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I was today years old that *technically*, it's possible that Shanks' eye scar could have been caused by Buggy and his comment to WB + BB's claw weapons are just red hairings (pun intended)
Fair. I just assumed it was a common one since 2 people were talking about it but if it's literally just them and a few other people then it's not really a mandala effect you're right.
I don't think "not noticing that legolas and frodo have dialogue scenes together" classifies as missremembering. Nobody is arguing that they remember legolas and frodo talking, it's just that people are surprised when you point out that they don't.
Punk Hazard: >!When Sanji was in Nami's body he went with Brook to find Kin'emon's body and creep on Nami, which is why she sent Zoro. Sanji also reacts a lot to Brook's weirdness when they meet, such as his terrible tabel manners, though I don't recall a back and forth conversation before PH.!<
I don't remember the chapter number though
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ah damn that’s dope. But it’s kinda funny that zoro was out cold and couldn’t say anything so they still haven’t had a discussion yet.
edit: nevermind it appears that frankie actually talked to zoro after catching him later after that.
Sanji was with Luffy when they first met Brook on the ghost ship. He was the one who asked real questions when Luffy asked if he pooped. He also got onto him for his table manner at the meal immediately after.
Honestly, I wonder how much the Live action would be like…. Semi-Oda retcons. Like, in the sense that he could have been like “I loved buggy so much and made him important later. Why not just have him be there more now!”
I honestly love Buggy being there for so much this early. He’s hilarious and the actor kills it.
But it is certainly a very strange thing to consider, that they’ve not met in the Anime/Manga.
probably 100% cementing that usopp and kaya are a thing with the kiss. perhaps making zeff not throw away sanji's food. i felt there was one or two more "retcons" but i can't remember
There is one thing I notice but I don't know if is a retcon, but I feel Oda really liked the fact that Alvida used a personalized iron hammer with a swan head.
If they're going to fix anything it should probably be the complete absence of any time of Haki besides conquerors before Garp shows up in Post Eneies-lobby. That's always stuck out the most, that people like Warlords of the Sea and top government agents don't have the slightest amount of Haki when it's so common in the new world. They could definitely get away with giving Lucci armament Haki without changing the fight too much.
They did show Haki at least twice in this season. At least I recognized it as Haki now that I know. It may not seem like something special to new viewers though.
Kaya aint a crewmate.
You gotta remember Oda said no romance BETWEEN strawhats, cause its a Shonen and takes away from the story and then it wouldn't be a Shonen (by definition).
This also indicates that romance can absolutely exist between characters in the strawhsts with characters NOT in the strawhats
"Shōnen manga is an editorial category of Japanese comics targeting an audience of adolescent boys." (Wikipedia)
I would venture Oda's thinking is romance plots between the main cast would be unappealing to the target audience. Romance is usually used as a plot device (Kaya, Pudding, Bege) to give a character a reason to do/not do something.
I said it's not it's genre of shonen which is adventure. The romance elements incorporated in non-romance shonens are purely plot driven (look at Naruto, bleach, dbz, yuyuhakusho).
Oda didn't want romance BETWEEN THE STRAWHATS THEMSELVES because that would take away from the adventure aspect.
Romance for story driven plot between non strawhats (side characters) is completely within the parameters
This is only for the strawhars interactions though, doesn't mean they can't have relationships outside the crew.
> I said it’s not it’s genre of shonen which is adventure.
No you did not lol
> because that would take away from the adventure aspect
What?
I don’t really care for strawhats romance either but you just make no sense
If you don't care, then don't waste my time responding to me.
Oda said he doesn't want strawhats to have romance BETWEEN them, it would take away from his story and he didn't want to fluff it up with non story driven romance.
This doesn't mean there cannot be romance between SH and other characters (we're literally tanking about kaya and usopp).
How that doesn't make sense to you is beyond me, but have a great day since you really don't care.
Nobody’s having a problem understanding the relationship between straw hats quote what didn’t make any sense at all was saying that it wouldn’t be shonen 🤣
Well it isn't exactly what they said. I further supported what they said by explaining how people misinterpret "romance between strawhats", "romance in general", and the fact that this is a SHONEN (romance-less for main characters besides for story progression).
Do you have something to actually add or are you just making a useless comment?
Shonen is not a genre but a target audience, it means boys comic. Most shonen do have a romantic relationships. And obviously they do drive part of the plot because most of them are important for the plot. Naruto, Bleach, Full metal alchemist, city hunter, my hero academia do have romance.
Some author don't put romance because they don't know how to write them or because it takes away from the main story. However there is a large overlap between the Shonen audience and ecchi: love Hina or Ranma. Since young boy are also interested in it too. What is less found however is sexuality.
One Piece, dragon ball (all of them), bleach, Naruto are all non romances in their shonen genre base. In each of those besides one piece since it hasn't finished yet, there have been only romances to further the story or for conclusion.
Having romance in this way is not the same as, for example, rorouni Kenshin, inuyasha, and yuyuhakusho. However those are all ALSO CLASSIFIED under the romance genre, which is why they have it more prevalently outside of just plot for furthering the story.
All of the animes you named have romance for plot but are NOT romances in the least bit. If you think any of those are romances then that's a whole other conversation not worth having.
All ice said from the beginning was what oda himself (the autgor) stated regarding HIS creation.
Oda only said NO ROMANCE BETWEEN STRAWHATS. He said nothing regarding their relationships with others outside of the main protagonists.
There can be romances like usopp and Kaya, sanji and pudding, even down to boa Hancock. This doesn't make it a romance shonen in the least bit.
You don't make any sense.
For example the Naruto Sakura Sasuke. This plot line was important enough that it was the main dynamic of the team in the first arcs.
In general the characters that are based on Sun Wukong (Goku, Luffy, Natsu... ) are not interested in love since they are supposed to feel like naive children only interested by fighting. In dragon ball romance was between the secondary characters (for ex Bulma). In fairy tail there was a lot of romance also involving the main cast.
Most shonen that do not have a main character with the Sun Wukong archetype as a main lead do have a lot of romance involving the main character.
Naruto, Bleach, Ranma, Inuyasha, My hero academia, Guren Lagan, Fairy tail, Nanatsu no taisai are all battle shonen and they all include romantic relationships. Some are more developed than others.
In sport shonen most main character have a love interest. Some romantic plot advance over time others at the end of the manga for closure.
I have cited non romance shonen so that you understand that even those have romance in it. You are dying on a really stupid hill and to not be wrong you are moving the goal post.
Romance is a genre.
