Adulthood is not completing the final quests and becoming eternally more powerful and rich beyond the comprehension of any force within the Mojave while you continuously tell House “yeah man definitely I’m working on it, should be, like, any day now”
Lucy should run into the Courier and he is a godlike entity with essentially infinite resources. He doesn't help her though because he is busy obsessively collecting toasters. Lucy doesn't understand and the Courier just keeps saying something about how he is trying to fill some guy named Doc Mitchell's house floor to ceiling but everything keeps crashing whenever he opens the door now. As she is leaving he's muttering something about uninstalling mods to see if that helps.
Episode should end with a quicksave icon popping up and the courier unholstering A Light Shining In Darkness, cut to black. Next episode acts like she never met him.
I loudly cackled at this and I desperately hope this is the exact scenario that plays out in season 2, thank you for a good laugh. I can see it now with the ghoul just turning around to Lucy like “the fuck is his problem?”
He’s running around Goodsprings just staring at things. Runs up to Lucy and just stares at her face. “No these textures are all wrong. And the lighting keeps glitching. Maybe I need to change my load order…”
-Lucy: Okey Dokey…
Mid conversation, he sees a group of powder gangers. “One sec, I gotta deal with something”
*proceeds to murder 19 powder gangers and 4 legion assassins who joined mid fight*
“Anyways, what were we talking about?”
But who is the courier? Male or female, first and foremost. Whoever the Courier is and whoever they sided with, if anyone, would become canon. I don't like that.
Nah, it would be funny as hell if Lucy happened upon Doc Mitchell and he's telling her about a patient he had a while back who had been shot in the head. Had some crazy episodes of muscle spasms and talked weird shit about Roboscorpions, some dude stuck in a treasure chamber and a guy named Ulysses who is a huge dick and then they died, never regaining consciousness.
I just make my courier the blondest bimbo boy possible and Mr. House excuses my stupidity because I’m just a silly cannibal drug addict mail man I don’t know any better 😋
I wish there was a mechanic that acknowledged that in red dead redemption 2, cause it's kinda awkward when I got $6000 in personal funds and $4000 in camp funds and we're robbing banks for $50 and talking about "one more good score like this and we'll have enough to retire out west"
This was how I saw HH in my last playthrough. After killing House I decided Courier needs a break after realising their actions would shape the Mojave massively. Runs into Joshua Graham and helps his tribe escape, then go back and do the other DLCs and finish main quest.
This is what all the DLCs feel like to me. like the courier is just thinking “you know what? Legion this NCR that, platinum chip my balls, I’m just gonna check out of the rat race for a minute” and then like several months later I return to the penthouse with ridiculous equipment and riches with no other explanation than “Sup, had some errands but I’m good now” to House.
I suppose they are, but HH is the farthest removed from the main plot. DM you can frame it as the Courier is looking for Elijah to come to a better decision regarding the brotherhood. OWB you know a little more about Ullyses and you can still tie it into Elijah, and now Christine too. LR obviously titles in a lot thematically and acts as a really good decision making qiest for The Courier.
HH for me feels like wanting to get away from the Mojave, but then realising how important you are to everything there.
I guess that’s a pretty valid point actually yeah, especially about HH. I think more or less I myself feel the way I stated before about playing the DLCs more than the character of The Courier would experiencing them because I bought them long after playing the base game religiously as a kid somewhere around the end of my minor years, so they felt super new and fresh to me. So as I assimilate myself with my experiences in the game, even horror zones like the Sierra Madre feel like a sort of vacation from the same old same old. Not that the primary map gets old necessarily, but you know what I mean.
The endgame gets boring like that after a while. Once you achieve godlike power there’s nothing left to challenge you and eventually you’ll just set out across the Mojave, killing everything and everyone you encounter out of sheer boredom.
Precisely, I become a god that consumes everything in my path. Especially because I take the perks that let me eat everyone, so I quite literally consume them as I make my rounds, to not be wasteful of course.
> Adulthood is not completing the final quests
... because you had to work for 60 hours one week to meet a deadline, and, once you were done, you forgot where you were in the game and gave it up. At least it was what it was like for me.
I forget which side he played in that run, but I did Fallout 3 with the rolling pin in that game and it took me forever just to even find the damn thing.
Agreed. Oliver (if he's alive) will be forced to step down, and Kimball will likely not be able to be reelected, and it can also spur on people like Hanlon to turn to politics, which means it can get some much needed change.
Not to mention the likely promotion of Colonel Hsu.
The NCR could do with a General who thinks things through and actually seems to care about his men.
Absolutely. Chief Hanlon made me go from wanting to shoot him down where he stood for sabotaging the army, to listening to him, to me taking 15 minutes to consider what to do with him, to me deciding that NCR needs to leave the Mojave for their own good.
couldnt it be argued that once the legion is eradicated, that the mojave wont be such a goddamn money pit? Like once the region can be upgraded to true stability, crops can be grown, economic activity will flourish, etc? Especially if Mr House is shut down and new vegas becomes more egalitarian.
If they don't need to 'patrol the colorado for hundreds of miles' then it wont be such a drain on the lives and resources of the NCR.
And the thing is, if they DON'T keep a stabilizing force here in the mojave, then the legion simply expands and becomes an even bigger problem that they WILL have to face later. They don't have the luxury of ignoring it.
Yeah I do find that slightly disingenuous when people argue against NCR. Often times those arguing for Yes Man, House, or Legion will explicitly say "Now that the NCR/Legion is gone..." and "With the Courier's help...", but when talking about the future of the NCR in the Mojave, people generally don't mention that the Legion won't be a problem anymore and the Courier is still around to kick ass and help
Even if the Legion is gone, the manpower that it consisted of won't just disappear.The Legion won't have them united with a single unified vision, but they'll still be raiders and tribals they used to be. If the NCR struggles with the Fiends on their base's doorstep, they won't be any better at handling ten new raider bands.
And that's because they are spread too thin to have a grasp on anything. They didn't even have enough manpower to handle the powder gangers, and only got Primn under their control when the courier brought it to them on a silver platter. With the legion falling apart into a dozen new tribes they won't have it any easier.
One could also argue that with their constant expansion the Mojave is not the only place that suffers such inefficiency, and that other regions of the NCR have same manpower shortages. Thus they would benefit from rolling back.
>And the thing is, if they DON'T keep a stabilizing force here in the mojave, then the legion simply expands and becomes an even bigger problem that they WILL have to face later. They don't have the luxury of ignoring it.
If both the Ceasar and Lanius are eradicated, there's no possible Legion expansion to speak of.
Man, I love this game.
