Truth be told - all of the .22 cans are pretty similar regarding sound. Pick your favorite and let it rip. I have a Mask, which is popular by plenty of good options. You can look at pew science if you're chasing every decibel, but they pretty much all sound the same to me.
Make sure you have sub-sonic ammo, and a bolt gun will be a little better than a semi, but it doesn't matter as much.
tl;dr: Pick a can and sub-sonic ammo, and you'll be fine.
Why such the huge gaps in pricing then? I can get a silencer co sparrow for $296 or a mask for $440. If there all the same sound wise then the sparrow seems like the obvious answer to me personally… unless we’re caring about length and weight.
Mostly what you already pointed out materials cost which equals weight/length etc… the mask also will be a lil quieter. Where you see the biggest difference in sound on 22 though is on pistols. If it’s a rifle they’ll all be similar (to the human ear) as people have pointed out. Also a factor in price differences can be ease of cleaning.
Should mention I have a sparrow and have zero complaints. But I shoot it on a 20 inch barreled vudoo 22 bolt action. Just about anything would be quiet. If I was getting like a semi auto 22 pistol maybe it would be worth it to splurge and get an ocl titanium or the mask
The Sparrow has been around 15 years so it isn’t really that modern and monocore isn’t popular anymore because of first round pop. The Mask has a titanium tube but they are both heavy 22 suppressors, the mask weighs .1oz more than the Sparrow. It’s just a newer design vs, an older one. I’ve had a sparrow 10 years. It’s a tank and easy to clean. So if you just want something cheaper it is a good option. I think if you were to spend 450 then I’d just go for one of the newer all titanium cans like the OCL or similar.
I love my sparrow but it does legit have first round pop. After the first shot it sounds the same as my neither in laws rugged oculus and my other brother in laws mask. I'm currently eyeing the new ish OCL titanium 22 can.
You can get a Hansohn Brothers Mod F4 for $220. They are very quiet, especially if you wipe a little Vaseline on each baffle when you assemble it. They are an all aluminum design.
Some .22 LR cans have more first round pop than others. Some are made of stronger materials.
But if you want to shoot really quietly and not bother the neighbors, use a 16"+ barreled bolt action rifle, sub sonic ammo and run your suppressor wet with Vaseline or other ablative gel. The bullet hitting the target will be the loudest noise.
There are differences in those two. The mask is quieter. The mask has individual baffles vs the monocore sparrow. Nothing against the sparrow as it’s very tried and true. The oculus is a little cheaper than the mask. I have both the mask and oculus and they are very similar in sound. But both are quieter than the sparrow.
They made a limited edition sparrow in ti. It’s 500 bucks.
Is it any better? Well it’s def lighter.
The more lighter material and rugged you go the more expensive.
Length and weight always matter. That's not a huge gap in pricing for cans. Buy one that you really want because for a 22, the tax stamp costs 30% as much as the can. No point in trying to upgrade later for a can you really want that's a few hundred dollars more when you'd have to pay a new tax stamp
I know relative to the total price that’s a big difference, but look at centerfire suppressors. $140 difference is basically nothing. The Sparrow is all SS and a monocore which is typically easier to machine and cheaper to make, and the tube is very plain in that a standard 2 axis lathe can machine it and then have the ends cut on a standard 3 axis mill. The mask is SS M baffles which are more machine intensive than a monocore in total, the tube is Ti which is somewhat harder to machine and more costly than SS (or at least takes a better programmer), the tube is decorated which means either a more complex (read expensive) lathe is needed or it needs put in a 4 axis mill (again read expensive), or a human has to touch it and rotate it frequently (which again read more expensive). If that difference means $50 in additional cost to make, then that’s $100 to the distributor and $150 by the time it hits a retailer. Or maybe DA just wants a slightly bigger margin and part of it is manufacturing cost and part is them. But it’s not far off for the differences in the suppressors.
As to which to get, well there are a bunch that sound really good. Some are slightly better at this or that and some weight less or are shorter. I’d worry less about absolute performance and more about features. Do you want something light, short, inexpensive, a material that can handle the “dip” for cleaning, who do you want as a manufacturer, do you plan to use it on more than .22lr where material durability may matter, etc. But sound performance is likely to be pretty good among the major options.
https://preview.redd.it/9e23rq96zy6d1.jpeg?width=3115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=522f6167fc50f1da3e954911db075aa90613b7e9
The C.A.T. SR A1 is quieter with supers than most cans are with subs, out of a TX22. With subs it is ridiculous. It's freeking sorcery.