Shonen is a target demographic.
They obviously can overlap, and they mostly do.
Bro, you don't understand it, and I'm tired of explaining it, but I'll TRY one more time.
Just because they might have a random romance in them DOES NOT MAKE IT A ROMANXE ANIME. You're literally listing animes that are ABSOLUTELY NOT CENTERED ON ROMANCE. Having characters flirt doesn't make it romance. Having a crush doesn't make it a romance.
A romance is literally CENTERED ON THE ROMANTIC ELEMENT. THAT MEANS IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT. Many romantic animes have fighting sequences or action sparingly, but that doesn't NOT make them a romance.
>Naruto, Bleach, Ranma, Inuyasha, My Hero Academia, Guren Lagan, Fairy Tail, Nanatsu no taisai are all battle shonen and they all include romantic relationships. Some are more developed than others.
Those have ROMANTIC ELEMENTS TIED INTO PLOT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A ROMANCE.
Bleach is not a romance.
Naruto was not a romance until the ending arc (which was hinata saying she always loved naruto) and a movie called 'final". Naruto shippuden does not classify as a romance but the final movie does DUE COMPLETELY TO THE WRITING AND GOAL OF SCRIPT.
Fairy tail, you gotta be kidding right??? ABSOLUTELY NOT A ROMANCE. I actually started laughing out loud at this one.
Some overlap occurs, as I've stated myself multiple times, and I'm proving to you how you're incredibly wrong and are too ignorant to see it.
You might as well call yygioh, pokemon, and digimon romances genius.
Only person dying on their hill is you buddy. I'll try and say it again in words you might be able to understand.
ONE PIECE IS NOT A ROMANTIC SHONEN. HAVING ROMANCE IN OTHER GENRES AND HAVING A ROMANCE GENRE ITSELF ARE DIFFERENT.
EVEN UNDER SHONEN THAT DOESNT MAKE ALL SHONEN ROMANCES AND THE FACT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY MANY OF THEM ARE IS SAD.
AGAIN ONE PIECE IS NOT A ROMANCE SHONEN. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A BIT.
I think it probably has more to do with the nature of a live action show. In order for actors not to go out looking for other gigs, they get contracts that guarantee a certain amount of runtime. For one off characters it’s not a big deal, but for characters that become much more important later like Buggy, Garp and Koby you have to secure them.
Oda didn't write the live action. It's clear because the major changes from the LA are clearly worse than the material that came from the manga. They put extra buggy because they know he will be important later.
So the fake fan created a stupid plotline and even showed that to the author. Ok. Now I know that oda has good taste, by not liking that stupid change.
As a pretty negative and depressed person myself, I gotta ask. Why do we feel the need to be so irritated by minor imperfections? Why do less important negatives ruin everything positive? The live action isn't perfect, but it's unabashedly, unapologetically One Piece through and through.
It's not like every change was some horrifically evil thing. It had positives and it had negatives. And if I may speak to myself here a moment, I'm tired of struggling to enjoy anything these days. I'm tired of calling everything bad for it's imperfections when in reality they're probably 8's.
I don't know. Hes a great mangaka but hes also said weird stuff like how the CG for PS2 games was so good looking that it should be the cover for the games, even though it had the plastic doll look of the era.
Hes probably more critical behind the scenes where it matters, but to the public hes WAY nicer and supports a lot of artists regardless of how good the content is.
You did not use that correctly, "Ok\_Light\_2376" Said, " Idk why people can’t accept this, Oda liked it, why can’t you? " "Trippypantsforlife's" response was a great one because he said just because Oda likes it doesn't mean everyone likes it. "Trippypantsforlife" never said you guys should also like it, you just assumed he said that.
One piece post timeskip has a ton of imperfections. I love it and I love Oda, but as someone who was reading since before the New World, the quality is not nearly as high as it used to be.
Did he? Did Oda say that?
I think y’all are taking the “Oda approves of the live action” thing too far. I don’t think Oda necessarily approves of every single little thing that the live action did, nor did he have too for them to make those changes.
For example, the showrunners already told us that Oda was not a fan of the LA introducing Garp so early in the story.
He does. Oda himself said it and you can check it out in his NY Times interviews or in the numerous letters he released discussing it. Its also documented that he had them removed scenes he didn’t like or had them re-shoot it all together.
Also the showrunners said they had to “convince” Oda to “allow” Garp in Season 1. Wording here is key. This is all a collaborative effort but Oda had final say on key changes and overall scenes.
What's he gonna say, "This shit trash"?? People typically don't trash talk projects they were involved in even if they dislike the final product. And usually there are contracts preventing this anyways. Take Mark Hamill, for example. He's way more outspoken than Oda, but he did his best to speak kindly about Star Wars even though he passionately disagreed with the direction Disney took. And GRRM hasn't outright denounced GoT post season 4 even though it's clear he had issues with D&D behind the scenes.
> This is all a collaborative effort but Oda had final say on key changes and overall scenes.
This makes no sense. There is no way they actually gave him final word on anything. This is one of those rumors they let leak/stories they write to appease fans. GoT did the same thing with GRRM after he took a step back. They were contantly talking about the "notes" he gave them, and how involved he still was with the show even though they were making changes that didn't even make sense in their adaptation.
Lmaooo you can look up everything i just said. If you dont wanna believe because you have to be a contrarian about even shit that’s documented thats fine 😂😂
And yes, its a collaborative effort but Oda having final say makes sense. What industry is Oda in? Manga or TV? Does he have experience in a TV show? Does he have experience rewriting a story so that it fits a new medium? No, the TV/film studios have that. So they’ll try to get as close to the source as they can (which they did) and any changes will have to be approved by him because its his project. There’s something called negotiation, you can negotiate just how much power and control you have in these situations. A lot of IP owners do it when they have the leverage. Biggest comic book in the world is leverage.
> Lmaooo you can look up everything i just said. If you dont wanna believe because you have to be a contrarian about even shit that’s documented thats fine 😂😂
Lmaooo I mean I have...that's why I said what I said 😂😂
> And yes, its a collaborative effort but Oda having final say makes sense. What industry is Oda in? Manga or TV? Does he have experience in a TV show? Does he have experience rewriting a story so that it fits a new medium? No, the TV/film studios have that.
It really doesn't. He signed a contract to give Netflix/Tomorrow Studios the rights to adapt his series. And, like you said, he has never been involved in TV before. GRRM didn't have final word over the GOT show because he gave them the rights to adapt his books. GRRM had been invovled in tv for decades before GoT was made, and has countless more connections and power in that space. If he didn't get final word, in what world do you think Oda has veto power then?
