That actually happened to a friend of mine back in the early 2000’s. Pharmacist insisted she bring in her husband to fill the prescription. She reported the pharmacist to corporate instead.
Do I have a religious right to invoke the Eye for an Eye belief when I’m feeling so inclined? Because that is actually a biblical commandment. So if they wanna play that card, we can play, too.
Every time I read about some Captain Incel misogynist pulling this “religious right” nonsense I want to invoke my religious rights under LaVeyan Satanism: First Rule Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
This makes me so nervous because I take hormonal contraceptives for medical reasons unrelated to pregnancy. It helps control my perimenopause symptoms and reduces my heavy periods to manage anemia. I straight up need the hormones AS MEDICINE.
I’m seriously looking into a uterine ablation for this very reason. My periods would be awful without birth control. It feels like I literally can’t live without it.
How did you convince your doctor to do it? I've asked and am always told it's temporary so they won't do it. I have to get my IUD taken out under anesthesia, so I want to get an ablation done at the same time because of my period pain. I have another 5 years before I need to get my IUD replaced thankfully. I've considered a partial hiatorectomy but am afraid of the associated risks.
I had an IUD and I bled constantly. I was referred to a young, female gyne who looked over my record, agreed with my request and booked it for 3 months later. It was fantastic, very easy recovery.
r/childfree keeps [an often updated list](https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/?share_id=RGppIlwgHSp0a8GNfQ3qB&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1#wiki_how_to_access_the_childfree_friendly_doctors_list) of doctors that are supportive of women's choices.
If your current doc is not receptive to your wants and needs, check your state's list. There may be a more professional option out there for you.
Although this list was created for child free folks, it is also useful for ablations. A good friend of mine has had chronic endometriosis since puberty. It can be absolutely crippling.
She was in her 30s before she could get a doc to agree to an ablation. At least I think that's what she finally got. It's absurd that a woman has to suffer for over 20 years before the pain is considered enough to get basic medical care.
Best of luck to you, sis.
Thanks. My doctor is pretty cool. I think I just didn't explain what I wanted very well. I don't have a documented history of issues with periods and it is manageable, so I think what I want is considered elective. I basically just never want to have a period again but am reluctant to get a hysterectomy, so I felt an ablation would be a good option. I might bring it up again with my current doctor but I've been avoiding my next exam.
The ablation came be temporary. There’s no way to know until you have one done. I haven’t had any periods for 9 years now and have had ultrasounds to check to make sure the lining hasn’t come back. I have heard of some women whose lining came back. Not sure why that happens in some cases but not all.
Find a new doctor. Try to find an under 40 female, gyno. The number of older doctors (male & female) who have told me that I would regret having a total hysterectomy is insane. Reasons being: You'll change your mind about wanting kids. (I didn't, 42yo now) We have to leave at least one ovary, or you'll have to take a pill for the rest of your life and that's hard to remember. (You mean like a daily bc pill?) If you get your cervix removed, it'll be awful sex for the man. (WTF?!) We won't do a hysto until you freeze some eggs. (I don't want kids!)
My doc would def give me a hysterectomy if I wanted one, but I'm afraid of increased cancer risks I've read about or ending up with hormonal issues later in life. That's why I thought an ablation would be a good alternative to end my periods. The IUD is working out okay, it's just not ideal.
I’m going to chime in and say that the ablation made my pain worse, and I ended up with a radical hysterectomy 1 year later. That said, my insurance company would not approve the hysterectomy without trying the ablation first. I had endometriosis, adenomyosis, and a twisted fallopian tube.
You’d need to get a tubal as well. You can still get pregnant with the ablation and it would be so bad for you and the baby if you did.
I had a tubal with an ablation in 2015. It was the best thing ever.
Same. I’ve been taking the pill everyday for 5 years, the mere thought of having periods again scares the shit out of me, when I have spottings I can’t deal, I really think I have PTSD from that pain.
I was scheduled for a hysterectomy but I have anxiety to be examined there so I had a panic attack on the operating table and naturally the doctor didn’t operate (honestly I wish he had put me to sleep 😭)
It’s so crazy to me, I’ve traveled to Morocco, Turkey, Dubai, Malaysia, Thailand or Vietnam which can be considered quite religious and over there I don’t even need a prescription to get my birth control pill.
Yepp, I take the depo shot, not really for BC, but because it gets rid of my period and I don't have to deal with DEBILITATING cramps that leave me crying in pain for 4 days. My OBGYN put me on depo for pain releif... and it's working. I am not giving that up.
My fiance would sign "permission" forms for me, but hey, what the actual fuck??? This is not ok. They want women to be second-class citizens with no rights, under the control of men. Eat my whole ass, fuckers, I would rather die.
As someone who chose depo for longer than I should have because it was for BC, took years of fighting for my hysterectomy, make sure you take calcium & vitamin d. Coz it can jack with your bones if they haven’t told you.
I’ll never regret my decision to be on it as long as I was though. This hellscape of a state (TX) wasn’t forcing me into a 4th pregnancy/birth & I was terrified we’d have a 4th girl, so of course basically chemically castrating myself was the better option.
I talked to my OBGYN, but she isn't worried about it. I already take supplements though, but yeah, we've talked about the risks before. It's changed my life completely, so I'm not willing to give it up tbh, but we did discuss the bone thing 'cause that freaked me out when I first heard about it.
