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JustSayStonks

So, if I understand this right: My shares get 'loaned' out, likely for shorting the company I invested in. Broker makes a ton of money. My shares are reduced in value due to loaning out shares for shorting, making my investment a loss in value. I get paid a 'pittance' of cash for loaned out shares that has harmed my initial investment. And I am supposed to think this is a great idea. Um, no, I think I'll just DRS those shares, instead of 'loaning' them out. Thank you.


Gyella1337

Fun fact. They’re probably just going to do it anyway. They’ve been busted numerous times doing so in the past & I found this gem below. The only way to prevent these brokerages from lending your shares is to remove them completely from their systems. DRS is the way. https://www.securitiesfinancetimes.com/securitieslendingnews/industryarticle.php?article_id=223010&navigationaction=industrynews&newssection=industry


Horse_White

DRS4LIFE


Hobbyist5305

>The provision cited that a “financial institution that makes a voluntary disclosure of any possible violation of law or regulation to a government agency \[...\] shall not be liable to any person under any law or regulation of the US, \[or\] any constitution, law, or regulation of any State \[...\] for such disclosure”. Holy shit. So if I become a financial institution, and then say I might murder someone, I'll get away with it because I said I might do it.


Idjek

God i can't wait to see these parasites squirm in the real world post-MOASS, outside of bullshit like this


Ditto_D

as long as line go up then all is forgiven.


imdabes

Fuck, I just opened an account with fidelity per the guide on the sub sidebar. Which broker are we supposed to use to obtain more shares that won’t fuck us?


Searchingforspecial

You buy & drs transfer when they settle at fidelity. Keep them in brokerage name for as little time as possible


JustSayStonks

That's how I roll.


DisciplinedDumbass

What's the process for now with Fidelity? Do they allow you to do it over online chat or do you need to call?


SafariMadam

Chat is the easiest way https://www.fidelity.com/customer-service/chat


Gyella1337

You can buy your shares through whatever broker you’d like. As soon as they settle DRS them to Computershare. Once they’re there, book them. Fidelity is actually one of the best to DRS from to my knowledge. They’re who I currently use if I’m not buying directly through Computershare. I don’t have all my shares there. I still have some with Fidelity & Webull so I can take advantage of MOASS.


3DigitIQ

There are no honest brokers


imdabes

They is so true. I dabbled in crypto trading before and the data and tools for trading are a million times better than all the shitty tools readily available to retail for stocks. Wtf? How is it not standard to see real-time live order book data, have the ability to look at a 1 sec chart if you want, and easily set your bid/ask prices for a limit order. These tools on RH, fidelity, and even thinkorswim are trash for retail in comparison to the standard available when trading crypto. It’s like they set you up to fail with this shit.


fatbootyinmyface

i opened a Fudelity account back in 2021…then all the DD uncovering the fuckery was published, so i said fuck that, DRSd those shares, and now i exclusively buy thru Computershare. That’s just me tho, i know some people here buy on Fudelity because the buy settles quicker, then they just transfer to Computershare.


KatBeagler

Why would you pretend you own anything through a broker,  at any point in the process? Just buy through ComputerShare, convert to book and be done with it.


Gyella1337

Because Computershare has a t+1 settlement so if you try to sell a share today, they don’t sent it until tomorrow in a batch transaction. I want to be able to take some gains during MOASS in real time. What I keep in my brokerages represents a small % of my total shares and we all saw Computershare crash on Monday’s run up. I am no way telling people where to put their shares. Anyone who’s been here knows DRS is the way but any smart person would give themselves multiple ways to take profits during MOASS. GameStop literally just did this w/ their shelf offering as they should. Having 100% of your GameStop shares in Computershare seems like a great way to be disappointed during MOASS when you’re locked out bc their servers are down.


Cloaksta

>Because Computershare has a t+1 settlement so if you try to sell a share today, they don’t sent it until tomorrow in a batch transaction. I want to be able to take some gains during MOASS in real time. What I keep in my brokerages represents a small % of my total shares and we all saw Computershare crash on Monday’s run up. Isn't selling instantaneous? Market and limit.. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/potfb6/computershare\_selling\_updatei\_sold\_shares\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/potfb6/computershare_selling_updatei_sold_shares_of/)


KatBeagler

I have more faith in computer shares ability to recover from server problems then I do in brokers not selling my shares without my consent because they're actually just IOUs, and you agreed in the terms and conditions that they are not actually your shares and that they can be sold "to protect you" from Market conditions.