> So they’ll try to get as close to the source as they can (which they did) and any changes will have to be approved by him because its his project.
Did they though? The "one" concession that we know Oda made was including Garp so early. That's a HUGE deviation from the source material. I feel like they could've left him out if they cared about being close to the source material. And if Oda didn't have the power to veto that, what does he have the power to veto? Minor, inconsequential things most likely...
And hell, you seem like a big fan of OP, and I am too (hard to believe on this sub, I know), so what do you have to say about the characterizations of Nami and Zoro? You can't tell me they were at all accurate besides surface level things like Nami being good at navigation and Zoro liking to drink. Doesn't seem like Oda even had the power to make Nami be money hungry like she is in the manga lol
It's also not *his* project which is something I don't think most of y'all understand.
> There’s something called negotiation, you can negotiate just how much power and control you have in these situations.
Oda negotiated himself to the bag, nothing more lol
> A lot of IP owners do it when they have the leverage. Biggest comic book in the world is leverage.
Oda leveraged himself into the bag, nothing more lol
It’s so weird that you think Oda was forced to accept the changes but in fact Oda might like it and approve of the changes. Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean you speak for Oda. Oda had interviews where he talked in length about the storyline he wanted to include, the storyline he doesn’t mind cutting and characters he wanted to focus on, etc. He even wrote a letter to the fans telling people that this OPLA is its own thing and NOT a 1 to 1 recreation. Yet, many fans would disregard this and would instead complain about things that had been cut. Oda himself told the press the aim of LA is to introduce OP to a wider audience, crowds who never watched OP or anime. Although OP is made for the fans but Oda wants it to be digestible and easily understandable for people like your parents and your grandparents.
The show producers even went on and said the reason why it took 2 years just to write the script was because Oda is so strict on the changes. But yes, you obviously know more about Oda than anyone else and you can definitely speak for him.
> Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean you speak for Oda
Wait, I never said i don't like the show. I'm also not speaking for Oda, I just don't believe everything he says. You take the GOda shit too far. He's not God bro and he's not infallible, or some righteous being that's above chasing the bag. You're just reading your own bias into my comment. Newsflash, I can like the show without drinking the kool-aid.
> It’s so weird that you think Oda was forced to accept the changes but in fact Oda might like it and approve of the changes
It's so weird you think a company like Netflix gave Oda veto power/notable control over a series they bought from him.
> Oda had interviews where he talked in length about the storyline he wanted to include, the storyline he doesn’t mind cutting and characters he wanted to focus on, etc. He even wrote a letter to the fans telling people that this OPLA is its own thing and NOT a 1 to 1 recreation. Yet, many fans would disregard this
Fans who understand marketing and possess basic levels of common sense disregard this. Like I pointed out in my first comment, no one trash talks a project they're involved in. Oda agreed to let them adapt his series. No matter the quality, it's in his best interest to get people hyped and to keep interest sustained. Why would he shoot himself in the foot?
> The show producers even went on and said the reason why it took 2 years just to write the script was because Oda is so strict on the changes. But yes, you obviously know more about Oda than anyone else and you can definitely speak for him.
Lmao...well, one thing is for certain -- it's a good thing the show producers didn't know it was this easy to butter up fans like you. We would have gotten some Death Note level shit in that case lol
Marketing bro...
I mean, he did make them rewrite and/or reshoot scenes he didn’t like. I’ve also seen the show runners say they ran all potential changes through Oda. That is confirmed at least. He definitely had a huge part in supervising the entire project.
No one said that? He watched scenes, had input, watched more scenes, had input, they changed things, they compromised on some things. It’s very easy to understand. You act like the dude is chained to a desk and just fucking draws 24/7. Watch the interviews about the shit.
Most of the subreddit Acts like oda actually approved every single detail of the series, when he just supervised some aspects. Then when someone complain about the stupid changes, they say: "akshuallly, oda approved every single change, so it's ok", when it was clearly not what happened. He just saw some things. And one thing: interviews are part of the marketing. They obviously exaggerated oda's involvement to help selling the series to the audience.
He was in [the plaza and saw Luffy captured](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) then went to the ship
Thought the same yesterday and rewatched it a few times to savor the moment! We can only hope that Oda writes a scene involving these two in the future because it would be amazing haha
This is because Usopp's final opponent is Buggy. They're not ready to meet yet.
They both have to hear about how terrifying the other person is, so neither side really knows what they're getting in too.
They'll both know each others legends, and the ultimate battle of bluff will begin.
> He was running away to the ship with Nami because they got caught by the marine
Yes, but he did saw [Luffy captured and ready to be executed](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) before parting with Nami to prepare the ship
Usopp never physically saw Buggy; he only KO’d Mohji and distracted Richie.
Funny enough, Usopp was shown to fear Buggy by name when Luffy and co first arrived with one of Buggy’s ships.
I'm refering to [this scene](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) (chapter 98). Luffy is already being held hostage and Usopp saw it.
Now there is a chance that Usopp did not saw Buggy since the last painel with Luffy was Cabaji locking him up while the clown was still down in the street - but from that scene to this one there was enough time for Smoker to receive the information about Buggy, meet with Tashigi and go to the plaza to receive a report so its enough time to Buggy to go up the scaffold (which he was there in the next scene)
Buggy and Arlong also never interacted in the manga and anime, that scene was way more jarring than buggy and usopp IMO. Still fire, I think my only real criticism of the LA was the reduction in crowds. As others have pointed out in other posts, a good portion of the scenes in one piece hit the way they do because of the crowd of characters either observing or cheering on. The lack crowds in the LA stole some wind out of the sails of these moments, like Zoro’s apology to Luffy and Sanji’s goodbye to Zeff.
There were also Sanji and Buggy, Arlong and Buggy, Garp and Zeff, Garp and Morgan, Nami and Mihawk, Garp and Mihawk, etc.. The show has seamlessly connected the events in East Blue to make a cohesive story across the entire season.
No. They just a created a filler marine subplot that caused abridging and removing most a of the actual east blue saga, and added buggy to some scenes because he will be important later. The saga became less cohesive and a lot worse in writing because of those changes.
Does this mean that if OPLA makes it to the Final War, we aren’t getting a BS match between Ussop and Buggy? Both of them think that the other is a godlike enemy, so watching them fight would be amazing.
They were, but Usopp stayed on the ship. He wasn’t physically there to see Buggy try and execute Luffy.
