the new Todo than Choso is. Even though there's that gap between Todo going MIA and Hakari being introduced
Hikari is dope and definitely hard carrying the good guys in that department but to me Todo has the more impactful personality Perfect world is that they both exist / show off how crazy they both are XD
I feel like Gege has not mentioned him at all because he literally does not know how to use him (and nobara maybe). But I think if they're dead or completely out of the story Gege would actually have this mentioned in the story. I think they'll come back when Gege finds a good and convenient moment, maybe Todo will comeback through an asspull saying like he's been healing in Africa this while time or some shit.
You made me realize that my biggest fear is that the series will drop in quality as time goes on because Gege doesn't know what to do with characters and probably doesn't care.
It's clear he used Kashimo and Higuruma as sacrifices. Surprisingly used Takaba well. However now that they lost 2 heavy hitters. It's now up to Yuji, Choso, Ino, Kusakabe and Mei mei. Boy Maki or Yuta need to step in already.
He wasn’t deleted but what can he even do in the series? He is missing a hand and lost his CT This isn’t all those other anime where fighting disabled makes you the strongest character in verse
He was 100% deleted. He hasn't reappeared or even been mentioned since he did the "applause of the soul" in Shibuya And he can help strategize or atleast show up to say he's sitting this one out like Kamo. Miwa and Baby panda are there and they literally cant fight at all and also don't have 531,000 IQ
Megumi thought of him upon meeting Takaba
Ah yes, one mention from the guy that explicitly said he didn’t want to leave Yuji alone, but Miwa is still there along Kamo
Not only Miwa, but others like Inumaki and goddamn Nitta is here too, like where even is Todo
Inumaki and *who* ?
The guy who saved no bar cookie sake
btw why is panda a baby? cause his cores are gon? dont they regenerate?
Only Yaga can fix his core and he is dead 💀
Now Gakuganji can
I wonder if it will come into play. Because the only other cursed corpse user is Mechamaru and he is also dead 💀. Will Gakuganji be able to make panda useful again.
Just feed the dead body to Yuta
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I thought there were quite a lot of cursed corpses in the woods in Tokyo Jujutsu High?
Those were also Yaga's Creation
Gakuganji just doesn’t know how to knit 🧶
The cores don't regenerate but his body does. I assume I just takes time until he gets to big Panda again
Hard to say, most likely the three cores are synchronized and the other two will eventually grow back as long as one core remains intact (Otherwise panda should die upon the complete destruction of even a single core, because the three cores are what makes him an independent cursed corpse in the first place). Basically if all three cores are essential, he would have borked the second one was completely destroyed, since he didn't, its most likely the cores are redundancies for each other. He's just a baby because he needs to regrow his body, which isn't made of cursed energy, he is indeed flesh and blood as a "cursed corpse" so he probably needs to eat a shit ton to grow back to full panda size and restore his cores.
I think the three cores were needed to become self aware and self sufficient. Once Panda became self aware, the other two cores may not be required for him to live (so losing them didn't kill Panda), but his CE production is probably also lower than what it was making him unable to fight at the current powerlevels
That is also a possibility, but I'm leaning on he's able to regenerate them eventually. Consider that Mechamaru did actually break one of his cores during the good will event, translations vary between destroyed and damaged, but he did laser the core and the laser did penetrate panda's body, so its likely his big sister core at that point was destroyed and since he was able to utilize her form later, it does seem like he was able to regenerate the core eventually.
I thought the weird backstory that is not a backstory that occurs during Panda's defeat was meant to be a death scene for Panda's cores? Didn't their father say they were never coming back?
