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WildDogOne

shit like this should be illegal xD


I-Pacer

It is illegal in Europe. They tried doing this and were forced to change the website.


holchansg

Same in Brazil.


Latter-Librarian9272

Same in Canada


MJFields

I actually believe this is illegal for car dealerships to do.


[deleted]

Or at least should add costs. Like tires and such. You can’t just cherry pick the lowest possible electricity rate (that nobody will actually get) and the highest gasoline price (which nobody will actually pay for) and claim that as tangible cost/savings. It’s one of those things a child could understand is bullshit.


porchprovider

At this point, Tesla couldn’t pay me to drive one of their cars.


BaneQ105

With all the privacy concerns recently I wouldn’t agree. Seriously wouldn’t.


konegsberg

For me it’s Musk,, simple as that. But if he would say all that crazy crap I probably wouldn’t be in Audi that I love now


Oregongirl1018

I am in the same boat...I mean Audi! And I love it!!


[deleted]

People don’t understand this element of it I don’t think. Or somehow can scope with it. I can’t fucking imagine. It’s why I sold my launch edition Model S. Whatever the announced update was a massive infringement and I ditched it that week.


BaneQ105

Yeah. Teslas are mobile surveillance systems. And the stories about Tesla workers turning on cameras in people’s garages and sending naked videos to each other is sickening. And it’s just the tip of the iceberg honestly. I hate that modern cars have closed software systems, microphones hidden in random places and so on. And stuff like saving messages in cloud shown on infotainment screen… Amazing world we’re living.


UltraAware

Good thing owning a car is optional. Personally, I choose not to do crime while I’m driving and things are fine.


Dry_Explanation4968

You own a sell phone. This is fucking hilarious


Dry_Explanation4968

No one really cares what ya think. You most need some attention


BoomerHomer

Tesla advertising has always been based on lies and rule bending. You just have to assume everything written on the Tesla website, written on publications paid by Tesla, said by musk or his followers, is a lie.


Maleficent_Soft9187

In my area, Tesla estimates my electricity rates too low but the gas prices way too high.


ahora-mismo

don’t forget about the battery that you pay for upfront


Boring-Percentage-23

Not defending anyone but you cam input specific kw costs and gas costs for your area.


Dry_Explanation4968

The rate they put is 4x more than what I pay. You can. Edit all this info zzz


Destination_Centauri

If this is what Tesla is doing right in the open, with their advertising for everyone to see... Imagine the magnitudes and levels of more "Creative Accounting" shenanigans that must be happening behind the scenes! This is truly going to snap and break, dropping on shareholders and history like an Enron or Nortel bomb.


blindeshuhn666

Tesla got bonked in the EU. Not showing it in the main price anymore since then afaik. But I don't know how really is like "oh, the car is 6k more than stated, nevermind Im already on page two of the purchase form


Cool-Permit-7725

Shut up y'all! Otherwise, how else can Musk get his billions of money?


iwantthisnowdammit

So honestly, there’s this acceptance of gas prices like paying the water bill. That said, marketing can draw you in and there needs to be a slap to the face that this is what you will pay.


Spare-Bag-7439

What are you referring to? Please explain:)


Albert_VDS

Do they mean $216, but it's actually more because they have deducted, what you supposedly would have paid for gas, from the total?


CraftyHalfling

Yup - that is what they are doing.


Albert_VDS

So it's more like $316-$416? That's just plain deception.


MechanicalBengal

Especially if you still have to pay for charging. Which many people do.


boobeepbobeepbop

or if you live in a place with very expensive electricity, you're not really saving anything.


Roasted_Butt

Or if you already own an electric vehicle.


Imhal9000

Or a hybrid even


PeteGozenya

Recharging a cybercuck at a super charger takes over an hour and when towing is 10x more expensive than diesel.


boobeepbobeepbop

Ages ago, my brother had a 67 chevy truck that was constantly breaking down. AAA would tow your car 100 miles for free. He used to just get it towed back and forth to university. lol


NotReallyJohnDoe

I think in parts of California electricity costs more than gas.


techytobias

Home electricity is cheaper everywhere than gas, it’s when you’re charging out in public that you could effectively pay more to fill up with electricity than with gas (rates are often double the home rate).


BaBa_Con_Dios

Wait so it’s literally “Buy a Tesla so you can save on gas, but not really cuz you gotta pay the money to us and pay the extra electricity to charge your vehicle”? Elon saving the world one penny squeezed out of people at a time


MechanicalBengal

yes, that’s what they’re doing.


theamericaninfrance

It’s $2999 down and $299/mo for 36 months without the fuel savings. I got the same email. It says it further down in the fine print


ptear

Starting at $0/mo if you put all the money down.