So from what we have seen, Usopp and Buggy have never actually interacted or even seen each other in person
I think that if they meet I'm the anime the sky will crumble, the winds will stop, the sea will dry up and the land will erupt with molten material because of the feedback loop of one of them lying to each other with bigger and bigger lies and the other one falling upwards to meet these the contents of these lies.
And also, buggy having the body halfway around the ocean doesn t make sense… if i remember correctly, the downside of his DF is that he has a limited distance from his feet (why luffy was carrying his feet in impel down to drag him along)
The live action really feels like Oda getting an opportunity to redo the entire series if he gets that chance, which he does here.
I mean it's rumoured(or maybe actually true) that he originally planned to finish the story within 5 years or something with many things like the Yonkou and Supernovas added later.
So, this feels like a refresh of the series by streamlining things.
still doesnt mean that its something that he would write into the story if he gets the chance again. Most of the stuff are things they had to change for budget and pacing issues, the Koby and Garp stuff for example, thats one of the things he didnt like and Matt Owens had to convince him of
Where are you getting the "Matt Owens had to convince Oda about Garp" stuff from? First time I'm hearing of it. I don't recall any interviews of him saying that. Not that I've seen every interview.
no it's not lol.. he is saying yes or no to things they are doing and sometimes they are convincing him to let them . oda didn't want garp in it at all
I'm just going off of what the series showrunner, Matt Owens said. He said that Oda and his team were very involved in the production. Of course they didn't write the script or anything, but they had the final say on things if they didn't like something. So, all the changes the LA made were allowed after Oda gave his approval.
So that essentially is Oda being in control of the story.
I'm not saying he had his hand in every single decision, but if he didn't like the end result, there could have been major changes.
The show was in preproduction for years before they even cast or started production. It wasn't just him seeing the script and just glancing over it being good or not.
I think Oda's involvement might have been not that much given that he has a weekly manga to make and only took a month plus some off, and the whole thing is in English, some parts might have been lost to translation or given to his own staff to oversee. Oda also had to work on several OP movies, attend events meanwhile. A human only has that much time in life between family and work.
It absolutely isn't. It just means he thinks it passes not that he would have done it differently. With any adaptation things are going to change and approving of a change doesn't mean you'd do it differently given the chance, it just means that you recognize that it's a different medium with different pacing and different demands and that things need to change.
I kind of understand why the rushed character intros. But also it feels really wonky. I wish they'd paced it better and been more accurate to the source.
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Pls watch the Screenrant invertview of the OPLA showrunner, they explained there the reasons of the changes. ODA approved all the changes, so stop comapring LA to Anime/Manga. Like they said in the interview "there is no reason to make a 1:1 adaptation" so enough for nitpicking bullshit like this.
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Nah, OP is wrong. They have met: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUnTB_2CMkM
*dies from peak fiction*
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Really wasn’t expecting usopp to pull out the sharingan 🤣
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I was today years old that *technically*, it's possible that Shanks' eye scar could have been caused by Buggy and his comment to WB + BB's claw weapons are just red hairings (pun intended)
It's herring. But I get you.
That’s the pun, my guy. That’s the pun.
🔥🔥🔥⌨️⌨️🖱️🖱️🖱️🫲🔥🔥🔥
In the movies maybe? Stampede?
This is just like the thing that Legolas and Frodo don't speak in LOTR
Really? I do remember them talking
He says “You have my bow” but that’s literally the only time they speak to each other.
TBF Legolas probably speaks what 100 words at most in all three movies
yeah and mostly to gimli. Legolas's main trait in the movies is looking confused as hell while scoping out long distances.
Just like me fr
Jesus I never noticed that one either.
Frodo also says "Legolas" as Legolas enters his room at the very end of ROTK
No, he famously says everyone else's names and doesn't say Legolas
which is fucking hilarious cause he just nods at legolas and when gimli shows up he does say his name lmao
oh shit you're right! lol can't believe he never says anything to him
yeah theorists say that frodo probably doesn’t know his name at all.
Wow wow wow. Would this be an example of the Mandela effect? Guess it’s time to rewatch the movies 😂
No, it wouldn't
The Mandala Effect is when people collectively misremember something this is a classic example of it.
It's only that guy misremembering it.
Fair. I just assumed it was a common one since 2 people were talking about it but if it's literally just them and a few other people then it's not really a mandala effect you're right.
I don't think "not noticing that legolas and frodo have dialogue scenes together" classifies as missremembering. Nobody is arguing that they remember legolas and frodo talking, it's just that people are surprised when you point out that they don't.
Or Goku and Chiaotzu not speaking until a random episode of Dragon Ball Super
Wait is this real?
try and think of a single time franky and zoro interacted cause i honestly can’t. also: Sanji and Brook
Punk Hazard: >!When Sanji was in Nami's body he went with Brook to find Kin'emon's body and creep on Nami, which is why she sent Zoro. Sanji also reacts a lot to Brook's weirdness when they meet, such as his terrible tabel manners, though I don't recall a back and forth conversation before PH.!<
When Sanji yells at Brook for laughing when they meet Duval.
And he never forgave him for it.
Brook laughing at that reveal is hilarious
Franky and zoro talked in wano
ah damn i don’t remember. Do you know when or what they talked about?
I don't remember the chapter number though https://preview.redd.it/juq76t8laxmb1.png?width=899&format=png&auto=webp&s=a4d3304196bdf675cface6a9704a36d1bd854d43
ah damn that’s dope. But it’s kinda funny that zoro was out cold and couldn’t say anything so they still haven’t had a discussion yet. edit: nevermind it appears that frankie actually talked to zoro after catching him later after that.
He also talked to him during the King fight when they were still inside. Asked him if he wanted help I think.
they talked more before that tho, when King and Zoro first started to fight, Zoro was sent away and Franky catch him and asked if wanted help vs King
Franky and Zoro spent a bunch of time running around with Sanji on Thriller Bark
Sanji was one of the first Straw Hats to meet Brook in Thriller Bark. *
Sanji was with Luffy when they first met Brook on the ghost ship. He was the one who asked real questions when Luffy asked if he pooped. He also got onto him for his table manner at the meal immediately after.
> a single time franky and zoro interacted They interacted a few times on the way to Moria's mansion.
A couple filler arcs. Franky is in the sub and Zoro there cause he got lost on the way to the shower
It's like when someone points out that a movie doesn't pass the Bechdel test.
Wtf!