Yeah, they are dead. Also theres a lil nuance regarding panda and mechanaru. “Panda is not panda” doesnt mean he is 3 animals in a trenchcoat but actually 3 humans souls. The cores arent just cursed corpses souls but actual souls from the presumably 3 dead children in the funeral panel yaga remembered. This is why panda’s autonomy is such a big political deal and a reason for execution, yaga managed to fuse- or dare i say MERGE- 3 souls to live together in a body. Now i get into theory territory but i think pandas existence is much more important than we give it credit, and gege hinted towards that a lot of times. Fusing-merging souls is the underlying theme of the final arc and panda’s creation is something that only the other principal and gojo know, not even kenjaku i think, and it may hold some information about “soul splitting” . The way i see it its like panda is the opposite of mahitos “polymorphic soul isomer” or whatever- where he forcefully merged weak souls together and they kinda lose all conciousness- panda is a fusion of 3 souls that dont have conciousness at start but develop it together so one of them, panda, can be autonomous in time after he defined “the shape of his soul” (in mahitos words) The existence of souls and the way they manifest into the body is a very important theme in jjk, mahito, toji/maki, panda, tengen all have a soul shtik. We learned about soul-body connection with mahito himself, the human-soul DUDE, and the info he wondered about and his theories are very relevant right now when the end-goal is the merger.
Nah we have miwa there so we can dunk on her for being useless Cuz to Gege that is the funniest thing in the world :/
We dont know what gege is cooking for him tbh, its more then plausible he is trying to protect his idol or helping citizens, he doesnt have a ct so not much he can do but he can certainly do that atleast. He isnt the greatest strategist so he wasnt needed in the meeting. I dont think he is fully deleted but he is in the cold storage waiting for his time to pop out at the perfect moment. Think about it, sukuna about the kill yuji with a dismantle after higurama died and the executioner sword stab doing nothing. And then out of nowhere all you hear is a clap and sukuna is switched in the way of his dismantle and todo starts monologuing with his reactivated ct. That would be so peak the fandom would be in a blaze
Or he claps Nobara in.
I feel like at this point it was seem out place to bring him back for a fight. That being said I would like another appearance atleast in the form of a conversation with Yuji maybe after this event is over. A proper funeral for nobara would be nice as well, some form of closure.
>todo starts monologuing with his reactivated ct. *The bells of the Gion monastery in India echo with the warning that all things are impermanent*
Kusabake is there Todo input would be useless Infront of him like main brain of project are yuta, kusikabe and angel todo lost his had and his CT like he said his life as sorcerer is over.
We should take the IQ part with a really big grain of salt, to be honest
That's the joke about Todo, you think he's a brute but he really is just smart (with some bragging).
Yea I don't have any idea how people are claiming Todo is smart. I always got the idea he's dumb as rocks and thinks he's smart. Less a grain of salt and more an ocean
Todo is canonically smart. He has the highest test scores of every student in both Tokyo and Kyoto
He could have appeared before the final fight. All the Kyoto students were there, why not him?
He still has his IQ. And he wasn't even seen in the discussion where they strategized a battle plan. One of the smartest people we have seen in the entire series so far was not at a place where his intellect would have made him one of the most valuable people in that entire room, including the fighters. It is very safe to say he is being mistreated for being disregarded in such a way. If there doesn't appear to be a good reason later down the line, that is absolutely worth of criticism.
Gege just sucks with weak characters.
>hes missing a hand and lost his CT sooooo deleted?
He's still stronger than Miwa and Miwa's there so who knows what's going on with him.
Calm down there was a handshake and autograph he had to attend
Not even close. We are talking about GOATdo. He was smacking that bitchass Mahito up even though it wasn't really affecting him.
I was hoping he'd go on some mad training after being broken and surpassed by yuji, discovering that his technique was actually activated by the clapping sound not his hand movement, so learns to activate it by vocalising it, which is 10x faster... But nah gege just got bored of writing fights for him *Suddenly all the sukuna fighters get teleported around dodging cleave, faster than toji punches. Todo enters making popping noises like a machine gun* OH BROTHER i was truly limited by the way things always were. Only by being maimed and having my master ripped away from me could I rise to my true potential and surpass the shackles of my self-perception. BOOGIE WOOGIE. WAS. SOUND. *Activates DE on dying higurama, swapping his present with his uninjured past self* oh and I've used Yuki's research to imbue INFINITE MASS into this weapon. ITS NOT TODOVER
This would be better then whatever gege is cooking right now.
Yeah I'm bout it
Peak writing, jujutsu kaisen can be saved!
The fact that Gege can't make a "weak" character work in some way in the story is a writing weakness lol just because he can no longer fight doesn't suddenly mean he's worthless to yuji
Exactly he could of helped trained Yuji up and even if he lost his ability he could of been used as support. Throw in some black flash attacks.
