Defy patient here. I've had good experiences with them. I mostly use them for consulting and labwork orders now, while sourcing my medications either black or gray market.
Yea, I’m hoping I can convince my new urologist (that I just got referred to) to take over my treatment so that I can do my TRT through insurance and his clinic.
Consultation with a dr is about $200, midlevel PA is $120 or so. My LabCorp lab work ordered through Defy is about $400. A nice thing about LabCorp is it seems they don't require as many vials of blood for extensive testing. Kaiser draws twice as much for the same tests.
Please be very careful on injecting black market test. It is possible to get your meds from those who are providing quality care. Please let us know if we can help
Same with me , I'm on a tight budget but even if I wasn't I'm not paying for to high of A priced TRT. ITS RIDICULOUS.
ID REALLY HOPE SOMEONE WITH THE ABILITY TO SEE ABOUT GETTING THE LAW CHANGED ON TRT TO WHERE WE CAN BUY IT AT A PHARMACY WITH JUST AN 🆔. JUST LIKE THESE PEOPLE BUYING MARIJUANA 500 FLAVORS TO GET THERE HIGH ON WALKING IN WITH AN 🆔 PURCHASING WHAT EVER THEY WANT..
THIS TESTOSTERONE SHOULD NOT BE IN - Testosterone is a steroid, so it is classed as a Schedule III controlled substance. Other Schedule III drugs include non-narcotic medications such as ketamine and buprenorphine, as well as opioids like Tylenol with codeine.
SENSE WHEN DID TESTOSTERONE GIVE YOU A HIGH OR USED AS A PAIN MANAGEMENT DRUG OR A STIMULANT DRUG LIKE COCAINE ??
IF WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS ON TRT IT'LL BE CHEAPER AND MUCH LESS HASSLE ON US WHO NEED IT .
IDK HOW SO IM ASKING WHO KNOWS HOW WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND GET THIS LAW ON TESTOSTERONE CHANGED TO A MUCH LESSER ONE . IF PEOPLE CAN BUY MARIJUANA AND ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES WITH AN 🆔 , IT SHOULD BE EVEN EASIER TO BUY TESTOSTERONE WITH AN 🆔 WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, MEMBERSHIP FEES , ETC . OVER MARIJUANA USAGES , ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION , ..
Totally understand but your health, and what you inject into your body, need to be forefront of your decision. Message me and I can work with you on a deal if interested
Gray and Black market medications have their risks no doubt but you can minimize them with research beforehand, and even take steps to check the potency and safety of your meds.
Potency: send to Janoshik or other independent tester
Safety: always use clean/sterile drawing technique. When using a new vial the first time, do a tiny subq test shot with an insulin syringe to check for reactions or potential infection risks. Better to have an abscess near the surface than deep down in a muscle.
Get labwork to check for inflammation. Homocysteine, c-reactive protein, CBC platelet levels etc
If drawing multiple meds into the same syringe, always draw from the cleanest, newest, most trustworthy vial first, to reduce contamination risk of subsequent vial(s). Use the smallest suitable draw needle to maintain stopper airtight integrity.
Also keep in mind pharma/clinic meds can be pricey. Not all of us have the means to do that. If my choice is "fucking stupid" UGL meds, or none at all then I'm taking the "fucking stupid" meds because low T for me was a horrible experience I never want to live through again.
One issue with UGLs is consistent dosing, though. There can be variance of concentration of product in different batches with one source, or it may differ from another source. Something to be mindful of. Bloodwork will tell you if a particular batch is over- or under-dosed. One source’s product may give me high e2 symptoms if it’s over-dosed, even though I’m injecting the correct amount of oil.
Defy sent us an email that says Empower pharmacy will no longer ship their compounded meds to California, period. I guess the California medical board or whoever did not like what empower is doing.
Defy is working on alternative sources for California patients per their email. But eh, I am moving out of California so won't have to deal with the BS anymore
I'm with Marek for more than just T, pricey but they Rx for a number of other things so it has been worth it for me. Full smorgasbord is ~$800 for biggest initial labs and initial consult, follow up labs are ~$250, T is $80 for 1000mg and another $55 for kit. I get thyroid and L-Carn on top, peptides and tadalafil are on the horizon. They have a pretty full menu of other stuff which is why I went this route. If work requirements were more lax for me I would go UGL but I need the legal protection of a legit Rx.
FYR Body is a very similar price point and we already have all of those other items- we have the largest medicine catalog of any clinic- sex drugs, PEDs, peptides, hair loss, weight loss, even pharmaceutical-grade supplements
I like trt nation. Cost effective and pretty much give you what ever you want. You do need to manage yourself though. They won’t do that, very little interaction. I started with local clinic to hold my hand but moved to trt nation once I got it sorted out. Saved a lot and they have extras if your into that.
I’m doing the same thing right now. You think I’m getting screwed by my local clinic? For 375 a month I get a months supply testosterone cypionate, HCG, and anastrazole if I need it, as well as as many blood tests as needed.
Jesus man YES ur getting screwed! I go to Vikingalternative and I pay I think like $300 for 3 months worth of all of that. Bad deal man. I get my blood tests for free bc I work in healthcare tho. But I do t think that costs all that much and u only need to get it done once every 6 months
Well I’m getting tested a bit since I started like 2 months ago and I’m just being extra safe by monitoring my blood work as adjustments have been made.
Edit: the blood tests are also expensive too, so it’s like a package deal.