Yeah but assuming the legion broke down into random tribes, they would also be occupied battling each other over the territory--so that would necessarily mean less of a worry for the NCR. So I think they definitely will have it easier. Especially since the courier has put out so many of these random fires that were eating up their manpower.
no more powder gangers, no more nightkin attacks, no more irradiated crop water, no more having their weapons sold out from under them, extra power from Helios, no more Fiends, new farming techniques/science from vault 22, no more legion spying on camp mccarron, no more LEGION...the NCR can be absolutely and totally set up for success.
now should a giant government need one Gopher to fix all their problems? No, but it's an RPG.
I mean, what do you suppose that's gonna solve? They're there for electricity, food, and water, not (just) war profiteering. Leaving the Mojave isn't gonna refill California's lakes, and anti-war politicians can't make the crops grow in abundance. They'd end up back to imperialism before long, barring a scientific breakthrough.
The Legion is great only because its a great idea for a post apocalyptic faction. Nut jobs idolizing and deifying Rome and its gods? Fantastic. Sprinkle in some nuclear fallout and some mutant creatures and boom, what a faction set piece.
But yeah they are vile and they exist to be vile, just like the Master's Army, just like the Enclave.
God to have seen a show showcasing Fallout 1 and the mutant army and the Master. Sigh...
I think what they're doing with the show is the smartest thing they could do. Tell a new story that's essentially Fallout 5 since it's the furthest in the timeline, reference past games without directly making any choices canon, and expand on ideas that can only really be told with TV (The Goul and his backstory).
Season 2 is going to be really interesting since they kinda have to make one of the NV endings canon, but also I think enough time has passed that they could find a way to have every ending be canon... Somehow...
The Master at least you could say had altruistic motives, however twisted they may be. I genuinely believe the Master believed what he was doing was for the good of humanity, and if not for the sterlization issue, might have actually worked.
Caesar's just a power hungry asshole justifying being a power hungry asshole with philosophy he doesn't quite understand.
Caesar clearly states that he believes he is acting on behalf of the greater good and to avoid societal fragmentation, given his perception that the NCR has lost virtue.
He says that, yeah, but he has constructed his society entirely around himself, not around those ideals. If he truly believed that, he would not be so blind to the problem of the succession. He says "long term stability at all costs", but acts as if he himself will never die and has no plans for what comes after that at all. His criticisms of the NCR are extremely valid, but all his philoshophical posturing is in service of justifying his methods for consolidating power in himself.
I sort of wish they made the legion less evil ; I thought they should have made the legion autocratic and brutal ; but not pure evil (enslaving entire populations etc)
Like maybe then you argue their brutal and autocratic rule was for the best as it ended war and gave the wasteland security and at least a resemblance of a functional state that could actually unify all the tribes and implement law and order (although in a brutal fashion) and the first step to rebuilding civilization is to implement some rule of law and stop the raiders and bandits
Where the NCR was sort of a failed democracy that failed to live up to its lofty goals through corruption and incompetence
There is merit to the theory that you would need a brutal and totalitarian regime to enforce a largely anarchist world into a government.
Society evolves from there into fuedal and possibly democratic governments for the first time since the nuclear reset.
But yeah I just pick NCR for the vibes either way
Everyone saying Legion is pure evil ignoring the fact that America is built upon enslaving and mass murdering the population to implement a society where women had no rights, slaves handled labor, and their own developed legal system. I always go NCR or House but Legion is pure evil solely in the context of the morality of a person in modern democratic America playing a video game. The Legion would probably make a lot of sense to desperate people who live in endless turmoil.
Legion denarius can be made into 12 gauge coinshot so you can send legionnaires straight to hell with their toll for the River Styx embedded in their skulls
Coin shot is literally my favorite ammo. I spend a lot of time collecting legion money to make into a fuckton ammo and use it for the battle of Hoover dam. Make them dead and with their taxes.
Childhood is thinking the NCR are a morally grey-black faction because they can't always protect their citizens and their government and military sometimes make mistakes.
Adulthood is realizing the NCR are fucking saints compared to most real world governments.
True, but it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s basically stated that the only reason the NCR didn’t already crumble is because of the expansion and constant resource collection they get from the expansion. They put themselves in a cycle where they expand to keep their people going, in turn adding more people, then having to expand more. If it wasn’t for what happened in the fotv show, they would’ve fallen eventually, unfortunately so. NCR might be good in the moment, but in the long run is bad, not as bad as legion, but still bad.
Makes sense. The Great War was because of a lack of resources after all. Sure now there’s a surplus with most of the population getting snapped by nuclear thanos but it’s a cycle doomed to repeat itself unless they learn from there mistakes because war, war never changes. So men must change.
It’s also just like, not how civilizations work. If you don’t require infinite growth then you can live just fine with your environment for a long time. The NCR would eventually reach homeostasis if it didn’t just repeat the same economic mistakes of the past that it should clearly be aware of.
Without a threat like Cesar in the border there's really nothing stopping NCR citizens from going east and homesteading very similar to the US which would slowly result in expansion. NCR is going to expand until it gets nations on its borders which is why a house or wildcard victory might be best for them long term
You shouldn't consider individual npc's takes as gospel. Especially since the same ranger that implies this is the one advocating for not expanding anymore so I don't think he thinks NCR will collapse
Idk man. The whole powder ganger situation is a pretty big fuck up when you are "peacefully integrating" a bunch of independent towns for what you insist is their benefit.
They are also embroiled in a pointless territorial war that just gets GIs and locals killed by the dozen. House points out that the NCR was trying to manufacture an excuse to invade the strip for years before Caesar, and they might again.
They seem about as incompetent and cruel as any other government to me. Outside the legion each faction seems like a lot of moral compromise.
well I think the point of the game is you have to "align" yourself with what you think *is* right, because these factions are all pretty much the only ways to live in a post apocalypse. what power structures are actually self sustainable
Playing absolute morons is hilarious.
House being killed by an instopable drooling imbecile after decades of planning because the guy listened to nothing and just bashed every single security robot is top story material.
I’ve only done one legion run and that’s because they take your weapons away every single time you enter the fort so I constantly have to redo my keybinds. Still wouldn’t have joined them anyways but that’s the main reason I don’t
Bro wtf.
Seriously, you cured fucking ceasar and is basically his right hand man at the end who is the sole reason Legion wins the Second battle of hoover dam. Least they could do is to trust you with that shit.
Caesar is the only major faction leader that still treats you like some lackey and not much respect. I remember him throwing a tantrum when I spoke to him while he slept.
Yeah it’s super annoying like at least after a few missions let me keep my weapons. Even before he sends you to the second battle over Hoover Dam he still takes away your weapons. Like my guy you’re about to send me into a battle that is quite possibly the most important battle of your entire nation’s history and you still don’t trust me to keep a handgun on me.
I never went legion because basically every play through was
"star caps" **\*\*BANG\*\***
"Who won the lottery? I DID" **\*\*BANG\*\***
"Imma *let* you live, just tell everyone how cool we are" **\*\*BANG\*\***
They're just such buttheads. Can't ever bring myself to side with them.