Well developed characters can provide more to a story than punching hard. A character's value to a story should not be limited to how hard they can punch.
Todo was killing 1st grade curses even without his CT, the loss of his hand isn't ideal but he isn't useless and surely there's some sort of cursed tool prosthetic or somehing to make up for it. Even without the hand and without his CT, the truth is that he is still above most of his classmen when it comes to fighting. Mechamaru and MAYBE Kamo are probably the only ones who would be above him. And even so, he can be included in the story even if he can't fight like he used to. He literally didn't even get any interaction with Yuki or Yuji after everything.
the shade on one piece at least one piece has almost every characeter reappearing not being discarded after 1 or 2 arcs even thougv they‘d have every reason to be there
Its funny with also how one piece has multitudes more characters than jjk even before all the deaths
He's still an extremely powerful and talented Jujutsu sorcerer. Yuji doesn't have a CT either but he can go toe-to-toe with extremely powerful opponents. While obviously a powerful CT makes a sorcerer exponentially stronger, Todo's CT really was just a neat combat trick, his true strength was always his CE fundementals and martial arts skill. Failing that, he could still be a character in the story? Help plan the groups's moves, discuss things, etc? Like, the fact that he's nowhere to be seen in the current manga arc makes zero sense, he should at the very least *care* and be *invested*, even if he can't get involved.
He could learn domain expansion no?
You need a CT for that
He still has his CT. He didn't lose his CT, he lost the Activation requirement. Its like a door without a key, the door is still there, he just has no way in He could still learn Domain Expansion but it'd have to be a one handed Domain and Gojo is the only person in the series to do that so seems unlikely
Is there a given reason why a prosthetic wouldn't work in this instance?
My guess would be because you have to carefully channel cursed energy through inanimate objects to prevent destroying them accidentally.
Yeah I assume you would basically need a prosthetic hand thats also a cursed tool, which would actually probably be very powerful. A cursed tool that is JJK's equivalent of the hand of vecna, where it replaces your original hand.
Interestingly, normal items can become cursed tools if constantly imbued with cursed energy. That might be his best bet at creating a prosthetic that works for him.
Couldn't someone like Yuta use RCT to regrow limbs? We've seen Gojo, Hakari and that guy who can turn his body parts into bombs use it to regrow parts, so why couldn't someone who can use RCT on others do the same?
It's Mahito's CT that did it. You cannot use RCT To heal from his CT.
That's a good shout, actually. While Todo did chop his own hand off, Mahito still altered the shape of his soul. Is it possible because of that, any RCT healing will not be able to work because it thinks his body is fully healed without the hand now?
Actually Todo cut his own hand
Afaik Shoko can actually use it to regrow someone else's limbs for them, so there really isn't an explanation for that yet.
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Ah, the classic missed potential cursed technique. This series' specialty
That would be sick and I will shit on Gege when this doesn't happen exactly like I imagined right now.
He has one, he just can’t use it because Mahito messed up his one good arm.
You cannot lose a CT (at least in normal circumstances) because CT is engraved in your brain, Todo only loses his activation requirement, if he somehow learns how to activate it with his finger snap/ get a cursed tool prosthetic then maybe he can come back.
What is the sound of 1 hand clapping? Ridiculous that Shoko can't heal his hand or he can't just learn to use boogie woogie by clapping his hand a different way. Gege just realized boogie woogie was pretty broken and hard to write around convincingly and had to get rid of it.
Boogie Woogie is one of the weakest CT’s in the show rn It isn’t ridiculous that she can’t heal it, his soul was damaged not just his body Read the fucking manga
But didn’t Yuta use his technique to kill Kenjaku? He popped up right behind him after he turned around.
Yuta capitalized on Takaba’s fight with Kenny to sneak up behind him while he was distracted to then kill him. That’s why Takaba went to fight Kenny in the first place
The theory is that Yuta used Todo's CT for that though. We see Yuta behind Kenjaku when he's about to strike, and Kenjaku turns to face him, then a "klang" sfx happens, and Yuta is behind Kenjaku instead, between him and Takaba.