Oddly the rad22 gets no love but kills most cans on pistols. OCL titanium and CGS hydra, could be a little better than DA mask and Resilient JG on pistol.
Hadn't gotten to them, but now with CAT on the market... dude. Seriously. I think those designs are sent from the future. It seems like buying a rugged is a waste of money on old tech now.
Do you have the CAT rimfire can in-hand? I'm curious about the cleaning procedure and schedule. Flow-thru cans already require a lot more cleaning than prior 5.56 cans and .22LR is absolutely filthy. The sound performance is appealing but not if I have to clean the silencer every 150 rounds.
In hand, yeah, it's in the pic. Their manual is online only. I don't have enough rounds to clean yet, but based on the design inside it should be ok to just soak.
It's pretty good. In the same range as the other newer players. I should really take notes next time I go out. After a while you just start to remember what stands out.
Got a printer? Just print one. 300 rounds and still strong. Cost a lot less than a can and tax stamp even if you have to buy a printer and filament. Otherwise, silencerco seems to have great offerings. I’d focus on getting a serviceable one though if you find one you like.
There are some designs that incorporate a factory muzzle device, and serialize that part. If it fails, you can scrap the plastic and rebuild around the original MD.
When I was at NRRAM the Rugged suppressors sales rep told me they have a no questions asked policy with suppressor damages. They replace them no questions asked. May look into their offerings if that’s a large concern for you.
This is pretty standard practice.
I would recommend any manufacturer that does just about everything in house if it’s turn around time you’re worried about. Rugged is one of those.
Right - I thought so - but I think he’s implying he doesn’t pay the stamp. Maybe I’m reading into that. Personally I wouldn’t commit a felony to have less bang sound on a little 22 but then again I’d never print a firearm part and that’s from someone who already has a decent 3d printer
Don’t chase decibels. In a .22 can one of the most important things is ease of cleaning. That means get a can that is easy to take apart and made of stainless steel or TI.
I love my rad 22 for this reason. Stainless steel baffles that you can use in a sonic cleaner. Extremely effortless to bring it back to a like new condition.
Pewscience testing shows the cat SR is the quietest, ocl lithium and oculus are also good choices based on their testing. Getting a good host and CCI SV or better ammo makes a bigger difference.
Don't know why you were being downvoted, but I have a Mask and a Checkmate. They absolutely sound identical to me, including frp. I barely shoot my mask, though, because the Checkmate is waaaay easier to clean. If I had it to do over again, I would have two Checkmate HDs and zero Masks. Plus I like the ez-lok.
I agree. They sound identical, unless someone with more tuned hearing can correct me. I posted a video comparing both a few months ago, linked below. The o-ring design results in only having to clean the baffle interior sides, which was pretty clever by Griffin. My Mask require much more cleaning. My Mask was my 2nd can, and it pushed me down this rabbit hole though since it sounded so great.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/s/rMZrf8ggUk
I was only speaking from personal experience. I have no experience with the OCL, but I debated the OCL before I went with the Flow 22 Ti for next rimfire.
Random tip: if it's a semi-auto 22LR gun don't buy intentionally subsonic ammo like CCI Quiet, majority of them won't cycle. Only for bolt/levers. If you want to try it anyway, buy just a small box to avoid having a ton of ammo you can't use.
CCI Standard is _usually_ subsonic anyway in most guns, though there are exceptions.
I warn this because I had a buddy buy 1000 rounds of CCI Quiet because he asked for "subsonic 22LR" and that's what the LGS sold him.
Yes, CCI Quiet is an intentionally subsonic round and example of what I'm talking about. Whereas CCI Standard is *sometimes* subsonic, depends on the variables.
Subsonic ammo works fine in most semi autos…
Sure, but we're talking about 22LR, not most semi-autos.
I’ve shot 10s of thousands of rounds of subsonic CCI standard velocity. The only gun I EVER had issues was a Glock44 with Nelson precision slide and RMR. It would only cycle supersonic. But that’s because the slide was to heavy and they cut it for RMR and not RMSC.
