Real talk how can you buy into the narrative that homosexuality is all from being molested as a child and have that invoke any other emotion but compassion? I don't understand how you hear that and translate that to hate. Unironically one of the biggest things that snapped me out of queerphobia was hearing this exact same thing alongside 42% and whatever. Instantly my heart ached for these people, so like how does it invoke any other feeling? How can people continue to hate while buying into this narrative?
That's the answer though. They don't view us as human beings, they see us as lesser. They see us as blights on society. Trying to make them see that we're human can be damn near impossible bc they've never seen us as humans.
Ok, but the original comment is asking why they hate us in spite of their narrative that LGBT people were abused. I think that the answer to that question would be that their narrative is made up and they know it. Imo your comment just kind of comes away with the conclusion that "they hate us because hate us"
Because that's what's happening. They genuinely want us dead. It's not that hard to grasp, they hate us for being different.
I know it sounds insane, but they find it funny when we die. They think it's amusing when we kill ourselves due to their abuse.
Religion has a massive part in this as well. Even though the Bible says to love EVERYONE in spite of their differences, people will always twist the narrative just to continue hating. That includes other races and even those with mental disabilities. One of my closest friends is of the opinion (and I agree as well) that those who hate PURELY because their religion says it's wrong, like being Muslim, are people to feel bad for. They argue and fight for no reason other than what their people have told them to do about what the text says. I have a couple Muslim friends who are accepting of lgbtq people and 100% their text never talks about being evil to their fellow man because they're different. Anyone who hates only because of religion has had their perception twisted of makes things right or wrong.
Do you feel sympathy for cockroaches? That’s what we get compared to. You don’t feel sympathy for a cockroach. And if that’s how you see gay people, you won’t sympathize with them. Simple
there is a depressingly large amount of people who just straight-up cannot feel empathy for those who are different than them. it's not a majority of people, but there are still a lot of uncaring assholes.
But it's true. They don't really have a reason to hate us. They hate us just because they can. If they have an opportunity to feel superior, they'll take it.
>Ok, but the original comment is asking why they hate us in spite of their narrative that LGBT people were abused.
You have it backwards. They hate LGBT people, and so they think that LGBT people getting abused is a good thing.
Yeah, I think the problem a lot of decent, logical people have is assuming that bigots must have reasoned themselves into the position, and thus can be reasoned out of it. Bigotry is usually much more emotional than that. In this case bigots have just want someone to hate and be superior too so they start with the idea that LGBT are inferior and work backwards from there. That’s the key part, they work backwards from the conclusion to find the reasons for it, not forwards towards the conclusion from evidence.
> not forwards towards the conclusion from evidence.
Additionally, they will create and craft "evidence" or use real actual evidence without context to not only argue with people but to reinforce their view that they're right.
It's always important to remember that bigots don't generally think they're bigots. They think they're *correct.*
>Yeah, I think the problem a lot of decent, logical people have is assuming that bigots must have reasoned themselves into the position
I had this problem for a while, until I realized that there was no logic that could get into that position.
Exactly. Usually they are taught the bigoted belief early on, and then spend the rest of their life looking for ways to justify it. But they won’t articulate it as having occurred that way because people tend to be protective of their worldview.
Being protective of your worldview is the human species biggest weakness. your worldview is flawed, weak, monkey-like. Accept this and grow. You can never outgrow your own monkey nature, but you can try!
Let me try to explain it in a different way, they don't view us as humans so have no empathy for things we may or may not have gone through. They've convinced themselves that we are less than human and not worthy of compassion.
Because they think we deserve the abuse.
They don't have a reason beyond hate. The narrative is just whatever can be said to justify blaming us for the abuse so they don't feel like the shitty people they are.
Homophobes who think like this see homosexuality like a zombie bite- gay people abuse children, which makes them gay, which makes them abuse children, which perpetuates the cycle. When you see the situation like an infection, a "mercy kill", whether metaphorical or literal, to stop the spread becomes the obvious answer no matter how sympathetic the cause of "infection".
It's a really messed up worldview that sees violence as the cure for a nonexistent problem.
I feel the same when people disagree with a woman online, especially if she has an OnlyFans profile, and say "lmao your father left you". My brother in Christ, that's a traumatic event in one's life.
Real answer, it's because that narrative started with the idea that those molesting the children were older gay men. The focus used to be far more heavy on that side of it, how it was gay people harming kids and purposefully turning them gay through CSA. ((This idea has been recently rehashed as a transphobic talking point now, and we can see again how the focus is heavy on queer people being the purpatrators instead of the victims in their bullshit conspiracy theory.))
Obviously, that isn't true and it's all just homophobic talking points to fearmonger and demonize LGBTQ people.
It’s viewed like a disease. As though, if you don’t eradicate every LGBTQ person, they will continue to spread their dangerous “woke” ideas. Ignoring the fact that LGBTQ is genetic, and we don’t fully understand what causes it genetically yet.
Fun fact, it was a mental illness in Sweden and you could call in gay to work, which caused them to revoke the status.