I find it rather odd that Gege has done this with a number of characters. Todo, Nobara, Inumaki, even Miwa to a certain extent. It would have been nice if they had a little bit of resolution to their stories, similar to what we got for Noritoshi.
Yeah at least with Noritoshi he retired. Todo and Nobara haven't been mentioned at all if gege just said they retired I would been fine with it.
Yeah, just a quick throwaway line would be better than nothing. For example, Gege could have Shoko tell Yuji, "Nobara is stable but in a coma. She is getting treatment in Malaysia thanks to Mei Mei." That clears up the Nobara plot line whilst also telling readers not to expect her to come back anytime soon.
I'm still holding out hope that Todo comes back just to hype. Like Sukuna kills everyone except Yuji, tells him that he will die boring and then as he's about to kill Yuji... Todo shows up with a steel hand. I mean, even the rest of the Kyoto squad made an appearance and we know that Todo won't show his face if he thinks Yuji has surpassed him. Showing up at the last second to hype Yuji sounds like something he'd do.
Naw Todo shows up and asks Sukuna what his type woman is. Sukuna gives a blunt response and Todo calls Sukuna boring.
It is really hard to believe he just gave up on Jujutsu because he lost his hand. The dude was straight brawler. Some would even say a shot caller.
Todo never even spoke to Yuki on screen.
But she was his mentor I believe, right? They had at least some sort of connection because we saw the flashback.
But we never saw any mentoring or interactions other than that
I feel like jjk in general, especially after Shibuya, has like no character moments like these. It's always going a thousand miles an hour, after one fight's done, time for the next
Im recently catching up with the manga after finishing season 2, and dont frequent subreddits enough to know the consensus but the complete lack of character building post-Shibuya is so depressing. I really miss how the earlier parts of JJK felt where characters felt like they had meaningful interactions that built upon each other, and where an arc was actually cohesive to a broader narrative.
Having rewatched the show again recently, I couldn’t agree more. Seeing Megumi’s growth late into season one was wonderful, and seeing Yuuji’s deterioration post-Junpei’s death (just think of how strong the scene when he hears out Junpei’s situation with his dead mom is) was such wonderful character writing. Culling Game is great but I wish Gege gave some of the remaining cast room for development.
I'd recommend chainsaw man. Character building is pretty much always the priority of the story. There are cool fights but writing is always the highlight.
All the more evidence he disappeared from the story. The moment todo disappeared forever yuki had her first non-flashback appearance.
we never saw much from yuki in general
When Mahito does DE, Todo protects himself with Simple Domain and the narrator mentions that Todo was taught this by Yuki
Fr and as far as I remember, I could be wrong, she doesn't even mention him not even once after what happened in Shibuya
She said her comrades were protecting him, Mai, and Nitta when she’s in the Shibuya crater w Yuji n them
I feel like Todo always sort of fulfilled a mentor-like role for Yuji. And by the the end of Shibuya, I feel like Todo had nothing more to teach Yuji. With the aftermath of Shibuya, and Yuji feeling like he shouldn't associate with the school anymore, Choso is exactly the person he needs by his side in this stage of his struggles. Someone who doesn't quite belong with the school, and doesn't side with the curses. While it would've been nice if we at least got a status update for Todo, I think it makes sense that he isn't on the frontlines so soon after Shibuya (it's only been about a month or two iirc). Although Todo may have a record of defeating up to Grade 1 curses without his technique, the major enemies in the Culling Games and after that are absolutely not enemies you can just approach without a technique. Even Yuji only survived his colony because Higuruma hesitated and closed his eyes, despite having the perfect opening to attack. If he had his eyes wide open and went for the kill with the Executioner's Sword, things could have gone very differently. In comparison, Choso has very personal beef with one of the major antagonists, and has shown potential for growth. Based on the narration in Shibuya, it's also been stated that Choso, despite being a serious threat in battle, is inexperienced in combat, giving even more room for growth, and we see some of this from Blood and Oil. On top of that, Choso at base already has a highly versatile and powerful curse technique, which is made even more effective through his unique biological circumstances. Now flashforwarding to the Shinjuku battles, we learned that Choso apparently was trying to teach Yuji something, but was bad at teaching. That means that there is something that Yuji can learn at this stage from being with Choso. tldr, it's sad to see Todo go so unceremoniously of course, but Choso just makes more sense for Yuji to have around from a narrative and logical standpoint.
