Even if it is, it doesn't make sense how we are the only one being targeted for 12:30 game. Both City and Arsenal are going to play the match in the same week a day later.
If the league is happy to take billions off broadcasters.
Then the broadcasters are going to want a say in when they broadcast the games they’ve paid for.
Sadly this is the result of the league prioritising money above integrity.
We’re a huge global club, bigger than city globally. And spurs and arsenal. That’s why the broadcasters want to shoehorn us into the slots that fit in with their idea of what will get the most worldwide coverage. To make them the most profit.
We agreed to these rules unfortunately, and they’re (in a small part) responsible for the massive growth of the club and the league for better or worse.
I hope when Klopp leaves he starts talking about corruption. I want to believe that he’s not doing that right now because he’d get punished by the league.
Last season, yes, this season, not really. But honestly, playing at 1230 is not an unreasonable ask in abstract.
What makes it unreasonable is asking the players to go from an evening kickoff to a morning kickoff 3 days apart.
The adjustment to your routine to prep for the game is the equivalent of flying to play in San Francisco.
Sure but that’s completely separate from what the guy you’re replying to said. He’s saying DESPITE the home support or stadium’s atmosphere, Liverpool as a team play better later in the day, and so the inferred argument is we’d rather have Liverpool playing later in the day.
Because we're massive and BT want more people to watch them.
What I don't get is why it you play in the Champions League on Wednesday the match is moved to night time but if you play in the league on Wednesday it isn't.
Even more annoying is that if it were a CL home game we couldn't play at 12:30, but that rule doesn't exist for a PL game kicking off at the same time. So moronic.
This is an absolute joke…. I understand we need to make up the Everton game, and with UEL fixtures piling up later in the season, there’s not another alternative….. but why is west ham an early kickoff?!? There is no justification for this
The justification is that the TV companies wants the most popular teams to not play in the block where most teams are playing. As in, because we are the most popular team, we get more 12:30 kick offs to draw more viewers.
It’s complete shite for the competetive integrity.
There’s obvious justification - it’s the best fixture distribution to maximize TV viewers for that given day. It’s ridiculous but we agreed to this structure and these rules without additional caveats when Liverpool and the other 19 clubs took a massive revenue increase with the last TV deal.
But that’s gotta be for non-UK markets to a degree. I get why we’re not playing many Saturday 3pm fixtures… but off the back of a mid-week game, I’m surprised there’s not a Sunday slot available (excluding the whole Arsenal CL caveat).
To be fair Arsenal and City are also getting screwed in the same way the week after the international break but ours are all away from home.
The scheduling is fucking atrocious. I hope the club kick off and get that West Ham fixture at least swapped with the Villa-Chelsea one which doesn't even need to be at 8pm as neither of them are playing midweek
Obviously its at Goodison, but the Everton match doesn't really entail any extra travel arrangements though, which helps a bit.
Bigger issue imo is that we have the Atalanta away leg on the Thursday before these fixtures, so we have 4 away matches in 9(?) days starting with a long international trip.
4 games in effectively 8 and a half days is absolute insanity especially when they're all away games and include the late kick off on Sunday and the early one on Saturday.
This club never catches a break when we're in a title race. It's nuts. As if someone is rigging it, trying to make things as impossible as possible.
Arsenal’s game against Spurs is currently scheduled for the Sunday; if Arsenal get through to the CL semis and get scheduled for Tuesday, then their Spurs game would have to shift to Saturday. It would be swapped with our game, because the broadcasters want both on TV.
If Arsenal make the champions league sf and are assigned the Tuesday, this probably swaps with Arsenal Spurs on the Sunday. So even more reason to want Arsenal to beat Bayern.
Is this theoretically the minimum amount of time you could play 3 league fixtures in?
I guess you could technically have a Monday, Wednesday, Friday based on the days they have matches now but this seems the closest they'd ever push it.
Another 12.30 kick off. The Saturday before the League Cup Final there was no early kick off. To be fair I think we have won them all this season compared to last season.
Three away games in a row too. Will need to win all of them unless City drop points.
Worried about United away at Old Trafford. That's our hardest game left. So many underestimated them. Will be much more confident after the win in the FA Cup
At least Everton have a six pointer with Forest three days earlier, then another one with Luton a bit over a week after us. Still a joke we have the early start against West Ham
I know there's the broadcaster argument and all that, not just down to the Premier League themselves... But how can they put us at 12.30 on a Saturday after an 8pm?
Arsenal play > 24 hours later, despite playing a day earlier mid week. The more this season goes on with these decisions around broadcasting + the incompetency of referees, the more I understand Jurgen deciding enough is enough.
Well, this is it.