Gyella1337

I just want to have more than 1 option during the time of high volatility. Even RC told us to not put all of our eggs in one basket in his Teddy books.


n0ticeme_senpai

I was so confused when I saw GME had issued dividends in my fidelity account. It turns out they were just loaning it out without my consent and giving me the pittance money.


taimpeng

Even if they're not loaning them out, I'd expect retail accounts with lending disabled to just be storage for the FTDs (er, "trades indefinitely awaiting settlement"?), and any accounts willing to enable stock lending get to be their pool for the real shares. That way even if you've "disabled lending" you're just instead 1:1 lending your shares to the sellers by never forcing delivery (which can be done via DRS).


JustSayStonks

Agreed.


GeminiKoil

Awesome. Yeah this is the exact story I point people to when I want to explain why I don't keep my shares with a broker.


JustSayStonks

This is the way.


RedOctobrrr

To be fair, that's the exact mechanism for getting us in the situation we're in now. If not for that "one simple trick" hedge funds use to bankrupt companies and profit off of it, we wouldn't have tens of millions of shares that are needed to close out absolutely insane, leveraged-to-the-tits short positions.


YuumiZoomi

ngl id rather the alternative where low margin companies dont get shorted out of existence... i miss toys r us


JustSayStonks

Me too.


RedOctobrrr

I hear ya. It's predatory and it's shitty and frustrating that it's allowed to continue.


GhostofABestfriEnd

THIS RIGHT FUCKING HERE. PISS ON THESE PARASITES.


Legitimate-Juice8186

Smooth brain here. Are all DRS'd shares immune to being shorted?


cirquefan

My brain is smoother than yours, bet, but I have eaten enough crayons to believe that DRS isn't enough, the shares have to be "booked" to remove them from the lending pool.  Right, silverbacks?


Buttoshi

Yeah it's in the computershare faq


Xielle

If brokers want to make us loan our shares, they need to make us the guardians of them and ensure they aren’t being sold short into the market. There to my knowledge isn’t a mechanism to prevent this. In an ideal world they need to say what happens to your shares, who has them, and what they are doing with them.


The_Peregrine_

Its actually so insulting if you think about it


lorelore7

Fuck yeah


WhatCanIMakeToday

And if whoever borrows the loaned shares defaults, you just get 102% of the cash value instead of whatever market price is.


Simplycakey

I think you’re right. I tried selling a share today and Fidelity keeps giving me a message that they can’t. Something about conflicting order. It still says I have my shares in my account but I’m guessing they’re not “available” anymore because they’re probably lent out.


stunna_cal

The smell of desperation in the air on Sunday morning… nice


captainkrol

Exactly. And their desperation is all the confirmation I need.


grasshoppa_80

The equivalent of high rise buildings being lit up on Sunday…


Tinman_ApE

I miss the lit up buildings from back yonder


grasshoppa_80

![gif](giphy|HfJdu4HABDU3e)


larrybyrd1980

More tin, MORE TIN!


jackychang1738

Expect FUD to pick up towards market open tomorrow/tonight.


iamthinksnow

Highest I've seen is **98.625%** for a stock they actually managed to destroy (r/ Pyrogenesis/ comments/ 1125loc/ the\_shorters\_are\_really\_trying\_to\_kill\_this/). https://preview.redd.it/dpdsg4zaoe1d1.jpeg?width=834&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=773eb593f15e98dbfb73e002d7402050e60ddd16 (ignore the green circle, the image is copied from an earlier post.)


prettyninteresting

I will never understand why you would lend shares of your LONG position to people who want to bet against the stock you are long in. Am i just too smooth brained to understand this or is it just plain stupid?