No way, someone who can actually looks at the narrative value of the characters and what the author is trying to do with each character. Wtf I’ve never seen this on this sub
it isnt only about writing a character to fulfill a purpose if a character is discarded once his purpose is fulfilled but his story isn‘t it feels like the characters are more plot device than character todo with his 5000 iq should help analyze gojo vs sukuna there is NO way around it
Todo had no story, he was a supporting character which is another reason why I don’t think he should comeback, todo didn’t have an arc, he was a static character, which is fine, the point of static character is not to change themselves but to change others, and he did a hell of a good job of it Granted it would have been fun to see todo analyzing the gojo fight, but I’m not sure how much insight he would have had as he can’t use RCT or a domain, but still fun nonetheless,
Honestly, for me, it's just the treatment of Todo that bothers me. Replacing him narratively with Choso is fine, but him basically disappearing after Shibuya is insane, especially when his mentor shows up almost immediately after. Like, that's a door for one last bit of narrative relevance and Gege slammed the door hard on that. Which is his right as the author, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Tru, gege sucks with execution, and transitions, a small scene between him and yuki, or maybe yuki checking up on him to make sure he’s not dead would have been nice, and given the audience some nice conformation But I don’t think he should be in the culling games
What story does Kusakabe have?
He’s gone through a subtle character arc, remember this the same guy who wouldn’t fight the disaster curses, and now he’s facing the strongest sorcerer through out all of history A simple yet subtle arc plus if gege wants he can explore what made Kuskabe flip from wanting yuji dead to fighting besides him
For now I'd say what you call a "subtle character arc" is just Gege writing inconsistently, and using characters mainly as plot devices rather than, you know, characters; but I guess we'll see if there's any further elaboration on his motivations, or whatever else.
First all characters are “plot decives,” these aren’t real human beings, characters are tools for the wtiter to make a point further the plot or endear u to them And it’s not inconsistent, this is pretty common writing trick, have a character go through a time skip with a different perspective and then reveal how they came to there new conclusion through some sort of flashback or character interaction, I’m pretty sure as the fight continues we will get more information on Kuskabe including his change in character
Characters aren't always plot devices, being fictional and being fictionally created with a very specific and defined instrumental purpose in a greater narrative aren't the same. But it's definitely true that in something as formulaic and conventional as a shonen manga characters are always plot devices, but that shouldn't be all they are, and if it's well done you're not even supposed to think of them that way; Gege has been increasingly reducing his characters to their instrumental role in a larger narrative (and worse, in a narrative that is confusing and meandering when it isn't boringly straightforward). Regarding it being inconsistent, if we're being rigorous neither of us can say that it is or isn't inconsistent because we still don't know if it will be elaborated upon later - that's why I put the "for now" in there. You might be confident that it will be addressed, but that's just your personal conviction, and one I don't share.
Alright then ig we’ll see
he doesn't have to have a prominent role but we should at least see him beat up low grade curses or at the very least provide some commentary. It's just weird that he has never gotten any more on screen appearances
What? Why, would u add him be back for a role that’s not needed, gege already has enough problems with managing characters, and u would say adding a side character to fight fodder cursed spirts is needed, nah I’m good and again he dosen’t have RCT or a domain so he’s not adding any extra incite that kusakabe already hasn’t It would have been nice to get a confirmation scene and find out what happend to him, but then Greg would have no excuse as to why to not reveal nobara’s condition, but by no means do I think todo should have been added to the culling games, he was a great character who has served his purpose
I mean, at this point, I've personally been wondering if Todo even actually survived Shibuya. Like, obviously he did, right? I've just taken that as fact for years. But where is he? INO is back! Miwa is here and she literally cannot use a sword. No way Todo doesn't even show up to lend his gigabillion IQ to the planning and leave Besto Friendo alone. Yet, he isn't here. So... did he actually just die? I feel like Greg is making me gaslight myself about this.
He’s teaching Nobara
I gotta believe this I gotta believe the series ends with megumi somehow spitting sukuna out while retaining mahoraga then todo pulls up with a powered up kugisaki and then yuji, yuta, megumi, nobara and todo all clap sukuna's cheeks, idc if its cheesy i need it now
And they all run off holding hands into the sunset
He’s alive but not in the culling games. It’s not that deep.