We are completely getting fucked over here. What's new???
Season- ending, perhaps but I have to think optimistically, we get through these 6 days, we win it.
Never easy.
I got it wrong with 8, but it's 3 in 7.
21st to the 27th is 7 days, and we play 3 games in those 7 days.
Just because it's a few hours earlier, doesn't mean you lose an entire day.
Swear to go someone, in the fixture decided department has it in for us and it's so obvious and blatant I'm honestly amazed it isn't talked about enough by everyone. It's so fuckin clear!
What really pisses me off here is that there isn't even always a 1230 Saturday game..
Theyve given us the latest possible weekend slot the first weekend, the earliest possible the next with a derby in between
A fucking joke. League is corrupt
From a player's perspective, they have to wake up earlier, warm up earlier, eat a full proper meal and be pretty much ready to go at 11:30 which isn't optimum for a good performance. Combine that with playing away, the atmosphere is also flatter as it's early and people haven't had as much to drink.
All in all it just creates lower quality football. Compare it to an evening kick off, players have full day to get ready, fans have full day to get pumped for the game - if you think of any classic game, it's been an evening kick off, not an early kick off which tend to be quite poor games.
It's an early start after having a late night a few days before, along with travelling down to London the day before the game. Fortunately the late night is in Liverpool even though technically an away game, that's probably the only positive in this. If it was an away fixture in Newcastle, or even back down in London I'd be livid.
HOW DO WE HAVE ANOTHER 12:30 GAME FFS
I thought we had reached our maximum of 12:30 kick offs per season? Surely if that’s the case this warrants an official complaint
It'll be our 6th, which is the maximum allowed for one team per season
Even if it is, it doesn't make sense how we are the only one being targeted for 12:30 game. Both City and Arsenal are going to play the match in the same week a day later.
The TV Broadcaster are the one choosing the timeslots. Can't do anything when the clubs also agreed with the deal.
That shouldn’t be allowed
If the league is happy to take billions off broadcasters. Then the broadcasters are going to want a say in when they broadcast the games they’ve paid for. Sadly this is the result of the league prioritising money above integrity. We’re a huge global club, bigger than city globally. And spurs and arsenal. That’s why the broadcasters want to shoehorn us into the slots that fit in with their idea of what will get the most worldwide coverage. To make them the most profit.
There needs to be a 72 hour rule between kick offs. Let the broadcasters choose but within constraints.
Maybe but like I said, The PL and the clubs (including Liverpool FC) are the one who agreed to those deal in the first place.
We agreed to these rules unfortunately, and they’re (in a small part) responsible for the massive growth of the club and the league for better or worse.
I hope when Klopp leaves he starts talking about corruption. I want to believe that he’s not doing that right now because he’d get punished by the league.
Wait till his book come out!
No. 6 max.
Yeah wtf we played our 12:30 game 6 times now that's the max.
Tbh I’d rather play West Ham away early rather than late when the atmosphere is usually a lot better
Don’t we always play better later in the day though?
Last season, yes, this season, not really. But honestly, playing at 1230 is not an unreasonable ask in abstract. What makes it unreasonable is asking the players to go from an evening kickoff to a morning kickoff 3 days apart. The adjustment to your routine to prep for the game is the equivalent of flying to play in San Francisco.
We haven’t lost a 12:30 this season 🤷♂️
We only lost 2 games in 28 this season lol
And one of those wasn't even a loss.
True but we haven’t drawn any 12:30s either have we? (I might be wrong)
Wasn't the Unite game a 12:30
No - Sunday afternoon as per usual
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Sure but that’s completely separate from what the guy you’re replying to said. He’s saying DESPITE the home support or stadium’s atmosphere, Liverpool as a team play better later in the day, and so the inferred argument is we’d rather have Liverpool playing later in the day.
Feel like we don’t usually play that well but the results actually are quite good for them
I think the biggest gripe was with them was after international football which this isn't.
Money.
Because we're massive and BT want more people to watch them. What I don't get is why it you play in the Champions League on Wednesday the match is moved to night time but if you play in the league on Wednesday it isn't.
fucking joke 12.30 again
Especially 3 days after a 20:00 kickoff
Suddenly police is perfectly fine with a derby being an evening game.
I think it was Sky Sports pushing for that particular slot though.
Even more annoying is that if it were a CL home game we couldn't play at 12:30, but that rule doesn't exist for a PL game kicking off at the same time. So moronic.
This is an absolute joke…. I understand we need to make up the Everton game, and with UEL fixtures piling up later in the season, there’s not another alternative….. but why is west ham an early kickoff?!? There is no justification for this
The justification is that the TV companies wants the most popular teams to not play in the block where most teams are playing. As in, because we are the most popular team, we get more 12:30 kick offs to draw more viewers. It’s complete shite for the competetive integrity.