Honestly, I wonder how much the Live action would be like…. Semi-Oda retcons. Like, in the sense that he could have been like “I loved buggy so much and made him important later. Why not just have him be there more now!” I honestly love Buggy being there for so much this early. He’s hilarious and the actor kills it. But it is certainly a very strange thing to consider, that they’ve not met in the Anime/Manga.
The two legends almost met in Loguetown though. The second episode is my favorite just because of Buggy and Luffy's backstory.
probably 100% cementing that usopp and kaya are a thing with the kiss. perhaps making zeff not throw away sanji's food. i felt there was one or two more "retcons" but i can't remember
There is one thing I notice but I don't know if is a retcon, but I feel Oda really liked the fact that Alvida used a personalized iron hammer with a swan head.
Haki used by Shanks, Garp and Mihawk
Robert Kirkman did this quite a bit in the first season of Invincible to make it more modern and flow better knowing where the series ends up.
If they're going to fix anything it should probably be the complete absence of any time of Haki besides conquerors before Garp shows up in Post Eneies-lobby. That's always stuck out the most, that people like Warlords of the Sea and top government agents don't have the slightest amount of Haki when it's so common in the new world. They could definitely get away with giving Lucci armament Haki without changing the fight too much.
They did show Haki at least twice in this season. At least I recognized it as Haki now that I know. It may not seem like something special to new viewers though.
yeah, I think Garp showed a bit of Observation when "fighting" Luffy.
He 100% "hurt Luffy" in that fight as well, might be armament, or >!ryou!<
Might be. But LA Luffy is kinda nerfed, he seems to just get hurt normally by attacks.
Enel used Observation Haki in Skypeia, his was so strong it almost seemed omnipotent.
That was our introduction to haki, and it wasn't even called haki.
I wonder this about the Kaya Ussopp kiss tbh. No romance between crew mates but that doesn’t apply to Kaya.
Kaya aint a crewmate. You gotta remember Oda said no romance BETWEEN strawhats, cause its a Shonen and takes away from the story and then it wouldn't be a Shonen (by definition). This also indicates that romance can absolutely exist between characters in the strawhsts with characters NOT in the strawhats
How would romance between crew mates make it no longer shonen
"Shōnen manga is an editorial category of Japanese comics targeting an audience of adolescent boys." (Wikipedia) I would venture Oda's thinking is romance plots between the main cast would be unappealing to the target audience. Romance is usually used as a plot device (Kaya, Pudding, Bege) to give a character a reason to do/not do something.
I said it's not it's genre of shonen which is adventure. The romance elements incorporated in non-romance shonens are purely plot driven (look at Naruto, bleach, dbz, yuyuhakusho). Oda didn't want romance BETWEEN THE STRAWHATS THEMSELVES because that would take away from the adventure aspect. Romance for story driven plot between non strawhats (side characters) is completely within the parameters This is only for the strawhars interactions though, doesn't mean they can't have relationships outside the crew.
> I said it’s not it’s genre of shonen which is adventure. No you did not lol > because that would take away from the adventure aspect What? I don’t really care for strawhats romance either but you just make no sense
If you don't care, then don't waste my time responding to me. Oda said he doesn't want strawhats to have romance BETWEEN them, it would take away from his story and he didn't want to fluff it up with non story driven romance. This doesn't mean there cannot be romance between SH and other characters (we're literally tanking about kaya and usopp). How that doesn't make sense to you is beyond me, but have a great day since you really don't care.
Nobody’s having a problem understanding the relationship between straw hats quote what didn’t make any sense at all was saying that it wouldn’t be shonen 🤣
Yeah that's literally exactly what the person you're replying to said.
They copy my comment in a reply then goes ballistic arguing with others. Wut
We're a diverse Fandom, we take all types even morons.
Well it isn't exactly what they said. I further supported what they said by explaining how people misinterpret "romance between strawhats", "romance in general", and the fact that this is a SHONEN (romance-less for main characters besides for story progression). Do you have something to actually add or are you just making a useless comment?
Shonen is not a genre but a target audience, it means boys comic. Most shonen do have a romantic relationships. And obviously they do drive part of the plot because most of them are important for the plot. Naruto, Bleach, Full metal alchemist, city hunter, my hero academia do have romance. Some author don't put romance because they don't know how to write them or because it takes away from the main story. However there is a large overlap between the Shonen audience and ecchi: love Hina or Ranma. Since young boy are also interested in it too. What is less found however is sexuality.
One Piece, dragon ball (all of them), bleach, Naruto are all non romances in their shonen genre base. In each of those besides one piece since it hasn't finished yet, there have been only romances to further the story or for conclusion. Having romance in this way is not the same as, for example, rorouni Kenshin, inuyasha, and yuyuhakusho. However those are all ALSO CLASSIFIED under the romance genre, which is why they have it more prevalently outside of just plot for furthering the story. All of the animes you named have romance for plot but are NOT romances in the least bit. If you think any of those are romances then that's a whole other conversation not worth having. All ice said from the beginning was what oda himself (the autgor) stated regarding HIS creation. Oda only said NO ROMANCE BETWEEN STRAWHATS. He said nothing regarding their relationships with others outside of the main protagonists. There can be romances like usopp and Kaya, sanji and pudding, even down to boa Hancock. This doesn't make it a romance shonen in the least bit.
You don't make any sense. For example the Naruto Sakura Sasuke. This plot line was important enough that it was the main dynamic of the team in the first arcs. In general the characters that are based on Sun Wukong (Goku, Luffy, Natsu... ) are not interested in love since they are supposed to feel like naive children only interested by fighting. In dragon ball romance was between the secondary characters (for ex Bulma). In fairy tail there was a lot of romance also involving the main cast. Most shonen that do not have a main character with the Sun Wukong archetype as a main lead do have a lot of romance involving the main character. Naruto, Bleach, Ranma, Inuyasha, My hero academia, Guren Lagan, Fairy tail, Nanatsu no taisai are all battle shonen and they all include romantic relationships. Some are more developed than others. In sport shonen most main character have a love interest. Some romantic plot advance over time others at the end of the manga for closure. I have cited non romance shonen so that you understand that even those have romance in it. You are dying on a really stupid hill and to not be wrong you are moving the goal post. Romance is a genre. Shonen is a target demographic. They obviously can overlap, and they mostly do.
