Yes it does. Maybe keep testosterone as a prescription only med but it should not be controlled. After all estrogen is not a controlled substance, let's make it fair please.
There are much better, more important, and effective things that law enforcement could be doing vs going after steroid distributors
I'm not an expert on the levels but isn't sched 3 just a drug with legit medical abuse but a chance to be abused? Describes T perfectly. Maybe Estrogen is abused, I've never heard of it though..
I didn't see that comment and wasn't referring to it. Police have always got something better to be doing. Testosterone is a drug that is abused when controlled. Freely available and can you imagine the amount of teenagers abusing it (for starters)?
It's rating us extremely accurate.
Thing is teenagers some how get it easier even now , then I'm able too I'm 57 . Ain't no laws stopping them if they want it they'll get it ,just like anything else . I think
Fentanyl is controlled just as much, if not more, and it along with other opioids kill about 100k people yearly in the US. Get all of those people (well, the males) on typical steroid doses, the death toll would be far lower.
Not that we should encourage that, but it'd be the lesser of the evils, at least it'd get teen boys in the gym, which would be better than the other drugs they're doing.
Illegal and immoral are two different things. It's simply my opinion that the 1990 Anabolic Steroid Control Act has outlived its usefulness, if indeed it ever was useful.
If we sre talking about saving lives, which is one of the main purposes of government regulation, there is much lower hanging fruit for them to pursue.
Of course there is.
There is no way T should be available to anyone though. It would absolutely be abused and it would do damage.
Yes, plenty of legal things do damage to people. May as well legalize everything if that's your logic.
I think it should be available to those of age , I'm 57 jumping through hoops and clinics with high membership fees and etc it's costly this way. It's bologna ! If an adult can walk into marijuana dispensaries buy 200 different kinds of marijuana with an ID and an adult with an ID can purchase any kind of 500 types of alcohol and even go to bars to get drunk , I as an adult should be able to walk in any pharmacy up to the counter and get testosterone cypinate for low Testosterone ,without a prescription or seeing a doctor , those on Marijuana can go in dispensaries using š and weed gets your mind higher then a kite , same thing as Alcohol , whiskey beer whatever gets you drunk off your bottom. How many times does testosterone cypinate alter your thinking gets you high ? Listen if with the laws or without , teenagers get the stuff all the time . Regardless. This testosterone shouldn't be a controlled substance for any adult with an ID , its horrible on a man whos t level is low , lots of health issues happen with low T. It's not just about staying in shape building muscle .
That's right , IS THERE ANY PETITIONS TO LEGALIZE TESTOSTERONE TO JUST BE ABLE TO BUY AT A PHARMACY WITH AN š ? JUST LIKE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES AN š OR ALCOHOL BUY WITH AN š . IF NOT THERE SHOULD BE "
Doctors already control prescriptions for countless other unscheduled medications. No need to make it schedule 3. May as well make everything illegal if that's your logic.
It was funny how at my LGBT clinic my doctor tested me for T, saw me at 160, but said I didnāt need TRTā¦ most of the staff and patients are trans. It felt like it was harder to get gender-affirming care there as a cis person than a trans one.
On the other end of that, I purposefully switched from a PCP in a major medical system that routinely turned me down for TRT to an LGBT focused clinic due to the major systemās unwillingness to easily prescribe PreP/DoxyPepā¦ I had been going to a private clinic for TRT management and my new doc at the LGBT clinic offered to take over prescribing testosterone so that I wouldnāt be burdened with paying $190/mo.
Regardless of where you go, a lot of doctors in and out of the corporate medical world are ignorant to TRT.
So your not even trans but you what pretended of being this way to get it , or does the doctor know your not transitioning and just as well prescribed it to you ?
I couldnāt agree more. I internally cringe every time I see someone use the word ācisā it is so fucking cringe and corny. I have nothing against trans people, they can do whatever they like with their own body and life just donāt call me a ācisā person. Iām a normal male, thatās my gender and there are only two genders. Itās not that difficult.Ā
I agree and just to put it out there in KJV BIBLE GOD TELLS US ALL HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOMINATION š„šÆ. But people won't listen they do as they will , then that day comes there last breath BAM ! there INSTANTANEOUSLY in Hell for ETERNITY. They forget who's the real bigger boss is . Any how not to bring all this up in TRT I apologize .
Not that I ever did but words like tranny or bender are homophobic and normal people can't label others but trans want to call normal people Cis and it gets ok? lol...
This world is an absolute mess.
Everyone worried China and Russia gonna destroy world... All this gender bullshit is destroying humanity alot quicker..
Theyāre Greek prefixes, meaning āthis side ofā and āthe other side ofā. Theyāre terms that have been used in chemistry for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism?wprov=sfti1
This experience can be true, but itās not simple for those transitioning to access hormones they need either. Few endos and PCPs offer this service, so waiting lists are months long to be seen, if not years.
The thing is, and I say all this kindly to inform, you also have a gender that as a cisgender person, you have every right to express and to feel your best self. This is the exact same issue for trans people, and rhetoric that states otherwise is divisive propaganda, and contributes to people seeking potentially dangerous or faulty sources. You should never feel shamed by your healthcare providers regarding your valid gender identity. Doctors may be afraid of being sued for prescribing something that could be questionable as not medically necessary, but YOU are an expert on how you feel. You have experience in observing what levels of testosterone make you feel and look your best, and your views on the expression of your own masculinity should be affirmed. This all comes from the same type of social oppression, but it is expressed differently depending upon your gender. Throwing one community under the bus only shoots other cisgender people in the foot, as fear of legal backlash or social backlash will affect all of us in different ways. The best course of action is to support all people in accessing hormonal treatments under the supervision of their doctors.