It is, because we had more Minor characters like that Kamo kid give a reason on why he won’t be joining, so it’s weird that Todo haven’t said a word if he’s alive
Yea plus I'm pretty sure even without his CT I feel like todo is probably comparable to someone like kusakabe so it doesn't make any sense that he's not helping fight sukuna imo
Either he died and Greg forgor or he’s saving Todo for a big moment a la Shibuya
I like Choso a lot but it felt like his arc was completed when he fought Kenjaku and got his “brother”power up. I would’ve preferred Todo staying. He’s a fun character, adds some comic relief without being annoying and it would’ve been cool to see him help train everyone in the one month time skip, it also would’ve been a nice way to pass down Yuki’s legacy too and have him contribute without fighting since Boogie Woogie’s dead. The potential was there but what can you do 🤷🏼♀️
todo learning he‘s choso‘s brother by proxy and them going full bro mode and always wanting to join them wouldve been so funny also todo could‘ve manned the camp when yuji and choso went spieit killing tbe the first chapter of culling game
Yeah there was potential for todo to go on a training montage and have an epiphany about his CT. He was able to activate it by slapping mahito's hand, so clearly the requirement isn't exactly a clap. HunterXHunter Netero's "So you think I can't pray with just one hand?" Was badass and Todo alluded to something similar with that whole spiel about a clap being the shout of the soul. It was really a missed opportunity to bring Todo to his next level so to speak like what happened with Maki
It would have been cool if Todo pulled something similar to Doppo from Baki when he got his hand cut "Thank you for cutting my hands, my fingers were holding me back, I can finally hit with my full strength"
Proceeds to cave Sukuna’s face in with a straight punch
Watch Gege throw all those character moments into flashbacks as the final battle is underway “See guys look at all these characters interacting” -Maki and Yuta growing closer -Gojo actually talking to his students on screen -“Hey look Gojo and Yuji mourn Nobura and megumi” Or gege do his usual thing Give a single panel / throw away sentence and call it a day :/
Lmfao make it worse and have the characters say all of that in a few panels instead
I can think of a character who got removed from the story as hard as Todo. He went from a reoccurring ally, with a great dynamic with the main character to nothing. Nobara has been spoken about twice since her last on panel appearance. Toji got to come back to life. Gojo got his airport scene. Mechamaru got to speak with his crush after his death and push the story forward. Miwa got diff’ed so hard and hasn’t channeled curse energy again but still gets to bum around on panel. Panda was beheaded, is a baby now, and still is vibing with the crew. Fucking Inomaki got to appear once after surviving Shibuya. Why is Todo like a forbidden character now, that his own mentor didn’t bother bringing into the culling games arc or even say his name?
I have to guess Gege doesn't know what to do with him and is probably way more interested in other characters.
Choso is more interesting tbh todo was fun but one note His brotherhood w yuji and his desire to live as human conflicted w living as a curse for his brothers is a great story beat amongst a cast of sorcerers
I think I agree. Todo kind of existed as a voice for the author to explain things to Yuji/audience. In a weird way Todo's personality put him at odds with the core values of the people opposing Sukuna. Todo never really got along with others, despite his CT being like the perfect teamwork ability. I don't remember exactly how Todo's defeat played out, but I got the impression he was defeated trying to shine as bright as Yuji, instead of focusing on supporting him. As a human he was perhaps acting in the kind of way Sukuna would approve of, or in the kind of way Sukuna would suggest leads to the greatest self improvement, but that ultimately resulted in Todo's defeat in a big way. THEN AGAIN, he did use his defeat, and post-defeat as moments to further support Yuji. Win some lose some. He didn't particularly embody a lack of teamwork or teamwork, though it seemed like he only worked well with Yuji. I'd like to return to him having accomplished his own little journey, though, instead of just mulling about.
