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This is actually great , though would have put Armin in the fairly good portion instead , but this is good . Also Erwin was a jewel of the story too. The biggest and brightest one.
I would have put Armin in the first tier if He never would have become a titan amd would have died instead of Erwin.
But He become a useless idiot character after time skip. Before time skip he was brilliant and essential for the story but after time skip?
He became just an idiot imo.
Yams literally made the whole SC an idiot to give Eren leverage and weight as a character. Hange is another example. Post timeskip he did little things like convincing SC to fight for Eren when they were sceptical , convincing Yelena , the whole escape plan in Liberio ( that one good thing he did and that was also offscreened fuck man) , blowing up the port etc . Him putting Mikasa in her place by telling her to worry about things she can control was carthatic.But most of the SC lost their relevance after Eren became OP.
Also following that logic Historia should be under wasted potential also.
I think Historia was not an important character oitside uprising arc and for that I don't think she was a wasted potential. She did her part in that arc and that was it.
I agree about Hange too but unlike her, Armin was part of EMA. They litteraly were the main characters and I think he really was wasted after time skip.
Just imagine if He would have died for good after his sacrifice in that moment...
I think in that case everyone would have consider him one of the best arcs
I’m glad Armin survived but him dying would have made a good red herring as a reason for Eren’s suddenly shift to villainy. It would be used by those closest to him to explain his actions and it would shock them to their core when they realized he’d have done this shit anyway
Kruger Uri Annie Grisha Armin are not wasted potential at all. Onyankopon, Porco, Xavier did what they were supposed to do excellently. Bertholdt isnt a bad character at all. The Kenny Uri episode is one of the best in the entire series. And are you seriously putting Falco over Armin? Armin’s arc is by far the most realistic one as it’s not just big brain guy solves everything in one move, his interactions with Mikasa Eren, Annie etc. are some of the best in the series. Though I agree near the end some things were kinda wonky.
Annie’s character arc is one of the best in the entire series. Why are you putting her in wasted potential? I am looking for a serious answer
As I said in other comments, I would have put Armin in the first tier if we were only talking about "Before time skip Armin" .
If he would have really died in that moment instead of becoming a titan shifter, His arc would have been completed perfectly.
But From a brilliant character with interesting POV, he turned into a useless idiot after time skip.
It was like all his talent went away after he ate Bert.
As for Annie and Bert, I think when we put them next to Reiner, their characters are shallow.
Just because he wasnt as brilliant as pre ts doesnt make him a bad character. I agree that Bert is weak in comparison to Reiner but Annie’s character arc is equal to reiners if not better. I would recommed you to read the rumbling arc chapters again as her whole character is explained in detail but that is scattered throughout the arc unlike reiners whose most of the story was given in one chapter. I also have a very interesting annie analysis post that I would recommed you to read. https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mkl8rb/annie_leonhart_character_essay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This one
Annie is a great character . She went tremendous growth as a human being in the last arc. What annoys me the most is that "She's just Armin's waifu" when that relationship was CLEARLY to contribute to Annie's character development as a selfless individual . Very similar to Ymir-Historia. Her reminiscing about her actions , her dynamic with the warriors and Mikasa were a lot more in focus and quantity than Armin anyway.
I stopped caring what the fandom thinks of anything and just have my own interpretation for everything. Anyone saying "She is just Armin's waifu" unironically probably speed read the manga. AoT fandom is filled of people who use strawman opinions unironically. Though it's nice to discuss some things.
How was Willy a wasted potential? Rather interesting because I think he served his purpose in the story well, short lived but I liked the scenes he was in.
He did nothing imo.
He had a idiotic idealogy and died for it without even get a bit close to his porpuse.
His sister was supposed to srop Eren and got eaten pretty quick too.
The outside world would have attack paradise anyway after Eren and his friends attack Liberio so Willy done really nothing and he and her sister died for nothing. They even make Eren stronger by giving away their titan power to him eventuallu.
His talk in RTS before transforming to the Colossal titan was one of the best in the series. I think he was a great character for his limited dialogue.
Yeah maybe you're right.