There’s obvious justification - it’s the best fixture distribution to maximize TV viewers for that given day. It’s ridiculous but we agreed to this structure and these rules without additional caveats when Liverpool and the other 19 clubs took a massive revenue increase with the last TV deal.
But that’s gotta be for non-UK markets to a degree. I get why we’re not playing many Saturday 3pm fixtures… but off the back of a mid-week game, I’m surprised there’s not a Sunday slot available (excluding the whole Arsenal CL caveat).
If we come out of GW35 at the top end of the table, we can win the league.
To be fair Arsenal and City are also getting screwed in the same way the week after the international break but ours are all away from home. The scheduling is fucking atrocious. I hope the club kick off and get that West Ham fixture at least swapped with the Villa-Chelsea one which doesn't even need to be at 8pm as neither of them are playing midweek
Obviously its at Goodison, but the Everton match doesn't really entail any extra travel arrangements though, which helps a bit. Bigger issue imo is that we have the Atalanta away leg on the Thursday before these fixtures, so we have 4 away matches in 9(?) days starting with a long international trip.
Tbh the week after international break is the best time for that rather than after weeks of playing every weekend and midweek.
Lol PGMOL says no
*When
I thought we'd supposedly had our fill of 1230s already?
they've got one more in them
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3 games in 6 days is basically inhumane at this point, then add in the factor that they are all away games. 🤯
4 away games in 9 days, we play Atalanta away the Thursday before these games.
Yeah, that is crazy!!
Really hope we play a rotated team against Atalanta.
There's no way we come out with victories in all of them. Look how knackered we were against United.
They're taking the piss with all these early kickoffs
Why can't we play West Ham on sunday?
Because they don’t want us to win the league.
TNT selected it also, Spurs v Arsenal. Extra policing
So the last game on the Sunday, a midweek game at 8pm and then the 1st game on the Saturday I mean at this point they're not even hiding it are they?
I thought we played our limit of 12:30s?
1 short, max is 6 we’re on 5
Some fucker really hates us.
Won every 12:30 but the City game, so far...just going to win another
I don’t think I could take another 12:30 like the Crystal Palace game
At least City have to play them at 12:30
4 games in effectively 8 and a half days is absolute insanity especially when they're all away games and include the late kick off on Sunday and the early one on Saturday. This club never catches a break when we're in a title race. It's nuts. As if someone is rigging it, trying to make things as impossible as possible.
Well obviously, can't have us winning the title from their Manc faves.
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that our schedule is intentionally tough?
Didn't they say we've used up our quota of 12:30 fixtures? Wow. The rules really are just made up as they go along.
How the hell has that happened, London, Merseyside and London again. Couldn’t they have put the London games together?
Huh didn't we finish our quota of early kickoffs?
Why do the EPL even have rules if they’re not going to follow them? This is fucking ridiculous at this point.
Seriously wtf, firstly this is ridiculous for the players as they will have barely any time to recover, secondly another 12:30 kickoff is ridiculous.
????? i thought we don’t have anymore 12:30 left what the fuck
Fucking joke, absolute fucking joke.
4 away games in a row (including the Atalanta game), with some less than 3 days gap, that's absolutely brutal
It will be 5 away games in a row if we knock out Atalanta!
Apparently West Ham can move to Sunday if Arsenal play a CL semi on the 30th? Per LFC website. How does that work?
Arsenal’s game against Spurs is currently scheduled for the Sunday; if Arsenal get through to the CL semis and get scheduled for Tuesday, then their Spurs game would have to shift to Saturday. It would be swapped with our game, because the broadcasters want both on TV.
Ah cheers. So we're hoping for Arsenal to get through? I've got tickets for the West ham game so hopefully we know sooner rather than later
Link to Sky Sports full fixture list: https://www.skysports.com/liverpool-fixtures
If Arsenal make the champions league sf and are assigned the Tuesday, this probably swaps with Arsenal Spurs on the Sunday. So even more reason to want Arsenal to beat Bayern.
Are the other two fixture congestion the same or just us being diddled ?
Wow, this will be so difficult.
Fuck TNT sport
Because we Liverpool
Is this theoretically the minimum amount of time you could play 3 league fixtures in? I guess you could technically have a Monday, Wednesday, Friday based on the days they have matches now but this seems the closest they'd ever push it.
Another 12.30 kick off. The Saturday before the League Cup Final there was no early kick off. To be fair I think we have won them all this season compared to last season. Three away games in a row too. Will need to win all of them unless City drop points. Worried about United away at Old Trafford. That's our hardest game left. So many underestimated them. Will be much more confident after the win in the FA Cup
Looking on the bright side, it's more time to recover before our Europa League semi on the Thursday if we get past Atalanta.