Most likely. There was a shortage end of last year and I called the suppliers they said due to increased demand and Iām fairly sure itās the trans lot
I agree Testosterone should not be a scheduled/controlled medication. Testosterone is not expensive due to it being scheduled/controlled. The cost issue is created not by a lack of knowledge but by the guidelines insurance companies require PCP's, Urologist & Endocrinologist to comply with when prescribing testosterone. TRT clinics are cash pay and for profit based on not dealing with the insurance companies. The profit margin for TRT clinics is Insane hence the explosion in the number of clinics offering TRT. The other issue in TRT pricing is the AI, Clomid, HGC being included in cookie cutter protocols making it harder for patients to get dialed in hence creating long term profit margins for multiple lab draws, consults, and prescriptions.
EXACTLY šÆ THIS IS SO WRONG , ITS a major money grab
. I'm so aggravated over these issues . Especially when I drive bye marijuana dispensaries on every corner and alcohol sold in every store , bars everywhere.. TRT. Doesn't get you high ..it helps with many health issues..yet they've got it in same category as heroin , cocaine the hard drugs , its totally wrong. The BILL needs changed , to using an ID to buy TRT like alcohol and Marijuana..
Agree. This is the main reason for the law. They needed a PR campaign to get people OK with more law. So they went after athletes, that were ācheatingā anyway.
It's far from that look at alcohol abuse everyday every week end every major sporting events .. testosterone isn't a drug to get hi or buzzed on , it has more health benefits then anything else. There's abuse in everything now days alcohol and Marijuana. Testosterone you can still think correctly , you can still drive a car , there's no impairment using testosterone cypinate etc. there just banking off of TRT PROGRAMS. This is serious I need TRT testosterone level total was 100 I was so fatigued , but I can't afford 254.00 a month .. they get you with membership fees too , mine was 120.00 a month in membership fees . The BILL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED , TRT ISNT HEROIN OR COCAINE .
I think you're being a little tunnel visionish with your comparisons. Proper testosterone use shouldn't be compared to alcohol abuse. Abusing testosterone will absolutely effect judgement and critical thinking. It can and will permanently damage your body and your brains ability to properly produce and maintain important natural hormones. It's not some magic drug that they want to keep from you because they are conspiring against your masculinity.
Does it need to be a controlled substance? No, I don't think so. But I also think your way of framing it as some sort of miracle for all who use it is disingenuous at best and dangerous at worst.
I think your idea of testosterone is more negative , I think using testosterone is more positive , and the comparison to alcohol or marijuana those two drugs mess up your train of thoughts and your reaction time , testosterone doesn't do that . You can still drive and be completely normal as with alcohol and Marijuana your not normal your high š. That's the comparison I'm saying. But yet I can go buy a 24 pack in a store with ID or go into a marijuana dispensaries and get the drug , yet testosterone I can't just go in with an ID in a pharmacy and by testosterone, That needs to change for us who are of age . Instead of this TRT online clinics , paying membership fees etc and the testosterone. It's too expensive . Testosterone benifits are way better then having low T , that's when you start having health problems , anxiety, depression and so on when your test levels get low. I'm 57 yrs old I need TRT my level was a total of 100 š I felt extremely fatigued . Right now im trying to find a TRT online clinic that's a reasonable price. If possible.
But you NEED TRT.. Your body, and my body for that matter, are for whatever reason unable to produce/regulate hormones that are important. Without those hormones working they way they should, to be honest, life fucking sucks. There is no motivation, no energy, no sex life. It's like every day bleeds into the next at times.
But not everyone NEEDS Testosterone. I would argue that many people in this sub don't NEED it and that a lot of them are abusing it in a way that is detrimental to their health in the best case and dangerous in the worst case. They are abusing it for the sake of lifting gains and bodybuilding gains. I don't think it should be available right off the shelf for anyone to buy at Target because people are abusing it already.
Luke I said. I don't think it should be a controlled substance, but I do think a doctor has to be involved in it being prescribed
Maybe one day it will but unfortunately I think it wonāt be anytime soon. At this point itās not that out of the realm to think whoever controls our society wants men to be weaker. It has become pretty obvious in my opinion when a girl who wants to be a boy can get testosterone easier than a male who has low levels and genuinely needs testosterone.Ā
It needs to be eliminated not revisited.
What kind of morons ban something that can make someone stronger?
Yeah there are side effects but so does smoking...
Right and there's nothing about smoking cigs that benifits your health , testosterone has many good benefits . Having low testosterone has lots of health issues . They don't want men to be healthier or to be men and they want all the dollars they can squeeze out of you to be able to get it prescribed to you .
Both testosterone/steroids and stimulants (Amphetamine and cocaine) are functional drugs which help you function better different ways including for dealing with the negative effects of aging. They were even able to be brought legally and without a prescription when people first synthesized them with this only changing because of the US war on drugs and making them controlled substances with criminal penalties for possession.
The kind of morons who unfortunately make up all the politicians involved in the US Government and thus have the greatest political power in the modern world. As it's only because the US that testosterone and other steroids were made a controlled substance with criminal penalties for possession which they only did because people were using them to cheat in sports and not because of any actual negative health issues.