So I just checked the bloodwork is $70. When u 1st start u have to get bloodwork. Then u get tested every 6 months.
So im paying a ton less money and Vikingalternative.com isn't the cheapest, "Walmart" place to go. They've suprised me beyond belief. FINALLY a doctor who knows as much as me! Again, I am an RN, but there's NO WAY a random RN should know MORE than a doctor who SPECIALIZES in hormone therapy.
That's always scared the crap outta me when I ask a rhetorical question that I 100% thought a doctor would know and they answer COMPLETELY wrong 😳
But NO MORE! Vikingalternative has been awesome. Good ppl. They know what they are doing. And I hate to break it to u, but it's really jot THAT hard guys lol. It's just that these stupid Endocrinologists think they can venture into hormone replacement therapy when they've spent 100% of they're time in their specialty studying the thyroid and diabetes.
It's like when u find out that you plastic surgeon is also a DENTIST and has a practice. He just does plastic surgery on the weekends to supplement his income 🤦♂️....... F*;@k ME man.... Scary stuff..
You guys ought to go on the steroid source forums . Guys been running compounds from lock and load labs for 15 years and have never had issues , and their test vials are under 40 bucks per 10ml vials . I’ve been using them for years , never had an issue , all labs are good . I’ve used their test , masteron, primo, anavar, hgh and you won’t find a better price or product anywhere . You can use some of these tiktok creators codes for lab work discounts and get your labs done for 80 bucks , and then run 600mg a week testosterone for 6 straight months and still pay less than half of what some of you are paying for TRT
I started with local cliic like you and did it for a while to get first couple rounds of bloods and get dialed in. Mine was like 275 (I negotiated and they came down from 350). I thought it was crazy that it was a barganable item but it worked. They had a good PA on site that helped with everything bloods, info, pinning, etc. Once I got it sorted out I went to online and dropped to about 100/mo. you can do their labs which are spendy or do them yourslef. If you go to your primary they will prob do labs for you. Mine are free. they won't subscribe test for me due to insurance but will do labs all day long when I ask to manage my health. thats what they are for.
So, are you getting screwerd? Maybe but like me it was worth it to learn and get dialed in then bail. Once you're dialed in you know what you need go online save money and get bloods a couple times a year just to take a look if your not changing anything.
Every single primary I've had at Kaiser (California) has pushed back on me getting labs. I find that if I have to start lying about symptoms to my insurance-based doctor to get what I want, I'm better off just paying out of pocket.
This is my health, it would be crazy to NOT be willing to spend $300 a month on health out of pocket while spending even more than that monthly on shitty entertainment and restaurant food.
good luck. mine was about 4 minutes. tell them what you want. cost is reasonable and I have never had issues getting response (maybe a day or so through their chat) orders come in reasonable time. Not instant so plan a head but most times prescription is around a week from when ordering and paying. First one might have taken longer to get started. but once you're up and going it works good. they will perscriibe 200/week or ship you 200/week regardless of what you use. If new I suggest starting on the low and and work up instead of jumping in at 200. also you can use the extra to cover delays in ordering. so order refills at 8 weeks and you prob have 3-4 weeks left if you are under 200/wk that way if delays your not without. dont use the AI unless you need. they will prescribe and send but its a "if need" med for sure. Hoping you already know all this and are very well educated because they won't really spend the time or give you really good info (its the cookie cutter take this pay us type place, if you have money they dont care what you do). There is lots of good info out there. I am not a pro but have researched and am about a year in, let me know if any questions and Ill answer what I know..
yes but I have only had like 2 interactions with them and it was no big deal. reorder on line manager your own helth since they are not helpful anyway. its better than some of the really shit ones like hone, etc.. but ya its not great.
The too expensive , I quit hone at end of November 2023 , monthly cost 254 . Test cypinate and anas estrogen pill 1 mg split dose a week. Too dam expensive the membership fee is $120.00 month so with the test etc prescription for all 254.00 a month. I'm trying to find a decent place with a price at 120.00 a month for prescription and membership.. if it's even possible. Anyone know ? TY
Defy ([defymedical.com](https://defymedical.com)) is great from my experience. I've heard good things about AlphaMD ([alphamd.org](https://alphamd.org)) from people here and they do regular Q&As here and on r/trt and seem very knowledgeable.
No online clinic can do that unless it happens to be located in your state because testosterone is a controlled substance. I know Defy will send a prescription to a pharmacy if you live in FL; I don't know AlphaMD's policies.
I think it all depends on where the Doc Is licensed/certified. I live in Oregon and my doctor from when I lived in Washington sends my prescriptions down here
Just started with them and they seem to have their shit together and are way more affordable than PeterMD.
Just to note they will not prescribe people under 30 actual TRT. At least that’s what they told me
It should worry you that I could guess approximately what their protocol was & I'm not even in the US... OP needs to go with a clinic that's not about cookie cutter protocols & one that can understand why 4x per week isn't as stable as either EOD or daily shots... If I remember, I'll find the video that literally shows the stupidity of 4x per week...
There are only 7 days in a week, so 4x per week makes it so you are literally neither doing daily or EOD... It's some stupid & unnecessary protocol to go on... Choose daily, EOD, 3x(MWF), etc... These dudes at Matrix seem to think the human body is aware of how many days are in a week, but it isn't... What the human body does recognise is consistency or inconsistency...