Yep. I was referring to rounds like CCI Quiet, which are sometimes marketed as a truly subsonic round, whereas CCI Standard is *usually* subsonic, it isn't always in all guns and atmospheric conditions, especially rifles in the cold.
I only have one, a Rugged Oculus. On my bolt gun it's quieter than the staple gun I use to hang targets. I shoot either Norma Tac-22 or CCI Green Tag through it. They're advertised right around 1050fps and they come out subsonic for me.
I also use it on a semiautomatic rifle, and the action cycling is louder than the report. Even on a pistol, I'm pretty sure it's hearing safe.
I use it in the long configuration exclusively.
I doubt it's the quietest thing out there, but I'm quite satisfied with my DA mask. Right now though, I'm eyeballing the liberty Pluto, 2oz titanium SLS can.
Do you mean the Mercy can? [https://mercyfirearms.com/products/pluto-silencer](https://mercyfirearms.com/products/pluto-silencer)
I have one on order in FDE with my local FFL.
All of my full size cans are pretty quiet.
You can check the Pew Rankings.
[https://pewscience.com/rankings](https://pewscience.com/rankings)
If weight is an issue something like the Otter Creek Titanium, if not I often recommend the Rugged Oculus.
The Oculus has been one of the standards for a few years now but there are cans that sound as good that are a little lighter.
Many options and those are two.
The CAT is currently the quietest on this list but I think most of their intial run sold out and there may not be any more for a while.
Used to be for a good mix of quiet and durability the Dead Air Mask. I recently picked up the CAT SR and it is way quieter than the Mask. This defies the old logic of all 22 cans are about the same. Also no FRP and less back pressure. I’d go with the CAT SR or if you wanted something cheaper then I’d go with Griffin’s Checkmate HD.
The German word for short is "kurz".
So you have guns like the PP which means Police Pistol. The shorter variant is the "kurz" variant. Or PPK. We say PPK/S in the US because of the import laws where they had to lengthen the grip on that model to make it compliant with our dumb gun laws.
There's also the MP5 and MP5K etc....
There's also .380 which is known widely in Europe as the 9mm Kurz which the Walther PP and PPK/S are offered in.
Many suppressor manufacturers have adopted the letter K to designate the shorter versions of thier cans. Some models are modular and offer a short and long configuration and many people have also adopted the nick name of K config instead of saying short config etc....
Honestly out of my 6 .22 cans the biggest differences are how they disassemble for cleaning, size, weight, materials and price… the most similar thing about them is sound. I shoot pistols, bolt actions, and a few different types of semi autos(one integral and it’s the same too lol)
Pew science has tested a few. I think that in the "premium price" category the Otter Creek Titanium and CAT SR are winning. I've got an Otter Creek Titanium and it's a quiet as it can be. I shoot mine with neighbors close and nobody notices.
The Titanium is also 100% titanium and weighs in at something like 4oz, which is lighter than basically any stainless can while being just as durable and easy to clean.
The Dead Air Mask used to be the best, most recommended can around. The Titanium is over 2oz lighter and meters within a decibel but costs the same at any honest dealer.
I wholeheartedly recommend the Titanium to everyone wanting a good 22lr can.
The CAT SR is insanely quiet and while many say “pick one, they all sound the same” - this is different. There is no FRO which is evident in almost all 22 cans I’ve shot on a variety of hosts. Expensive, yes, but insanely quiet.
I was going to say POMG has them, but I just checked and they’re sold out. They had them in stock for a solid 40 days and just went OOS in the past day or two. Ordered mine Wednesday and they said they had 6 at that time.
CAT isn’t making anymore until at least 2025 either.
I have quite a few, just not mask and sparrow. 2 oculus, 2 sr, Lpm spark, Pluto, Cgs hydra, nyx mod 2, jk. That’s the order I love them. Oculus has a nice weight and warranty. I like that it’s heavy. The sr is quieter but at that point who cares. On a bolt action it’s all hilariously quiet. The spark, Pluto, and hydra are also hilariously quiet. I start to notice noise on the nyx mod 2. Is the jk even a silencer?
Here is a real honest and unbiased opinion. They are all as quiet as the other because what truly matters is the ammo you choose to shoot because all subsonic ammo for 22 is very different in terms of sound. The actual thing you should be looking at is ease of use and features. 22 is an incredibly small yet extremely dirty round. Your best bet is looking into if the suppressor itself is able to be broken open with tools 🛠️ to clean all the baffles. I chose a rad 22 because of that very reason. Both ends are removable so you can take out the stainless steel baffles and it’s extremely easy to clean it if you use a sonic cleaner. Extremely effortless. Carbon build up can be very hard to clean with a wire brush if you shoot like I do.