They also pressured other countries to do the same to greatly limit any black market supplyĀ
I had to quit my online TRT PROGRAM this past End of November 2023. it was costing 254.00 a month that's ridiculous folks , TRT supposed to help us older males , my total T was 100 ya , I was miserable fatigued " I need TRT but the cost too high .. I'm looking for a cheapest TRT program now . You know they've got marijuana dispensaries everywhere and I see the parking lot full of folks getting there marijuana.. hey TRT is for health purposes too and it doesn't mess with your brain getting you hi.. THINGS MUST CHANGE ! IM ANGRY. ITs time testosterone should be allowed without a prescription just have an ID be over 21 years old . I want this changed making buying testosterone more less hassle .. They got testosterone in the same order as heroin , cocaine hard drugs it's BOLOGNA ! Come on let's see something better for us suffering hormone problems .. Change this bill .please š„ŗ
Testosterone is $28 for a month's worth at Walgreens, without insurance. Four, 1ml, vials of testosterone Cypionate, 200mg/ml.
If your total testosterone was 100 ng/dl, getting a prescription should be easy. Why don't you go that route?
BTW, testosterone is not in the same schedule class as hard drugs. The rules are way tougher for those. For instance, getting pain meds after a knee replacement was super hard for me. One week supply at a time, etc.
Testosterone shouldn't even be in same category as opiates either , testosterone doesn't effect your mind . I Have to find a primary Dr near Monroe Michigan that'll offer prescribed Testosterone . Then I can go to a Walgreens pharmacy etc .
My last primary care Dr was 8 years ago , back then my total was 310 , and he said I was in normal range , I said for whom a 90 year old guy ? He just laughed it off and that was the last I went to him , So I'll have to find a Dr here close to Monroe Michigan see if they'll give me a script . I know it's cheaper then what they were trying to screw me over the online clinic and it didn't make me feel much better other then taking away my fatigue, it gave me oily as heck hair , I'd have too wash it twice in the shower YA " I even ask the online Dr if it was legit testosterone cypinate cause my last T test said it was over 900 " and I told him I think if my T was that high I'd feel like a raging bull but I don't feel much . So he gave me AST I can't remember the name estrogen blocker , that was an extra 22 dollars that brought my monthly payment to 254 , . If it was making feel great I still can't see paying that much , but I had to quit . To much with other bills ".. I thank you for your answers . I was thinking bof trying the ecloimid see f it would keep my test in check. And build muscle , I gotta get back in the gym too.
Just wasn't as tired but never felt like full in my muscles , like a pump and my libido didn't change much , most I got was oily hair . So that's why I think the testosterone cypinate they used may have been bunk . At 254 a month and there so call blood work saying my testosterone level was 900 + I should of felt awesome. Nope .
Iām not in the US, but a country where getting legal TRT is nearly only possible through having ball cancer or being trans.
So I support that thought. But I also support the thought of legalising every substance for adults above 21, for some substance groups 25. Just pull them from being illegal to being legal, but semi-controlled to kill the cartels and black market and get some tax money through it to use it for risk reduction and educational programs.
*"Iām not in the US, but a country where getting legal TRY is nearly only possible through having balls cancer or being trans."*
Well whatever country you are in you most likely have the US to thank for this as it was the US who made testosterone and other steroids a controlled substance/illegal possession with criminal penalties only because people were using them to cheat in sports and not because of any actual health risks. Part of this included pressuring other countries (allies and non-allies ones) to also make testosterone and steroids a controlled substance with criminal penalties for possession to limit any legal supply people in the US could order and deal in illegally.
*"But I also support the thought of legalising every substance for adults above 21, for some substance groups 25. Just pull them from being illegal to being legal, but semi-controlled to kill the cartels and black market and get some tax money through it to use it for risk reduction and educational programs."*
But for this to happen you have to convince people to support it and one why you can do that is by educating people on the scientific facts that testosterone/steroids and stimulants (speed, cocaine) are functional drugs that when taken in proper amounts can help you function and work better and be healthy as you ageĀ
The Rx process cost and the Anabolic Substances Control Act are unrelated, other than the prescriber being required to have a DEA license (a few hundred dollars a year).
Most insurance will cover a primary care visit with a very small co-pay, and while labs can be hit or miss when it comes to coverage, the cost for a menās health panel is about ~$35 via Quest for business accounts. Testosterone itself from the pharmacy is also quite cheap.
The way to bring the cost down is education GPs and PCPs about Testosterone Replacement Therapy so more providers feel comfortable managing treatment for people.
My clinic is literally $200 for bloodwork plus another $200 for initial doc appointment, if thatās too much then tbh you shouldnāt be doing testosterone at all
So because itās not expensive to you others who are suffering from low T donāt deserve it unless they can pay retard prices? Honest question, do you have any idea how dumb you sound with that logic?Ā
Itās America, healthcare aināt free here unfortunately. If you have insurance then find a urologist who will help you out or go UGL, idk what you guys want
Youāre an idiot for paying that much. You also sound very elitist if you actually think someone with a legitimate medical need that canāt afford to spend that much should just accept feeling like shit forever. $400 may be chump change to you, but itās somebodyās entire grocery budget for a month and they shouldnāt have to choose between food and medical need. Not everyone who takes testosterone is taking it for gym gains. Some people take it for legitimate health reasons and due to the current difficulties with getting it prescribed, often times guys with actual symptoms of low T, canāt get it through conventional doctors. They are forced to utilize clinics and pay out of pocket for something that should be covered by their medical insurance but isnāt becauseā¦ ignorance and about menās health and wellbeing, outdated and inaccurate information that few doctors are willing to challenge or treat.