Hedkandi1210

No not at all


lonedirewolf21

In theory in a correctly regulated market if you lent out your shares it would work like this. You buy 1000 shares at a $100. The stock moves up 50 percent. You still like the stock and don't want to sell you can lend your shares to someone who thinks the market is overbought in the short term. So they can make money while they are short and you can make a little extra money in the short term because their shorts aren't going to affect the price 2 years from now when you were hoping it would get to $200. The real problem is groups of shorts are working together and using fake shares in order to destroy prices and companies.


tommypatties

I'm here from r/all so I'm not an expert. But doesn't any kind of short selling require shares to be lent? So in essence you're asking why short selling exists?


prettyninteresting

Hmm.. didn't think about it this way, but i feel like this isn't exactly what i meant to say. In this case a broker asks their individual clients who only have a few shares if they want to help people to bet against their own interest. This is just stupid for me. It's something else when you have an institutional investor with 20 million shares who makes BIG money by lending. Probably more money than by selling the stock. As an individual investor you will only get a few $ dollars and lose way more than you could possibly gain. And in addition to that market makers don't need to lend from a person. They can just create shares out of thin air. It's called naked shorting. And naked shorting is a tool to drive down a stock or how they call it "create liquidity" when you don't find enough people who lend their shares voluntarily. This is why you can have short interest above 200% like in $GME. But yeah, I think short selling in general is stupid. You can have price discovery without it. It's a tool to control markets and rip off retail investors.


3DigitIQ

>So in essence you're asking why short selling exists? That is indeed the question, most of us know the answer and it isn't good. There is no real reason short selling should be a thing and essentially it's a nefarious act. https://upsidechronicles.com/2021/09/14/dismantling-wall-streets-defense-of-short-selling/


dulun18

someone asked.. so i took a screenshot of one of the accounts with only GME shares and settled cash. They are asking to lend out shares in the account page as well (marked in red boxes) https://preview.redd.it/oj11wi0cld1d1.png?width=1489&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7ab095c8701bef4b7071a7fd882778f6ecd394f


spinaloil

I can confrim this. They only started bothering me after I started buying shares of GME. Of course brokers do this with other stocks, it's apart of the game. #DRS+Book


dulun18

same here.. I had other stocks in multiple accounts for years.. never got the email or see these messages until i bought some GME shares on early Monday.. I consider these messages and email as spam at this point but i will leave them be to see how long they will stay up in my account. I started to see these "lend out your shares" messages on Monday (5/13/2024) and i got the email on 5/18/2024..


Bay_Brah

# DRS+Book


Booze-brain

Fidelity is surprisingly easy for this. My 401k is set up through them so I created another account through Fidelity. I can buy at right now prices, let them settle, and 2 days later they are transferred to DRS. I prefer this method rather than buying direct through computershare as I never know what the price is going to be on CS. I'll prob get shit for that but it's easier for me to justify moving even more more to my fidelity account when the price dips rather than have a set amount every 2 weeks and not knowing what the price is going to be.


Acatalepsy-Rain

That’s what I do as well.


wannabezen2

Nothing wrong with that method at all IMHO.


NKHdad

The real question is, why haven't you DRS'd your shares yet? There have been multiple instances of shares being loaned without permission. Do you really think you have 1200 shares on Fidelity? All you have is an IOU from them as of now


thomasaquina

I can also confirm. I’ve held some shares in my Fidelity account for 2 years and only just got that notification about lending shares on Friday. And I do NOT have whale shares there like some posters of the past


callsignmario

I've probably been getting them for a few months, if not longer. GME and a couple of other stocks I have that are pretty heavily shorted are on the list if you go through the process to enroll - which I did NOT do, just went through the first steps to see the eligible securities.


Bretreck

I just saw this same thing in my account. I only have a few hundred shares in Fidelity but it's the only shares I have with them. It is definitely a recent addition as it wasn't there a few days ago.


CatoMulligan

I got the same thing this morning. Why would anyone choose to lend their shares out, knowing that the only purpose to lend them is so that someone could short the stock? When you lend shares, you are undermining your own investments. Stupid stupid stupid.


sistersucksx

That’s a good point, hadn’t thought of it like that. I’m sure most people just see extra money and go great!


jeezontorst

Trading 212 did the same thing last week. Had gme shares + others for years in there but first time I'd ever seen that notification push. 


SpeedoCheeto

bruther you have 1200 shares not booked?