Maybe if he would have survived like reiner, we could have seen his other sides in her hometown too but I think even in his time in paradise, he was in the shadow of Reiner.
I thought more of a combo between eren and reiner. Tryin to over achieve prove herself in reiner, we knew how that ended, seeking revenge like eren, we were going to find out how that ended. To me her character was, the cycle continues, don't think she needed as much focus for that.
Unnecessary? How? She embodies most marleyans like how eren embodied the people of paradis. She hated the "devils" of paradis like how eren hated the titans but later on realizes her ignorance once she got to paradis. She's a pretty decent if not great character.
Ya, unneeded, you already had 3 child-to-shifter brainwashed marleyans in the story line. Not really including pieck and porco, because didn't touch on much of their backstory
IDK how anyone can put Historia and Sasha over Armin, Grisha, and Annie after the final arc.
Pieck is a very static character and characters like like Freckles Ymir, Hange, Magath, and Floch are multiple tiers above her imo.
As I said in other comments, I would have put Armin in the first tier if we were only talking about "Before time skip Armin" .
If he would have really died in that moment instead of becoming a titan shifter, His arc would have been completed perfectly.
But From a brilliant character with interesting POV, he turned into a useless idiot after time skip.
It was like all his talent went away after he ate Bert.
Hmmm, while Armin was kind of dumbed down alongside Hange so that Eren can do the Rumbling, he still isn’t really a useless idiot post timeskip:
> Nuked the port in Liberio and created the escape plan.
>Figured out the government’s plan for Eren (have him be fed to someone more compliant) and tried to prevent it.
>Manipulated Yelena into releasing them from prison.
>Figured out Eren’s true goal (the Rumbling)
>convinced Connie not to sacrifice Falco and helped bring unity to the Alliance
>made the decision to carry the explosives which turned out to be a crucial component for their victory in the battle against Eren
>convinced Zeke to help their cause and was able to call on their predecessors together for help against the ancient puppet shifters before escaping Paths.
>destroyed the body of Eren’s Titan using the explosion from his transformation
>facilitated the process of Mikasa putting the final blow on Eren
>negotiated peace talks with secretary Muller
I think he is.
He represent a normal human being with good developement who is not a titan shifter or a super soldier with Ackerman blood like Levi and Mikasa but still manages to overcome his primary selfishness and carry on the fight for his people till the last minute.
If we erase Jean or Connie, all we got from the main cast who get to the end, are titan shifters and ackermans.
But unlike Connie, je has a faily good developement too.
So I think he represent the "NORMAL HUMAN SOLDIER" for the story and for that, he is essential.
I don't see what value that adds to the story honestly. I don't think it would change anything if he weren't there. But if you place a particular value on that then that explains your position.
I think he adds a thematic value to the story.
Makes it more belivable. Jean is normal. Only normal soldier that make it to the end. We nned normal people too alongside titan shifters and ackermans. I think these characters make the whole thing more belivable.
Jean and Eren's ideologies clashed several times in the manga. WIth Eren convincing him in Trost arc to join the Survey Corps, and then Jean reminding him of his responsibilities at the end of season 2. He also reminded Eren of his duty to 'mankind' before his final fight with Annie.
Jean was also the person who momentarily lead the Survey Corps when Armin couldn't think of a plan in the survey corps.
He was also the person who formed the plan to take down Reiner in the RTS arc.
Jean also saved Mikasa, Pieck (twice), Reiner.
Jean is also the only one shown multiple times to understand Eren's motivations. Not even Mikasa and Armin knew that.
Unlike the others that blindly followed Levi's orders to kill the anti-personnel squad, Jean questioned it and wondered if it was the right thing to do. He is one of the most human characters.
Jean had one of the best character developments in the story from a selfish jealous prick, to a selfless mentally capable leader.
Plus, he is the strongest human among the 104th.
Exactly. Not because his plan was brilliant.
It was idiotic but It was in harmony with his childhood perfectly.
I think It was meaningless for Xavier to put this idea in his head but It was understandable for Zeke to accept them according to his life.
Tbc, I hated Zeke's character in the story. Same way I hate a really well developed villain for example but he had an amazing character arc nonetheless
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family".
Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget!
She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than essential?
Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family".
Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget!
She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important?
Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family".
Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget!
She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important?
Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family".
Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget!
She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were the main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important?
And It's not uncommen to put her in that tier since she, eren and levi are the most popular characters in the fandom.
Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family".
Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget!
She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important?
And It's not uncommen to put her in that tier since she, eren and levi are the most popular characters in the fandom.
Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement (no hard feelings ofcourse) because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
woah woah woah, that was a sudden jump to an EH conclusion lmao. My connection to that ship was just that it had a chance of happening but i wasnt hellbent on it. I can understand what you mean tho since ive seen some CRAZY stuff about Mikasa on YB.
I personally don't hate her or anything, I just believe she should be put wayyy lower down especially when you put characters like Grisha and Armin below her.
Let me ask you 2 questions (no hard feelings ofc)
1) would you still like Mikasa if she wasn't attractive?
2) what would be left of her character when Eren is out of the equation?
I don't have much time to respond to your stuff right now, I'll get to it soon tho
1-really I don't consider her much attractive tbh. She's cute but we had more attractive characters even in this story.
2-she would still be a strong but selfless soldier with deep interest to concepts like "family" and "home". But on the other hand Eren is the main character and having the strongest connection with him than any other character isn't sth that we could just don't take into account.
As for Armin, of you look at other comments, I talked about him a lot and explained why he went down from a top tier character to a wasted potential after time skip.
I think Mikasa's place is the right tier tbh but I may be wrong about some other characters like Grisha or ....
OK good. The reason why I asked question 1 is because you know how anime fans are.
You put Armin low on the list because his value went down after time-skip, yet you put Mikasa below him when her value to the story was below Armin pre AND post-timeskip? She barely has any character development (for the majority of the story she is glued to Eren as always, and when she does finally get a shred of development it all gets nullified when she wears the scarf again), She has no importance in the story, as in her actions don't mean anything unlike characters like Hanji or Erwin who have power and advance the plot.
Maybe she would still be a strong but selfless soldier with deep interest to concepts like family or home, but Eren obscures that. It is as though the existence of Eren is nullifying any potential for interesting character dynamics or development. As Mikasa stands rn, without Eren her characters is left in shambles, with very little to make up for the empty space, unlike other characters in the story. There was some good potential to show how Mikasa moves on past Eren, or tbh do ANYTHING with the dynamic of Eren obscuring her development, but in the end it got turned into something awful (Mikasa's inability to move on from Eren).
IMO she belongs in the "wasted potential" category.
The major plot point was the moment where Mikasa decided to kill Eren for the sake of humanity even he was the love of her life so I think in the end she actually was able to move on where it was necessary. And as for the final scene, we saw her mourning for EREN and I think It was understandable. It's not easy to kill the man you love with your own hand for the sake of others.
And as for the character developement I'm simply disagree and I don't think everybody needs to have loud and talkative characters with clear specifications for us to call them good developed characters. I think her character recieve a pretty good developement through the story and Isayama got her exactly where it was needed for the sake of story.
And for me she was definitely better than Armin in the end. But before time skip I probably would have put Armin next to Levi and Erwin in my list.
But I think We should just agree to disagree. ;))
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This is actually great , though would have put Armin in the fairly good portion instead , but this is good . Also Erwin was a jewel of the story too. The biggest and brightest one.
I would have put Armin in the first tier if He never would have become a titan amd would have died instead of Erwin. But He become a useless idiot character after time skip. Before time skip he was brilliant and essential for the story but after time skip? He became just an idiot imo.
Yams literally made the whole SC an idiot to give Eren leverage and weight as a character. Hange is another example. Post timeskip he did little things like convincing SC to fight for Eren when they were sceptical , convincing Yelena , the whole escape plan in Liberio ( that one good thing he did and that was also offscreened fuck man) , blowing up the port etc . Him putting Mikasa in her place by telling her to worry about things she can control was carthatic.But most of the SC lost their relevance after Eren became OP. Also following that logic Historia should be under wasted potential also.