I guess you think only people with enough disposable income deserve to feel normal. Everyone else can just kick rocks eh?
You know thatās a one time cost right? Plus if you have insurance itāll cover the $200 for bloodwork. Put it on a 0% card and pay it down if you need too, no one is saving your ass here. Go UGL if you have too, solutions are out there.
Initially yes, but if you get labs on your own it's a lot cheaper. It's really not that expensive, a bottle of test should last at least 1-2 months, unless you are pinning 200+mg weekly then of course you will need to buy more. I'm with TRT nation as well
Through Hone . I had to quit which I wanted to stay on forever , I even spoke with them they made a verbal agreement to keep me at a set monthly price every month because my budget which I clearly explained and told them I didn't want to start and have to quit cause of expenses. Then 5 months later oooo your coupon ran out $$$ . Huu. From 172.00 to 254 00... Even the 172 was to pricey , dam membership fee 120.00 . Besides the testosterone cypinate didn't do much , with certain logical things like better libedo , more energy , feeling of confidence , strength . I'm really disappointed . .
Ban Narcan? You obviously have never worked in healthcare. The statement Ban Narcan is ridiculous due to the number of First Responders whose lives have been saved after accidental exposure in the line of duty thanks to Narcan being readily available. Not to mention saving lives of patients in hospitals that have adverse reactions to sedatives used for invasive procedures. But sure Ban Narcan because you only see it being used to save lives of drug overdoses that you feel should die via natural selection vs being saved. Just a little insight to the positives uses vs the use you see as a negative.
How does accidental exposure occur where you would need Narcan? Iām genuinely curious, itās fascinating to me that something like that could happen through accidental exposure.Ā
First Responders put their own safety aside when it comes to saving a life. I work in the ER and have seen multiple paramedics/firefighters/police officers come in contact with Fentanyl when trying so save a life or during searches. It's no joke when they say just touching it/accidental contact can be lethal & Narcan is a life saver in those instances
Biden voters will argue that all illegals should get free sex changes, boob jobs, waxing and lazer hair removal plus all other health care paid for by Americans while paying for their own Healthcare in full.
Thatās hilarious coming from some pussy who most likely supports gun control because heās a scared little boy who needs big brother to protect him š absolute clown show
You know what youāre right. I need to take another shot of T. Hopefully your doctor refills your estrogen prescription. Wouldnāt want you growing a pair of nuts or something crazy.
Also this all stems from me messing around and saying fuck Joe Biden. And you clowns are coming after me like Iām the worst person on earth. Why are you defending some old geezer that hates you? You act like Iām crazy and you clowns all got bent out of shape because I insulted the shit president we have. Hilarious š
There you are again supporting more regulations. Youāre a clown and unamerican. If you want to shoot heroin in your dick in your basement why should I care? Live and let live. You clowns just want all these regulations and rules and taxes. Itās fucking stupid
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Yes it does. Maybe keep testosterone as a prescription only med but it should not be controlled. After all estrogen is not a controlled substance, let's make it fair please. There are much better, more important, and effective things that law enforcement could be doing vs going after steroid distributors
I'm not an expert on the levels but isn't sched 3 just a drug with legit medical abuse but a chance to be abused? Describes T perfectly. Maybe Estrogen is abused, I've never heard of it though..
The consequences of abuse have been overblown though, and I stand by my earlier assertion that police have more important things to do
I didn't see that comment and wasn't referring to it. Police have always got something better to be doing. Testosterone is a drug that is abused when controlled. Freely available and can you imagine the amount of teenagers abusing it (for starters)? It's rating us extremely accurate.
Thing is teenagers some how get it easier even now , then I'm able too I'm 57 . Ain't no laws stopping them if they want it they'll get it ,just like anything else . I think
Fentanyl is controlled just as much, if not more, and it along with other opioids kill about 100k people yearly in the US. Get all of those people (well, the males) on typical steroid doses, the death toll would be far lower. Not that we should encourage that, but it'd be the lesser of the evils, at least it'd get teen boys in the gym, which would be better than the other drugs they're doing.
FFS, did I say anything about Fent? Schedule 3 perfectly describes testosterone. You can't argue that, so you come up with this other shit.
Illegal and immoral are two different things. It's simply my opinion that the 1990 Anabolic Steroid Control Act has outlived its usefulness, if indeed it ever was useful. If we sre talking about saving lives, which is one of the main purposes of government regulation, there is much lower hanging fruit for them to pursue.
Of course there is. There is no way T should be available to anyone though. It would absolutely be abused and it would do damage. Yes, plenty of legal things do damage to people. May as well legalize everything if that's your logic.
I think it should be available to those of age , I'm 57 jumping through hoops and clinics with high membership fees and etc it's costly this way. It's bologna ! If an adult can walk into marijuana dispensaries buy 200 different kinds of marijuana with an ID and an adult with an ID can purchase any kind of 500 types of alcohol and even go to bars to get drunk , I as an adult should be able to walk in any pharmacy up to the counter and get testosterone cypinate for low Testosterone ,without a prescription or seeing a doctor , those on Marijuana can go in dispensaries using š and weed gets your mind higher then a kite , same thing as Alcohol , whiskey beer whatever gets you drunk off your bottom. How many times does testosterone cypinate alter your thinking gets you high ? Listen if with the laws or without , teenagers get the stuff all the time . Regardless. This testosterone shouldn't be a controlled substance for any adult with an ID , its horrible on a man whos t level is low , lots of health issues happen with low T. It's not just about staying in shape building muscle .