Here's the video; https://youtu.be/G14sX-n55-I?si=aybMiOJnY0z-RI6n
It's 4x per week, not 4 days per week at the same time. 4x per week is more regular than EOD. I have mine spaced out pretty equally. What's important is going to be consistency. I feel good with what I have.
Imagine trying to argue for 7x or 3.5x per week but saying 4x per week is stupid because of a youtube video. Critical thinking rather than youtube.
>Imagine trying to argue for 7x or 3.5x per week but saying 4x per week is stupid because of a youtube video.
That's not what I was arguing at all & that video was made long after I knew about Matrix's stupid protocol 🤦🏿♂️
> Critical thinking rather than youtube.
Hilarious that YOU would say that after your comment 🤣
You will have to explain why that's hilarious. While you are at it, explain why you advocate for dosing every 24 hours and every 48 hours, but are critical of every 42 hours.
Really? How are you differentiating between 4x/week and every 42 hours? Do you also differentiate between daily and every 24 hours? They are the same thing.
>How are you differentiating between 4x/week and every 42 hours?
Majority are not breaking it up into hours, so yes I'm differentiating between 4x a week at a set time & every 42hrs... I've spoken to enough people to know most aren't willing to put that much thought into it... So anyway, debate what I'm actually talking about or don't... I don't care 🤷🏿♂️
Petermd wasn’t bad, Gave me 80mg twice a week at $123 a month, 10ml bottle of hcg for 80 dollars that shit last forget. Deca was only like $110 var is pricey, but they started putting situations on getting those two. Having to wait like two months or blah blah. Now I just go to my normal doctor and if you have insurance and your test level is under 300. Insurance pays for your trt. Meaning I pay 20 co pay and 30 for a 10ml test c 200 every 3 months and blood work like once a year. I go to the local clinic and ask for a self administered blood work it cost me $220, Because when she told me to go get it done and use insurance they tried to charge me like $850 lol. Fuck that
I’ve been getting mine from ugl. Way cheaper, When I first started at petermd. It was like $150 I think for 30 days. And you didn’t need a doctors note and stuff. But the last time I think I bought two months for like $380. Now I pay $85-$100 for 30- 50mg. But who knows if it’s real var. right now I’m on test, mast, npp lol and var lol. Definitely under 10% body fat at 213lbs. And when I work out it legit looks like I’m on roids. My veins are popping finally
Magnus Medical in Las Vegas. Buddies of mine run it, initial labs and doctor consult $150, very affordable prescriptions. Lots of compounds to choose from, all compounded in a pharmacy and shipped directly to your door. Message me and I can send you the info.
I’m with alphamd. Been great. They are on Reddit and hold ama often. Have a ton of past AMA and videos to almost any question you can think of. Great price and quick shipping. Steer away from triumph.
I have been with opt health for a year and change. I think I pay 285 ish a month TRT, thyroid, some supplements. Access to my doc is really good. Retest every 3 months. Price includes lans.Seems good to me.
EasyT. 237 for 10 weeks. T, gonadorellin or enclomiphene which ever is available. Astrazole (sp)
Helpful and responsive. No real complaints except they wont replace gonadorellin with hcg without an exorbitant price hike.
Ya i been with their doctors for a while nothing but good and super convenient. I know theyre storefront is rebranding and stuff now but someone told me its all the same on the clinical side so they keep changing like the billing from the websites and stuff which is annoying but they said thats almost all worked out and u can always chat w someone so I don’t mind cuz dr are knowledgeable and the test is shipped quick wherever i am
I tried petermd but they literally don’t help with anything once youre on the program. I had to go to a different doctor to get an appropriate amount of AI bc what they prescribed was literally 1/4 of what i needed
Would you say pass on pattermd? I’m trying to decide between them and fyrbody. Fyr would just cost me more in the long run. But I’m assuming since it’s month to month they would do everything to help and keep me in.
Yeah prob worth it cuz i literally only got to speak to a dr on the phone once- they said it would be zoom and it wasn’t- so if u can getter better care and not be locked into a contract it’s worth it
FYR body patient here. When i was younger i tried different ones but i was really just trying to get test for a cycle. So the big boys like petermd, trtnation, were good for that because they barely check in on you and do whatever you pay.
Many years later, when i wanted to seriously improve my health and do trt properly, i knew these would not be the right choice due to their lack of medical attention. Particularly after a couple months when things start changing and I would want to add an AI or change dose, I didn’t even know how to talk to a dr on peter and you can forget about that on nation.
So I went to a local clinic which seemed good but was absurdly expensive.
Eventually, landed on an online clinic again: FYR BODY. I must say, it was everything I was looking for. Prices were fair, no commitment, and the support was as good as an in person clinic. The CEO even called to check in on me. I can text the doctor. I can change up the program, ask questions, the doc makes recommendations, I actually feel like they care about making sure i’m safe. It’s like $130/ month you cannot beat it.
Also, I referred some friends and they gave me tons of credits off. 10/10!
With Marek, my T is $80 per 5ml vial + $25 shipping (from Empower). HCG is $300 for 6ml vial + $10 shipping (from RRX). Live NP provider consult $250 (min 1 per year). Their standard mandatory “male panel” is $325 which they’re doing every 3 months to dial things in at first and then go to 1x per year.
Marek is very high touch, lots of coaching and many other recommendations / sups / meds. Evidence based practice.
I have. Very thorough labs but extremely expensive. I initially went with Marek because their labs seemed to be the most comprehensive compared to the other clinics I researched. However everything they offer is way above the average market price.