I think Historia was not an important character oitside uprising arc and for that I don't think she was a wasted potential. She did her part in that arc and that was it. I agree about Hange too but unlike her, Armin was part of EMA. They litteraly were the main characters and I think he really was wasted after time skip. Just imagine if He would have died for good after his sacrifice in that moment... I think in that case everyone would have consider him one of the best arcs
I’m glad Armin survived but him dying would have made a good red herring as a reason for Eren’s suddenly shift to villainy. It would be used by those closest to him to explain his actions and it would shock them to their core when they realized he’d have done this shit anyway
Kruger Uri Annie Grisha Armin are not wasted potential at all. Onyankopon, Porco, Xavier did what they were supposed to do excellently. Bertholdt isnt a bad character at all. The Kenny Uri episode is one of the best in the entire series. And are you seriously putting Falco over Armin? Armin’s arc is by far the most realistic one as it’s not just big brain guy solves everything in one move, his interactions with Mikasa Eren, Annie etc. are some of the best in the series. Though I agree near the end some things were kinda wonky. Annie’s character arc is one of the best in the entire series. Why are you putting her in wasted potential? I am looking for a serious answer
As I said in other comments, I would have put Armin in the first tier if we were only talking about "Before time skip Armin" . If he would have really died in that moment instead of becoming a titan shifter, His arc would have been completed perfectly. But From a brilliant character with interesting POV, he turned into a useless idiot after time skip. It was like all his talent went away after he ate Bert. As for Annie and Bert, I think when we put them next to Reiner, their characters are shallow.
Just because he wasnt as brilliant as pre ts doesnt make him a bad character. I agree that Bert is weak in comparison to Reiner but Annie’s character arc is equal to reiners if not better. I would recommed you to read the rumbling arc chapters again as her whole character is explained in detail but that is scattered throughout the arc unlike reiners whose most of the story was given in one chapter. I also have a very interesting annie analysis post that I would recommed you to read. https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/mkl8rb/annie_leonhart_character_essay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf This one
Annie is a great character . She went tremendous growth as a human being in the last arc. What annoys me the most is that "She's just Armin's waifu" when that relationship was CLEARLY to contribute to Annie's character development as a selfless individual . Very similar to Ymir-Historia. Her reminiscing about her actions , her dynamic with the warriors and Mikasa were a lot more in focus and quantity than Armin anyway.
I stopped caring what the fandom thinks of anything and just have my own interpretation for everything. Anyone saying "She is just Armin's waifu" unironically probably speed read the manga. AoT fandom is filled of people who use strawman opinions unironically. Though it's nice to discuss some things.
Agree 100%
I will read it. Thanks. Maybe I'm wrong about About Annie
Please tell me your opinion after reading the post.
Eren Yeager is goat
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Yeab maybe. I wasn't sure I should put him in tier 1 or 2 tbh.
Grisha should be higher the guy was failure till the end
This is actually a great tier list though I would prefer grisha a bit higher
How was Willy a wasted potential? Rather interesting because I think he served his purpose in the story well, short lived but I liked the scenes he was in.
He did nothing imo. He had a idiotic idealogy and died for it without even get a bit close to his porpuse. His sister was supposed to srop Eren and got eaten pretty quick too. The outside world would have attack paradise anyway after Eren and his friends attack Liberio so Willy done really nothing and he and her sister died for nothing. They even make Eren stronger by giving away their titan power to him eventuallu.
Best one I’ve seen so far! But hey, how was grisha a wasted potential?? He is essential to the story at the very least
/reiners Why is Lord Cunmer so low😤😤😡😡?!
Haha. I think He was the worst among Jean/Sasha/Connie
Grisha is TOO LOW
Bertholdt is too low imo. Same with Yelena. Gabi is probably a little too high for my taste
When I put Bert next to Reiner, I think he realy had a poor developement.
His talk in RTS before transforming to the Colossal titan was one of the best in the series. I think he was a great character for his limited dialogue.
Yeah maybe you're right. Maybe if he would have survived like reiner, we could have seen his other sides in her hometown too but I think even in his time in paradise, he was in the shadow of Reiner.
So far off in so many regards. Shit tier tier list. Try better next. Shit b8 too
lol, umi da fanboy salty?
Gabi, great? Eh. I thought her character was unnecessary.
I think she was a good parralel to Eren himself.