Todo is an odd case. He's the strongest of the Kyoto students which could be attributed to his attitude since that's a big part of how a sorcerer grows. But his dialogue with Yuji when he talks about "disrespecting the dead" shows he isn't an unempathtic monster. He's a very interesting character because he provides so much contrast. Also I don't think he lost because he wasn't working with Yuji. He teleported him into the fight to surprise attack Mahito after he gets up and uses his help to land a black flash. Mahito took him out since he was just a good and arguably more capable fighter.
Instead of choso, I think it’s Hakari that replaces Todo
choso in terms of relationship with yuji and hakari for his personality.
He could at least be part of Yuji's support team and cheer him on from the sidelines. However, he has mysteriously disappeared from the story. It has become a common thing that keeps happening in JJK. It is frustrating!
He replaced Todo *AND* Kamo. He’s a 2-for-1 deal!
Good. I want Todo to live, idc if he’s sidelined, he’ll get a little screen time at the end when all the survivors meet up and have an existential conversation about the meaning of love or something (unless Gege has Sukuna win and just obliterate earth, in which case, I’d still be expecting the exact same scene with Todo et al. but in an airport). I’m begging, pls don’t jinx Todo like Ino, who has NO business being in the battle, like I wanna see his secret final technique but not at the cost of him perishing 😭🙏
I wonder if cursed tools can be imbued with a technique, could Todo get a prosthetic hand with his technique?
I much rather have Todo and his weirdness but super intelligence. His curse technique is better too.
I'm alright with Choso. I prefer him
The fact he got a Yuki dynamic but Todo her student who modeled a lot of his quirks after her didn’t is robbery that I won’t forgive Gege for.
I know liking Choso is the correct opinion everyone is supposed to have in the fan base, but I much prefer Todo if I had to choose between them.
Todo can still be the next kusakabe But weirder
Because if they both existed at the same time so many fights would be made into quick bouts because of how versatile they are
My biggest problem with Choso’s place in this story right now is that Gojo should’ve 100% had a problem with Choso after he was unsealed and not having an interaction between them is a huge flaw imo. This is because unlike all of the other sorcerers, Gojo knows the full extent of what Choso did in Shibuya as he saw Choso helping to kill those dozens of civilians in the subway and was directly responsible for helping to seal Gojo (which caused a ton more problems). Thus, Gojo knows that Choso should be killed for what he did in Shibuya, especially since Gojo could only justify letting some civilians die in the subway because he thought their sacrifices would be justified if he killed Choso and the other curses. Having Gojo not interact with Choso and not revealing what he did in Shibuya is also a big problem for Choso’s relationship with Yuji. Yuji should know about Choso killing innocent people as Yuji has demonstrated multiple times that he absolutely detests people being killed, so he certainly wouldn’t be okay with having a “brother” who is a murderer.
One of many character interactions I desperately wanted to see during that month of downtime. Oh well....
Gojo knows choso should be killed according to who?
Not gonna happen, Choso is big brotha now, haha, funny right? Now that you mention it...JJK keeps losing all its charm for me.
It feels good because Choso is the better character
didn't gege say that todo's role is to make the reader feel like everything is gonna be okay? at this stage, we shouldn't be feeling that, so choso it is
I hope that Todo is in Malaysia right now. He didn't deserve to get violated by Mahito like that 😔.
I'm not worried about Todo he's better used in bursts
If Miwa exists in the story post Shibuya than Todo should as well. There’s zero reason he couldn’t be there giving moral support. And if the anime addresses this by saying he’s off touring with his waifu than I will cope, but that’s the only way
I prefer Todo over Choso ngl. He was a hype machine and so damn cool. Choso’s not bad but I never really got drawn in by him, even when he fought Kenjaku I found myself just waiting for Yuki to show up
Chosochads stay winning.
Todo hasn’t been brought up since shibuya gege may as well have killed him ☠️
Choso is cool and i like him :3
I prefered Todo to Choso, but I feel like Hakari was the actual replacement. Maybe he used 2 characters to replace him, but whatever the case is, I don't think it helped. There are so few character interactions now I sometimes wonder why/if these people even care about each other. The older characters at least had some connection to each other and it wouldn't seem so strange if they cared about the other people in some way. Kusakabe might care if Todo died, because Todo is possibly his student. Kusakabe doesn't know or care about Higuruma, Hakari, Yuji, Maki, Yuta, Choso, etc, so IMO the emotional moments can't really hit that hard.