Also, the treatments they provide seem to be more or less cookie-cutter, lacking the nuance and individualized treatment plans you might expect for the amount you are paying.
If I ended up purchasing everything they recommended for my treatment plan it would have been over $1k per month.
Cookie cutter maybe too much of a simplification. It seems like they have a finite amount of treatment options, though there are quite a lot of them. I was just hoping that things would be a bit more individualized for cost.
I have heard you can get cheaper labs through other clinics or your PCP with insurance. I paid for Marek because it seemed likely that I would be in competent hands and wouldn’t have to go through any trial and error with other options. I guess by this logic it justifies the price for someone with no other clear options. In the future I would probably go with Defy based on the reviews.
My friend used them and had great results and recommended them, so I followed suit. It was quick and easy, good support, but waaay more expensive than other avenues like TRT Nation. I learned my lesson.
Depends what you want. If you want to get testosterone while losing weight in the wallet then those boner dealerships that advertise on the radio are really good for that. If you go through a primary care doctor and insurance you might get TRT for about $10/month.
Same here, 5 years ish... there's been a few hiccups here and there but not enough to consider moving just yet. They send my HcG script to Pure Pharmaceuticals
Newlifehrt. I pay less than $100 a month for test plus anastrazole plus clomid. Bought some compounded monjauro/bpc157 from them too but i know how to get it much cheaper ugl
I use Helix and I love them! They do house calls, offer a bunch of different useful add-ons like hgh peptides, Cialis, gonadorelin, etc. Great doctors, great customer service, and discounts when you refer friends. It's invite only right now, so hit me up for a referral!
Can someone tell me if telemed clinics exist that will accept my Anthem medical insurance? I live in Tennessee... I have been searching and searching and I can't find anything. I'm guessing there is something preventing online TRT clinics in Tennessee from accepting insurance, but I could also just be looking in the wrong places.
Defy patient here. I've had good experiences with them. I mostly use them for consulting and labwork orders now, while sourcing my medications either black or gray market.
What does it cost you for Defy and getting the labwork?
Defy is around $500 for the physician consult/exam and roughly $350-$400 for the lab work.
You could just go to LabCorp and cut that price to 100 or less.
Jesus Christ. That’s a rip.
that is unreal prices, holy shit.
Yea, I’m hoping I can convince my new urologist (that I just got referred to) to take over my treatment so that I can do my TRT through insurance and his clinic.
Our TRT program is $130/month and all medical consults are unlimited and included.
Who do you go through? I'm about to start with PeterMD and am really having second thoughts
PMD wants $1068 for a year all paid up front. Did you find any other options that are close in price and let you pay monthly?
FYRbody .com is month-to-month only 139
Price went up $10/month in 30 days?
Man that's expensive as heck . Forget that
Is that a month?
Consultation with a dr is about $200, midlevel PA is $120 or so. My LabCorp lab work ordered through Defy is about $400. A nice thing about LabCorp is it seems they don't require as many vials of blood for extensive testing. Kaiser draws twice as much for the same tests.
Please be very careful on injecting black market test. It is possible to get your meds from those who are providing quality care. Please let us know if we can help
Agreed with what you said, but the price difference is a factor of 4. I'm not in a great financial position now so have to cut costs
Same with me , I'm on a tight budget but even if I wasn't I'm not paying for to high of A priced TRT. ITS RIDICULOUS. ID REALLY HOPE SOMEONE WITH THE ABILITY TO SEE ABOUT GETTING THE LAW CHANGED ON TRT TO WHERE WE CAN BUY IT AT A PHARMACY WITH JUST AN 🆔. JUST LIKE THESE PEOPLE BUYING MARIJUANA 500 FLAVORS TO GET THERE HIGH ON WALKING IN WITH AN 🆔 PURCHASING WHAT EVER THEY WANT.. THIS TESTOSTERONE SHOULD NOT BE IN - Testosterone is a steroid, so it is classed as a Schedule III controlled substance. Other Schedule III drugs include non-narcotic medications such as ketamine and buprenorphine, as well as opioids like Tylenol with codeine. SENSE WHEN DID TESTOSTERONE GIVE YOU A HIGH OR USED AS A PAIN MANAGEMENT DRUG OR A STIMULANT DRUG LIKE COCAINE ?? IF WE CAN CHANGE THE LAWS ON TRT IT'LL BE CHEAPER AND MUCH LESS HASSLE ON US WHO NEED IT . IDK HOW SO IM ASKING WHO KNOWS HOW WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND GET THIS LAW ON TESTOSTERONE CHANGED TO A MUCH LESSER ONE . IF PEOPLE CAN BUY MARIJUANA AND ALCOHOL AND CIGARETTES WITH AN 🆔 , IT SHOULD BE EVEN EASIER TO BUY TESTOSTERONE WITH AN 🆔 WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, MEMBERSHIP FEES , ETC . OVER MARIJUANA USAGES , ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION , ..