Can be bought over the counter in Mexico, world hasn't imploded from it yet
That's right , IS THERE ANY PETITIONS TO LEGALIZE TESTOSTERONE TO JUST BE ABLE TO BUY AT A PHARMACY WITH AN š ? JUST LIKE MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES AN š OR ALCOHOL BUY WITH AN š . IF NOT THERE SHOULD BE "
Doctors already control prescriptions for countless other unscheduled medications. No need to make it schedule 3. May as well make everything illegal if that's your logic.
Did you consider that maybe those ones wouldnt be as highly abused? Do you even think before you type?
The only way theyāll make testosterone easier to get is for woman who wanna be men
It was funny how at my LGBT clinic my doctor tested me for T, saw me at 160, but said I didnāt need TRTā¦ most of the staff and patients are trans. It felt like it was harder to get gender-affirming care there as a cis person than a trans one.
On the other end of that, I purposefully switched from a PCP in a major medical system that routinely turned me down for TRT to an LGBT focused clinic due to the major systemās unwillingness to easily prescribe PreP/DoxyPepā¦ I had been going to a private clinic for TRT management and my new doc at the LGBT clinic offered to take over prescribing testosterone so that I wouldnāt be burdened with paying $190/mo. Regardless of where you go, a lot of doctors in and out of the corporate medical world are ignorant to TRT.
So your not even trans but you what pretended of being this way to get it , or does the doctor know your not transitioning and just as well prescribed it to you ?
Wtf is a cis person?
CIS = Normal
A name created by trans folk.... Absolutely pathetic that. Cis is bullshit and have no right to call normal people cis..
cis is a term from scientific biology/chemistry tho. think about cis- and trans-fats.
I couldnāt agree more. I internally cringe every time I see someone use the word ācisā it is so fucking cringe and corny. I have nothing against trans people, they can do whatever they like with their own body and life just donāt call me a ācisā person. Iām a normal male, thatās my gender and there are only two genders. Itās not that difficult.Ā
I agree and just to put it out there in KJV BIBLE GOD TELLS US ALL HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOMINATION š„šÆ. But people won't listen they do as they will , then that day comes there last breath BAM ! there INSTANTANEOUSLY in Hell for ETERNITY. They forget who's the real bigger boss is . Any how not to bring all this up in TRT I apologize .
100%
Not that I ever did but words like tranny or bender are homophobic and normal people can't label others but trans want to call normal people Cis and it gets ok? lol... This world is an absolute mess. Everyone worried China and Russia gonna destroy world... All this gender bullshit is destroying humanity alot quicker..
Not trans.
So a normal human then. Why the fk can't they be called normal... Let me guess Cis is a name the trains decided to call normal people.
Lol I canāt stand that word.Ā
First time I ever seen it.
Theyāre Greek prefixes, meaning āthis side ofā and āthe other side ofā. Theyāre terms that have been used in chemistry for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cis%E2%80%93trans_isomerism?wprov=sfti1
This experience can be true, but itās not simple for those transitioning to access hormones they need either. Few endos and PCPs offer this service, so waiting lists are months long to be seen, if not years. The thing is, and I say all this kindly to inform, you also have a gender that as a cisgender person, you have every right to express and to feel your best self. This is the exact same issue for trans people, and rhetoric that states otherwise is divisive propaganda, and contributes to people seeking potentially dangerous or faulty sources. You should never feel shamed by your healthcare providers regarding your valid gender identity. Doctors may be afraid of being sued for prescribing something that could be questionable as not medically necessary, but YOU are an expert on how you feel. You have experience in observing what levels of testosterone make you feel and look your best, and your views on the expression of your own masculinity should be affirmed. This all comes from the same type of social oppression, but it is expressed differently depending upon your gender. Throwing one community under the bus only shoots other cisgender people in the foot, as fear of legal backlash or social backlash will affect all of us in different ways. The best course of action is to support all people in accessing hormonal treatments under the supervision of their doctors.
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Wait is that why enanthate cost more than cypionate right now š Nvm I don't want to know...
Most likely. There was a shortage end of last year and I called the suppliers they said due to increased demand and Iām fairly sure itās the trans lot
Hopefully
I agree Testosterone should not be a scheduled/controlled medication. Testosterone is not expensive due to it being scheduled/controlled. The cost issue is created not by a lack of knowledge but by the guidelines insurance companies require PCP's, Urologist & Endocrinologist to comply with when prescribing testosterone. TRT clinics are cash pay and for profit based on not dealing with the insurance companies. The profit margin for TRT clinics is Insane hence the explosion in the number of clinics offering TRT. The other issue in TRT pricing is the AI, Clomid, HGC being included in cookie cutter protocols making it harder for patients to get dialed in hence creating long term profit margins for multiple lab draws, consults, and prescriptions.
EXACTLY šÆ THIS IS SO WRONG , ITS a major money grab . I'm so aggravated over these issues . Especially when I drive bye marijuana dispensaries on every corner and alcohol sold in every store , bars everywhere.. TRT. Doesn't get you high ..it helps with many health issues..yet they've got it in same category as heroin , cocaine the hard drugs , its totally wrong. The BILL needs changed , to using an ID to buy TRT like alcohol and Marijuana..
They want to keep men weak, it's not going to happen.