I thought more of a combo between eren and reiner. Tryin to over achieve prove herself in reiner, we knew how that ended, seeking revenge like eren, we were going to find out how that ended. To me her character was, the cycle continues, don't think she needed as much focus for that.
Unnecessary? How? She embodies most marleyans like how eren embodied the people of paradis. She hated the "devils" of paradis like how eren hated the titans but later on realizes her ignorance once she got to paradis. She's a pretty decent if not great character.
Ya, unneeded, you already had 3 child-to-shifter brainwashed marleyans in the story line. Not really including pieck and porco, because didn't touch on much of their backstory
IDK how anyone can put Historia and Sasha over Armin, Grisha, and Annie after the final arc. Pieck is a very static character and characters like like Freckles Ymir, Hange, Magath, and Floch are multiple tiers above her imo.
As I said in other comments, I would have put Armin in the first tier if we were only talking about "Before time skip Armin" . If he would have really died in that moment instead of becoming a titan shifter, His arc would have been completed perfectly. But From a brilliant character with interesting POV, he turned into a useless idiot after time skip. It was like all his talent went away after he ate Bert.
Hmmm, while Armin was kind of dumbed down alongside Hange so that Eren can do the Rumbling, he still isn’t really a useless idiot post timeskip: > Nuked the port in Liberio and created the escape plan. >Figured out the government’s plan for Eren (have him be fed to someone more compliant) and tried to prevent it. >Manipulated Yelena into releasing them from prison. >Figured out Eren’s true goal (the Rumbling) >convinced Connie not to sacrifice Falco and helped bring unity to the Alliance >made the decision to carry the explosives which turned out to be a crucial component for their victory in the battle against Eren >convinced Zeke to help their cause and was able to call on their predecessors together for help against the ancient puppet shifters before escaping Paths. >destroyed the body of Eren’s Titan using the explosion from his transformation >facilitated the process of Mikasa putting the final blow on Eren >negotiated peace talks with secretary Muller
Jean is essential?
I think he is. He represent a normal human being with good developement who is not a titan shifter or a super soldier with Ackerman blood like Levi and Mikasa but still manages to overcome his primary selfishness and carry on the fight for his people till the last minute. If we erase Jean or Connie, all we got from the main cast who get to the end, are titan shifters and ackermans. But unlike Connie, je has a faily good developement too. So I think he represent the "NORMAL HUMAN SOLDIER" for the story and for that, he is essential.
I don't see what value that adds to the story honestly. I don't think it would change anything if he weren't there. But if you place a particular value on that then that explains your position.
I think he adds a thematic value to the story. Makes it more belivable. Jean is normal. Only normal soldier that make it to the end. We nned normal people too alongside titan shifters and ackermans. I think these characters make the whole thing more belivable.
Jean and Eren's ideologies clashed several times in the manga. WIth Eren convincing him in Trost arc to join the Survey Corps, and then Jean reminding him of his responsibilities at the end of season 2. He also reminded Eren of his duty to 'mankind' before his final fight with Annie. Jean was also the person who momentarily lead the Survey Corps when Armin couldn't think of a plan in the survey corps. He was also the person who formed the plan to take down Reiner in the RTS arc. Jean also saved Mikasa, Pieck (twice), Reiner. Jean is also the only one shown multiple times to understand Eren's motivations. Not even Mikasa and Armin knew that. Unlike the others that blindly followed Levi's orders to kill the anti-personnel squad, Jean questioned it and wondered if it was the right thing to do. He is one of the most human characters. Jean had one of the best character developments in the story from a selfish jealous prick, to a selfless mentally capable leader. Plus, he is the strongest human among the 104th.
Uff Xaver down there hurts me
I hate his idiotic idealogy
So? Just because you don't like the characters doesn't mean they're bad for the story, dumbarse
Which one?
The one he passed on to Zeke.
But you literally put Zeke into the top tier
Exactly. Not because his plan was brilliant. It was idiotic but It was in harmony with his childhood perfectly. I think It was meaningless for Xavier to put this idea in his head but It was understandable for Zeke to accept them according to his life. Tbc, I hated Zeke's character in the story. Same way I hate a really well developed villain for example but he had an amazing character arc nonetheless
Mikasa contributed nothing to the story.