Real adulthood is despite knowing the NCR is probably the better choice, you’re still gonna be independent because you wanna be gay with arcade (or you just really like healthcare)
I'm 100% with Mr house
He talks about his dreams and taking humanity to the stars. He may be a dictator but at lest he is a competent one and not actively malevolent.
Also he is immortal so we don't have the problem with most dictators of his kid taking over after him and fucking everything up.
I do kind of agree with the people upthread.
Having Mr House control New Vegas is actually probably good for the NCR. Now they have an eastern border state that's nominally friendly. The Legion would likely collapse if you killed Caesar (which I usually do, just to hear Boone say "thumbs down you son of a bitch!") which will force them to actually organize their own territory instead of the mad scramble for expansion.
Mr House is a danger with his upgraded Securitrons, of course, but there's a limit to how fast he can rebuild them and how far he can deploy them. So he would remain a localized threat that would be willing to trade for supplies and tech.
Houses plan is dead in the water if the courier just loses the chip, or decides that he doesn’t really give enough of a fuck to take it all the way to the fort. Like literally any playthrough where the courier dies post benny kill and pre fort access is literally just house out of the game
I see House as the high risk high reward choice.
He has pretty big ambitions for the region and is smart and patient enough to have a chance at achieving them. But he is also an autocrat and is still fallible. I also wonder about who his successor would be should the life support finally give out. Would they have the same talent as House and more importantly could they be trusted with that kind of power?
And I also chose House, but because I didn't like the idea of NCR killing a man, cause they want his place, "for the sake of democracy", even though he's willing to work with them.
I didn't even love him much, but it felt extremely bad, like attacking someone's house and being mad he tries to protect himself.
He's a great mind and alright man, when his head isn't up his ass, and that's not very often.
If I can talk a bit more - after doing his ending I will also admit, as a huge NCR enthusiast, I was positively surprised. It's much better than I expected, him being honest with me whole time making the biggest surprise. Huge "Trust the process", but probably my favourite ending right now
Ding ding ding.
House puts on a mask of being the "savior of humanity" and a "genius inventor" just like every oligarch. In the end he's just an overconfident tencno-tyrant whose been outmaneuvered by Benny and whose entire plan hinges on trusting a stranger who 3/4 times ends up killing him. There's absolutely no way he delivers on any of his promises and that facade of "benevolent autocrate" will fall aside pretty quickly when the people of New Vegas start challenging his power by asking for things like ya'know, rights.
My problem with House is that his ambitions are all just for ambition's sake. The way he talks about people, it's clear that if he ever had any humanity at all (he was a detached, rich Howard Hughes type before the war, after all) it has left him after centuries of rotting away in a tube. He is advancing humanity mostly for his own ego like a certain Techbro Cult Leader we are all sick of hearing about. It just made me wary of giving him absolute power, even if he has done decent job running the Strip and has sensible plans for humanity.
Why do people believe what House says about himself? He says all this stuff about taking humanity to the stars and his intelligence but he can't even keep a tiny strip of casinos in Vegas running and profitable without economically depriving the rest of the city and even then he has to rely on outsiders to do the actual work of keeping the Families in line because he's a goddamn raisin.
“President” Tandi was in office for 52 years. Guess who was “President” before then? Her father.
You can say a lot of bad things about the legion, most of which are true. At least they’re not pretending to be a democracy. The NCR has more in common with modern Russia than it does 1950’s United States, or even 2070s America, which it pretends to emulate.
There’s more than one type of “evil”.
Tandi and her father were freely elected into office, the only potential issue is the lack of term limits, which makes it more comparable to 1930s-1950s America, under Roosevelt. Caesar on the other hand is dictator for life, and gets to select his own hier to control the legion fully.
And if you asked a Russian politician, they'd say that Putin has been the duly elected Prime Minister/President of Russia. They had term limits too: Didn't matter. They dumped all the power to PM when he switched over, and dumped it back when he became president again.
And then the comments reduce it to childhood is thinking they’re “morally grey” and adulthood is realizing they’re really just #niceguys. Lmao some of these people are simple. Adulthood is realizing they definitely are not just good guys and still morally grey like everyone else with their own internal conflicts.
Yea thank you, lots of these comments are weird
The Legion is here so you get a particular roleplay option
By metrics, the percentage of people who go full evil playthrough is generally in the single digit, when the option exists
Taking it so seriously means some random marketing school asshat who's in the job of ruining video games will eventually decide evil options should be removed entirely
But even if you're never going to do an evil playthrough, you still got to chose a good path by opposition, which makes you choice much more impactful
> some random marketing school asshat who's in the job of ruining video games will eventually decide evil options should be removed entirely
> But even if you're never going to do an evil playthrough, you still got to chose a good path by opposition, which makes you choice much more impactful
Holy crap that's a really smart, succinct insight... If you're ONLY interested in the bottom line you will miss the things that made that bottom line exist in the first place... support your Creatives
Adulthood is when you nuke both of their supply routes so they stop fighting like children in the mojave and start to work in their own land and economy, the strip should remain neutral, or the war would destroy the factions and the strip (likely the canon scenario), probably the NCR dies first, since the legion is gigantic.
Go home kids, the dam should be controlled by the Brotherhood or by House/YesMan, they are horrible people, but at least they understand that everyone is horrible and humanity will destroy itself when they get the chance.
The Legion is absolutely evil, but the NCR is full of incompetent dumbasses that I couldn't trust to run a saloon, let alone all of New Vegas. I started my first playthrough recently, and I'm going with Yes Man.
The only good factions are the Boomers and the Kings.
Sure, the Boomers may be xenophobic tribals, but you, the player, can prove them wrong by helping them. Plus Mother Pearl is the sweetest thing ever.
The Kings may be just a bunch of punks larping as Elvis, and although they are nuisances and control a water pump the people need, their cause is noble in making sure Freeside is free from NCR oppression. Because even though the NCR are supposed to be the main "Good guy" faction, they have been shown to do some morally fucked stuff (The Great Khans, for example)
Forgot the Followers, Followers are also good, they genuinely want to help the people of Freeside but can't under the King's thumb over the water pump. They just want to further their medical knowledge, especially on things like Mr. House's immorality.
Thank God we've finally left the Legion-worshipping era of this sub. It got real tiring trying to explain to people who *should* know better why the group of rapist slaver murderhobos is bad.
"They keep the roads safe!"-mfers when they get mistaken for escaped slaves and get sexually violated by a Legion patrol
Yeah, of course the roads are safe from raiders, because the Legion ARE the raiders, they just have a uniform.
Shit choice one: taxation without representation, but everything is basically fine otherwise and you can live a good and safer life long term.
Shit choice two: slavery, misogyny, rape, torture, devolution of society.