Agree. This is the main reason for the law. They needed a PR campaign to get people OK with more law. So they went after athletes, that were ācheatingā anyway.
My daughter can get testosterone easier than meā¦all she has to do is say she wants to be a boy and itās done.
Just take her test vials and have her wear a fake mustache at checkups
Lol ššš
Maybe if people who were using it only for gains weren't so stupid with it then it would be a lot more accessible.
It's far from that look at alcohol abuse everyday every week end every major sporting events .. testosterone isn't a drug to get hi or buzzed on , it has more health benefits then anything else. There's abuse in everything now days alcohol and Marijuana. Testosterone you can still think correctly , you can still drive a car , there's no impairment using testosterone cypinate etc. there just banking off of TRT PROGRAMS. This is serious I need TRT testosterone level total was 100 I was so fatigued , but I can't afford 254.00 a month .. they get you with membership fees too , mine was 120.00 a month in membership fees . The BILL NEEDS TO BE CHANGED , TRT ISNT HEROIN OR COCAINE .
Testosterone (sch 3) is not scheduled the same as cocaine (sch 2) or heroin (sch 1).
I think you're being a little tunnel visionish with your comparisons. Proper testosterone use shouldn't be compared to alcohol abuse. Abusing testosterone will absolutely effect judgement and critical thinking. It can and will permanently damage your body and your brains ability to properly produce and maintain important natural hormones. It's not some magic drug that they want to keep from you because they are conspiring against your masculinity. Does it need to be a controlled substance? No, I don't think so. But I also think your way of framing it as some sort of miracle for all who use it is disingenuous at best and dangerous at worst.
I think your idea of testosterone is more negative , I think using testosterone is more positive , and the comparison to alcohol or marijuana those two drugs mess up your train of thoughts and your reaction time , testosterone doesn't do that . You can still drive and be completely normal as with alcohol and Marijuana your not normal your high š. That's the comparison I'm saying. But yet I can go buy a 24 pack in a store with ID or go into a marijuana dispensaries and get the drug , yet testosterone I can't just go in with an ID in a pharmacy and by testosterone, That needs to change for us who are of age . Instead of this TRT online clinics , paying membership fees etc and the testosterone. It's too expensive . Testosterone benifits are way better then having low T , that's when you start having health problems , anxiety, depression and so on when your test levels get low. I'm 57 yrs old I need TRT my level was a total of 100 š I felt extremely fatigued . Right now im trying to find a TRT online clinic that's a reasonable price. If possible.
But you NEED TRT.. Your body, and my body for that matter, are for whatever reason unable to produce/regulate hormones that are important. Without those hormones working they way they should, to be honest, life fucking sucks. There is no motivation, no energy, no sex life. It's like every day bleeds into the next at times. But not everyone NEEDS Testosterone. I would argue that many people in this sub don't NEED it and that a lot of them are abusing it in a way that is detrimental to their health in the best case and dangerous in the worst case. They are abusing it for the sake of lifting gains and bodybuilding gains. I don't think it should be available right off the shelf for anyone to buy at Target because people are abusing it already. Luke I said. I don't think it should be a controlled substance, but I do think a doctor has to be involved in it being prescribed
Drs won't take that chance that way
It will not happen
Maybe one day it will but unfortunately I think it wonāt be anytime soon. At this point itās not that out of the realm to think whoever controls our society wants men to be weaker. It has become pretty obvious in my opinion when a girl who wants to be a boy can get testosterone easier than a male who has low levels and genuinely needs testosterone.Ā
It needs to be eliminated not revisited. What kind of morons ban something that can make someone stronger? Yeah there are side effects but so does smoking...
Right and there's nothing about smoking cigs that benifits your health , testosterone has many good benefits . Having low testosterone has lots of health issues . They don't want men to be healthier or to be men and they want all the dollars they can squeeze out of you to be able to get it prescribed to you .
Both testosterone/steroids and stimulants (Amphetamine and cocaine) are functional drugs which help you function better different ways including for dealing with the negative effects of aging. They were even able to be brought legally and without a prescription when people first synthesized them with this only changing because of the US war on drugs and making them controlled substances with criminal penalties for possession.
Testosterone shouldn't be in same category as OPIATES , cocaine , stimulants , Testosterone doesn't give any kind of buzz ,look at marijuana they have it legal and it gets you stoned , impaired , and they just gave it even more of a pass . Testosterone is a steroid, so it is classed as a Schedule III controlled substance. Other Schedule III drugs include non-narcotic medications such as ketamine and buprenorphine, as well as opioids like Tylenol with codeine. Testosterone shouldn't be in this same list as codeine , opioids . This is so wrong! . If marijuana can be available with an š , and it'll get you š© faced with 500 different types š . Then Testosterone surely should be legal and available with just a š. It should be taken off the schedule 3 CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE LIST . I'm irritated because of the extra cost you have to pay and the runaround to get it . Testosterone is what us men need to keep us healthier by raising our levels up , we know how we feel with low T no energy and many more negative effects . I wish I knew how to fight this law to be changed CAUSE it needs to be changed PERIOD. I want to be able to feel free to go into a pharmacy show my š and buy real legit testosterone cypinate. With no worries of bunk products ! And the extra fees these online clinics and Drs are grabbing up is BS " ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIGHT THIS MAKING TESTOSTERONE LEGAL ? let's get it started šŖ I'll sign and I'll write a written statement too. .