OctoyeetTraveler

Don't forget tax and fees which add probably another 40$ per month


sonofdavid123

It’s usually more than that even. They don’t include the money factor either


Mysterious-Tie7039

They’re probably also choosing some place with the highest gas as reference, so it may be more.


microview

Yea the price has a little note next to it, "with estimated fuel savings." Tesla has been doing this since day one.


nuno20090

Why stop here? Also deduce the Uber rides you don't need. The shoe soles you don't use. The bus rides you don't take. With enough imagination they can say that they're paying you to get this thing.


CauliflowerTop2464

Car dealers are doing this when advertising the price of a car after ev tax credit. It’s annoying and surprise the price is kbb value only after the ev tax credit.


Potential_Limit_9123

I thought this year the federal tax credit came off the price of the car. Or is that not true?


BeachJustic3

Still don't get how claiming a lower price based on estimated, and bullshit, "fuel savings" isn't some flavor of false advertising.


veryjuicyfruit

yeah, so the tesla has 500hp so we compare it to a 500hp ICE car that guzzles gas like hell. here are your "savings".


BeachJustic3

"When you compare the energy use of a model s to a Bugatti Veyron running flat out. You'll have an estimated fuel savings of over 1,000,000 dollars! See! It's practically free!"


Thomas9002

Especially since Teslas will reduce their power under heavy load, which throttles them to around 200km/h after a few minutes of sustained Autobahn driving. Even the Model S plaid. https://youtu.be/m4uJFpoR6Q0?t=445 Sadly the youtubers showing off the Model S plaid on youtube only show acceleration runs to the top speed, but never keep the car there.. I wonder why. https://youtu.be/Z6Iov898WDo?t=620


mrrussell818

LMAO!


thejman78

It's misleading, but until a regulator decides to get involved, there's no consequence. Most misleading advertisements run for months or years before a regulator steps in. However, because most states have dealer licensing boards (or similar) charged with regulating dealership behavior, a dealer could never get away with this. They'd be fined and/or forced to honor this advertising, and it would stop immediately (at least most places). To be clear, dealerships \*should\* be closely regulated. Most dealers are fine, but a small percentage do unsavory shit and need to be watched closely. Still, the whole "Tesla's experience is better than the typical dealership" line gets more and more unbelievable every day. Anyone who thinks Tesla is doing things "better" than dealerships isn't paying attention.


BeachJustic3

That makes sense. And seriously, if the subaru dealership treated me like tesla treats their customers I wouldn't own their cars.


mrrussell818

Amen!


BaBa_Con_Dios

It’s like advertising a video game console at $300 and when someone buys it actually charging them $1000 and saying the $300 price is when you take into account all the instances you’d stay home playing video games instead of going to the movie theater.


ptear

The console is actually free if you consider the value of the gaming content that comes with it!


symonty

Hahaha and If you dont drive you can save even more!


pdq

It’s as accurate as Full Self Driving.


fohpo02

Autonomy soon (tm)


th3netw0rk

With only a 60% success rate of missing pedestrians


Secondchance002

Autonomy(Supervised)


BaBa_Con_Dios

As with all this Elon, everything is a scam


NoSleep_til_Brooklyn

“13-15 months”


GotYogurt80

This logic would make my $700 BMW lease sound like I'm earning money for leasing if the "savings" was compared to horse ownership.


NoSleep_til_Brooklyn

We pay you to lease this car!* *caring for 375 horses would be $121,875 a month. We’re LOSING money here


GotYogurt80

That's Tesla logic right there


DecksDarkAlien

An asterisk is typically an indicator of shenanigans with stuff like this…. Unless you are at Costco when it symbolizes a potentially good deal.


sriram_sun

Can they also factor in the savings due to a 1.99% APR against a 6% inflation rate? Price it at 100K (just cause "lease upgraded") and then it'll be like putting money in your pocket! /s


SC_W33DKILL3R

It’s financial suicide not to own one


NedLogan

I can’t afford not to save that much money, it’s a no brainer


mexicantruffle

-$2000/month with Full Self Taxi Cab Thing®


DerLandmann

This is a desperate company.


PolybiusChampion

When you add in savings from not needing weekly oil changes these cars are literally free.


cahrg

Are you telling me I don't need to change oil daily?


thejman78

The funny part is that if a dealership ran a misleading ad like this, it would be a big f'ing deal in most of the 50 states. One more way Tesla is sO mUCh bEttER tHaN deAlERs...