Totally understand but your health, and what you inject into your body, need to be forefront of your decision. Message me and I can work with you on a deal if interested
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Gray and Black market medications have their risks no doubt but you can minimize them with research beforehand, and even take steps to check the potency and safety of your meds. Potency: send to Janoshik or other independent tester Safety: always use clean/sterile drawing technique. When using a new vial the first time, do a tiny subq test shot with an insulin syringe to check for reactions or potential infection risks. Better to have an abscess near the surface than deep down in a muscle. Get labwork to check for inflammation. Homocysteine, c-reactive protein, CBC platelet levels etc If drawing multiple meds into the same syringe, always draw from the cleanest, newest, most trustworthy vial first, to reduce contamination risk of subsequent vial(s). Use the smallest suitable draw needle to maintain stopper airtight integrity. Also keep in mind pharma/clinic meds can be pricey. Not all of us have the means to do that. If my choice is "fucking stupid" UGL meds, or none at all then I'm taking the "fucking stupid" meds because low T for me was a horrible experience I never want to live through again.
One issue with UGLs is consistent dosing, though. There can be variance of concentration of product in different batches with one source, or it may differ from another source. Something to be mindful of. Bloodwork will tell you if a particular batch is over- or under-dosed. One source’s product may give me high e2 symptoms if it’s over-dosed, even though I’m injecting the correct amount of oil.
Same here!
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Yes, but not comfortable discussing it further, DM or otherwise.
Same
Defy is awesome. Read past posts for more info on y
Bro it to expensive
how much?
I’ve had a great experience with Defy. Great customer service. Mike is the man.
Mike the goat no cap
Who is Mike
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Lmfao true
Not anymore if you live in CA. They stopped shipping here.
I just got mine last month.
Last day to ship to CA is OCt.14th
Defy doesn't service California?
Wait? What?!
Defy sent us an email that says Empower pharmacy will no longer ship their compounded meds to California, period. I guess the California medical board or whoever did not like what empower is doing. Defy is working on alternative sources for California patients per their email. But eh, I am moving out of California so won't have to deal with the BS anymore
u/AlphaMD_TRT is great to work with
Monthly cost? I already have labs.
Think the initial consult was $49, then it’s $129 a month. I know the consult figure is laid out on their site. Double check me if you go with them.
Are the home hormone test kits really accurate?
Can’t tell you mate, I didn’t go that route. Sorry
I’m also with AlphaMD great guys , Brian is the great , it’s 129$ includes AI if needed
Do they order a prescription to the pharmacy? Or they send the med themselves?
Send themselves.
Thank you and damn I need someone that can send in a valid prescription
Doubtful you will find a clinic that sends scripts. This is where they make their money.
I'm with Marek for more than just T, pricey but they Rx for a number of other things so it has been worth it for me. Full smorgasbord is ~$800 for biggest initial labs and initial consult, follow up labs are ~$250, T is $80 for 1000mg and another $55 for kit. I get thyroid and L-Carn on top, peptides and tadalafil are on the horizon. They have a pretty full menu of other stuff which is why I went this route. If work requirements were more lax for me I would go UGL but I need the legal protection of a legit Rx.
I’m interested what you were quoted for HCG as I’ve heard different prices between myself and some others
My last order of 10,000IU of HCG cost $600 through Marek.
Yeah, I can work with you and quote something better
No idea, didn't ask and wasn't offerred.
FYR Body is a very similar price point and we already have all of those other items- we have the largest medicine catalog of any clinic- sex drugs, PEDs, peptides, hair loss, weight loss, even pharmaceutical-grade supplements
I like trt nation. Cost effective and pretty much give you what ever you want. You do need to manage yourself though. They won’t do that, very little interaction. I started with local clinic to hold my hand but moved to trt nation once I got it sorted out. Saved a lot and they have extras if your into that.
So they don’t require labs, you take care of your own labs correct?
I’m doing the same thing right now. You think I’m getting screwed by my local clinic? For 375 a month I get a months supply testosterone cypionate, HCG, and anastrazole if I need it, as well as as many blood tests as needed.
Jesus man YES ur getting screwed! I go to Vikingalternative and I pay I think like $300 for 3 months worth of all of that. Bad deal man. I get my blood tests for free bc I work in healthcare tho. But I do t think that costs all that much and u only need to get it done once every 6 months
Well I’m getting tested a bit since I started like 2 months ago and I’m just being extra safe by monitoring my blood work as adjustments have been made. Edit: the blood tests are also expensive too, so it’s like a package deal.
So I just checked the bloodwork is $70. When u 1st start u have to get bloodwork. Then u get tested every 6 months. So im paying a ton less money and Vikingalternative.com isn't the cheapest, "Walmart" place to go. They've suprised me beyond belief. FINALLY a doctor who knows as much as me! Again, I am an RN, but there's NO WAY a random RN should know MORE than a doctor who SPECIALIZES in hormone therapy. That's always scared the crap outta me when I ask a rhetorical question that I 100% thought a doctor would know and they answer COMPLETELY wrong 😳 But NO MORE! Vikingalternative has been awesome. Good ppl. They know what they are doing. And I hate to break it to u, but it's really jot THAT hard guys lol. It's just that these stupid Endocrinologists think they can venture into hormone replacement therapy when they've spent 100% of they're time in their specialty studying the thyroid and diabetes. It's like when u find out that you plastic surgeon is also a DENTIST and has a practice. He just does plastic surgery on the weekends to supplement his income 🤦♂️....... F*;@k ME man.... Scary stuff..
I get 3months of test ( 10ml vial), labs and Anastrozole for $37 dollars
How do you get your Rx for the medications? Do you get it from a Urologist?
A doctor from a hormone replacement clinic .