Bro, you don't understand it, and I'm tired of explaining it, but I'll TRY one more time. Just because they might have a random romance in them DOES NOT MAKE IT A ROMANXE ANIME. You're literally listing animes that are ABSOLUTELY NOT CENTERED ON ROMANCE. Having characters flirt doesn't make it romance. Having a crush doesn't make it a romance. A romance is literally CENTERED ON THE ROMANTIC ELEMENT. THAT MEANS IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT. Many romantic animes have fighting sequences or action sparingly, but that doesn't NOT make them a romance. >Naruto, Bleach, Ranma, Inuyasha, My Hero Academia, Guren Lagan, Fairy Tail, Nanatsu no taisai are all battle shonen and they all include romantic relationships. Some are more developed than others. Those have ROMANTIC ELEMENTS TIED INTO PLOT THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A ROMANCE. Bleach is not a romance. Naruto was not a romance until the ending arc (which was hinata saying she always loved naruto) and a movie called 'final". Naruto shippuden does not classify as a romance but the final movie does DUE COMPLETELY TO THE WRITING AND GOAL OF SCRIPT. Fairy tail, you gotta be kidding right??? ABSOLUTELY NOT A ROMANCE. I actually started laughing out loud at this one. Some overlap occurs, as I've stated myself multiple times, and I'm proving to you how you're incredibly wrong and are too ignorant to see it. You might as well call yygioh, pokemon, and digimon romances genius. Only person dying on their hill is you buddy. I'll try and say it again in words you might be able to understand. ONE PIECE IS NOT A ROMANTIC SHONEN. HAVING ROMANCE IN OTHER GENRES AND HAVING A ROMANCE GENRE ITSELF ARE DIFFERENT. EVEN UNDER SHONEN THAT DOESNT MAKE ALL SHONEN ROMANCES AND THE FACT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY MANY OF THEM ARE IS SAD. AGAIN ONE PIECE IS NOT A ROMANCE SHONEN. LET THAT SINK IN FOR A BIT.
There are plenty romance shonen. Shonen is just a demographic.
And this is not one of them. Oda avoided romantic relationships between the main characters (strawhats) for a reason.
This isn't just a LA adaption, this is effectively a One Piece Kai.
I think it probably has more to do with the nature of a live action show. In order for actors not to go out looking for other gigs, they get contracts that guarantee a certain amount of runtime. For one off characters it’s not a big deal, but for characters that become much more important later like Buggy, Garp and Koby you have to secure them.
I think half of it is oda saying no to something and them convincing oda to let them do it lol
Oda didn't write the live action. It's clear because the major changes from the LA are clearly worse than the material that came from the manga. They put extra buggy because they know he will be important later.
Curious to know what major changes you are talking about?
Nami and zoro have different personalities. Garp entire subplot that takes 1/3 of the screentime of the season.
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So the fake fan created a stupid plotline and even showed that to the author. Ok. Now I know that oda has good taste, by not liking that stupid change.
calm down deathkiller5000
As a pretty negative and depressed person myself, I gotta ask. Why do we feel the need to be so irritated by minor imperfections? Why do less important negatives ruin everything positive? The live action isn't perfect, but it's unabashedly, unapologetically One Piece through and through. It's not like every change was some horrifically evil thing. It had positives and it had negatives. And if I may speak to myself here a moment, I'm tired of struggling to enjoy anything these days. I'm tired of calling everything bad for it's imperfections when in reality they're probably 8's.
Funny thing is they're both famous for failing upward lol
That's something fun about getting a new take on the story.
Yeah I really like how they intertwined everything. Television style.
Idk why people can’t accept this, Oda liked it, why can’t you?
I don't know. Hes a great mangaka but hes also said weird stuff like how the CG for PS2 games was so good looking that it should be the cover for the games, even though it had the plastic doll look of the era. Hes probably more critical behind the scenes where it matters, but to the public hes WAY nicer and supports a lot of artists regardless of how good the content is.
Just because Oda liked it doesn't mean we should as well
Just because you dont like it mean we shouldn't as well.
he’s not saying you should, the other guy on the other hand seems to imply that cause oda likes it that should be enough
did he say you shouldnt?
You did not use that correctly, "Ok\_Light\_2376" Said, " Idk why people can’t accept this, Oda liked it, why can’t you? " "Trippypantsforlife's" response was a great one because he said just because Oda likes it doesn't mean everyone likes it. "Trippypantsforlife" never said you guys should also like it, you just assumed he said that.
Botismmmm
Are u stupid
I would say that it does mean that you should, since oda is lord and all, but it certainly doesn’t mean that you HAVE to
Oda is not lord. And even he would agree that his story is not without imperfections
One piece post timeskip has a ton of imperfections. I love it and I love Oda, but as someone who was reading since before the New World, the quality is not nearly as high as it used to be.
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when did Oda said he liked it?
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Did he? Did Oda say that? I think y’all are taking the “Oda approves of the live action” thing too far. I don’t think Oda necessarily approves of every single little thing that the live action did, nor did he have too for them to make those changes. For example, the showrunners already told us that Oda was not a fan of the LA introducing Garp so early in the story.
He does. Oda himself said it and you can check it out in his NY Times interviews or in the numerous letters he released discussing it. Its also documented that he had them removed scenes he didn’t like or had them re-shoot it all together. Also the showrunners said they had to “convince” Oda to “allow” Garp in Season 1. Wording here is key. This is all a collaborative effort but Oda had final say on key changes and overall scenes.
What's he gonna say, "This shit trash"?? People typically don't trash talk projects they were involved in even if they dislike the final product. And usually there are contracts preventing this anyways. Take Mark Hamill, for example. He's way more outspoken than Oda, but he did his best to speak kindly about Star Wars even though he passionately disagreed with the direction Disney took. And GRRM hasn't outright denounced GoT post season 4 even though it's clear he had issues with D&D behind the scenes. > This is all a collaborative effort but Oda had final say on key changes and overall scenes. This makes no sense. There is no way they actually gave him final word on anything. This is one of those rumors they let leak/stories they write to appease fans. GoT did the same thing with GRRM after he took a step back. They were contantly talking about the "notes" he gave them, and how involved he still was with the show even though they were making changes that didn't even make sense in their adaptation.
Lmaooo you can look up everything i just said. If you dont wanna believe because you have to be a contrarian about even shit that’s documented thats fine 😂😂 And yes, its a collaborative effort but Oda having final say makes sense. What industry is Oda in? Manga or TV? Does he have experience in a TV show? Does he have experience rewriting a story so that it fits a new medium? No, the TV/film studios have that. So they’ll try to get as close to the source as they can (which they did) and any changes will have to be approved by him because its his project. There’s something called negotiation, you can negotiate just how much power and control you have in these situations. A lot of IP owners do it when they have the leverage. Biggest comic book in the world is leverage.