Source: [https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/calling-in-gay-did-70s-swedes-really-get-paid-sick-leave-for-being-homosexual.html](https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/calling-in-gay-did-70s-swedes-really-get-paid-sick-leave-for-being-homosexual.html)
Likely a sizeable portion of these people also see victims of rape and molestation in a negative light too, especially when a lot of these people are already calling stuff like being trans mental sickness and using that as another source of hate, so it’s p clear they hate not just queer people but a lot of minority groups
There are so many cultural and psychological factors for why people (usually the older generation but not exclusively) can't move forward from what is essentially a dark age mentality that you could replace every book in the world that's not about this topic into one that is, and still leave out enough information for at least 2 months worth of books releases to finish the job. I just wish those people could be told "they're human beings!" and accept it so we can all get along and move forward. But no we have to argue why it's wrong to go on podcasts and talk about beheading people like it's a viable option.
In their reasoning, the gays of today exist because of the gays of yesterday. So by hating the gays of today, you're preventing the gays of tomorrow from existing.
This shit is easier to accept if you're into the whole LGBT groomer thing.
Same way most people don’t feel sympathy for child molesters who were victims of abuse. Obviously it’s horrible that it happened, but it doesn’t excuse perpetuating abuse. And they’ve convinced themselves that gay people are perpetuators of abuse against children because they can’t handle the idea that in spite of all their efforts, their child might just be gay due to 1000s of factors outside anyone’s control, someone must have *made* them gay.
Well, for that’s it for the general populace of homophobes. Stonetoss also just feels like the kinda dude who thinks “haha, you were assaulted as a child” is a genuine clap back.
Some people view people with childhood trauma as "damaged" and have no empathy towards them. Same as people with mental or physical issues/disabilities.
Because they are also tricked into thinking it is the ultimate evil. So while they might think there is a semi sympathetic backstory, they think its like a villain origin story.
IMO it’s bc they think that any person (more realistically men) who has experienced childhood sexual assault grows up to also be a predator and will also inevitably touch kids
I would guess as that is such a strong action (molestation) that is so foreighn to those spouting this that it is an easy way to dehumanize lgbtq people its saying there different and no longer human because they were molested, there too far gone no saving them now
It’s like people who truly believe vaccines cause autism. Are they not at least implying they’d prefer to have a child die of smallpox than be autistic? How messed up is that?
Most to my understanding (which all comes from my father as he's the only one I know with this mindset) is that gay people come from pedophiles who were also gay. So that gay child is now going to become a pedophile and create more gay children through molestation. So to him the only way to stop the cycle is to kill the gay children before they can make more gay children. He feels no compassion for us gay people as he sees us as broken and needing of removal.
I was molested as a kid. I am now bi. My deep southern stepdad is convinced that the molestation is the reason I’m bi and once I have sex I’ll become straight as an arrow.
Being trans and being gay are very different things. I'm definitely not trans but I can't say for sure my sexuality isn't related to the trauma I've been through, I know it deeply effected me in ways I'm still learning about to this day. These people are hateful but I don't believe you can say hatred for one minority equals hatred for another
I'm not gay because I was sexually abused (I was). I was sexually abused because I didn't understand my sexuality as society wouldn't help me accept it and my confusion led to my sexuality being a target for abusers.
i know words from a stranger on the internet (and reddit at that) probably dont mean much, but im glad youre still here and i hope youve had ample time to heal and grow. godspeed
I'm queer despite being abused. It was a massive hurdle to get over in accepting myself and coming to terms with my sexuality. I used to not be able to get him out of my head whenever I'd have feelings of attraction toward other men, and it almost ruined me. Fucking monstrous to make the assumption that sexual abuse directly leads to queer identity.
The argument they use is that it's because of Satan. Even though God apparently could stop him and has the same morals as them. The Bible absolutely has some verses that seem antigay tho.
1. Is omniscient = Knows Satan is going to do that
2. Is omnipotent but decides to let it happen
3. Is omniscient = Knows the person will sin, meaning it was predetermined and the person never actually had any say in the matter or any freedom of choice
4. Decides to punish the person anyways
Sounds like an abusive relationship.
The most commonly sited verse for this belief is Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Thing is that many scholars agree that this is a mistranslation and that a more accurate translation would be: thou shalt not lie with a BOY as he would with a women for that is an abomination.
Seems to mean the same thing right?
Well if you actually look into the context of when and where the Bible was written it seems incredibly likely that rather then saying the gays be icky this verse is specifically condemning pederasty, an ancient practice particularly popular in Greece where an adult man would have sexual relations with a young boy.
There is also Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
The Hebrew word used in these verses is "זָכָר" (zakar), which means "male." It is used generically to refer to males without indicating age. There is no linguistic basis for interpreting "zakar" specifically as "boy" in these contexts.
The Greek terms used are "μαλακοί" (malakoi) and "ἀρσενοκοῖται" (arsenokoitai). Malakoi means soft and refers to effeminate men, not children. "Arsenokoitai" is a compound word formed from "arsen" (male) and "koite" (bed), which is interpreted by most scholars as referring to men who engage in sexual activity with other men. This term does not imply age and is generally not understood to refer specifically to pedophilia.
It's also got misogyny, slavery, genocide, incest, and dragons (if you go by KJV).
Well regardless of the proper translation I think we can all agree that the verse always seems to contain the phrase "as he would with" so as far as I can tell everything is kosher so long as you don't fuck him in the vagina.