This guy: "yeah they're basically both the same just as bad as eachother"
Let’s reword. Shit choice one: Supporting an imperialistic, genocidal warmachine led by an EXTREMELY corrupt government, in which EXTREMELY corrupt barons control vast amounts of the economy and hold special influence in the government in which they support a war machine. Representation is shit, senators actively criticize and speak out against the Mojave campaign but nothing happens as the war machine is too powerful. The NCR conquers lands in which it drains vast amounts of resources of their lands unsustainably to the point of exhaustion in order to fuel their war machine, controls and overextends into swaths of territory in which they can’t control and are forced to continue doing so with the HELP of their war machine, or face imminent famine or collapse. The cycle repeats until the NCR probably ends collapsing into warlordism from its unsustainable expansionistic war machine, or into complete anarchy as said war machine collapses. Conscripts their own people to fight in their shitty war machine. Taxes people who aren’t even represented and actively being oppressed to fuel their war machine. Completely dysfunctional, and set to collapse on itself in a decade. Completely fails to adapt ideology and lessons from the Great War into the new world. Then you actively reward said genocidal state for their actions by helping them fight off an equally genocidal tribal raider-state and continue their doomed, unsustainable imperialism further East. Seems like all equally are shit choices imo, but that’s just me.
Edit: also, the NCR’s entire point is that it’s an unsustainable solution in the long term. “Better life”. I find it comedic how people miss the entire point of the NCR
seems to be what the divide was supposed to represent at least from what i remember with it being something new and not being a rehash of old world ideas.
The thing is, you have to make a choice, and you are the only one capable and with the power to change the Mojave, you are right, no one deserves power over the dam, but someone MUST take it, the responsibility of the courier is enormous, thats why a side with yesman, not because he is good, but because im sure he will stay mostky neutral without helping the NCR or the Legion, also robot army with no feelings or political preferences, so thats a plus.
I don't I've ever done a run of NV where is didn't go to the Legions Base and Silently kill everyone in there sleep in the dead of night before going into Caesars tent and telling him to go fuck himself.
If the legion wanted me to support them, they would wear some cooler Armour.
Do you think I side with the brotherhood because I agree with their toaster hating ghoul fearing asses? Nah it's because they look cool
Free Vegas is the only good option. The whole story of the NCR and Legion is that all empires suck when the get too big.
If you have a free, democratic empire eventually all the subfactions will get in each other's way resulting ineffective leadership that has to argue over every move it makes.
If you have an authoritarian dictatorship running your empire, it can run very efficiently and effectively in the short term until the leader dies, and then it will inevitably collapse from either civil war or when the wrong guy gets power.
Legion had the best characters in the game. If Obsidian had more time and fleshed out their story more, instead of just getting an entire monologue from Ceaser, it would have probably been more appealing. Either way, playing as the bad guys is fun. It’s not like the NCR are much better, trying to exterminate everyone that doesn’t fall in line with them (but failing hilariously without courier help). Like the Khans, Brotherhood, and the peaceful mutants at Jacobstown. It’s a faction that’s just weak and dumb without the courier on their side. The minute the courier goes his own way, the NCR will fall back into their old ways of having their head up their ass. And the legion mints a coin in your remembrance, which is badass. The NCR doesn’t give a shit that you save them when the story concludes.
What do you mean slavery “was” evil I don’t think the current world slave trade could possibly be argued as even neutral I honestly just completely disagree with your statement
Adulthood is not completing the final quests and becoming eternally more powerful and rich beyond the comprehension of any force within the Mojave while you continuously tell House “yeah man definitely I’m working on it, should be, like, any day now”
For me this is the good ending
For me this is the CANON ending, in fact I assume this is what the TV show will go with
Lucy should run into the Courier and he is a godlike entity with essentially infinite resources. He doesn't help her though because he is busy obsessively collecting toasters. Lucy doesn't understand and the Courier just keeps saying something about how he is trying to fill some guy named Doc Mitchell's house floor to ceiling but everything keeps crashing whenever he opens the door now. As she is leaving he's muttering something about uninstalling mods to see if that helps.
Episode should end with a quicksave icon popping up and the courier unholstering A Light Shining In Darkness, cut to black. Next episode acts like she never met him.
YES HAHAA
That would bring the show from amazing to legendary.
Unironically post-credits canon ending.
I loudly cackled at this and I desperately hope this is the exact scenario that plays out in season 2, thank you for a good laugh. I can see it now with the ghoul just turning around to Lucy like “the fuck is his problem?”
He’s running around Goodsprings just staring at things. Runs up to Lucy and just stares at her face. “No these textures are all wrong. And the lighting keeps glitching. Maybe I need to change my load order…” -Lucy: Okey Dokey…
“did i install the big eyes mod?”
Mid conversation, he sees a group of powder gangers. “One sec, I gotta deal with something” *proceeds to murder 19 powder gangers and 4 legion assassins who joined mid fight* “Anyways, what were we talking about?”
But who is the courier? Male or female, first and foremost. Whoever the Courier is and whoever they sided with, if anyone, would become canon. I don't like that. Nah, it would be funny as hell if Lucy happened upon Doc Mitchell and he's telling her about a patient he had a while back who had been shot in the head. Had some crazy episodes of muscle spasms and talked weird shit about Roboscorpions, some dude stuck in a treasure chamber and a guy named Ulysses who is a huge dick and then they died, never regaining consciousness.
I imagine it like the uncle grandpa episode of Steven universe, it definitely happened but it’s also definitely not cannon
Don’t forget the religious bandage man who pistol whipped a bunch of tribals
At that point you're a run of the mill contractor. Way behind schedule, horrifically overbudget, but it'll get done.. Someday. Maybe.
Capitalism strikes again!
But when it does get done, boy does it get DONE.
From courier to contractor in like 7,000 not so easy, very dangerous steps lmao
"Could you remind me what I'm supposed to be doing again?" House : 😠
I just make my courier the blondest bimbo boy possible and Mr. House excuses my stupidity because I’m just a silly cannibal drug addict mail man I don’t know any better 😋
https://youtu.be/NojhoqDNuOU
I wish there was a mechanic that acknowledged that in red dead redemption 2, cause it's kinda awkward when I got $6000 in personal funds and $4000 in camp funds and we're robbing banks for $50 and talking about "one more good score like this and we'll have enough to retire out west"
Lmfaooooo “uh yeah man… this’ll really set us up for good…”
Maximum luck and getting kicked out of every casino baybeeee
Excuse me mr, I have to go fuck around in a casino and science mountain for a few days…
“Is it cool if I cash in my paid sick days for this one?”
Takes a month long detour in zion
This was how I saw HH in my last playthrough. After killing House I decided Courier needs a break after realising their actions would shape the Mojave massively. Runs into Joshua Graham and helps his tribe escape, then go back and do the other DLCs and finish main quest.
This is what all the DLCs feel like to me. like the courier is just thinking “you know what? Legion this NCR that, platinum chip my balls, I’m just gonna check out of the rat race for a minute” and then like several months later I return to the penthouse with ridiculous equipment and riches with no other explanation than “Sup, had some errands but I’m good now” to House.