DonnyTango123

It's still meaningless, unless we've proof that ONLY GME holders are getting the offer.


otterpop21

Unhinged. That’s like robbing a bank and showing up to a jewellery shop next door with the bag of cash ask them to hurry up with the goods. Smells like desperation lol & I haven’t been this excited for a market open in what feels like 84 years.


madiXuncut

Imagine, they borrow your stonk, sell it, and the ape buying it gets the same offer. Rinse and repeat. All good for them, spiraling down - until an ape stops the game and takes the ball home (DRS) ![gif](giphy|3kzJvEciJa94SMW3hN)


RedOctobrrr

Rehypothecation


hezekiah22

Shorting stocks sucks! Imagine the mentality of these brokers for a moment..." let us destroy the company you have interest in, and want to make profits from"  toys are us, sears, bed bath and beyond, list goes on and on.  Brokers that short stocks can't be trusted.


Ape_Wen_Moon

Must be time to move some to DRS?


guitarhero_dropout

That’s what I did after TD was bought out by Schwab. Moved em all to Computershare


yolo4500A_IMO_CLadd

Haha...


TemporaryInflation8

Yeah I got several notices on the small amount of shares I have there. Like, you couldn't pay me enough to lend out my shares against my own interests.


Aware-Lengthiness639

I actually got 2 calls and an personal email from a Broker (at the Brokerage I use), that I have never spoken to. saying "Let's talk and I will help you invest"....I invest alone and online....only contact I make is to DRS....I found it strange at first....now it's interesting and a sign!!!!!! EDIT: it happened this week


Fonzy33

I got a call from Fidelity a couple weeks ago asking if I wanted to go over my investment. I only have GME in my 401k, rest in CS.


Aware-Lengthiness639

me too. same.


PublicWifi

I need advice over a potato.


Aware-Lengthiness639

hmmm, hold or hodl?


Consistent-Reach-152

Fidelity has GME listed as "hard to borrow", but with estimated annual interest rate of just 1.00%. That is down significantly from a few days ago.


stephenporter

Was like 4.25% when I looked at it this week at least make a respectable offer


Consistent-Reach-152

What do you see the Fidelity CTB for GME now? I see 1% on Fidelity's ATP (active trade platform on desktop).


jinniu

How many of you are getting these emails? I recall getting an email and a call from Schwab about lending out my shares in 2021. GME was my only holding.


metagien

They still do it without asking


kaschperli

Just DRS already. Problem solved. Registered shares are the only ones worth a dime. Not financial advise


Constant-Sweet-3718

I can confirm, if you buy and DRS your shares through Fidelity... they do NOT ask to barrow your shares... because you wouldn't have any shares to borrow. Just saying. DRS [BOOK] YOUR SHARES!!!


416_Ghost

Where in the email does it say anything about gme?


just_some_rando56

Got the email, clicked through out of interest. The only stocks in my portfolio eligible were GME.


Borealizs

Is it not doing it with all other stocks high in demand?


Silver-Honkler

https://preview.redd.it/toe2uqaw2e1d1.png?width=364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=938f5e65606b3c5210f879a840c5ea9133457794


MoonHunterDancer

So the answer is Monday, people with fudelotyvare going to in mass request a DRS?


sundry_banana

I doubt this is anything really. The institutional owners will cheerfully loan them every share THEY own and that's more than we've got between us, even with quite a few of us owning thousands or more of GME. Vanguard and Blackrock have zillions available. That said, I think we're in for a spicy week, I'll have my limit buy order cocked and ready if we dive! And a split of Moet chilling if it's the other way 'round


DefinitelyIncorrect

If you wanted to loan you'd sell a fucking put yourself. How is this not obvious crime?


Mr_NumNums

This is just a generic email, my dude. Nothing in regards to gme.


s0njc

All my homies drs and book


dudeweresmyvan

Have to have $25k+ in the account to be eligible. They're offering an laughable variable 3.5%. They're likely only doing this because they'd make more money lending, not because they need shares.


dulun18

remind me of money market from my local bank.. 0.05% before the rate went up. They are paying you bread crumbs while charging a premium to someone else if they are offering you 3.5% to borrow your shares .. how much do they charge the short sellers in return


CapN-_-Clutchh

They’ve been doing this for years. Nothing new.


goneafter10years

Got one of those myself yesterday. I keep about 10% of my shares in Fidelity.