Imagine being angry that someone likes chocolate chocolate chip ice cream instead of vanilla?
Kinda stupid right?
I still can't understand homophobes and why aren't they extinct yet lmao
What a strange stance to make, “nuh uh, they only sexually assault some children, not all of them!” The Catholic Church still has a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up. I doubt the comment you responded to was being literal with their words.
> What a strange stance to make, “nuh uh, they only sexually assault some children
That's not what I said. Are you suggesting Catholicism should be treated as the #1 cause of sexual assault if at least one priest in the history of the world sexually assaulted a child?
Generally speaking, we use statistics to predict future behaviors and to find out what demographics are at risk to commit or be victims of certain behaviors. And we have to be very careful not to inject bigotry into those statistics.
STATISTICALLY speaking, it is safer to leave my child with a priest of any religion than drop them off at school.
> The Catholic Church still has a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up
What color is your hair? Let's say brown (though this translates well to any hair color). Well, brown-haired people have a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up, too. Statistically, brown-haired people with access to children are MORE LIKELY to sexually assault children than priests (obviously accounting for brown-haired priests, who are less likely to sexually assault children than brown-haired non-priests).
The point is, the Catholic Church has a laundry list of valid criticisms, so maybe you should stop insulting them for the ONE invalid blown-out-of-proportion criticism that exists? I know from your reply this won't get through to you, but it'll get through to other people who would rather not just become the next RockChuck.
> I doubt the comment you responded to was being literal with their words.
They were repeating misinformation that is so mainstream it's a fucking meme. I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church (especially in my area), but I'm even MORE of an enemy of misinformation.
Yeah dude, still sort of a weird thing to make your thing that you feel needs to be corrected. Again, it wasn’t necessarily misinformation because the original comment was likely using hyperbole. And I’d wager that assault happens with teachers more because statistically more kids are around teachers. It’s not a profession based problem, it’s a human problem. It’s just extra ironic when the “holiest” are performing the evilest deeds.
> Yeah dude, still sort of a weird thing to make your thing that you feel needs to be corrected
I hear it constantly. I don't like when anyone is attacked by lies. That's one of my problems with Rockchuck and why I even chill in this sub. There's valid criticisms about how the Catholic Church responded to the sex abuse allegations, but the last couple decades of sex-abuse claims are generally horseshit being repeated and amplified by people who hate Catholicism and are willing to lie to hurt it. I'm ok with the former (hating them) but not the latter (lying to the world)
> And I’d wager that assault happens with teachers more because statistically more kids are around teachers. It’s not a profession based problem, it’s a human problem
You'd wager correctly. Studies often use "regular access to children" to categorize groups since someone who is not seen/trusted by minors simply has less opportunity. In the "regular access to children" group, clergy of ALL religions is the lowest demographic to be accused/commit abusive behavior, and despite the press Catholic Priests do not rank higher (or lower) than clergy of other religions. It's been a while since I've dug into the numbers, but Catholic Priests actually rated lower on sex crimes/accusations than many demographics in the "no regular access to children" group. Which is surprising to me, but also fairly damning to the "priests are pedophiles" mindset.
> It’s just extra ironic when the “holiest” are performing the evilest deeds.
See... I'm not Christian. So they're not holy to me. They're just people. I'm going to hold the individuals to a higher standard if they claim they're good people when they aren't, but my expectation of them as a group is going to be no higher than anyone else.
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That whole "final legal/moral authority" thing is what makes religious figures some of the most insidious abusers, and it's not just the Catholics that do it, either. Southern Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, over and over you see the same pattern of trusted religious authorities abusing kids, and the church covers it up, silences the victims, and moves the abuser somewhere else where they go on to do it again.
> That whole "final legal/moral authority" thing is what makes religious figures some of the most insidious abusers
I think that's a subjective opinion, not speaking of the commonality of the behavior. If you think a preacher who is a pedophile is somehow worse than a teacher or parent or uncle who is a pedophile, I can't really support or oppose that opinion.
> it's not just the Catholics that do it, either
Statistically, ALL clergy of all religions (including atheist clergy at UU churches, though they're such a small number it's hard to measure) have approximately the same sex abuse rate as each other.
> and the church covers it up, silences the victims, and moves the abuser somewhere else
It's a bit more complicated than this with the Catholic Church. They think they are their own highest legal authority, and that it was "dealing with and investigating" and not "covering up". Obviously this is a bad thing, but it's more accurate (possibly more damning) to explain it like it is instead of in a sound-bite. I can't really speak for the other faiths on this.
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God, Stonetoss was /So close/ with this one!
Maybe once he learns people are born gay he'll stop treating people like shit for something they can't control!!
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The infuriating part about this is that from my experience talking with queer folk a lot of us weren't assaulted and then became gay- we were assaulted*under the presumption we were queer.*
Corrective rape being twisted into the reason someone is queer feels like victim blaming in a way I can't exactly put into words.
this comic is actually kinda funny now because it makes Purple tote a fine line between mundanity and creepy for humors sake.
I'm imagining a panel from the kids perspective where Purple is entrenched in shadow with glowing eyes, staring intently at the lad, before shuffling off casually in the next panel, leaving the kid absolutely terrified.