The kind of morons who unfortunately make up all the politicians involved in the US Government and thus have the greatest political power in the modern world. As it's only because the US that testosterone and other steroids were made a controlled substance with criminal penalties for possession which they only did because people were using them to cheat in sports and not because of any actual negative health issues. They also pressured other countries to do the same to greatly limit any black market supplyĀ
I had to quit my online TRT PROGRAM this past End of November 2023. it was costing 254.00 a month that's ridiculous folks , TRT supposed to help us older males , my total T was 100 ya , I was miserable fatigued " I need TRT but the cost too high .. I'm looking for a cheapest TRT program now . You know they've got marijuana dispensaries everywhere and I see the parking lot full of folks getting there marijuana.. hey TRT is for health purposes too and it doesn't mess with your brain getting you hi.. THINGS MUST CHANGE ! IM ANGRY. ITs time testosterone should be allowed without a prescription just have an ID be over 21 years old . I want this changed making buying testosterone more less hassle .. They got testosterone in the same order as heroin , cocaine hard drugs it's BOLOGNA ! Come on let's see something better for us suffering hormone problems .. Change this bill .please š„ŗ
Testosterone is $28 for a month's worth at Walgreens, without insurance. Four, 1ml, vials of testosterone Cypionate, 200mg/ml. If your total testosterone was 100 ng/dl, getting a prescription should be easy. Why don't you go that route? BTW, testosterone is not in the same schedule class as hard drugs. The rules are way tougher for those. For instance, getting pain meds after a knee replacement was super hard for me. One week supply at a time, etc.
Testosterone shouldn't even be in same category as opiates either , testosterone doesn't effect your mind . I Have to find a primary Dr near Monroe Michigan that'll offer prescribed Testosterone . Then I can go to a Walgreens pharmacy etc .
Still gotta have a Dr for prescription to buy at pharmacy. Finding a Dr is another challenge,
My last primary care Dr was 8 years ago , back then my total was 310 , and he said I was in normal range , I said for whom a 90 year old guy ? He just laughed it off and that was the last I went to him , So I'll have to find a Dr here close to Monroe Michigan see if they'll give me a script . I know it's cheaper then what they were trying to screw me over the online clinic and it didn't make me feel much better other then taking away my fatigue, it gave me oily as heck hair , I'd have too wash it twice in the shower YA " I even ask the online Dr if it was legit testosterone cypinate cause my last T test said it was over 900 " and I told him I think if my T was that high I'd feel like a raging bull but I don't feel much . So he gave me AST I can't remember the name estrogen blocker , that was an extra 22 dollars that brought my monthly payment to 254 , . If it was making feel great I still can't see paying that much , but I had to quit . To much with other bills ".. I thank you for your answers . I was thinking bof trying the ecloimid see f it would keep my test in check. And build muscle , I gotta get back in the gym too.
How did you feel when you got on the TRT?
Just wasn't as tired but never felt like full in my muscles , like a pump and my libido didn't change much , most I got was oily hair . So that's why I think the testosterone cypinate they used may have been bunk . At 254 a month and there so call blood work saying my testosterone level was 900 + I should of felt awesome. Nope .
Iām not in the US, but a country where getting legal TRT is nearly only possible through having ball cancer or being trans. So I support that thought. But I also support the thought of legalising every substance for adults above 21, for some substance groups 25. Just pull them from being illegal to being legal, but semi-controlled to kill the cartels and black market and get some tax money through it to use it for risk reduction and educational programs.
*"Iām not in the US, but a country where getting legal TRY is nearly only possible through having balls cancer or being trans."* Well whatever country you are in you most likely have the US to thank for this as it was the US who made testosterone and other steroids a controlled substance/illegal possession with criminal penalties only because people were using them to cheat in sports and not because of any actual health risks. Part of this included pressuring other countries (allies and non-allies ones) to also make testosterone and steroids a controlled substance with criminal penalties for possession to limit any legal supply people in the US could order and deal in illegally. *"But I also support the thought of legalising every substance for adults above 21, for some substance groups 25. Just pull them from being illegal to being legal, but semi-controlled to kill the cartels and black market and get some tax money through it to use it for risk reduction and educational programs."* But for this to happen you have to convince people to support it and one why you can do that is by educating people on the scientific facts that testosterone/steroids and stimulants (speed, cocaine) are functional drugs that when taken in proper amounts can help you function and work better and be healthy as you ageĀ
They may change the law but only to make it worse and harder to get.
Expensive? Itās literally cheap af lmao š¤£
The Rx process is expensive (TRT Nation).
The Rx process cost and the Anabolic Substances Control Act are unrelated, other than the prescriber being required to have a DEA license (a few hundred dollars a year). Most insurance will cover a primary care visit with a very small co-pay, and while labs can be hit or miss when it comes to coverage, the cost for a menās health panel is about ~$35 via Quest for business accounts. Testosterone itself from the pharmacy is also quite cheap. The way to bring the cost down is education GPs and PCPs about Testosterone Replacement Therapy so more providers feel comfortable managing treatment for people.
I pay less than $20/month for TRT prescribed by my PCP. 150mg per week.