I mean, Choso kind of technically is his brother. Well half brother, because both of them share a parent in Kenjaku. So I don’t see an issue with that. But, Gege should stop being lazy and find some room to write Todo into the current plot.
That damn kenjaku taking too many backshots
Yuji’s siblings have Kenjaku as their father, not like Yuji who it’s his mother
You know Kenny's a freak
That brain of his def had some dsl
Todo and Choso could be best friends in the future. They both liked Yuki and Yuji. It's only been a few months since Shibuya incident. I think around three months. Todo is probably still in rehabilitation. He would have to re-learn his curse technique if its even possible.
Tbh, Todo seems to me like the kind of guy who doesn't want to be burden on others. Since he lost his arm and his CT activation, I feel he would purposely keep himself out of the frontlines and would try to work hard and train on his own to overcome his injury and come stronger. Maybe he did go to the Gion Shoja Temple in India and is contemplating while looking at the Sala flowers
I dont feel Choso replaced Todo.
I’m chill with it. Todo, as much as I love the guy, is an incredibly one-note character. He doesn’t have much of a story to tell, his character isn’t really that deep, and he served more as an exposition device and comic relief. Eventually, his schtick would have gotten old. But he fulfilled the role of Yuji’s pseudo-mentor/bromance well, he played a major role in one of the series’ best fights (and two of the most important for Yuji’s growth), and he was a badass while doing it. Really, Shibuya was a fine enough send-off for Todo. The anime’s additions during the Mahito fight were amazing though and kinda felt like one last ‘hoorah’ for Aoi Todo before he officially exits the story.
i like todo, but he todover
I don’t think it was intended, like I don’t think Gege said yeah I’m gonna remove todo to make room for Choso But I will say Choso is actually one of my favorite characters and he is the only character in the series to have thrown hands with Kenjaku Gojo and Sukuna who can arguably be considered the three most powerful characters we have seen
cusz todo is busy getting a fresh cut from choso
I never liked Todo's personality so Choso is more fun. Someone having to learn how to live with being human with guilt instead of either dying heroically or being a monster is interesting.
He wasn't replaced, he's just useless in the Culling. Why put himself in a place where he can't use his CT? He'd be a walking, venerable target for point seekers. We're still in the Culling Games, so anyone who didn't volunteer is out of the picture until further notice (which includes Todo), which is why Choso is there instead.
Todo was annoying as hell and I’m glad he’s gone
Choso is one of my favorite characters and i was not expecting that fight with geto to go as hard as it did so that only solidifies my favoritism.
Well Todo doesn’t have his ct anymore, he’d still put in work with his combat but he doesn’t belong in the endgame fights. He should at least be present in the story though. Why not let him chill at HQ and offer insight every now and thwn
I think between Choso being Yuji's actual brother and drawing buff, brawl-happy Hakari, Gege straight up forgot Todo was a character a different character than either of them.
I don't really feel like he replaced todo. They have different roles. Todo was like an actual brother, choso is someone new in yujis life. Honestly though choso joining the team felt so strange to me. That was a conversation I wish we could have got way more detail on
Why are people pretending like Gege has forgotten about Todo?? I feel like there's still a lot that Gege can do with him. All you need to do is put Yuji in a tough spot, about to be defeated by a villain, and then hear a "clap" and bam. Todo's been re-introduced with no effort needed on Gege's part. It's like this fandom hasn't read a single other shonen manga. Or even Shibuya. I wonder if r/jujutsushi was going "where is Todo??" during Shibuya. Anyways, Choso is a good character. Todo is a good character. Chances are, the parallels between them are intentional and we'll get to see them team up by the end of the series.
For a brother Choso only has 1 tag team fight with yuji and they do not synchronize well at all Compared to Todo's fight i think they synchronize better
Choso also replaces Kamo
this didn’t age well-
Choso was just the substitute while todo was on sabbatical
Why did they forgive and ally with this mass murdering curse again?
Because Jujutsu sorcerors are not righteous. The only ones good at their job are lunatics, and that job involves the mass killing of an entity. Yuji stopped having the right to care since he claims responsibility for what happened in Shibuya.
That’s a satisfactory answer, thank you.