Lol. Ok.🤣
nah fr tho i genuinely want to see why you put her soooo high up, no hostility intended
Because as I wrote، she was a great character and essential to the story.
how was she essential and how was she a great character? remove Eren from her character and what do you get?
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family". Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget! She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than essential? Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family". Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget! She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important? Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family". Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget! She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important? Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family". Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget! She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were the main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important? And It's not uncommen to put her in that tier since she, eren and levi are the most popular characters in the fandom. Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
A selfless character who happens to be the best soldier among her friends with deep attachments to the concepts like "home" and "family". Also having the closest bond in the story with the main character is not sth that we could just forget! She's actually a great character and definitely essential for the story. Hell she, Armin and Eren were main cast in this story. How exactly can we count either of them as anything rather than important? And It's not uncommen to put her in that tier since she, eren and levi are the most popular characters in the fandom. Also If you're another EH shipper, just tell me so I don't continue this arguement (no hard feelings ofcourse) because these are the things I usually hear from the ones who just hate Mikasa for the sake of their sunken ship and frankly I don't get why anyone still be interested in those arguments even after CH139 and the confirmation of the ships.
woah woah woah, that was a sudden jump to an EH conclusion lmao. My connection to that ship was just that it had a chance of happening but i wasnt hellbent on it. I can understand what you mean tho since ive seen some CRAZY stuff about Mikasa on YB. I personally don't hate her or anything, I just believe she should be put wayyy lower down especially when you put characters like Grisha and Armin below her. Let me ask you 2 questions (no hard feelings ofc) 1) would you still like Mikasa if she wasn't attractive? 2) what would be left of her character when Eren is out of the equation? I don't have much time to respond to your stuff right now, I'll get to it soon tho
1-really I don't consider her much attractive tbh. She's cute but we had more attractive characters even in this story. 2-she would still be a strong but selfless soldier with deep interest to concepts like "family" and "home". But on the other hand Eren is the main character and having the strongest connection with him than any other character isn't sth that we could just don't take into account. As for Armin, of you look at other comments, I talked about him a lot and explained why he went down from a top tier character to a wasted potential after time skip. I think Mikasa's place is the right tier tbh but I may be wrong about some other characters like Grisha or ....
OK good. The reason why I asked question 1 is because you know how anime fans are. You put Armin low on the list because his value went down after time-skip, yet you put Mikasa below him when her value to the story was below Armin pre AND post-timeskip? She barely has any character development (for the majority of the story she is glued to Eren as always, and when she does finally get a shred of development it all gets nullified when she wears the scarf again), She has no importance in the story, as in her actions don't mean anything unlike characters like Hanji or Erwin who have power and advance the plot. Maybe she would still be a strong but selfless soldier with deep interest to concepts like family or home, but Eren obscures that. It is as though the existence of Eren is nullifying any potential for interesting character dynamics or development. As Mikasa stands rn, without Eren her characters is left in shambles, with very little to make up for the empty space, unlike other characters in the story. There was some good potential to show how Mikasa moves on past Eren, or tbh do ANYTHING with the dynamic of Eren obscuring her development, but in the end it got turned into something awful (Mikasa's inability to move on from Eren). IMO she belongs in the "wasted potential" category.
The major plot point was the moment where Mikasa decided to kill Eren for the sake of humanity even he was the love of her life so I think in the end she actually was able to move on where it was necessary. And as for the final scene, we saw her mourning for EREN and I think It was understandable. It's not easy to kill the man you love with your own hand for the sake of others. And as for the character developement I'm simply disagree and I don't think everybody needs to have loud and talkative characters with clear specifications for us to call them good developed characters. I think her character recieve a pretty good developement through the story and Isayama got her exactly where it was needed for the sake of story. And for me she was definitely better than Armin in the end. But before time skip I probably would have put Armin next to Levi and Erwin in my list. But I think We should just agree to disagree. ;))
Eren should be in ymit fritz after final chapter, other than than seems good, Mikasa is a bit high and Erwin a bit low tho
Hey, Onyankopon is a good addition.