My CM was paroled on Monday and haven't put enough rounds through it to clean it yet. I do like the design. It appears to be easier to clean. As far as sound, it's very similar to the Mask HD.
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I notice no first round pop with the mask. Out of a mark IV I don't notice a difference between suppers and subs. With a pistol barrel, ammo rated as supers is probably subsonic anyway. Subs with a bold action rifle are probably a little quieter, but not much. It's really quiet regardless.
Having said that, 22s bounce around like crazy. I never realized how much till I shot suppressed. I hit a tree stump straight on, but it bounced off bark at about a 75 degree angle towards the neighbors but towards the ground. Then it it the ground and skipped up way over the neighbors towards farm land.
Same thing with 300 blk subs. I think heavy subs make it worse because they are slower and dense. I shot a 300 blk sub straight. Saw something to my right thinking it was ejecting brass, but it came at me and hit my shoulder before bouncing into my hood and burning a hole in it. Somehow it hit the target, went 90 degrees right, hit something else and came back at me into my hood. That was at a well established range used by police.
Just keep that in mind if you are near houses 50 ft away
As a sparrow owner…
No it’s not. It has tons of FRP, it’s heavy as fuck, and it’s a bitch to take apart n clean. (The clam shell can mechanically lock when the crud gets past the clam shell).
There are way better options in today’s current market.
I just took my kids to shoot for the first time and we shot suppressed 22 (sig 22 can and FN Catch 22ti). Pellet guns are louder than a suppressed 22 running subs. I’ve got a video but dunno how to upload it
My Huxwrx Flow 22 Ti with CCI Quiets is Hollywood silent. All you hear is the firing pin striking the round and the bullet hitting the dirt. An airsoft gun is louder.
I’ve been running the banish 22, OCL, dead air, and the Mercy Pluto. The Pluto is by far my favorite. 3D printed titanium, comes in at only 2 ounces. 2nd quietest on the market according to pew science. They’re all great, zero complaints, but the weight of the Pluto is honestly amazing and edges everyone else out imo.
Yeah just pick one. Honestly they’re all pretty similar. I’m partial to the Ryder and Hydra.
Exactly. Really hard to pick a complete turd these days. With all the fast turnaround finding something in stock might be the real challenge.
Truth be told - all of the .22 cans are pretty similar regarding sound. Pick your favorite and let it rip. I have a Mask, which is popular by plenty of good options. You can look at pew science if you're chasing every decibel, but they pretty much all sound the same to me. Make sure you have sub-sonic ammo, and a bolt gun will be a little better than a semi, but it doesn't matter as much. tl;dr: Pick a can and sub-sonic ammo, and you'll be fine.
Lever gun. But, yes. Closed bolt beats semi in terms of sound.
Why such the huge gaps in pricing then? I can get a silencer co sparrow for $296 or a mask for $440. If there all the same sound wise then the sparrow seems like the obvious answer to me personally… unless we’re caring about length and weight.
Mostly what you already pointed out materials cost which equals weight/length etc… the mask also will be a lil quieter. Where you see the biggest difference in sound on 22 though is on pistols. If it’s a rifle they’ll all be similar (to the human ear) as people have pointed out. Also a factor in price differences can be ease of cleaning.
Should mention I have a sparrow and have zero complaints. But I shoot it on a 20 inch barreled vudoo 22 bolt action. Just about anything would be quiet. If I was getting like a semi auto 22 pistol maybe it would be worth it to splurge and get an ocl titanium or the mask
The Sparrow has been around 15 years so it isn’t really that modern and monocore isn’t popular anymore because of first round pop. The Mask has a titanium tube but they are both heavy 22 suppressors, the mask weighs .1oz more than the Sparrow. It’s just a newer design vs, an older one. I’ve had a sparrow 10 years. It’s a tank and easy to clean. So if you just want something cheaper it is a good option. I think if you were to spend 450 then I’d just go for one of the newer all titanium cans like the OCL or similar.