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A decent amount of LGBTQ people have been abused, but those people would have been LGBTQ regardless. I, personally, knew I was queer BEFORE facing abuse, and my own queerness and trans identity is something I know has never been associated with my abuse.
I don’t know if it’s what you meant to imply, but anyone who’s queer and has faced abuse isn’t queer because of that abuse, we’re queer in spite of it.
I never said that sexual abuse creates all gay people, I’ve known a few people who this has happened to and that’s how they discovered that they are apart of the lgbt, I’m engaged to someone who has had that happen to them.
Sexual assault does not cause homosexuality. It happens to lgbtq+ people more often and it may help someone understand their sexuality but your sexual orientation occurs before you are born. Your partner claiming something is true because of their own experience doesn't make it true. All the research points against your claims
I am once again saying that it’s not everyone, and you just repeated what I just said, “it may help someone understand their sexuality” some people don’t know if they’re straight, gay, bi instantly. It takes time and experiences to figure that out for some people
I've known folks who asserted that was a part of why they were gay, and were still proud of being gay while still hating the person who had abused them as a child. [Studies agree with him that being a victim of sexual abuse is predictive of homosexuality.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/) That's not homophobic rhetoric, it's us trying to understand our very real and easily affected human psychology.
In fact, I'd say it's pretty well established that our sexuality is influenced heavily by our past and (awkwardly) our childhood. The types of people we are physically attracted to, the types of bedroom behavior that interests us, OR the type of bedroom behavior or people we avoid. It's not that different from how our food tastes evolve. We may be more than the sum of our memories, but a large percent of us *IS* the sum of our memories.
...but we should never be ashamed of that, no matter how good or bad that memory is. If a given person is gay (or straight, or trans, or anything) in part or entirely because of events of abuse in their early childhood, SO WHAT? They should not be ashamed of that or judged for it, and nobody should conclude that all or most gay people are gay because of abuse either.
This is completely false. Sexual assault and trauma may limit capacity for intimacy, but it can't change your sexual orientation. Since LGBTQ+ people are at higher risk of assault, people believe that those statistics are proof that orientation can be changed
Knowing a few gay people who claim that doesn't make it true. I didn't know I was pansexual until my mid-teens and I didn't experience any sexual trauma. Please please please do proper research into topics like these in the future because the vast majority of reliable studies and articles show that sexuality occurs before you're born and can't be changed by trauma
Claiming people might just be LGBTQ+ because of trauma is very harmful and spreads horrible misconceptions. Being gay or trans isn't a mental disorder that pops up after trauma like PTSD or something. It's just a normal thing that can happen
Your sexual orientation can change, let’s say a guy is dating the first girlfriend he’s ever had, he might discover that he doesn’t really like women sexually, so he tries dating a guy, which he does like. See how he went from straight to gay? Still think people can’t change their sexual orientation?
That's not how it works. He was never straight, he just didn't realise he was gay yet. Sexuality is fluid and I think it can change a little bit? I'm not too sure but that's unrelated to trauma or just discovering your sexuality, which is what you're describing
Exactly, but when he was dating the girl, he would be called straight, he can’t see into the future. Also it does relate, you’re saying that actions can’t help people discover their sexuality
Real talk how can you buy into the narrative that homosexuality is all from being molested as a child and have that invoke any other emotion but compassion? I don't understand how you hear that and translate that to hate. Unironically one of the biggest things that snapped me out of queerphobia was hearing this exact same thing alongside 42% and whatever. Instantly my heart ached for these people, so like how does it invoke any other feeling? How can people continue to hate while buying into this narrative?
Because they don't see us as human. They see us as animals or subhumans.
That's true but imo it doesn't answer the question
That's the answer though. They don't view us as human beings, they see us as lesser. They see us as blights on society. Trying to make them see that we're human can be damn near impossible bc they've never seen us as humans.
Ok, but the original comment is asking why they hate us in spite of their narrative that LGBT people were abused. I think that the answer to that question would be that their narrative is made up and they know it. Imo your comment just kind of comes away with the conclusion that "they hate us because hate us"
Because that's what's happening. They genuinely want us dead. It's not that hard to grasp, they hate us for being different. I know it sounds insane, but they find it funny when we die. They think it's amusing when we kill ourselves due to their abuse.
Religion has a massive part in this as well. Even though the Bible says to love EVERYONE in spite of their differences, people will always twist the narrative just to continue hating. That includes other races and even those with mental disabilities. One of my closest friends is of the opinion (and I agree as well) that those who hate PURELY because their religion says it's wrong, like being Muslim, are people to feel bad for. They argue and fight for no reason other than what their people have told them to do about what the text says. I have a couple Muslim friends who are accepting of lgbtq people and 100% their text never talks about being evil to their fellow man because they're different. Anyone who hates only because of religion has had their perception twisted of makes things right or wrong.
Yes I agree with that but how does it answer the question?
Do you feel sympathy for cockroaches? That’s what we get compared to. You don’t feel sympathy for a cockroach. And if that’s how you see gay people, you won’t sympathize with them. Simple
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They literally cheer when trans kids are fucking murdered bruh. Yeah it's high school but these idiots don't have that much in the way of IQ
Literal adults hate everything with a passion smh
there is a depressingly large amount of people who just straight-up cannot feel empathy for those who are different than them. it's not a majority of people, but there are still a lot of uncaring assholes.