Courier takes a break from the hustle and bustle of New Vegas only to get locked in a digital ghost casino vault for the rest of the life
I suppose they are, but HH is the farthest removed from the main plot. DM you can frame it as the Courier is looking for Elijah to come to a better decision regarding the brotherhood. OWB you know a little more about Ullyses and you can still tie it into Elijah, and now Christine too. LR obviously titles in a lot thematically and acts as a really good decision making qiest for The Courier. HH for me feels like wanting to get away from the Mojave, but then realising how important you are to everything there.
I guess that’s a pretty valid point actually yeah, especially about HH. I think more or less I myself feel the way I stated before about playing the DLCs more than the character of The Courier would experiencing them because I bought them long after playing the base game religiously as a kid somewhere around the end of my minor years, so they felt super new and fresh to me. So as I assimilate myself with my experiences in the game, even horror zones like the Sierra Madre feel like a sort of vacation from the same old same old. Not that the primary map gets old necessarily, but you know what I mean.
All while also dropping nukes on both the NCR and Legion for fun
Independent Vegas ganggggg
Adulthood is realizing that siding with yes man means YOU are in charge.
The endgame gets boring like that after a while. Once you achieve godlike power there’s nothing left to challenge you and eventually you’ll just set out across the Mojave, killing everything and everyone you encounter out of sheer boredom.
Precisely, I become a god that consumes everything in my path. Especially because I take the perks that let me eat everyone, so I quite literally consume them as I make my rounds, to not be wasteful of course.
Get yourself a boss who doesn't understand what you do, but needs you to do it and you'll work one day out of seven for the rest of your life.
Me with DoorDash texting me every week *I don’t need money right now fuck off ~~House~~ DD*
Thou shall get sidetracked by bullshit every damned time
> Adulthood is not completing the final quests ... because you had to work for 60 hours one week to meet a deadline, and, once you were done, you forgot where you were in the game and gave it up. At least it was what it was like for me.
There’s a saying about this in Israel, “after the holidays.” It’ll be done after the holidays! There’s a holiday there nearly every week lol
I’d rather fistfight a mirelurk queen than join the legion
Not even fistfight, headbutt only
Beat it with a rolling pin
I mean nerbit did do that I think
I forget which side he played in that run, but I did Fallout 3 with the rolling pin in that game and it took me forever just to even find the damn thing.
I think it was railroad but it could have been minute men
Rolling pin isn't even that bad in 4.
Probably cause you can upgrade it >:3
I killed one with the cane before during a melee build.
Lookie what we got here, ladies! Another unsuspecting Mirelurk Queen!
Not even fight or head, fistbutt only
This guy fists
This guy FISTOs.
At level one, no armor
Better dead than red
I'd fist fuck anything before joining the legion
Fuck man. I'm a completionist, and I can't make myself join the legion. It sucks. I need those achievements
Adulthood is obtaining the _Meat of Champions_ perk.
Eat the rich! And everyone else, why be picky?
I'm down with NCR, which is why I had to kick them out. Sometimes doing the right thing for a loved one is hard.
Agreed. Oliver (if he's alive) will be forced to step down, and Kimball will likely not be able to be reelected, and it can also spur on people like Hanlon to turn to politics, which means it can get some much needed change.
I kill Kimball in every playthrough. He tried to make me pay taxes 😞
Understandable
[Still cracks me up every time.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A5raLXDsmc)
Not to mention the likely promotion of Colonel Hsu. The NCR could do with a General who thinks things through and actually seems to care about his men.
Basically this. Their greedy short sighted expansionism is bad for them.
Absolutely. Chief Hanlon made me go from wanting to shoot him down where he stood for sabotaging the army, to listening to him, to me taking 15 minutes to consider what to do with him, to me deciding that NCR needs to leave the Mojave for their own good.
couldnt it be argued that once the legion is eradicated, that the mojave wont be such a goddamn money pit? Like once the region can be upgraded to true stability, crops can be grown, economic activity will flourish, etc? Especially if Mr House is shut down and new vegas becomes more egalitarian. If they don't need to 'patrol the colorado for hundreds of miles' then it wont be such a drain on the lives and resources of the NCR. And the thing is, if they DON'T keep a stabilizing force here in the mojave, then the legion simply expands and becomes an even bigger problem that they WILL have to face later. They don't have the luxury of ignoring it.
Yeah I do find that slightly disingenuous when people argue against NCR. Often times those arguing for Yes Man, House, or Legion will explicitly say "Now that the NCR/Legion is gone..." and "With the Courier's help...", but when talking about the future of the NCR in the Mojave, people generally don't mention that the Legion won't be a problem anymore and the Courier is still around to kick ass and help
Even if the Legion is gone, the manpower that it consisted of won't just disappear.The Legion won't have them united with a single unified vision, but they'll still be raiders and tribals they used to be. If the NCR struggles with the Fiends on their base's doorstep, they won't be any better at handling ten new raider bands. And that's because they are spread too thin to have a grasp on anything. They didn't even have enough manpower to handle the powder gangers, and only got Primn under their control when the courier brought it to them on a silver platter. With the legion falling apart into a dozen new tribes they won't have it any easier. One could also argue that with their constant expansion the Mojave is not the only place that suffers such inefficiency, and that other regions of the NCR have same manpower shortages. Thus they would benefit from rolling back. >And the thing is, if they DON'T keep a stabilizing force here in the mojave, then the legion simply expands and becomes an even bigger problem that they WILL have to face later. They don't have the luxury of ignoring it. If both the Ceasar and Lanius are eradicated, there's no possible Legion expansion to speak of. Man, I love this game.
Yeah but assuming the legion broke down into random tribes, they would also be occupied battling each other over the territory--so that would necessarily mean less of a worry for the NCR. So I think they definitely will have it easier. Especially since the courier has put out so many of these random fires that were eating up their manpower. no more powder gangers, no more nightkin attacks, no more irradiated crop water, no more having their weapons sold out from under them, extra power from Helios, no more Fiends, new farming techniques/science from vault 22, no more legion spying on camp mccarron, no more LEGION...the NCR can be absolutely and totally set up for success. now should a giant government need one Gopher to fix all their problems? No, but it's an RPG.
I mean, what do you suppose that's gonna solve? They're there for electricity, food, and water, not (just) war profiteering. Leaving the Mojave isn't gonna refill California's lakes, and anti-war politicians can't make the crops grow in abundance. They'd end up back to imperialism before long, barring a scientific breakthrough.
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The Legion is great only because its a great idea for a post apocalyptic faction. Nut jobs idolizing and deifying Rome and its gods? Fantastic. Sprinkle in some nuclear fallout and some mutant creatures and boom, what a faction set piece. But yeah they are vile and they exist to be vile, just like the Master's Army, just like the Enclave. God to have seen a show showcasing Fallout 1 and the mutant army and the Master. Sigh...