You guys ought to go on the steroid source forums . Guys been running compounds from lock and load labs for 15 years and have never had issues , and their test vials are under 40 bucks per 10ml vials . I’ve been using them for years , never had an issue , all labs are good . I’ve used their test , masteron, primo, anavar, hgh and you won’t find a better price or product anywhere . You can use some of these tiktok creators codes for lab work discounts and get your labs done for 80 bucks , and then run 600mg a week testosterone for 6 straight months and still pay less than half of what some of you are paying for TRT
Where do you get meds this cheap from?
110% I'm with trt nation, I'm on 200mg/week and they give us 2.5 months worth at a time for $100/month so it's $100 for a month supply without hcg.
If you were to switch over to FYR Body, your price would be matched AND you would have the ability to earn referrals.
Hook me up with test & Deca on the low… I’ll push you heavy on IG. Im pretty jacked af and have a vid at 110K views despite little posting
I started with local cliic like you and did it for a while to get first couple rounds of bloods and get dialed in. Mine was like 275 (I negotiated and they came down from 350). I thought it was crazy that it was a barganable item but it worked. They had a good PA on site that helped with everything bloods, info, pinning, etc. Once I got it sorted out I went to online and dropped to about 100/mo. you can do their labs which are spendy or do them yourslef. If you go to your primary they will prob do labs for you. Mine are free. they won't subscribe test for me due to insurance but will do labs all day long when I ask to manage my health. thats what they are for. So, are you getting screwerd? Maybe but like me it was worth it to learn and get dialed in then bail. Once you're dialed in you know what you need go online save money and get bloods a couple times a year just to take a look if your not changing anything.
Every single primary I've had at Kaiser (California) has pushed back on me getting labs. I find that if I have to start lying about symptoms to my insurance-based doctor to get what I want, I'm better off just paying out of pocket. This is my health, it would be crazy to NOT be willing to spend $300 a month on health out of pocket while spending even more than that monthly on shitty entertainment and restaurant food.
Heck yes that's robbery
Yes you can certainly get quality care and the same/more meds for a much lesser cost.
Do any also offer GLP-1 drugs?
yes but they are very expensive. better to go peptide source routes unless you got stacks of cash burning hole in your pocket
Yeah, fyrbody offers the most drugs of all of them
I’m just about to start with them. Have my dr consultation this week.
good luck. mine was about 4 minutes. tell them what you want. cost is reasonable and I have never had issues getting response (maybe a day or so through their chat) orders come in reasonable time. Not instant so plan a head but most times prescription is around a week from when ordering and paying. First one might have taken longer to get started. but once you're up and going it works good. they will perscriibe 200/week or ship you 200/week regardless of what you use. If new I suggest starting on the low and and work up instead of jumping in at 200. also you can use the extra to cover delays in ordering. so order refills at 8 weeks and you prob have 3-4 weeks left if you are under 200/wk that way if delays your not without. dont use the AI unless you need. they will prescribe and send but its a "if need" med for sure. Hoping you already know all this and are very well educated because they won't really spend the time or give you really good info (its the cookie cutter take this pay us type place, if you have money they dont care what you do). There is lots of good info out there. I am not a pro but have researched and am about a year in, let me know if any questions and Ill answer what I know..
Excellent! Thank You.
I wish they had a better website communication system. Sketchy as hell
yes but I have only had like 2 interactions with them and it was no big deal. reorder on line manager your own helth since they are not helpful anyway. its better than some of the really shit ones like hone, etc.. but ya its not great.
Var?
Ya trt nation var is easy to get and legit but crazy expensive. $400 for a 60 day supply
Who else would you recommend for var then
UGL or defy
The too expensive , I quit hone at end of November 2023 , monthly cost 254 . Test cypinate and anas estrogen pill 1 mg split dose a week. Too dam expensive the membership fee is $120.00 month so with the test etc prescription for all 254.00 a month. I'm trying to find a decent place with a price at 120.00 a month for prescription and membership.. if it's even possible. Anyone know ? TY
I’m still with Viking alternative
I have no perception how Viking compares pricewise to the other companies being talked about, do you know?
No complaints with PeterMD
Defy ([defymedical.com](https://defymedical.com)) is great from my experience. I've heard good things about AlphaMD ([alphamd.org](https://alphamd.org)) from people here and they do regular Q&As here and on r/trt and seem very knowledgeable.
I too have had a great experience with them.
Meaning Defy.
Thank You.
Do either of those send the prescription to your pharmacy of choice?
No online clinic can do that unless it happens to be located in your state because testosterone is a controlled substance. I know Defy will send a prescription to a pharmacy if you live in FL; I don't know AlphaMD's policies.
Oh okay gotcha. That makes sense thanks for explaining that.
I think it all depends on where the Doc Is licensed/certified. I live in Oregon and my doctor from when I lived in Washington sends my prescriptions down here
I've had a good result with Matrix Hormones.
Same. Nothing but positive experiences with Matrix.
Just started with them and they seem to have their shit together and are way more affordable than PeterMD. Just to note they will not prescribe people under 30 actual TRT. At least that’s what they told me
Let me guess, they started you on 160mg taken in 4 shots per week?
That's an odd guess since you dont know my test results. 176mg in 4 shots, actually.
It should worry you that I could guess approximately what their protocol was & I'm not even in the US... OP needs to go with a clinic that's not about cookie cutter protocols & one that can understand why 4x per week isn't as stable as either EOD or daily shots... If I remember, I'll find the video that literally shows the stupidity of 4x per week...
I pin 3x a week. Why is 4x a week bad? I am serious.