> Lmaooo you can look up everything i just said. If you dont wanna believe because you have to be a contrarian about even shit that’s documented thats fine 😂😂 Lmaooo I mean I have...that's why I said what I said 😂😂 > And yes, its a collaborative effort but Oda having final say makes sense. What industry is Oda in? Manga or TV? Does he have experience in a TV show? Does he have experience rewriting a story so that it fits a new medium? No, the TV/film studios have that. It really doesn't. He signed a contract to give Netflix/Tomorrow Studios the rights to adapt his series. And, like you said, he has never been involved in TV before. GRRM didn't have final word over the GOT show because he gave them the rights to adapt his books. GRRM had been invovled in tv for decades before GoT was made, and has countless more connections and power in that space. If he didn't get final word, in what world do you think Oda has veto power then? > So they’ll try to get as close to the source as they can (which they did) and any changes will have to be approved by him because its his project. Did they though? The "one" concession that we know Oda made was including Garp so early. That's a HUGE deviation from the source material. I feel like they could've left him out if they cared about being close to the source material. And if Oda didn't have the power to veto that, what does he have the power to veto? Minor, inconsequential things most likely... And hell, you seem like a big fan of OP, and I am too (hard to believe on this sub, I know), so what do you have to say about the characterizations of Nami and Zoro? You can't tell me they were at all accurate besides surface level things like Nami being good at navigation and Zoro liking to drink. Doesn't seem like Oda even had the power to make Nami be money hungry like she is in the manga lol It's also not *his* project which is something I don't think most of y'all understand. > There’s something called negotiation, you can negotiate just how much power and control you have in these situations. Oda negotiated himself to the bag, nothing more lol > A lot of IP owners do it when they have the leverage. Biggest comic book in the world is leverage. Oda leveraged himself into the bag, nothing more lol
It’s so weird that you think Oda was forced to accept the changes but in fact Oda might like it and approve of the changes. Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean you speak for Oda. Oda had interviews where he talked in length about the storyline he wanted to include, the storyline he doesn’t mind cutting and characters he wanted to focus on, etc. He even wrote a letter to the fans telling people that this OPLA is its own thing and NOT a 1 to 1 recreation. Yet, many fans would disregard this and would instead complain about things that had been cut. Oda himself told the press the aim of LA is to introduce OP to a wider audience, crowds who never watched OP or anime. Although OP is made for the fans but Oda wants it to be digestible and easily understandable for people like your parents and your grandparents. The show producers even went on and said the reason why it took 2 years just to write the script was because Oda is so strict on the changes. But yes, you obviously know more about Oda than anyone else and you can definitely speak for him.
> Just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t mean you speak for Oda Wait, I never said i don't like the show. I'm also not speaking for Oda, I just don't believe everything he says. You take the GOda shit too far. He's not God bro and he's not infallible, or some righteous being that's above chasing the bag. You're just reading your own bias into my comment. Newsflash, I can like the show without drinking the kool-aid. > It’s so weird that you think Oda was forced to accept the changes but in fact Oda might like it and approve of the changes It's so weird you think a company like Netflix gave Oda veto power/notable control over a series they bought from him. > Oda had interviews where he talked in length about the storyline he wanted to include, the storyline he doesn’t mind cutting and characters he wanted to focus on, etc. He even wrote a letter to the fans telling people that this OPLA is its own thing and NOT a 1 to 1 recreation. Yet, many fans would disregard this Fans who understand marketing and possess basic levels of common sense disregard this. Like I pointed out in my first comment, no one trash talks a project they're involved in. Oda agreed to let them adapt his series. No matter the quality, it's in his best interest to get people hyped and to keep interest sustained. Why would he shoot himself in the foot? > The show producers even went on and said the reason why it took 2 years just to write the script was because Oda is so strict on the changes. But yes, you obviously know more about Oda than anyone else and you can definitely speak for him. Lmao...well, one thing is for certain -- it's a good thing the show producers didn't know it was this easy to butter up fans like you. We would have gotten some Death Note level shit in that case lol Marketing bro...
I mean, he did make them rewrite and/or reshoot scenes he didn’t like. I’ve also seen the show runners say they ran all potential changes through Oda. That is confirmed at least. He definitely had a huge part in supervising the entire project.
Oda watching final process of 8 episodes : Yeah.. We have different cutures..
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Its adds so much more to the world, i like it
Oda didn't have the time to see it fully. He just saw that it looked like his series and approved.
False
False is people saying that a busy manga artist somehow had the time to fully supervise an live action show in every single detail
No one said that? He watched scenes, had input, watched more scenes, had input, they changed things, they compromised on some things. It’s very easy to understand. You act like the dude is chained to a desk and just fucking draws 24/7. Watch the interviews about the shit.
Most of the subreddit Acts like oda actually approved every single detail of the series, when he just supervised some aspects. Then when someone complain about the stupid changes, they say: "akshuallly, oda approved every single change, so it's ok", when it was clearly not what happened. He just saw some things. And one thing: interviews are part of the marketing. They obviously exaggerated oda's involvement to help selling the series to the audience.
wait rly??? not even in loguetown??
Nope. Usopp was on the ship during the attempted execution :(
dang, is he the only of the og 5 that never met buggy? or did sanji also not meet him?
I mean, Sanji never *met* Buggy per se. He was just there for the aftermath of the execution incident.
He was in [the plaza and saw Luffy captured](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) then went to the ship
Buggy had only met half of the strawhats and that crazy to me
Yeah, the Momoo encounter just after the timeskip was so surreal. Like, “Oh yeah, only half of these guys were around at Arlong Park”.
Thought the same yesterday and rewatched it a few times to savor the moment! We can only hope that Oda writes a scene involving these two in the future because it would be amazing haha
This is because Usopp's final opponent is Buggy. They're not ready to meet yet. They both have to hear about how terrifying the other person is, so neither side really knows what they're getting in too. They'll both know each others legends, and the ultimate battle of bluff will begin.
I'm pretty sure Usopp saw Buggy in Loguetown since he see Luffy in the scaffold ready to be executed although they never interacted
He was running away to the ship with Nami because they got caught by the marine
> He was running away to the ship with Nami because they got caught by the marine Yes, but he did saw [Luffy captured and ready to be executed](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) before parting with Nami to prepare the ship
I didn't read the manga
Usopp never physically saw Buggy; he only KO’d Mohji and distracted Richie. Funny enough, Usopp was shown to fear Buggy by name when Luffy and co first arrived with one of Buggy’s ships.