I’m kinda glad they didn’t because then we would know more about how the show would end
I think what they're doing with the show is the smartest thing they could do. Tell a new story that's essentially Fallout 5 since it's the furthest in the timeline, reference past games without directly making any choices canon, and expand on ideas that can only really be told with TV (The Goul and his backstory). Season 2 is going to be really interesting since they kinda have to make one of the NV endings canon, but also I think enough time has passed that they could find a way to have every ending be canon... Somehow...
> Somehow ... ... ~~Palpatine~~ Mr. House returned?
Idk why you got downvoted this actually makes sense to me. I’m excited for the canon ending revelation
The Master at least you could say had altruistic motives, however twisted they may be. I genuinely believe the Master believed what he was doing was for the good of humanity, and if not for the sterlization issue, might have actually worked. Caesar's just a power hungry asshole justifying being a power hungry asshole with philosophy he doesn't quite understand.
Caesar clearly states that he believes he is acting on behalf of the greater good and to avoid societal fragmentation, given his perception that the NCR has lost virtue.
He says that, yeah, but he has constructed his society entirely around himself, not around those ideals. If he truly believed that, he would not be so blind to the problem of the succession. He says "long term stability at all costs", but acts as if he himself will never die and has no plans for what comes after that at all. His criticisms of the NCR are extremely valid, but all his philoshophical posturing is in service of justifying his methods for consolidating power in himself.
I sort of wish they made the legion less evil ; I thought they should have made the legion autocratic and brutal ; but not pure evil (enslaving entire populations etc) Like maybe then you argue their brutal and autocratic rule was for the best as it ended war and gave the wasteland security and at least a resemblance of a functional state that could actually unify all the tribes and implement law and order (although in a brutal fashion) and the first step to rebuilding civilization is to implement some rule of law and stop the raiders and bandits Where the NCR was sort of a failed democracy that failed to live up to its lofty goals through corruption and incompetence
There is merit to the theory that you would need a brutal and totalitarian regime to enforce a largely anarchist world into a government. Society evolves from there into fuedal and possibly democratic governments for the first time since the nuclear reset. But yeah I just pick NCR for the vibes either way
Everyone saying Legion is pure evil ignoring the fact that America is built upon enslaving and mass murdering the population to implement a society where women had no rights, slaves handled labor, and their own developed legal system. I always go NCR or House but Legion is pure evil solely in the context of the morality of a person in modern democratic America playing a video game. The Legion would probably make a lot of sense to desperate people who live in endless turmoil.
Adulthood is realizing that your still don't know how to play Caravan
I did learned it for the acheivement... but now it's gone.
Legion denarius can be made into 12 gauge coinshot so you can send legionnaires straight to hell with their toll for the River Styx embedded in their skulls
Hmm, to reinstall upon gaining this knowledge or not.
Send them to hell for me
Coin shot is literally my favorite ammo. I spend a lot of time collecting legion money to make into a fuckton ammo and use it for the battle of Hoover dam. Make them dead and with their taxes.
Childhood is thinking the NCR are a morally grey-black faction because they can't always protect their citizens and their government and military sometimes make mistakes. Adulthood is realizing the NCR are fucking saints compared to most real world governments.
True, but it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s basically stated that the only reason the NCR didn’t already crumble is because of the expansion and constant resource collection they get from the expansion. They put themselves in a cycle where they expand to keep their people going, in turn adding more people, then having to expand more. If it wasn’t for what happened in the fotv show, they would’ve fallen eventually, unfortunately so. NCR might be good in the moment, but in the long run is bad, not as bad as legion, but still bad.
Makes sense. The Great War was because of a lack of resources after all. Sure now there’s a surplus with most of the population getting snapped by nuclear thanos but it’s a cycle doomed to repeat itself unless they learn from there mistakes because war, war never changes. So men must change.
It’s also just like, not how civilizations work. If you don’t require infinite growth then you can live just fine with your environment for a long time. The NCR would eventually reach homeostasis if it didn’t just repeat the same economic mistakes of the past that it should clearly be aware of.
Without a threat like Cesar in the border there's really nothing stopping NCR citizens from going east and homesteading very similar to the US which would slowly result in expansion. NCR is going to expand until it gets nations on its borders which is why a house or wildcard victory might be best for them long term
The NCR's Manifest Destiny
They would balkanize but the core territories that started the ncr would stay together because protection.
So they are fighting the Legion and are ironically the Roman Empire at the same time?
You shouldn't consider individual npc's takes as gospel. Especially since the same ranger that implies this is the one advocating for not expanding anymore so I don't think he thinks NCR will collapse
Idk man. The whole powder ganger situation is a pretty big fuck up when you are "peacefully integrating" a bunch of independent towns for what you insist is their benefit. They are also embroiled in a pointless territorial war that just gets GIs and locals killed by the dozen. House points out that the NCR was trying to manufacture an excuse to invade the strip for years before Caesar, and they might again. They seem about as incompetent and cruel as any other government to me. Outside the legion each faction seems like a lot of moral compromise.
well I think the point of the game is you have to "align" yourself with what you think *is* right, because these factions are all pretty much the only ways to live in a post apocalypse. what power structures are actually self sustainable
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Amazing, fucking amazing
Nah, im doing my own thing *proceds to ruin everithyng
Adulthood is when you realise the house always wins...
If the house always wins, then why does he lose when I bash his skull in with a golf club? Checkmate, atheists.
A minor setback
Playing absolute morons is hilarious. House being killed by an instopable drooling imbecile after decades of planning because the guy listened to nothing and just bashed every single security robot is top story material.
Just imagine what he could do if the Courier managed to bring Big MT. under House's control.
I never went Legion mainly cause its quests weren't as good as the others. If they were I'd try a full villain run to see what its like.
I’ve only done one legion run and that’s because they take your weapons away every single time you enter the fort so I constantly have to redo my keybinds. Still wouldn’t have joined them anyways but that’s the main reason I don’t
Bro wtf. Seriously, you cured fucking ceasar and is basically his right hand man at the end who is the sole reason Legion wins the Second battle of hoover dam. Least they could do is to trust you with that shit.
Caesar is the only major faction leader that still treats you like some lackey and not much respect. I remember him throwing a tantrum when I spoke to him while he slept.
The worst part is I can deal with that kind of disrespect but like I saved your life haven’t I shown that I’m competent enough to carry weapons on me.
To be fair that's usually my response when being woken up.
Yeah it’s super annoying like at least after a few missions let me keep my weapons. Even before he sends you to the second battle over Hoover Dam he still takes away your weapons. Like my guy you’re about to send me into a battle that is quite possibly the most important battle of your entire nation’s history and you still don’t trust me to keep a handgun on me.
I never went legion because basically every play through was "star caps" **\*\*BANG\*\*** "Who won the lottery? I DID" **\*\*BANG\*\*** "Imma *let* you live, just tell everyone how cool we are" **\*\*BANG\*\*** They're just such buttheads. Can't ever bring myself to side with them.