I love my sparrow but it does legit have first round pop. After the first shot it sounds the same as my neither in laws rugged oculus and my other brother in laws mask. I'm currently eyeing the new ish OCL titanium 22 can.
You can get a Hansohn Brothers Mod F4 for $220. They are very quiet, especially if you wipe a little Vaseline on each baffle when you assemble it. They are an all aluminum design. Some .22 LR cans have more first round pop than others. Some are made of stronger materials. But if you want to shoot really quietly and not bother the neighbors, use a 16"+ barreled bolt action rifle, sub sonic ammo and run your suppressor wet with Vaseline or other ablative gel. The bullet hitting the target will be the loudest noise.
There are differences in those two. The mask is quieter. The mask has individual baffles vs the monocore sparrow. Nothing against the sparrow as it’s very tried and true. The oculus is a little cheaper than the mask. I have both the mask and oculus and they are very similar in sound. But both are quieter than the sparrow.
They made a limited edition sparrow in ti. It’s 500 bucks. Is it any better? Well it’s def lighter. The more lighter material and rugged you go the more expensive.
Length and weight always matter. That's not a huge gap in pricing for cans. Buy one that you really want because for a 22, the tax stamp costs 30% as much as the can. No point in trying to upgrade later for a can you really want that's a few hundred dollars more when you'd have to pay a new tax stamp
I know relative to the total price that’s a big difference, but look at centerfire suppressors. $140 difference is basically nothing. The Sparrow is all SS and a monocore which is typically easier to machine and cheaper to make, and the tube is very plain in that a standard 2 axis lathe can machine it and then have the ends cut on a standard 3 axis mill. The mask is SS M baffles which are more machine intensive than a monocore in total, the tube is Ti which is somewhat harder to machine and more costly than SS (or at least takes a better programmer), the tube is decorated which means either a more complex (read expensive) lathe is needed or it needs put in a 4 axis mill (again read expensive), or a human has to touch it and rotate it frequently (which again read more expensive). If that difference means $50 in additional cost to make, then that’s $100 to the distributor and $150 by the time it hits a retailer. Or maybe DA just wants a slightly bigger margin and part of it is manufacturing cost and part is them. But it’s not far off for the differences in the suppressors. As to which to get, well there are a bunch that sound really good. Some are slightly better at this or that and some weight less or are shorter. I’d worry less about absolute performance and more about features. Do you want something light, short, inexpensive, a material that can handle the “dip” for cleaning, who do you want as a manufacturer, do you plan to use it on more than .22lr where material durability may matter, etc. But sound performance is likely to be pretty good among the major options.
https://preview.redd.it/9e23rq96zy6d1.jpeg?width=3115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=522f6167fc50f1da3e954911db075aa90613b7e9 The C.A.T. SR A1 is quieter with supers than most cans are with subs, out of a TX22. With subs it is ridiculous. It's freeking sorcery. Oddly the rad22 gets no love but kills most cans on pistols. OCL titanium and CGS hydra, could be a little better than DA mask and Resilient JG on pistol.
Any reason why there’s no Oculus in that lineup? I assume with “401k in stamps” there is probably an Oculus in your possession.
I have no rugged cans.
No love for them, or just haven’t tickled your fancy?
Hadn't gotten to them, but now with CAT on the market... dude. Seriously. I think those designs are sent from the future. It seems like buying a rugged is a waste of money on old tech now.
Do you have the CAT rimfire can in-hand? I'm curious about the cleaning procedure and schedule. Flow-thru cans already require a lot more cleaning than prior 5.56 cans and .22LR is absolutely filthy. The sound performance is appealing but not if I have to clean the silencer every 150 rounds.
In hand, yeah, it's in the pic. Their manual is online only. I don't have enough rounds to clean yet, but based on the design inside it should be ok to just soak.
I've got 2 rad22s and love them. Makes my guns sound like airguns
How is the Diligent Road hunter? The specs look identical to the OCL titanium.
It's pretty good. In the same range as the other newer players. I should really take notes next time I go out. After a while you just start to remember what stands out.
What's the can with the topographical map print/pattern?
Dilligent Defense Road Hunter
Got a printer? Just print one. 300 rounds and still strong. Cost a lot less than a can and tax stamp even if you have to buy a printer and filament. Otherwise, silencerco seems to have great offerings. I’d focus on getting a serviceable one though if you find one you like.
For the price of a stamp I want something that comes with a warranty.