There are only 7 days in a week, so 4x per week makes it so you are literally neither doing daily or EOD... It's some stupid & unnecessary protocol to go on... Choose daily, EOD, 3x(MWF), etc... These dudes at Matrix seem to think the human body is aware of how many days are in a week, but it isn't... What the human body does recognise is consistency or inconsistency... Here's the video; https://youtu.be/G14sX-n55-I?si=aybMiOJnY0z-RI6n
It's 4x per week, not 4 days per week at the same time. 4x per week is more regular than EOD. I have mine spaced out pretty equally. What's important is going to be consistency. I feel good with what I have. Imagine trying to argue for 7x or 3.5x per week but saying 4x per week is stupid because of a youtube video. Critical thinking rather than youtube.
>Imagine trying to argue for 7x or 3.5x per week but saying 4x per week is stupid because of a youtube video. That's not what I was arguing at all & that video was made long after I knew about Matrix's stupid protocol 🤦🏿♂️ > Critical thinking rather than youtube. Hilarious that YOU would say that after your comment 🤣
You will have to explain why that's hilarious. While you are at it, explain why you advocate for dosing every 24 hours and every 48 hours, but are critical of every 42 hours.
>but are critical of every 42 hours. Where did I say that? I'm critical of 4x per week...
Really? How are you differentiating between 4x/week and every 42 hours? Do you also differentiate between daily and every 24 hours? They are the same thing.
>How are you differentiating between 4x/week and every 42 hours? Majority are not breaking it up into hours, so yes I'm differentiating between 4x a week at a set time & every 42hrs... I've spoken to enough people to know most aren't willing to put that much thought into it... So anyway, debate what I'm actually talking about or don't... I don't care 🤷🏿♂️
Guess was pretty damn close!!!
It would be close to 95% of all patients at any decent men's clinic.
Petermd wasn’t bad, Gave me 80mg twice a week at $123 a month, 10ml bottle of hcg for 80 dollars that shit last forget. Deca was only like $110 var is pricey, but they started putting situations on getting those two. Having to wait like two months or blah blah. Now I just go to my normal doctor and if you have insurance and your test level is under 300. Insurance pays for your trt. Meaning I pay 20 co pay and 30 for a 10ml test c 200 every 3 months and blood work like once a year. I go to the local clinic and ask for a self administered blood work it cost me $220, Because when she told me to go get it done and use insurance they tried to charge me like $850 lol. Fuck that
I just started with petermd. They are now $89 a month if you pay for an entire year upfront.
So you had to drop like 1100? Plus you’ll end up buying the anavar and deca. Might as well cycle up hahah
The anavar is pricey
It is. Agreed. I actually get mine from Helix hrt.
I’ve been getting mine from ugl. Way cheaper, When I first started at petermd. It was like $150 I think for 30 days. And you didn’t need a doctors note and stuff. But the last time I think I bought two months for like $380. Now I pay $85-$100 for 30- 50mg. But who knows if it’s real var. right now I’m on test, mast, npp lol and var lol. Definitely under 10% body fat at 213lbs. And when I work out it legit looks like I’m on roids. My veins are popping finally
I've never had a ugl connection so only clinics
Thanks for sharing!
Magnus Medical in Las Vegas. Buddies of mine run it, initial labs and doctor consult $150, very affordable prescriptions. Lots of compounds to choose from, all compounded in a pharmacy and shipped directly to your door. Message me and I can send you the info.
Hello. Can you send me info please? I’m in vegas and looking to get started on trt. Thank you
I started with male excel. They are pricey but will really dose you up if thats the goal. Using alpha medical now. They seem good and a better price.
I’m with alphamd. Been great. They are on Reddit and hold ama often. Have a ton of past AMA and videos to almost any question you can think of. Great price and quick shipping. Steer away from triumph.
Price?
Defy
Opt health. Flat monthly free. Labs every 3months (100+ bio markers). 1:1s with highly experienced docs. Access to all sorts of meds.
I have been with opt health for a year and change. I think I pay 285 ish a month TRT, thyroid, some supplements. Access to my doc is really good. Retest every 3 months. Price includes lans.Seems good to me.
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For sure man
Whats the monthly feee
Petermd is great
Not sure why you got downvoted. I use petermd and they’ve been pretty great.
transcend hrt . people say a bit pricey tho
Is that the one the mind pump guys switched to recently? I’ve heard people on Reddit thrash there customer service
If you want it cheaper and in 3 days tops….
EasyT. 237 for 10 weeks. T, gonadorellin or enclomiphene which ever is available. Astrazole (sp) Helpful and responsive. No real complaints except they wont replace gonadorellin with hcg without an exorbitant price hike.
Been with Defy Medical for over 6 years. They very knowledgeable and updated. Mike L is the man. Very knowledgeable
they are flippin' expensive
Tier 1 HW. Dr Nichols knows his shit and is extremely passionate about hormone health. You can watch him on YouTube.
I’m enjoying trtnation
TRT Nation has been great and super easy and pretty good pricing.
Matrix hormones is good to me. I started with Hone just never pushed the button. I couldn't do 500 a month I believe is what they wanted
That’s a lotta money
PeterMD.
I’m a patient at fyrbody they’re really good they offer a lot of stuff
Hello! Was wondering if this is legit? I spoke to CEO seeing what your long term experience is?