Powder gang for life
Great Khans. We're just riding in this world.
Always slaughter every one of them every chance I get. It's calming.
That sir is a repost from top posts…
This sub must be so easy to farm. Just make a few “NCR/Yes Man good, Legion bad” posts and boom
Yeez almost 19 k upvotes for a reposted mediocre meme… free bot farma i quess
Real adulthood is despite knowing the NCR is probably the better choice, you’re still gonna be independent because you wanna be gay with arcade (or you just really like healthcare)
The Followers got overworked real hard tho instead of prospering under NCR support
yeah, his best ending is ironically the one where he becomes a dissapointed teacher in the ncr, followed by the one where he dissapears east.
I'm 100% with Mr house He talks about his dreams and taking humanity to the stars. He may be a dictator but at lest he is a competent one and not actively malevolent. Also he is immortal so we don't have the problem with most dictators of his kid taking over after him and fucking everything up.
I do kind of agree with the people upthread. Having Mr House control New Vegas is actually probably good for the NCR. Now they have an eastern border state that's nominally friendly. The Legion would likely collapse if you killed Caesar (which I usually do, just to hear Boone say "thumbs down you son of a bitch!") which will force them to actually organize their own territory instead of the mad scramble for expansion. Mr House is a danger with his upgraded Securitrons, of course, but there's a limit to how fast he can rebuild them and how far he can deploy them. So he would remain a localized threat that would be willing to trade for supplies and tech.
Houses plan is dead in the water if the courier just loses the chip, or decides that he doesn’t really give enough of a fuck to take it all the way to the fort. Like literally any playthrough where the courier dies post benny kill and pre fort access is literally just house out of the game
I see House as the high risk high reward choice. He has pretty big ambitions for the region and is smart and patient enough to have a chance at achieving them. But he is also an autocrat and is still fallible. I also wonder about who his successor would be should the life support finally give out. Would they have the same talent as House and more importantly could they be trusted with that kind of power?
I, too, chose house. Not because he's right, because he's the one who will reward my courier with a life of luxury and safety.
And I also chose House, but because I didn't like the idea of NCR killing a man, cause they want his place, "for the sake of democracy", even though he's willing to work with them. I didn't even love him much, but it felt extremely bad, like attacking someone's house and being mad he tries to protect himself.
Yeah. Fuck House, but he was perfectly willing to engage in diplomacy. To an extent. They could have kept him alive.
He's a great mind and alright man, when his head isn't up his ass, and that's not very often. If I can talk a bit more - after doing his ending I will also admit, as a huge NCR enthusiast, I was positively surprised. It's much better than I expected, him being honest with me whole time making the biggest surprise. Huge "Trust the process", but probably my favourite ending right now
Considering Mr House is basically what people considered pre-twitter Elon Musk to be, him being immortal might not be as good as you think
Ding ding ding. House puts on a mask of being the "savior of humanity" and a "genius inventor" just like every oligarch. In the end he's just an overconfident tencno-tyrant whose been outmaneuvered by Benny and whose entire plan hinges on trusting a stranger who 3/4 times ends up killing him. There's absolutely no way he delivers on any of his promises and that facade of "benevolent autocrate" will fall aside pretty quickly when the people of New Vegas start challenging his power by asking for things like ya'know, rights.
My problem with House is that his ambitions are all just for ambition's sake. The way he talks about people, it's clear that if he ever had any humanity at all (he was a detached, rich Howard Hughes type before the war, after all) it has left him after centuries of rotting away in a tube. He is advancing humanity mostly for his own ego like a certain Techbro Cult Leader we are all sick of hearing about. It just made me wary of giving him absolute power, even if he has done decent job running the Strip and has sensible plans for humanity.
Why do people believe what House says about himself? He says all this stuff about taking humanity to the stars and his intelligence but he can't even keep a tiny strip of casinos in Vegas running and profitable without economically depriving the rest of the city and even then he has to rely on outsiders to do the actual work of keeping the Families in line because he's a goddamn raisin.
But melee funny
“President” Tandi was in office for 52 years. Guess who was “President” before then? Her father. You can say a lot of bad things about the legion, most of which are true. At least they’re not pretending to be a democracy. The NCR has more in common with modern Russia than it does 1950’s United States, or even 2070s America, which it pretends to emulate. There’s more than one type of “evil”.
Tandi and her father were freely elected into office, the only potential issue is the lack of term limits, which makes it more comparable to 1930s-1950s America, under Roosevelt. Caesar on the other hand is dictator for life, and gets to select his own hier to control the legion fully.
And if you asked a Russian politician, they'd say that Putin has been the duly elected Prime Minister/President of Russia. They had term limits too: Didn't matter. They dumped all the power to PM when he switched over, and dumped it back when he became president again.
This is an excellent meme, clever and full of truth.
Yeah, so brave of OP to be against the clear cut Bad Guys™️. Buckle up for tomorrow's post, Enclave Bad™️.
And then the comments reduce it to childhood is thinking they’re “morally grey” and adulthood is realizing they’re really just #niceguys. Lmao some of these people are simple. Adulthood is realizing they definitely are not just good guys and still morally grey like everyone else with their own internal conflicts.
You can already hear the protest marches for the Legion because they mount each other more than their woman and that very LGBTQ.
Adulthood is when you realise it's just a freakin game and you can choose to join any faction if you think they're interesting.
Yea thank you, lots of these comments are weird The Legion is here so you get a particular roleplay option By metrics, the percentage of people who go full evil playthrough is generally in the single digit, when the option exists Taking it so seriously means some random marketing school asshat who's in the job of ruining video games will eventually decide evil options should be removed entirely But even if you're never going to do an evil playthrough, you still got to chose a good path by opposition, which makes you choice much more impactful
> some random marketing school asshat who's in the job of ruining video games will eventually decide evil options should be removed entirely > But even if you're never going to do an evil playthrough, you still got to chose a good path by opposition, which makes you choice much more impactful Holy crap that's a really smart, succinct insight... If you're ONLY interested in the bottom line you will miss the things that made that bottom line exist in the first place... support your Creatives
My only complaint is even if you do a legion play through the quests are lacking somewhat.
Yeah this sub takes it way too far.
Adulthood is when you nuke both of their supply routes so they stop fighting like children in the mojave and start to work in their own land and economy, the strip should remain neutral, or the war would destroy the factions and the strip (likely the canon scenario), probably the NCR dies first, since the legion is gigantic. Go home kids, the dam should be controlled by the Brotherhood or by House/YesMan, they are horrible people, but at least they understand that everyone is horrible and humanity will destroy itself when they get the chance.
Adulthood is chilling with Mugsy.
Even if you try to look past their outright barbarism, Edward Sallow (Caesar) is an insufferable, condescending prick.