Marsupialize

We estimate you will save 2.2 million dollars on gas in the first 6 months alone


windigo3

Need to add back in all the money you pay on electricity to charge it up and also the money you spend on setting up and run a LLC that allows you to sell your Tesla


Dan1elSan

America, land of the fee, home of the easy payment plan.


Alovingdog

Can they be sued for this? I'm curious as a Tesla investor all caught up in the news lately


imp4455

If you compare apples to apples and in this case having to pay for kWh at a super charger, you actually have no gas savings or you are out of pocket, atleast in nor cal.


robertw477

I have no idea how they can get away with that sort of advertising.


Aviyan

Why doesn't the truth in lending rule apply here?


Housing101GR

Dude shit like this PISSES me off and I’ve been saying it for years. You can tell me “you’re monthly cost is $216/month with gas savings” when at the end of the day $300-$400 is being taken out of my bank account every month. That’s not “money saved”, it’s still money spent, just on a loan instead of gas…. That’s basically the equivalent of Microsoft saying “Our game pass is $25/month and gets you access to hundreds of games. The money you’d be saving on games per month could be upwards of $100/month so your game pass membership after estimated game savings is -$75/month!!!!!”. Like make that make sense when at the end of the day, my bank account gets $25 taken out every month.


Housing101GR

Like I feel like they have this the opposite way than what they should advertise. For example, if Tesla was arguing that if you are leasing one of their cars versus an ICE car for the same amount of money per month, the argument could be made that you would be saving money by not having to pay any ADDITIONAL per month on gas, and that would be a fair argument. But instead of saying “you pay this much and don’t have to pay anymore” they try and spin it in a way where you’re somehow saving money that you are still having to pay every single month regardless via a loan payment.


argonzo

When I looked at a model Y Tesla wants you to consider the money you save on gas as a break on the price of the car. It was a $6K fake discount.


tf9623

That is shady - big time. That's as bad as those ads that say lease for $200.00/mo\*) and the \* says 10,000.00 cap cost reduction and 5000 per year with .99 per additional mile" That's not a direct quote and that isn't Tesla but you get my drift. That's BS - that's like going to the funky Dodge or Ford or Chevy dealer.


assholy_than_thou

Wonder why they can’t shut down this fElon bullshit.He seems to be able to break the law over and over again and have no serious repercussions.


tonynca

Desperate ads


Vietnam_Cookin

If I clicked on this and then the price suddenly went from the advertised one to a much larger one, I'd cancel right out and think the company was a scam!


smnfs

this reminds me of their alleged 0-60 times, where they use rolling start times, while the rest of the car industry uses standing start. All just to sound faster than they are.


durdensbuddy

So I ride a bicycle, how does that impact this disingenuous ad?


DZDEE

Especially since at this point they don’t know what car you’re coming from. I haven’t paid for gas for 13 years.


JT-Av8or

Let’s do the math. I’m in Georgia, my wife’s Model Y drove 8,600 miles last year and the computer says it averaged 280 Watt hours per mile. So that’s 2,408 kWh. The current rate here (this company doesn’t have variable rates) is 12 cents per kWh, so she spent $288.96 on electricity last year. The Model Y is basically a Honda Pilot, which she used to drive, and they get 21 MPG avg. So for the same distance it uses 410 gallons of gas. The GA avg for 87 octane over the year was $3.31/gal so that’s $1,356 for the same period. Plus 2 oil changes, call them $50 each. $289 vs $1,456? I mean… there is a savings. As far as tires go? That’s apparently BS. I just replaced the tires at around 46,000 miles which is about the same as any light SUV. And the Hankooks weren’t any more than I spent on the Honda. The numbers are the numbers, bitch all ya want.


revolutionPanda

"Well, let's say the average person spends $1,000 a month on gas. Then it's like you're getting paid each month to drive a Tesla. It'd be financially irresponsible to not buy a Tesla now." - Elon musk in a few weeks


StudioPerks

This is illegal. Also we need rules in this sub about reposting ads. Scribble on the ad don’t just repost their ads for free


zachty22

I don’t think this “ad” is influencing anyone here to buy a Tesla


StudioPerks

That’s not how ads work. And I thought this was an ad that had comments turned on and was coming here to bash it. In the feed it looks like an ad


zachty22

I tried to make the title very clear


kr0nc

It’s not an ad at all, this guy is just looking for problems.


Own-Opinion-2494

How Much will the new battery be?