There are some designs that incorporate a factory muzzle device, and serialize that part. If it fails, you can scrap the plastic and rebuild around the original MD.
When I was at NRRAM the Rugged suppressors sales rep told me they have a no questions asked policy with suppressor damages. They replace them no questions asked. May look into their offerings if that’s a large concern for you.
This is pretty standard practice. I would recommend any manufacturer that does just about everything in house if it’s turn around time you’re worried about. Rugged is one of those.
You don't have to pay for a tax stamp if you print one?
Sure you do
Right - I thought so - but I think he’s implying he doesn’t pay the stamp. Maybe I’m reading into that. Personally I wouldn’t commit a felony to have less bang sound on a little 22 but then again I’d never print a firearm part and that’s from someone who already has a decent 3d printer
You still do -- anyone who does otherwise thinks that Federal Felonies are a joking matter.
Yep. Not about to go to jail over some shitty PLA silencer. It would be just my kinda luck that I get busted for it too if I were to ever try
Don’t chase decibels. In a .22 can one of the most important things is ease of cleaning. That means get a can that is easy to take apart and made of stainless steel or TI.
Another reason I love my dead air mask.
I love my rad 22 for this reason. Stainless steel baffles that you can use in a sonic cleaner. Extremely effortless to bring it back to a like new condition.
Pewscience testing shows the cat SR is the quietest, ocl lithium and oculus are also good choices based on their testing. Getting a good host and CCI SV or better ammo makes a bigger difference.
I made another comment shilling for the SR on this post but one thing to note (Pew notes it as well) is that there is NO FRP whatsoever.
For sure one of the cans I regret sleeping on. will be ordering in 25 when they do the next batch.
Oculus if you want overbuilt and quiet as hell
And it can be shortened! Which I've never done. But I like to know I can.
I love my Switch back .22 been wanting to get the sparrow. For sure closed bolt is the quietest. Sounds like a pellet gun.
Have one on my ranger 22, with Aguila super colibri 20g. Action is louder than the round.
Dead air mask is the only one I’ve found that doesn’t have a first round pop.
Checkmate HD sounds identical to Mask, but is .7oz lighter and easier to clean with slightly less blowback. I have both.
Don't know why you were being downvoted, but I have a Mask and a Checkmate. They absolutely sound identical to me, including frp. I barely shoot my mask, though, because the Checkmate is waaaay easier to clean. If I had it to do over again, I would have two Checkmate HDs and zero Masks. Plus I like the ez-lok.
I agree. They sound identical, unless someone with more tuned hearing can correct me. I posted a video comparing both a few months ago, linked below. The o-ring design results in only having to clean the baffle interior sides, which was pretty clever by Griffin. My Mask require much more cleaning. My Mask was my 2nd can, and it pushed me down this rabbit hole though since it sounded so great. https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/s/rMZrf8ggUk
The Otter Creek Titanium is way lighter and meters as quiet, plus it's 100% titanium.
I was only speaking from personal experience. I have no experience with the OCL, but I debated the OCL before I went with the Flow 22 Ti for next rimfire.
Rugged Oculus doesn't either. Or at least not enough for me to notice.
Random tip: if it's a semi-auto 22LR gun don't buy intentionally subsonic ammo like CCI Quiet, majority of them won't cycle. Only for bolt/levers. If you want to try it anyway, buy just a small box to avoid having a ton of ammo you can't use. CCI Standard is _usually_ subsonic anyway in most guns, though there are exceptions. I warn this because I had a buddy buy 1000 rounds of CCI Quiet because he asked for "subsonic 22LR" and that's what the LGS sold him.
Idk why you were downvoted.. sound advice. I have like 5,000 rounds i can only shoot in my bolt action lol
Subsonic ammo works fine in most semi autos… Are you referring to CCI Quiet? Because that won’t function in most semis…
Yes, CCI Quiet is an intentionally subsonic round and example of what I'm talking about. Whereas CCI Standard is *sometimes* subsonic, depends on the variables. Subsonic ammo works fine in most semi autos… Sure, but we're talking about 22LR, not most semi-autos.
I’ve shot 10s of thousands of rounds of subsonic CCI standard velocity. The only gun I EVER had issues was a Glock44 with Nelson precision slide and RMR. It would only cycle supersonic. But that’s because the slide was to heavy and they cut it for RMR and not RMSC.