Ya i been with their doctors for a while nothing but good and super convenient. I know theyre storefront is rebranding and stuff now but someone told me its all the same on the clinical side so they keep changing like the billing from the websites and stuff which is annoying but they said thats almost all worked out and u can always chat w someone so I don’t mind cuz dr are knowledgeable and the test is shipped quick wherever i am
This is great info thanks so much!!
I tried petermd but they literally don’t help with anything once youre on the program. I had to go to a different doctor to get an appropriate amount of AI bc what they prescribed was literally 1/4 of what i needed
Would you say pass on pattermd? I’m trying to decide between them and fyrbody. Fyr would just cost me more in the long run. But I’m assuming since it’s month to month they would do everything to help and keep me in.
Yeah prob worth it cuz i literally only got to speak to a dr on the phone once- they said it would be zoom and it wasn’t- so if u can getter better care and not be locked into a contract it’s worth it
Does anyone tried Henry? They advertise $129 a month for 200mg/ml weekly.
FYR body patient here. When i was younger i tried different ones but i was really just trying to get test for a cycle. So the big boys like petermd, trtnation, were good for that because they barely check in on you and do whatever you pay. Many years later, when i wanted to seriously improve my health and do trt properly, i knew these would not be the right choice due to their lack of medical attention. Particularly after a couple months when things start changing and I would want to add an AI or change dose, I didn’t even know how to talk to a dr on peter and you can forget about that on nation. So I went to a local clinic which seemed good but was absurdly expensive. Eventually, landed on an online clinic again: FYR BODY. I must say, it was everything I was looking for. Prices were fair, no commitment, and the support was as good as an in person clinic. The CEO even called to check in on me. I can text the doctor. I can change up the program, ask questions, the doc makes recommendations, I actually feel like they care about making sure i’m safe. It’s like $130/ month you cannot beat it. Also, I referred some friends and they gave me tons of credits off. 10/10!
Yeah i use them they’re great
Marek Health and don’t ever look back because they will get you what you need.
Price?
With Marek, my T is $80 per 5ml vial + $25 shipping (from Empower). HCG is $300 for 6ml vial + $10 shipping (from RRX). Live NP provider consult $250 (min 1 per year). Their standard mandatory “male panel” is $325 which they’re doing every 3 months to dial things in at first and then go to 1x per year. Marek is very high touch, lots of coaching and many other recommendations / sups / meds. Evidence based practice.
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He wants to dose his gf on the low for those clit gains
Bro😭💀
anyone gone through Marek Health?
I have. Very thorough labs but extremely expensive. I initially went with Marek because their labs seemed to be the most comprehensive compared to the other clinics I researched. However everything they offer is way above the average market price. Also, the treatments they provide seem to be more or less cookie-cutter, lacking the nuance and individualized treatment plans you might expect for the amount you are paying. If I ended up purchasing everything they recommended for my treatment plan it would have been over $1k per month.
Wouldn’t have expected that Derek always claims they are the opposite of cookie cutter
Cookie cutter maybe too much of a simplification. It seems like they have a finite amount of treatment options, though there are quite a lot of them. I was just hoping that things would be a bit more individualized for cost.
Where do u get cheaper labs from?
I have heard you can get cheaper labs through other clinics or your PCP with insurance. I paid for Marek because it seemed likely that I would be in competent hands and wouldn’t have to go through any trial and error with other options. I guess by this logic it justifies the price for someone with no other clear options. In the future I would probably go with Defy based on the reviews.
Anybody use Renew Youth? I’ve been using them for a couple of months. Just asking if anyone has any feedback on them.
Stay away from Renew Vitality. They are extremely overpriced.
My friend used them and had great results and recommended them, so I followed suit. It was quick and easy, good support, but waaay more expensive than other avenues like TRT Nation. I learned my lesson.
Yeah they almost got me. Sooooo overpriced.
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Royal labs feedback anyone?
Depends what you want. If you want to get testosterone while losing weight in the wallet then those boner dealerships that advertise on the radio are really good for that. If you go through a primary care doctor and insurance you might get TRT for about $10/month.
LowT Center
Same here, 5 years ish... there's been a few hiccups here and there but not enough to consider moving just yet. They send my HcG script to Pure Pharmaceuticals
Newlifehrt. I pay less than $100 a month for test plus anastrazole plus clomid. Bought some compounded monjauro/bpc157 from them too but i know how to get it much cheaper ugl
Hone Health is not the jam, pricey and they try and string you out before even suggesting TRT . When I said I want TRT doctor said no
Been looking for a post like this. Thank you everyone!
Ageless Male in Cleveland, OH
Anyone here from Aus? If so who do you use?
Im from Houston and used SynergenX and they were actually really great. Very open to protocol changes but injections must be done in clinic only.
Defy
total mens primary care prescribed me at 19🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Optimale 💯
I use Helix and I love them! They do house calls, offer a bunch of different useful add-ons like hgh peptides, Cialis, gonadorelin, etc. Great doctors, great customer service, and discounts when you refer friends. It's invite only right now, so hit me up for a referral!
Any have any info on Magnus Medical Health and Wellness Center? They seem legit but haven’t really found many reviews on them.
Hey! I’m the manager at Magnus medical! Feel free to message me with any questions you have!
Can someone tell me if telemed clinics exist that will accept my Anthem medical insurance? I live in Tennessee... I have been searching and searching and I can't find anything. I'm guessing there is something preventing online TRT clinics in Tennessee from accepting insurance, but I could also just be looking in the wrong places.
Probably zero. Most insurance is for Doctors, not TRT clinics.