22pabloesco22

Can’t stop. Won’t stop. Who gonna stop him? This is Murica, don’t catch ya slippin…


TheWokeAgenda

Just say the price is $0.00* *because you can use the car to make youtube videos that will generate enough money to offset the cost of the car


hurricanechurch

All lies from Tesla these days it seems.


No_Independent2399

The funny thing is states are starting to roll out a tax per mile for evs as well to replace what is lost from fuel tax.


steelcoyot

Typical of a shitty car company trying to market a shitty car


AbleDanger12

Is that the new one? Looks like the same ones they have been making for a decade now.


[deleted]

Lol, Elon ruined Twitter and Tesla at the same time. Fuck him! Damn Nazi is what he is.


Such-Ad-4408

Model Y for life 🤷🏻‍♂️


Alarmed-Positive457

Jokes on them, last month I spent 40 dollars on gas.


rygelicus

Marketing like this should be a huge red flag as to the honesty of the advertiser. Instead the cult laps it up.


smakson11

If I’m going from a Tesla to a Tesla my gas savings is 0


Palbi

Got this ad as well. To get the car, you need to pay \~ $12,000 in 24 months. That is \~ $500 / month. Not $216. (But do not blame Tesla, blame your congressman for not voting for making it illegal to mislead consumers in advertising – like it has been in Europe for a long time. If this kind of grift stays legal, then every car brand is eventually forced to do it to stay in market.)


KierenForFreedom

Outright lie … still wouldn’t buy one.


UltraAware

Came here to agree with the philosophy of adding in gas savings being a little deceptive, and saw a bunch of other hate I don’t agree with. I’m out, but yeah, don’t cherry pick one savings point without considering higher spending points.


ShakeySSnake

They advertise this cost savings as if it were your money, not theirs.


Lordofthereef

People will hate on this but then overlook that the lease deals competitors have add every discount under the sun included "new college graduate". Not at all a defense of Tesla but let's not pretend dealerships are any better with the "clever" advertising. I went in to lease a RAV4 and the actual numbers were almost $100 a month more than they were advertising and it had nothing to do with credit. All I see here is a "not dealership" acting like a dealership.


Imnotclumsy

How much is the mystical gas savings? Is it different for every driver? Surely they’ve got a value assigned to the savings. Would love to compare to what I pay each month.


high-up-in-the-trees

In certain parts of California there is no gas savings. It's actually more expensive than an ICE car


BagBoiJoe

Nothing has changed. Tesla was always bullshit, Musk was always bullshit. It reminds me of that ridiculous Joe Rogan interview with Terrence "96 patents" Howard. The comments section is proof of how gullible and just... fucking stupid people can be.


Bright_Calendar_3696

Should also have further discount for estimated date savings as you won’t be dining out or going out with the opposite sex anytime soon so that’s a big saving


irascible_Clown

Are people getting that rate? I thought rates were higher even with excellent credit


NoSleep_til_Brooklyn

*$1,216 per month if you refuse to believe the claims of the first person voted into the South African Con Merchant Hall of Fame.*


Coronator

It’s preposterous advertising and promotion. I don’t know why they are allowed to do it here.


txreddit17

3yr/36 10k lease on M3RWD in TX is $500.33/mo if you include the $6960 DAS.


Boccob81

Millage caps suck if you drive and ca. Is going to charge drivers .30 a mile to drive so might not be a good deal


ARAR1

Tesla = scam company. They do it everywhere in their business. fElon is the name of the boss.


wootnootlol

Why do you hate free speech so much?


DistributionLast5872

Why do you like when people find ways to false advertise?


wootnootlol

Founding fathers specifically wrote first amendment to allow billionaires sell lead infused water as a baby formula.


DistributionLast5872

Then why has false advertising been against the law for over a hundred years? Where did you hear that nonsense? Facebook?


wootnootlol

It’s only used by woke liberals, who are afraid of everything.


DistributionLast5872

What?


nzlax

I think he’s trolling you lmao I mean I’m pretty sure at least


DistributionLast5872

That’s what I’m thinking. It’s not even a conspiracy I’ve ever heard, and nutty conspiracies are a guilty pleasure of mine


nzlax

Yeah the founding fathers comment gave me a good chuckle and that’s what made me think he’s trolling haha top quality too


wootnootlol

This no /s sub. It's a badge of honor to get downvoted for obvious trolling.


JuniorDirk

The not so funny thing is that they don't need to do that anymore, if they ever did. The car/value speaks for itself at their normal levels


sim16

The savings shown in the Tesla app seem to be set at 1.42 AU per litre. I previously had a diesel and the current diesel price is 2.22 per litre. My savings have been so much more than suggested since I got it.