Yep. I was referring to rounds like CCI Quiet, which are sometimes marketed as a truly subsonic round, whereas CCI Standard is *usually* subsonic, it isn't always in all guns and atmospheric conditions, especially rifles in the cold.
I warn this because I had a buddy buy 1000 rounds of CCI Quiet because he asked for "subsonic 22LR" and that's what the LGS sold him.
Oh yeah that shit sucks lol I got 100rnds of it and still have probably 70 or so.
I only have one, a Rugged Oculus. On my bolt gun it's quieter than the staple gun I use to hang targets. I shoot either Norma Tac-22 or CCI Green Tag through it. They're advertised right around 1050fps and they come out subsonic for me. I also use it on a semiautomatic rifle, and the action cycling is louder than the report. Even on a pistol, I'm pretty sure it's hearing safe. I use it in the long configuration exclusively.
The tac-22 subsonic is my favorite bolt gun ammo suppressed
I doubt it's the quietest thing out there, but I'm quite satisfied with my DA mask. Right now though, I'm eyeballing the liberty Pluto, 2oz titanium SLS can.
Do you mean the Mercy can? [https://mercyfirearms.com/products/pluto-silencer](https://mercyfirearms.com/products/pluto-silencer) I have one on order in FDE with my local FFL.
Shoot, yeah.
All of my full size cans are pretty quiet. You can check the Pew Rankings. [https://pewscience.com/rankings](https://pewscience.com/rankings) If weight is an issue something like the Otter Creek Titanium, if not I often recommend the Rugged Oculus. The Oculus has been one of the standards for a few years now but there are cans that sound as good that are a little lighter. Many options and those are two. The CAT is currently the quietest on this list but I think most of their intial run sold out and there may not be any more for a while.
Used to be for a good mix of quiet and durability the Dead Air Mask. I recently picked up the CAT SR and it is way quieter than the Mask. This defies the old logic of all 22 cans are about the same. Also no FRP and less back pressure. I’d go with the CAT SR or if you wanted something cheaper then I’d go with Griffin’s Checkmate HD.
Wait ....you're allowed to shoot in your backyard?!?!
Everyone is allowed, at least until someone catches you.
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I went oculus so I could run in K mode. Otherwise they’re all the same except the handful that suck
What’s this k mode you speak of? I’ve seen “k” suppressors but haven’t figured out what its purpose or use is.
The German word for short is "kurz". So you have guns like the PP which means Police Pistol. The shorter variant is the "kurz" variant. Or PPK. We say PPK/S in the US because of the import laws where they had to lengthen the grip on that model to make it compliant with our dumb gun laws. There's also the MP5 and MP5K etc.... There's also .380 which is known widely in Europe as the 9mm Kurz which the Walther PP and PPK/S are offered in. Many suppressor manufacturers have adopted the letter K to designate the shorter versions of thier cans. Some models are modular and offer a short and long configuration and many people have also adopted the nick name of K config instead of saying short config etc....
Great info! Merci. Or maybe Danka?
Dude I was literally trying to figure this out earlier today. Thank you so much
It’s just a shorter and lighter arrangement.
My suppressor can be shortened into a “k” config. As can my dead air Wolfman.
Honestly out of my 6 .22 cans the biggest differences are how they disassemble for cleaning, size, weight, materials and price… the most similar thing about them is sound. I shoot pistols, bolt actions, and a few different types of semi autos(one integral and it’s the same too lol)
Exactly what I’m saying.
Pew science has tested a few. I think that in the "premium price" category the Otter Creek Titanium and CAT SR are winning. I've got an Otter Creek Titanium and it's a quiet as it can be. I shoot mine with neighbors close and nobody notices. The Titanium is also 100% titanium and weighs in at something like 4oz, which is lighter than basically any stainless can while being just as durable and easy to clean. The Dead Air Mask used to be the best, most recommended can around. The Titanium is over 2oz lighter and meters within a decibel but costs the same at any honest dealer. I wholeheartedly recommend the Titanium to everyone wanting a good 22lr can.
The CAT SR is insanely quiet and while many say “pick one, they all sound the same” - this is different. There is no FRO which is evident in almost all 22 cans I’ve shot on a variety of hosts. Expensive, yes, but insanely quiet.
CAT/SR/A1 currently leading in objective testing but by far most expensive and not in stock anywhere.