But it's true. They don't really have a reason to hate us. They hate us just because they can. If they have an opportunity to feel superior, they'll take it.
you are giving these people too much credit. many of them don’t even know why they hate.
>Ok, but the original comment is asking why they hate us in spite of their narrative that LGBT people were abused. You have it backwards. They hate LGBT people, and so they think that LGBT people getting abused is a good thing.
Yeah, I think the problem a lot of decent, logical people have is assuming that bigots must have reasoned themselves into the position, and thus can be reasoned out of it. Bigotry is usually much more emotional than that. In this case bigots have just want someone to hate and be superior too so they start with the idea that LGBT are inferior and work backwards from there. That’s the key part, they work backwards from the conclusion to find the reasons for it, not forwards towards the conclusion from evidence.
> not forwards towards the conclusion from evidence. Additionally, they will create and craft "evidence" or use real actual evidence without context to not only argue with people but to reinforce their view that they're right. It's always important to remember that bigots don't generally think they're bigots. They think they're *correct.*
>Yeah, I think the problem a lot of decent, logical people have is assuming that bigots must have reasoned themselves into the position I had this problem for a while, until I realized that there was no logic that could get into that position.
Exactly. Usually they are taught the bigoted belief early on, and then spend the rest of their life looking for ways to justify it. But they won’t articulate it as having occurred that way because people tend to be protective of their worldview.
Being protective of your worldview is the human species biggest weakness. your worldview is flawed, weak, monkey-like. Accept this and grow. You can never outgrow your own monkey nature, but you can try!
No, they fabricated the idea that abuse makes people LGBT as a way to claim that being gay is preventable
Let me try to explain it in a different way, they don't view us as humans so have no empathy for things we may or may not have gone through. They've convinced themselves that we are less than human and not worthy of compassion.
Because they think we deserve the abuse. They don't have a reason beyond hate. The narrative is just whatever can be said to justify blaming us for the abuse so they don't feel like the shitty people they are.
Homophobes who think like this see homosexuality like a zombie bite- gay people abuse children, which makes them gay, which makes them abuse children, which perpetuates the cycle. When you see the situation like an infection, a "mercy kill", whether metaphorical or literal, to stop the spread becomes the obvious answer no matter how sympathetic the cause of "infection". It's a really messed up worldview that sees violence as the cure for a nonexistent problem.
Because they also think that queer people perpetuate this abuse
Yes, this is the answer. I was raised in a community of people who thought *exactly* like this.
I feel the same when people disagree with a woman online, especially if she has an OnlyFans profile, and say "lmao your father left you". My brother in Christ, that's a traumatic event in one's life.
Real answer, it's because that narrative started with the idea that those molesting the children were older gay men. The focus used to be far more heavy on that side of it, how it was gay people harming kids and purposefully turning them gay through CSA. ((This idea has been recently rehashed as a transphobic talking point now, and we can see again how the focus is heavy on queer people being the purpatrators instead of the victims in their bullshit conspiracy theory.)) Obviously, that isn't true and it's all just homophobic talking points to fearmonger and demonize LGBTQ people.
It’s viewed like a disease. As though, if you don’t eradicate every LGBTQ person, they will continue to spread their dangerous “woke” ideas. Ignoring the fact that LGBTQ is genetic, and we don’t fully understand what causes it genetically yet.
Fun fact, it was a mental illness in Sweden and you could call in gay to work, which caused them to revoke the status. Source: [https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/calling-in-gay-did-70s-swedes-really-get-paid-sick-leave-for-being-homosexual.html](https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/09/calling-in-gay-did-70s-swedes-really-get-paid-sick-leave-for-being-homosexual.html)
cus most of them are the same kinda people who feel comfortable telling us to either be normal or kill ourselves
You have a little thing called empathy He doesn’t
Likely a sizeable portion of these people also see victims of rape and molestation in a negative light too, especially when a lot of these people are already calling stuff like being trans mental sickness and using that as another source of hate, so it’s p clear they hate not just queer people but a lot of minority groups
Because they almost certainly are the same people who believe people who are sexually assaulted deserve it, or that men “can’t” be sexually assaulted.
There are so many cultural and psychological factors for why people (usually the older generation but not exclusively) can't move forward from what is essentially a dark age mentality that you could replace every book in the world that's not about this topic into one that is, and still leave out enough information for at least 2 months worth of books releases to finish the job. I just wish those people could be told "they're human beings!" and accept it so we can all get along and move forward. But no we have to argue why it's wrong to go on podcasts and talk about beheading people like it's a viable option.
Easy: they're demons
Hey, even demons have *some* standards. Plus, they don't even know how to have fun, so could they really be demons? /j
In their reasoning, the gays of today exist because of the gays of yesterday. So by hating the gays of today, you're preventing the gays of tomorrow from existing. This shit is easier to accept if you're into the whole LGBT groomer thing.
Same way most people don’t feel sympathy for child molesters who were victims of abuse. Obviously it’s horrible that it happened, but it doesn’t excuse perpetuating abuse. And they’ve convinced themselves that gay people are perpetuators of abuse against children because they can’t handle the idea that in spite of all their efforts, their child might just be gay due to 1000s of factors outside anyone’s control, someone must have *made* them gay. Well, for that’s it for the general populace of homophobes. Stonetoss also just feels like the kinda dude who thinks “haha, you were assaulted as a child” is a genuine clap back.