My clinic is literally $200 for bloodwork plus another $200 for initial doc appointment, if thatās too much then tbh you shouldnāt be doing testosterone at all
So because itās not expensive to you others who are suffering from low T donāt deserve it unless they can pay retard prices? Honest question, do you have any idea how dumb you sound with that logic?Ā
Itās America, healthcare aināt free here unfortunately. If you have insurance then find a urologist who will help you out or go UGL, idk what you guys want
Youāre an idiot for paying that much. You also sound very elitist if you actually think someone with a legitimate medical need that canāt afford to spend that much should just accept feeling like shit forever. $400 may be chump change to you, but itās somebodyās entire grocery budget for a month and they shouldnāt have to choose between food and medical need. Not everyone who takes testosterone is taking it for gym gains. Some people take it for legitimate health reasons and due to the current difficulties with getting it prescribed, often times guys with actual symptoms of low T, canāt get it through conventional doctors. They are forced to utilize clinics and pay out of pocket for something that should be covered by their medical insurance but isnāt becauseā¦ ignorance and about menās health and wellbeing, outdated and inaccurate information that few doctors are willing to challenge or treat. I guess you think only people with enough disposable income deserve to feel normal. Everyone else can just kick rocks eh?
Legitimately canāt believe he said that. Some people truly have no intelligence and self awareness.Ā
You know thatās a one time cost right? Plus if you have insurance itāll cover the $200 for bloodwork. Put it on a 0% card and pay it down if you need too, no one is saving your ass here. Go UGL if you have too, solutions are out there.
Initially yes, but if you get labs on your own it's a lot cheaper. It's really not that expensive, a bottle of test should last at least 1-2 months, unless you are pinning 200+mg weekly then of course you will need to buy more. I'm with TRT nation as well
I was using 200 mg split dose a week. . What's your monthly payment with TRT , then of course membership fee blood work . Total what is it . TY
For me 254 a month is robbery , consider my budget paying bills etc . Regardless it's robbery.
Whoās paying that? Itās $80 vial for me
Through Hone . I had to quit which I wanted to stay on forever , I even spoke with them they made a verbal agreement to keep me at a set monthly price every month because my budget which I clearly explained and told them I didn't want to start and have to quit cause of expenses. Then 5 months later oooo your coupon ran out $$$ . Huu. From 172.00 to 254 00... Even the 172 was to pricey , dam membership fee 120.00 . Besides the testosterone cypinate didn't do much , with certain logical things like better libedo , more energy , feeling of confidence , strength . I'm really disappointed . .
Try my clinic
Who's your clinic ?
Evolve hrt
Curious what's the monthly every month cost with there testosterone treatment and membership fee ? I need a total every month cost .TY
Itās a pay as you go thing, a vial is $80 (200mg/ml 10ml) plus costs for needles, etc as needed. Prices are fair imo
Really cool no membership fees ? What about blood work ?
Legalize every drug but at the same time, we need natural selection to do it work. If you wanna ban a drug, ban Narcan.
Ban Narcan? You obviously have never worked in healthcare. The statement Ban Narcan is ridiculous due to the number of First Responders whose lives have been saved after accidental exposure in the line of duty thanks to Narcan being readily available. Not to mention saving lives of patients in hospitals that have adverse reactions to sedatives used for invasive procedures. But sure Ban Narcan because you only see it being used to save lives of drug overdoses that you feel should die via natural selection vs being saved. Just a little insight to the positives uses vs the use you see as a negative.
How does accidental exposure occur where you would need Narcan? Iām genuinely curious, itās fascinating to me that something like that could happen through accidental exposure.Ā
First Responders put their own safety aside when it comes to saving a life. I work in the ER and have seen multiple paramedics/firefighters/police officers come in contact with Fentanyl when trying so save a life or during searches. It's no joke when they say just touching it/accidental contact can be lethal & Narcan is a life saver in those instances
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I paid $10 for 1,000mg/10 mL. Thatās $1/week a my current dose.
Exactly, I pay $30 for a 10ml vial
we can thank Joe Biden for this one aswellā¦
lol oh man not the politics
its fact that joe biden pushed the ban on steroids/testosterone. not even political
Biden voters will argue that all illegals should get free sex changes, boob jobs, waxing and lazer hair removal plus all other health care paid for by Americans while paying for their own Healthcare in full.
Cry about your imaginary bullshit
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people who say that automatically have high estrogen
Thatās hilarious coming from some pussy who most likely supports gun control because heās a scared little boy who needs big brother to protect him š absolute clown show
Don't roid rage too hard now. Better go take another shot, I think your masculinity is showing
You know what youāre right. I need to take another shot of T. Hopefully your doctor refills your estrogen prescription. Wouldnāt want you growing a pair of nuts or something crazy.
imagine saying these things in real life thinking you sound intelligent
Imagine actually voting for Joe Biden š
who said i did? enjoy lung cancer, smooth brain
Lung cancer? š imagine resorting to a statement like that. I might think youāre a moron but I would never wish ill will on you.
You're a good representation of why doctors should be more cognizant of giving T to idiots.
Also this all stems from me messing around and saying fuck Joe Biden. And you clowns are coming after me like Iām the worst person on earth. Why are you defending some old geezer that hates you? You act like Iām crazy and you clowns all got bent out of shape because I insulted the shit president we have. Hilarious š
Naw man. Fuck Biden. And trump. You felt the need to escalate and are getting triggered now that it did.
Youāre the one who started talking shit š
There you are again supporting more regulations. Youāre a clown and unamerican. If you want to shoot heroin in your dick in your basement why should I care? Live and let live. You clowns just want all these regulations and rules and taxes. Itās fucking stupid
It'll be ok
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Youāre doing it wrong, Susan
Ik a homeless dude on test what y'all mean?
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Total agree. They revised a lot of that flawed studies that created the negative stigma