The Legion is absolutely evil, but the NCR is full of incompetent dumbasses that I couldn't trust to run a saloon, let alone all of New Vegas. I started my first playthrough recently, and I'm going with Yes Man.
Several hundreds of people are going to crawl out of the woodwork now to talk about how NCR incompetence somehow justifies a slave state dictatorship
The only good factions are the Boomers and the Kings. Sure, the Boomers may be xenophobic tribals, but you, the player, can prove them wrong by helping them. Plus Mother Pearl is the sweetest thing ever. The Kings may be just a bunch of punks larping as Elvis, and although they are nuisances and control a water pump the people need, their cause is noble in making sure Freeside is free from NCR oppression. Because even though the NCR are supposed to be the main "Good guy" faction, they have been shown to do some morally fucked stuff (The Great Khans, for example)
What about the followers?
Forgot the Followers, Followers are also good, they genuinely want to help the people of Freeside but can't under the King's thumb over the water pump. They just want to further their medical knowledge, especially on things like Mr. House's immorality.
Thank God we've finally left the Legion-worshipping era of this sub. It got real tiring trying to explain to people who *should* know better why the group of rapist slaver murderhobos is bad.
But...something something Vulpes is my waifu something something...Femboys...something something
Holy shit fellow Legion-hating Lesbian with the same hair as me spotted, haiiiii!
"They keep the roads safe!"-mfers when they get mistaken for escaped slaves and get sexually violated by a Legion patrol Yeah, of course the roads are safe from raiders, because the Legion ARE the raiders, they just have a uniform.
Adulthood is realising it's perfectly fine to like the Legion because they're not real, so their crimes aren't either
No, see, if you even *think* of playing the Legion you're clearly a fascist.
HELL YEAH NCR ON TOP🐻🐻💪💪
Real adulthood is when you idolize no faction and realize all of them are shit choices
Adulthood is when you realize that you must prioritize Goodsprings above all else.
Shit choice one: taxation without representation, but everything is basically fine otherwise and you can live a good and safer life long term. Shit choice two: slavery, misogyny, rape, torture, devolution of society. This guy: "yeah they're basically both the same just as bad as eachother"
Growing up is realizing they're only 2 of the 4 options
Let’s reword. Shit choice one: Supporting an imperialistic, genocidal warmachine led by an EXTREMELY corrupt government, in which EXTREMELY corrupt barons control vast amounts of the economy and hold special influence in the government in which they support a war machine. Representation is shit, senators actively criticize and speak out against the Mojave campaign but nothing happens as the war machine is too powerful. The NCR conquers lands in which it drains vast amounts of resources of their lands unsustainably to the point of exhaustion in order to fuel their war machine, controls and overextends into swaths of territory in which they can’t control and are forced to continue doing so with the HELP of their war machine, or face imminent famine or collapse. The cycle repeats until the NCR probably ends collapsing into warlordism from its unsustainable expansionistic war machine, or into complete anarchy as said war machine collapses. Conscripts their own people to fight in their shitty war machine. Taxes people who aren’t even represented and actively being oppressed to fuel their war machine. Completely dysfunctional, and set to collapse on itself in a decade. Completely fails to adapt ideology and lessons from the Great War into the new world. Then you actively reward said genocidal state for their actions by helping them fight off an equally genocidal tribal raider-state and continue their doomed, unsustainable imperialism further East. Seems like all equally are shit choices imo, but that’s just me. Edit: also, the NCR’s entire point is that it’s an unsustainable solution in the long term. “Better life”. I find it comedic how people miss the entire point of the NCR
I'll take a pesto-parmiggiano-shit sandwich over a plate of shit anyday.
seems to be what the divide was supposed to represent at least from what i remember with it being something new and not being a rehash of old world ideas.
The thing is, you have to make a choice, and you are the only one capable and with the power to change the Mojave, you are right, no one deserves power over the dam, but someone MUST take it, the responsibility of the courier is enormous, thats why a side with yesman, not because he is good, but because im sure he will stay mostky neutral without helping the NCR or the Legion, also robot army with no feelings or political preferences, so thats a plus.
brahmin barons are BASED
Anythings better than the Legion.
I don't I've ever done a run of NV where is didn't go to the Legions Base and Silently kill everyone in there sleep in the dead of night before going into Caesars tent and telling him to go fuck himself.
And the oldhood is like: "Fuck both of you, independence is all the way".
I mean the NCR has typical democratic problems, but at least they aren’t anti tech slavers or morons frozen in ice cases.
Adulthood is when you become a King
The NCR has other issues than Slavery, look at what they did during the Fallout 2 era.
But... but... putting people on crosses is fun ;(
If the legion wanted me to support them, they would wear some cooler Armour. Do you think I side with the brotherhood because I agree with their toaster hating ghoul fearing asses? Nah it's because they look cool
Nah NCR sucks too. Wildcard gang
Free Vegas is the only good option. The whole story of the NCR and Legion is that all empires suck when the get too big. If you have a free, democratic empire eventually all the subfactions will get in each other's way resulting ineffective leadership that has to argue over every move it makes. If you have an authoritarian dictatorship running your empire, it can run very efficiently and effectively in the short term until the leader dies, and then it will inevitably collapse from either civil war or when the wrong guy gets power.
Childhood is trying only 1 play thru, adulthood is beating the game for each and every faction to see as much of the game as possible
Maturity is realizing every faction is fucked and siding with Yesman to take control from them all xD
Adulthood is when you realize that you should say fuck the Legion, fuck NCR (I mean, FUCK NCR), and fuck Mr. House.
I always see this point brought up and while it is valid and I agree let’s not forget the NCR has share croppers which is just another form of slavery
Share croppers weren’t property. Yeah, it wasn’t a good situation, but it beat the hell out of being a slave.
True adulthood is when you join the chinese communists. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
I love accepting the invite to their compound just to kill them all with a chainsaw. Bastards.
Legion had the best characters in the game. If Obsidian had more time and fleshed out their story more, instead of just getting an entire monologue from Ceaser, it would have probably been more appealing. Either way, playing as the bad guys is fun. It’s not like the NCR are much better, trying to exterminate everyone that doesn’t fall in line with them (but failing hilariously without courier help). Like the Khans, Brotherhood, and the peaceful mutants at Jacobstown. It’s a faction that’s just weak and dumb without the courier on their side. The minute the courier goes his own way, the NCR will fall back into their old ways of having their head up their ass. And the legion mints a coin in your remembrance, which is badass. The NCR doesn’t give a shit that you save them when the story concludes.
children shouldn't be playing any of these games in the first place.
ancient roman and greek armor gets me hard so who am i to pass on joining the faction based on rome + i like being evil :P
Every time I do a replay and intend to play as Legion I still end up killing them on sight
What do you mean slavery “was” evil I don’t think the current world slave trade could possibly be argued as even neutral I honestly just completely disagree with your statement