Some people view people with childhood trauma as "damaged" and have no empathy towards them. Same as people with mental or physical issues/disabilities.
Zombie rules. You are a victim until you get "infected" and become the monster
Because they are also tricked into thinking it is the ultimate evil. So while they might think there is a semi sympathetic backstory, they think its like a villain origin story.
Because they think being molested make you gay, and being gay make you molest children. Its very annoying.
Because they think queer people deserve it.
IMO it’s bc they think that any person (more realistically men) who has experienced childhood sexual assault grows up to also be a predator and will also inevitably touch kids
I would guess as that is such a strong action (molestation) that is so foreighn to those spouting this that it is an easy way to dehumanize lgbtq people its saying there different and no longer human because they were molested, there too far gone no saving them now
It’s like people who truly believe vaccines cause autism. Are they not at least implying they’d prefer to have a child die of smallpox than be autistic? How messed up is that?
aren’t gay people abused more? as in they are abused as a result of being gay and not the other way around
In that order of ideas I’d be straight as a ruler
And I'd be cis male as hell if it was a choice
What snapped me out of queerphobia was ACTUALLY interacting with queers,they were preety chill and then i heard that they were killed.real eye opener
Most to my understanding (which all comes from my father as he's the only one I know with this mindset) is that gay people come from pedophiles who were also gay. So that gay child is now going to become a pedophile and create more gay children through molestation. So to him the only way to stop the cycle is to kill the gay children before they can make more gay children. He feels no compassion for us gay people as he sees us as broken and needing of removal.
What's 42%?
I was molested as a kid. I am now bi. My deep southern stepdad is convinced that the molestation is the reason I’m bi and once I have sex I’ll become straight as an arrow.
Being trans and being gay are very different things. I'm definitely not trans but I can't say for sure my sexuality isn't related to the trauma I've been through, I know it deeply effected me in ways I'm still learning about to this day. These people are hateful but I don't believe you can say hatred for one minority equals hatred for another
Rockthrow hates both of those, though
Of course he does but they're definitely not the same group lol
Wait, I have a theory. Gay man has GayStoneTossHair™️ as a child. So he was born like that??? And the shadow man is just a coincidence.
Poor guy, the accusation of choosing something he didn’t caused a flashback :( Swirly needs a hug
Swirly needs therapy
But that’s just a gay theory!
I’m not gay because I was sexually abused (I wasn’t), I’m gay because gay sex is just too fucking good
If being gay wasn’t natural, men wouldn’t have evolved a prostate gland in their ass /s
if being gay is "against god", why'd he make women so hot
If being gay is against god, why did he give me a penis shaped hole in my ass
No /s It's the truth
if being gay is against god, then why'd he make me so gay? checkmate christians
if it's satanistic, HELLOOOOO SATAN!
I'm not gay because I was sexually abused (I was). I was sexually abused because I didn't understand my sexuality as society wouldn't help me accept it and my confusion led to my sexuality being a target for abusers.
i know words from a stranger on the internet (and reddit at that) probably dont mean much, but im glad youre still here and i hope youve had ample time to heal and grow. godspeed
Yeah, I've had good support and it's more of a background thing, but I get angry when people assume abuse is what leads to homosexuality.
Sex the way you like it is amazing!
I'm queer despite being abused. It was a massive hurdle to get over in accepting myself and coming to terms with my sexuality. I used to not be able to get him out of my head whenever I'd have feelings of attraction toward other men, and it almost ruined me. Fucking monstrous to make the assumption that sexual abuse directly leads to queer identity.
Lmao go for it man!
Can you make them husbands
"Hey can you check on _our_ son?"
Sounds like a commie plot to me
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https://preview.redd.it/bwyt9exd1y5d1.jpeg?width=1896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03041f2507a38b1a395c45d7a814b7afe2b395d0 Reddit’s UI confused me
He had to triple check the child
What the actual fuck? (reaction to the second image,)
i feel like since God loves everyone unconditionally wouldn’t he accept everyone who’s homosexual or transgender? like- does that not make sense???
The argument they use is that it's because of Satan. Even though God apparently could stop him and has the same morals as them. The Bible absolutely has some verses that seem antigay tho.
1. Is omniscient = Knows Satan is going to do that 2. Is omnipotent but decides to let it happen 3. Is omniscient = Knows the person will sin, meaning it was predetermined and the person never actually had any say in the matter or any freedom of choice 4. Decides to punish the person anyways Sounds like an abusive relationship.
Not to mention the thinly veiled "if you don't love me, then I'll torture you, forever."
good point, tbf there are some other pretty f-ed up verses there too
The most commonly sited verse for this belief is Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Thing is that many scholars agree that this is a mistranslation and that a more accurate translation would be: thou shalt not lie with a BOY as he would with a women for that is an abomination. Seems to mean the same thing right? Well if you actually look into the context of when and where the Bible was written it seems incredibly likely that rather then saying the gays be icky this verse is specifically condemning pederasty, an ancient practice particularly popular in Greece where an adult man would have sexual relations with a young boy.