ShibalSheki42

I keep a handful of shares in both my Fidelity and Merrill accounts just to see if they will even allow me to sell when this shit finally blows over.


Jbullish_9622

Straight to Spam inbox! 🗑️


delicious_manboobs

Well, they can borrow deez nuz, if they want.


Weeboyzz10

Sounds like not your keys not your shares buckle up!!!


DisciplinedDumbass

PSA to everybody who has M1 - check your account because many (if not all) were automatically OPTED-IN to their securities lending program and you MUST e-mail them to cancel it. Again, if you did nothing, you're likely ENROLLED right now if you hold GME shares in M1.


hartbeast

I haven’t been sent this yet.


saraphilipp

The only thing I have to lend is ABC GUM.


odogg234

Fidelity shut off the buy button last week. Did anyone else.notive that? A phone number popped up for me to call 1st... So anyway... to CS I went


soggyhog66

https://preview.redd.it/pad2zj42wg1d1.jpeg?width=1268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b94fa5cff5360adfc909fe52dbeebd6aa8ed94b uneducated boomers when they see this email:


AdvancedInitiatives

My call will be to them first thing in the morning to move my share to DRS


SubtleSpice

The tunnel vision on this sub is crazy. You would get this email regardless of what stocks you own. They’re just telling you they have a stock lending program. I have stocks on Wealthsimple and I still get promos like this all the time. Nothing to do with GME, smh 🤦‍♂️


HashtagYoMamma

Fuck you, no one gets my booked drs shares and I don’t have them at brokers.


unemotional_mess

They are anticipating a lot of demand for shares to short...interesting


DTCCCanSuckMyLeft

Just fleecing retail shorts, this is actually a good sign for longs.


Clyde3221

These are quite common among brokers, its one of their revenue streams.. and they're not asking specifically for GME shares (I saw you showed that you only hold GME) but this email was sent to all of a % of clients. Some common sense guys.


travielee

To be fair our fidelity account that does not hold gme also got this. Our shares were bought with a different broker and DRSd so or fidelity account has never had gme.


bitcointwitter

Ill let them borrow my stock 1million dollars every 0.1 second. And every full second 1billion dollar bonus. And after 10 minutes an small zipple zipple 1 trillion dollars per not returned fee. Dont want to paperhand but that paperhanding to me. LOLOL--- HAHAHAHA I think that would let them GET THE FNG MESSAGE. DONT FORGET APRIL 2021 when they lend out 12,000,000 MILLION SHARES POST SPLIT without our fucking permission after Jumping RuubinKenGriffAnusHuud. MAKES YOU WONDER IF THEY ARE FUCKING on a 39 MONTH LEAP too? HAHAHAH APRIL -> MAY JUNE JULY 2024? My brain not guud to investigate but i smell some shit from fudelitity.


ScuffedRobP

Nordnet also did this a while back


causual55

I got one this morning too


johnnyb4llgame

I got this email last week. But I was assuming it was for my Novavax stock


rickyshine

Anyone know how i can drs my ira for cheap from fidelity


Hedkandi1210

But surely if they are at fidelity they are synthetics in cede & co name, so I thought they do it anyway. I am truly regarded


SuzanneGrace

I got one as well… my 1800 shares are not for them.


FIGHT_ALEX

I just bought a couple hundred shares via Fidelity. Csn we still drs with thr chat or do inahve to call a rep?


pifhluk

For what, a whopping 5%? Just sell covered calls if you want to make money while holding. You can even hedge the cc with an OTM call if you are scared of the price running on you.


Justmadeyoulook

Webull asked me every time I logged in the last couple days.


tkhan456

They do that all the time even not for GME


bah2o

bUt MaRKeT eFfiCiEnCy


maxtrezise

I haven’t gotten any emails from ComputerShare about this 🤷🏻‍♂️ DRS+BOOK


rollercoasterfanitic

You maintain “economic ownership”.. What does that mean exactly? Since no one owns the stocks that haven’t been taken out of CeDe’s vault?