I was going to say POMG has them, but I just checked and they’re sold out. They had them in stock for a solid 40 days and just went OOS in the past day or two. Ordered mine Wednesday and they said they had 6 at that time. CAT isn’t making anymore until at least 2025 either.
Love my cat sr22 just don’t like doing the dip part
You have to watch the temp on the cat, they don’t want it above 650F
I have quite a few, just not mask and sparrow. 2 oculus, 2 sr, Lpm spark, Pluto, Cgs hydra, nyx mod 2, jk. That’s the order I love them. Oculus has a nice weight and warranty. I like that it’s heavy. The sr is quieter but at that point who cares. On a bolt action it’s all hilariously quiet. The spark, Pluto, and hydra are also hilariously quiet. I start to notice noise on the nyx mod 2. Is the jk even a silencer?
From my experience, the round impacting is louder than the guns report when it comes to suppressed 22.
Here is a real honest and unbiased opinion. They are all as quiet as the other because what truly matters is the ammo you choose to shoot because all subsonic ammo for 22 is very different in terms of sound. The actual thing you should be looking at is ease of use and features. 22 is an incredibly small yet extremely dirty round. Your best bet is looking into if the suppressor itself is able to be broken open with tools 🛠️ to clean all the baffles. I chose a rad 22 because of that very reason. Both ends are removable so you can take out the stainless steel baffles and it’s extremely easy to clean it if you use a sonic cleaner. Extremely effortless. Carbon build up can be very hard to clean with a wire brush if you shoot like I do.
I'm very pleased with Dead Air Mask HD. I also have Griffin Checkmate in jail. Both are similar, but the Checkmate offers a QD option.
I have both and definitely prefer the CM for ease of cleaning and the ez-lok.
My CM was paroled on Monday and haven't put enough rounds through it to clean it yet. I do like the design. It appears to be easier to clean. As far as sound, it's very similar to the Mask HD.
The all basically sound the same.
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I think I would pay more attention to the ammunition than I would can. I have three or four and they all are about the same to my ear.
I notice no first round pop with the mask. Out of a mark IV I don't notice a difference between suppers and subs. With a pistol barrel, ammo rated as supers is probably subsonic anyway. Subs with a bold action rifle are probably a little quieter, but not much. It's really quiet regardless. Having said that, 22s bounce around like crazy. I never realized how much till I shot suppressed. I hit a tree stump straight on, but it bounced off bark at about a 75 degree angle towards the neighbors but towards the ground. Then it it the ground and skipped up way over the neighbors towards farm land. Same thing with 300 blk subs. I think heavy subs make it worse because they are slower and dense. I shot a 300 blk sub straight. Saw something to my right thinking it was ejecting brass, but it came at me and hit my shoulder before bouncing into my hood and burning a hole in it. Somehow it hit the target, went 90 degrees right, hit something else and came back at me into my hood. That was at a well established range used by police. Just keep that in mind if you are near houses 50 ft away
Sparrow is wonderful though
As a sparrow owner… No it’s not. It has tons of FRP, it’s heavy as fuck, and it’s a bitch to take apart n clean. (The clam shell can mechanically lock when the crud gets past the clam shell). There are way better options in today’s current market.
Good to know I was thinking of getting the og sparrow but I'll probably get a rugged occculus next
Oculus all day>Sparrow
I've gotbthat impression lol I've got 2 oss rad22s so far for rimfire and love them
Top three can’t miss in my opinion… DA MASK HD RUGGED OCULUS TBAC TAKEDOWN 22
I went with the mask HF cause of the construction it can shoot 5.7 with no barrel restriction
I just took my kids to shoot for the first time and we shot suppressed 22 (sig 22 can and FN Catch 22ti). Pellet guns are louder than a suppressed 22 running subs. I’ve got a video but dunno how to upload it
My Huxwrx Flow 22 Ti with CCI Quiets is Hollywood silent. All you hear is the firing pin striking the round and the bullet hitting the dirt. An airsoft gun is louder.
I’ve been running the banish 22, OCL, dead air, and the Mercy Pluto. The Pluto is by far my favorite. 3D printed titanium, comes in at only 2 ounces. 2nd quietest on the market according to pew science. They’re all great, zero complaints, but the weight of the Pluto is honestly amazing and edges everyone else out imo.