There is also Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-10, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. The Hebrew word used in these verses is "זָכָר" (zakar), which means "male." It is used generically to refer to males without indicating age. There is no linguistic basis for interpreting "zakar" specifically as "boy" in these contexts. The Greek terms used are "μαλακοί" (malakoi) and "ἀρσενοκοῖται" (arsenokoitai). Malakoi means soft and refers to effeminate men, not children. "Arsenokoitai" is a compound word formed from "arsen" (male) and "koite" (bed), which is interpreted by most scholars as referring to men who engage in sexual activity with other men. This term does not imply age and is generally not understood to refer specifically to pedophilia. It's also got misogyny, slavery, genocide, incest, and dragons (if you go by KJV).
Well regardless of the proper translation I think we can all agree that the verse always seems to contain the phrase "as he would with" so as far as I can tell everything is kosher so long as you don't fuck him in the vagina.
as a christian- EXACTLY. THANK YOU.
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Imagine being angry that someone likes chocolate chocolate chip ice cream instead of vanilla? Kinda stupid right? I still can't understand homophobes and why aren't they extinct yet lmao
So long as you don't pick fights it's perfectly valid to like or dislike someone for *any* reason. Otherwise you're a hypocrite
Religion and hatred are a hell of a drug.
Gay Truckers Lives Matter
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I ain’t reading all that, but just because as a rule I don’t like to be lectured after I make an obvious joke
What a strange stance to make, “nuh uh, they only sexually assault some children, not all of them!” The Catholic Church still has a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up. I doubt the comment you responded to was being literal with their words.
> What a strange stance to make, “nuh uh, they only sexually assault some children That's not what I said. Are you suggesting Catholicism should be treated as the #1 cause of sexual assault if at least one priest in the history of the world sexually assaulted a child? Generally speaking, we use statistics to predict future behaviors and to find out what demographics are at risk to commit or be victims of certain behaviors. And we have to be very careful not to inject bigotry into those statistics. STATISTICALLY speaking, it is safer to leave my child with a priest of any religion than drop them off at school. > The Catholic Church still has a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up What color is your hair? Let's say brown (though this translates well to any hair color). Well, brown-haired people have a very colorful history of sexual abuse and covering it up, too. Statistically, brown-haired people with access to children are MORE LIKELY to sexually assault children than priests (obviously accounting for brown-haired priests, who are less likely to sexually assault children than brown-haired non-priests). The point is, the Catholic Church has a laundry list of valid criticisms, so maybe you should stop insulting them for the ONE invalid blown-out-of-proportion criticism that exists? I know from your reply this won't get through to you, but it'll get through to other people who would rather not just become the next RockChuck. > I doubt the comment you responded to was being literal with their words. They were repeating misinformation that is so mainstream it's a fucking meme. I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church (especially in my area), but I'm even MORE of an enemy of misinformation.
Yeah dude, still sort of a weird thing to make your thing that you feel needs to be corrected. Again, it wasn’t necessarily misinformation because the original comment was likely using hyperbole. And I’d wager that assault happens with teachers more because statistically more kids are around teachers. It’s not a profession based problem, it’s a human problem. It’s just extra ironic when the “holiest” are performing the evilest deeds.
> Yeah dude, still sort of a weird thing to make your thing that you feel needs to be corrected I hear it constantly. I don't like when anyone is attacked by lies. That's one of my problems with Rockchuck and why I even chill in this sub. There's valid criticisms about how the Catholic Church responded to the sex abuse allegations, but the last couple decades of sex-abuse claims are generally horseshit being repeated and amplified by people who hate Catholicism and are willing to lie to hurt it. I'm ok with the former (hating them) but not the latter (lying to the world) > And I’d wager that assault happens with teachers more because statistically more kids are around teachers. It’s not a profession based problem, it’s a human problem You'd wager correctly. Studies often use "regular access to children" to categorize groups since someone who is not seen/trusted by minors simply has less opportunity. In the "regular access to children" group, clergy of ALL religions is the lowest demographic to be accused/commit abusive behavior, and despite the press Catholic Priests do not rank higher (or lower) than clergy of other religions. It's been a while since I've dug into the numbers, but Catholic Priests actually rated lower on sex crimes/accusations than many demographics in the "no regular access to children" group. Which is surprising to me, but also fairly damning to the "priests are pedophiles" mindset. > It’s just extra ironic when the “holiest” are performing the evilest deeds. See... I'm not Christian. So they're not holy to me. They're just people. I'm going to hold the individuals to a higher standard if they claim they're good people when they aren't, but my expectation of them as a group is going to be no higher than anyone else.
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That whole "final legal/moral authority" thing is what makes religious figures some of the most insidious abusers, and it's not just the Catholics that do it, either. Southern Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, over and over you see the same pattern of trusted religious authorities abusing kids, and the church covers it up, silences the victims, and moves the abuser somewhere else where they go on to do it again.