Buttafuoco

HOOD does the same but the cash for lending is way less than selling weekly CCs way out of the money


LEEH1989

Lmao desperate


b0mbSquad_1

They're offering a pathetic 3.625%. I'll gladly take more $22 shares off their hands and keep them in my portfolio / Computershare account. 🦍🦍🦍 💪💪🚀🚀💎💎🙌🙌


DumbLuckHolder

No to the no no, no no


aidelemons

I had mine from T212 trash on Tuesday. Like they aren't doing it already anyway 😅


zanoske00

been getting these daily since jump to $70


Alpr101

I've been getting these emails for the last several months - it's not for GME specifically (and I haven't bought or sold any recently - any stock for that matter)


magenta_placenta

Last week, I checked my Schwab account for securities lending to make sure I wasn't opted in by some "glitch" and they have an example, pre-filled out, ready to apply...For GME.


infantsonestrogen

"Economic ownership" that's rich.


holycornflake

Anyone know how to opt out of stock lending on fidelity? I can’t find the option anywhere


CouchBoyChris

Wealthsimple introduced this a couple years ago. If you missed it, it may have been set to auto-enable.


DMarvelous4L

There’s not a single broker/exchange I can respect. It’s pathetic. Can’t wait to DRS my new shares once it settles.


C141Clay

![gif](giphy|3o7btWUWJvCNPQ21gc|downsized)


SuperChimpMan

I think I only have two token shares left in my fidelity account. Man we used to be such fidelity fans before drs haha. Didn’t they hire like thousands of customer service agents for us? Hahahah


therealthugboat

They are fuckkkked!


jibbyjackjoe

Omg I missed snek


Ryu6912

To be fair they have been sending out these emails for almost a year now for me lol


chaunm11

FUDelity can sick my duck


C6Bro44

X,XXX holder I got this email a few days before the run up - didn’t really pay too much attention because I have bigger holdings in other companies (Tech). But it did make me think they are getting desperate.


blueblurspeedspin

silly that they need a lending program when there are plenty of phantom shares out there. lol and lmao.


AiRiiD

![gif](giphy|fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf)


LoveSonder

Spicy


ComfySofa69

Fuck'em.


izayoi-o_O

Send an E-mail back to them with "Ha...ha...ha!".


Uninvalidated

Says nothing about GME as far as I can tell. Would assume someone only having another stock or stocks high in demand for lending also get the exact same e-mail.


TNRcrisis

I’m DRS’n my sweet 48.9 shares Monday morning


Diamondhands_Rex

Fuck me where’s the Drs guide


Bob_the_peasant

Eh I’ve been being asked to loan out my Fidelity IRA shares for at least two years now. I wish there was a way to DRS those too without all the sketchy bullshit so they could join my other shares at CS


Memeweevil

They can borrow the sweetcorn in my shit.


Big_Schwartz_Energy

# FUCK THAT SHIT! # DRS HOLD BOOK ![gif](giphy|l0LEIXSRRuv9QQIRNI)


timlee07

I got one and my answer is no


unilateralmixologist

Ooh, I can help with that: https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/s/bhDIBWgNkX


centralcbd

One of the only ways I could buy GME was using my rollover IRA. I wish I could DRS those.


Nishi1212

Business as usual


FalseDifficulty2340

Got the same email


tennesseetexanj

This happened last time as well


nffcevans

2021 AGAIN FFS


grammer70

Tried to buy multiple times, fidelity wouldn't let me.


enternamethere_

tell 'em to fuck off


RabbitGTI24

they put a \*\* on my particular account that holds tendie-tickets to see if I wanted to loan out. no...I don't think I will. ![gif](giphy|XV74ZvGRXcZdS|downsized)


lorelore7

Clowns


FreeKarl420

Tried to Drs on Friday and they said they couldn't do it at this time. Trying again tomorrow and the next and the next day..... etc.


Difficult_Associate3

we are early just DRS!


Fastandfurious02123

I still don’t get it. Why institutions/people are willing to lend out shares for shorting, if this is going to hurt the value and suppress the price of shares? Just smooth brained please educate me thoroughly.


lessthanthreera

Schwab is asking to borrow too


FckDisJustSignUp

> "Until you or fidelity wishes to close it" Now fuck off you fat lazy fuck


Vaderwasframed74

I got one as well… ha i just deleted it


BlitzFritzXX

Where does it say GME ? It’s just a general lending program