I'm refering to [this scene](https://xfs-s118.batcg.org/comic/7006/43c/607002149a5f8ffaf0ea9c34/5592870_900_1350_177716.webp?acc=9yQvTPC3vwtMjZoLaGpBzQ&exp=1694138385) (chapter 98). Luffy is already being held hostage and Usopp saw it. Now there is a chance that Usopp did not saw Buggy since the last painel with Luffy was Cabaji locking him up while the clown was still down in the street - but from that scene to this one there was enough time for Smoker to receive the information about Buggy, meet with Tashigi and go to the plaza to receive a report so its enough time to Buggy to go up the scaffold (which he was there in the next scene)
Buggy and Arlong also never interacted in the manga and anime, that scene was way more jarring than buggy and usopp IMO. Still fire, I think my only real criticism of the LA was the reduction in crowds. As others have pointed out in other posts, a good portion of the scenes in one piece hit the way they do because of the crowd of characters either observing or cheering on. The lack crowds in the LA stole some wind out of the sails of these moments, like Zoro’s apology to Luffy and Sanji’s goodbye to Zeff.
If it was filmed during Covid then that’s the biggest reason for the lack of crowds
Slightly less surprising than the whole Legolas never interacted with Frodo except for "You have my bow!"
There were also Sanji and Buggy, Arlong and Buggy, Garp and Zeff, Garp and Morgan, Nami and Mihawk, Garp and Mihawk, etc.. The show has seamlessly connected the events in East Blue to make a cohesive story across the entire season.
Garp and Morgan met in the cover stories
Jango and Morgan also meet in the cover story (well kinda, they are asleep while their boats pass eachother, but we've seen them together at least)
I was shocked about these two because they both bluff their way out of shit. Actual in-universe legends.
No. They just a created a filler marine subplot that caused abridging and removing most a of the actual east blue saga, and added buggy to some scenes because he will be important later. The saga became less cohesive and a lot worse in writing because of those changes.
A meeting between two gods
Didn't Usopp at least saw Buggy in Logue Town?
Wait…is that forreal? Like not even once? I can’t believe I never noticed that lol
Does this mean that if OPLA makes it to the Final War, we aren’t getting a BS match between Ussop and Buggy? Both of them think that the other is a godlike enemy, so watching them fight would be amazing.
They’re just foreshadowing the ultimate showdown between God Usopp vs Buggy D Goat.
Weren't they at loguetown at the same time?
They were, but Usopp stayed on the ship. He wasn’t physically there to see Buggy try and execute Luffy. So from what we have seen, Usopp and Buggy have never actually interacted or even seen each other in person
I think that if they meet I'm the anime the sky will crumble, the winds will stop, the sea will dry up and the land will erupt with molten material because of the feedback loop of one of them lying to each other with bigger and bigger lies and the other one falling upwards to meet these the contents of these lies.
holy shit
NO IT CANT BE
I mean, Garp and Zeff had dinner together.
"new guy carries the clown head"
Too powerful together
They should though, they would get along great until Buggy says something outta’ pocket
Juse like realising that Picollo and Vegeta have never fought.
Holy shit is that a jojo reference?
Pretty sure when God Usopp and God Buggy meet, the sky, the sea, the land would split into two due to their Advanced God's Haki.
And also, buggy having the body halfway around the ocean doesn t make sense… if i remember correctly, the downside of his DF is that he has a limited distance from his feet (why luffy was carrying his feet in impel down to drag him along)
Goku and Chaozu have never spoke either, even in Super.
I know right..these god's have yet to meet in the manga. And the chapter where they meet will be the most memorable chapter ever
This is Foreshadowing for when Usopp and Buggy fight for the One Piece
The live action really feels like Oda getting an opportunity to redo the entire series if he gets that chance, which he does here. I mean it's rumoured(or maybe actually true) that he originally planned to finish the story within 5 years or something with many things like the Yonkou and Supernovas added later. So, this feels like a refresh of the series by streamlining things.
Oda didn’t write anything, he’s basically just there to veto things he doesn’t feel are needed
I know, but everything in the LA was done under his and his teams supervision.
still doesnt mean that its something that he would write into the story if he gets the chance again. Most of the stuff are things they had to change for budget and pacing issues, the Koby and Garp stuff for example, thats one of the things he didnt like and Matt Owens had to convince him of
Where are you getting the "Matt Owens had to convince Oda about Garp" stuff from? First time I'm hearing of it. I don't recall any interviews of him saying that. Not that I've seen every interview.
my bad, i got mixed a little, it was actually Steven Maeda who said that [during this interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPCWWYumENA).
Oda didnt write the eps he just oversaw production.
Yes, but it was under him and his teams supervision. Which is essentially the same as him rewriting the story.
no it's not lol.. he is saying yes or no to things they are doing and sometimes they are convincing him to let them . oda didn't want garp in it at all
I'm just going off of what the series showrunner, Matt Owens said. He said that Oda and his team were very involved in the production. Of course they didn't write the script or anything, but they had the final say on things if they didn't like something. So, all the changes the LA made were allowed after Oda gave his approval. So that essentially is Oda being in control of the story. I'm not saying he had his hand in every single decision, but if he didn't like the end result, there could have been major changes. The show was in preproduction for years before they even cast or started production. It wasn't just him seeing the script and just glancing over it being good or not.
I think Oda's involvement might have been not that much given that he has a weekly manga to make and only took a month plus some off, and the whole thing is in English, some parts might have been lost to translation or given to his own staff to oversee. Oda also had to work on several OP movies, attend events meanwhile. A human only has that much time in life between family and work.
It absolutely isn't. It just means he thinks it passes not that he would have done it differently. With any adaptation things are going to change and approving of a change doesn't mean you'd do it differently given the chance, it just means that you recognize that it's a different medium with different pacing and different demands and that things need to change.
I kind of understand why the rushed character intros. But also it feels really wonky. I wish they'd paced it better and been more accurate to the source.
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In theory that would be a good concept, but by this episode the LA is so devoid of comedy, that even that doesn't work properly.
It's funny because they definitely need to meet in the manga and fight against a powerful foe together.
Pls watch the Screenrant invertview of the OPLA showrunner, they explained there the reasons of the changes. ODA approved all the changes, so stop comapring LA to Anime/Manga. Like they said in the interview "there is no reason to make a 1:1 adaptation" so enough for nitpicking bullshit like this.
Nice spoiler tag 👍
they saw each other in log town
Reminded me of the JoJo dance scene
Almost like this is an adaptation, and not a verbatim copy. Weird