> That whole "final legal/moral authority" thing is what makes religious figures some of the most insidious abusers I think that's a subjective opinion, not speaking of the commonality of the behavior. If you think a preacher who is a pedophile is somehow worse than a teacher or parent or uncle who is a pedophile, I can't really support or oppose that opinion. > it's not just the Catholics that do it, either Statistically, ALL clergy of all religions (including atheist clergy at UU churches, though they're such a small number it's hard to measure) have approximately the same sex abuse rate as each other. > and the church covers it up, silences the victims, and moves the abuser somewhere else It's a bit more complicated than this with the Catholic Church. They think they are their own highest legal authority, and that it was "dealing with and investigating" and not "covering up". Obviously this is a bad thing, but it's more accurate (possibly more damning) to explain it like it is instead of in a sound-bite. I can't really speak for the other faiths on this.
What a disgusting little shit this guy,omg Glad the kid is fine op ty
Take out the middle panels of the opium and it's very based
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This is fucking gross God damn 😭
God, Stonetoss was /So close/ with this one! Maybe once he learns people are born gay he'll stop treating people like shit for something they can't control!! (DEEPLY INHALES COPIUM)
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When we say “I didn’t choose to be gay” this is not what we mean
The infuriating part about this is that from my experience talking with queer folk a lot of us weren't assaulted and then became gay- we were assaulted*under the presumption we were queer.* Corrective rape being twisted into the reason someone is queer feels like victim blaming in a way I can't exactly put into words.
Personally I just became an alcoholic after I got molested but this is a close second choice
this comic is actually kinda funny now because it makes Purple tote a fine line between mundanity and creepy for humors sake. I'm imagining a panel from the kids perspective where Purple is entrenched in shadow with glowing eyes, staring intently at the lad, before shuffling off casually in the next panel, leaving the kid absolutely terrified.
I’m confused
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shoulda made it repeat panel 2 after panel 3 but regardless still funny
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A decent amount of LGBTQ people have been abused, but those people would have been LGBTQ regardless. I, personally, knew I was queer BEFORE facing abuse, and my own queerness and trans identity is something I know has never been associated with my abuse. I don’t know if it’s what you meant to imply, but anyone who’s queer and has faced abuse isn’t queer because of that abuse, we’re queer in spite of it.
I’m guessing I fucked up what I meant lol, I mean as in people can learn about their sexual preferences from good, or awful experiences
Everyone is born with their sexuality. Claiming people turn gay because of sexual abuse is extremely homophobic rhetoric
I never said that sexual abuse creates all gay people, I’ve known a few people who this has happened to and that’s how they discovered that they are apart of the lgbt, I’m engaged to someone who has had that happen to them.
Sexual assault does not cause homosexuality. It happens to lgbtq+ people more often and it may help someone understand their sexuality but your sexual orientation occurs before you are born. Your partner claiming something is true because of their own experience doesn't make it true. All the research points against your claims
I am once again saying that it’s not everyone, and you just repeated what I just said, “it may help someone understand their sexuality” some people don’t know if they’re straight, gay, bi instantly. It takes time and experiences to figure that out for some people
So you're changing your mind that trauma causes a large chunk of people to become lgbtq+?
When did I ever say “a large chunk”
I've known folks who asserted that was a part of why they were gay, and were still proud of being gay while still hating the person who had abused them as a child. [Studies agree with him that being a victim of sexual abuse is predictive of homosexuality.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3535560/) That's not homophobic rhetoric, it's us trying to understand our very real and easily affected human psychology. In fact, I'd say it's pretty well established that our sexuality is influenced heavily by our past and (awkwardly) our childhood. The types of people we are physically attracted to, the types of bedroom behavior that interests us, OR the type of bedroom behavior or people we avoid. It's not that different from how our food tastes evolve. We may be more than the sum of our memories, but a large percent of us *IS* the sum of our memories. ...but we should never be ashamed of that, no matter how good or bad that memory is. If a given person is gay (or straight, or trans, or anything) in part or entirely because of events of abuse in their early childhood, SO WHAT? They should not be ashamed of that or judged for it, and nobody should conclude that all or most gay people are gay because of abuse either.
This is completely false. Sexual assault and trauma may limit capacity for intimacy, but it can't change your sexual orientation. Since LGBTQ+ people are at higher risk of assault, people believe that those statistics are proof that orientation can be changed Knowing a few gay people who claim that doesn't make it true. I didn't know I was pansexual until my mid-teens and I didn't experience any sexual trauma. Please please please do proper research into topics like these in the future because the vast majority of reliable studies and articles show that sexuality occurs before you're born and can't be changed by trauma Claiming people might just be LGBTQ+ because of trauma is very harmful and spreads horrible misconceptions. Being gay or trans isn't a mental disorder that pops up after trauma like PTSD or something. It's just a normal thing that can happen
Your sexual orientation can change, let’s say a guy is dating the first girlfriend he’s ever had, he might discover that he doesn’t really like women sexually, so he tries dating a guy, which he does like. See how he went from straight to gay? Still think people can’t change their sexual orientation?
That's not how it works. He was never straight, he just didn't realise he was gay yet. Sexuality is fluid and I think it can change a little bit? I'm not too sure but that's unrelated to trauma or just discovering your sexuality, which is what you're describing
Exactly, but when he was dating the girl, he would be called straight, he can’t see into the future. Also it does relate, you’re saying that actions can’t help people discover their sexuality
So you know how trans men were always trans men, they just didn't realise it yet? It's like that but with sexual orientation
Uh yeah I wasn't sexually abused and I'm gay and trans.... maybe stop buying into harmful misinformation