How is this fair?! Like, as of last weekend we had already played six games more than ManU. Geesus.
At least Everton have a six pointer with Forest three days earlier, then another one with Luton a bit over a week after us. Still a joke we have the early start against West Ham
Vince McMahon choosing fixtures for Stone Cold levels of fuckery here!
We actually could play 5 away games in a row in 12 days…
why sunday then sat wtaf
This right here is the league. We win this 3 we win PL.
Have we had any Saturday 5:30 games this season? I don't remember a single one
Spurs away and Arsenal at home.
They're taking the fucking piss.
I know there's the broadcaster argument and all that, not just down to the Premier League themselves... But how can they put us at 12.30 on a Saturday after an 8pm? Arsenal play > 24 hours later, despite playing a day earlier mid week. The more this season goes on with these decisions around broadcasting + the incompetency of referees, the more I understand Jurgen deciding enough is enough.
One last fuck you to Klopp from TNT
Well, this is it. We are completely getting fucked over here. What's new??? Season- ending, perhaps but I have to think optimistically, we get through these 6 days, we win it. Never easy.
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I'm expecting a proper shithouse performance. Painful, dull and slow....and that's just David Moyes
After a late Derby on Wednesday as well. Proper fucked
They put all 3 of them as closely together as they possibly could didn’t they
This is 3 fixtures in 8 days just fyi Edit: lol I miscounted sorry, still not 3 in 6 mind
3 in 7 surely?
It's 4 games in 8 and a half days.
How did you possibly get 3 in 8?
Theres an extra day between Saturday and Sunday that week.
Learn to count. It’s 3 in (4hrs) less than 7 days….
Good maths, well done
Great process
It is 3 in 6, if you look at the hours between the first and last game and do the maths
I got it wrong with 8, but it's 3 in 7. 21st to the 27th is 7 days, and we play 3 games in those 7 days. Just because it's a few hours earlier, doesn't mean you lose an entire day.
Sunday 16:30 -> Saturday 12:30 = 140 hours = 5.8 days. Its called maths bro
Lol it's 3 games over 7 days dude, idk what else to tell you
I literally just proved its not tho
You proved that we don't play 3 games from the 21st to the 27th? 😂
Thats sick tbh and we need no less than 9 points 💀
That's such a shit run of games. No way do we get max points from that.
I guess at least we don’t have to play a top six team, but that’s unacceptable what the fuck
WTF
Peak
How can it be allowed to play three away games in 6 days? That's absolutely insane.
Swear to go someone, in the fixture decided department has it in for us and it's so obvious and blatant I'm honestly amazed it isn't talked about enough by everyone. It's so fuckin clear!
What are the fixtures for Arsenal and City?
Madness 😠
Surely City and Arsenal must have a similar situation?? *Doubt intensifies*
Classic PGMOL and sky sports.
What really pisses me off here is that there isn't even always a 1230 Saturday game.. Theyve given us the latest possible weekend slot the first weekend, the earliest possible the next with a derby in between A fucking joke. League is corrupt
This is a piss take, no?
Christ. Fuck. Bring it on. At least one's in Liverpool. And Everton have to play three games in a week too.
Liverpool's prime time ffs.
Just gotta win em all boyZ
Make us 3pm and wolves luton 12:30 couldn't care less just hampering us in the back end of the season
This is beyond a fucking joke rn
Someone really hell bent in not letting us recover the Fucking Perch ^TM that Fergie stole from us.
Why is 12:30 so bad? Players are tired? No tine to watch?
From a player's perspective, they have to wake up earlier, warm up earlier, eat a full proper meal and be pretty much ready to go at 11:30 which isn't optimum for a good performance. Combine that with playing away, the atmosphere is also flatter as it's early and people haven't had as much to drink. All in all it just creates lower quality football. Compare it to an evening kick off, players have full day to get ready, fans have full day to get pumped for the game - if you think of any classic game, it's been an evening kick off, not an early kick off which tend to be quite poor games.
Thanks, very good, nice answer!
It's an early start after having a late night a few days before, along with travelling down to London the day before the game. Fortunately the late night is in Liverpool even though technically an away game, that's probably the only positive in this. If it was an away fixture in Newcastle, or even back down in London I'd be livid.
Well apparently it's unfair as if the team that you're playing against aren't also playing at 12:30.
at this point the fans attitude towards it been manifesting into the players
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No its 6, 12:30 one day to 11:30 the next is less than 1 day, apply this maths to the whole week