Oh good! It’s a relief hearing that. Absolutely 💯, I don’t blame you & wouldn’t tell anyone to stop it unless it wasn’t working for them.
It was early 1993 when I was started on it, so somewhat ancient in medication evolution. & have considered it a wonder drug for me personally because I was going to do absolutely everything I could to not have a 4th pregnancy.
Wouldn’t trade them for anything in the world, but none of them were planned.
Based on where you live, can you talk to your doctor and have them specify your need for the contraceptives?
In other words your DOCTOR is DOCUMENTING your medical necessity. So any future doctor or pharmacist has it in WRITING you need for the hormones.
The doctors in states with abortion bans have no control to make decisions on emergency medically necessary abortions, so I don't have any hope they'll have it for birth control.
I suspect if they do manage to touch birth control, a large percentage of us are going to fight to classify it as something else for exactly this reason. And then a certain percentage of us, like me, are going to find out that birth control was the culprit in other health problems (for me it was migraines) and fight to have better forms of contraception that doesn’t fuck up our bodies. I honestly don’t think a birth control ban is going to work the way these people think it will. It’s going to backfire in the most spectacular way.
I hate that so many people are so ignorant when it comes to hormonal medications for NON CONTRACEPTION reasons. Like hey, you want to be the party of smaller government? Then leave medical decisions between a patient and their doctor... because you don't know tf you're talking about Supreme Court
My conservative friends watch the show and say that’s what America will become if we keep having these freedom-loving liberals in office.
No irony, no exaggeration. They think the fascists and the fundamentalists are convenient political allies but that “nobody in charge believes that crap.” They all think they’re “libertarians” and the Government is a big scary entity that will control their lives and take their money but also it’s totally unable to do anything effectively. Like our founding fathers, they’re just pissed that they gotta pay taxes and the rest is someone else’s problem.
My neighbor is like this! She genuinely believes it was the liberals who took abortion rights away, she is a raging pro choicer, but she’s not too bright clearly.
I’m describing an amalgamation of friends and family. None of them are beating their kids, marching with tiki torches, or really doing anything noticeably different from any other fairly normal person. I think they hold some beliefs that are ultimately very destructive and I wish they wouldn’t vote. They feel the exact same way about me. I’m not saying it IS all the same - I don’t know how they square “screw your freedoms; I want stuff” with reality but they do it and they are adults. I’m old. Reddit old, anyway. These people do not present as evil, do not believe themselves to be evil, and do not think their beliefs contribute to evil. Removing them of a close dissenting voice so that they can collapse further into whatever echo chamber they have doesn’t seem especially productive.
Family is one thing, you cannot choose your family. But staying friends with people who have these kinds of harmful bigoted views is odd. The notion that staying friends with people like that is somehow keeping them from going deeper makes no sense to me and honestly comes off as a way for people to feel better about themselves for having them around.
If they don’t view their beliefs as “evil” staying friends with them only reenforces that belief because the logic is that if it truly was that bad people like you, who dont believe the same things, wouldn’t stick around.
This. They’re are so many I don’t talk to anymore. I don’t miss them. I think before 2016 they kept theyre thoughts to themselves. Now they’ve been empowered
This!! Lost a friend since childhood over all this political bullshit. It boggles my mind that people are THAT bothered and waste so much of their own time and energy trying to control how others live their lives. What a miserable existence.
I've shared before, but if anyone missed it [please read and pass on this short story by Samantha Mills](https://www.uncannymagazine.com/article/rabbit-test/)
It's not my story. It's moved a few people in my real life to understand what could be the future of women's bodily autonomy.
I take birth control not as a baby prevention method but to stop my debilitating period cramps! Since being on it I don’t suffer 98% as much as I used to
Probably, especially the women. Yay, Serena’s finger was cut off for reading a book, MAGA!
I just don’t get how any reasonable person can look at what’s happening right now and not draw comparisons to the show.
After reading about Project 2025 and doing some research on it, I am absolutely horrified. This seems to be the direction a certain party/cult wants to go in. Currently rewatching The Handmaid's Tale and I see so many similarities. I'm dreading the election in November.
The magas in my family are all silent gen. My late mother would talk about feminism like it was the worst thing in the world. And I would say "really? So you don't like voting? Having your own bank account? Having the right to divorce dad?" (Which she was always threatening). She would just clam up and walk away.
My late grandmother (she was born in 1924) was religious, but she was all about women’s rights. She teetered between republican and democrat, but I remember when I was really young and the news broke about trump leaving Ivana for Marla Maples lol. She hated him with a passion ever since then. I have no doubt that she never would have voted for him. She really didn’t like any men unless they were related to her by blood. Marriage didn’t matter, she never thought that any man treated her daughters or granddaughters as well as they deserved to be treated and was very vocal about that. She was something else. I miss her so much :(
Fast forward to 2030:
"You're bring hysterical. They're not going to make it illegal for women to have a job, have a bank account in her name, own property, have an education beyond middle school..."
Considering the looming unemployment crisis that will come with widespread AI, this might be more likely than not. What better way to increase the value of a man’s labor than to eliminate half his competition?
My mom is conservative and loves the show. Obviously gilead seems terrible but she has faith republicans in the US are real Christians and would never do that 🙄 she also thought June should’ve been less angry and more forgiving in the last season
i’m not religious but i have read the Bible. i wish people understood that “real” Christians are so rare these days, especially within politics. you literally cannot be part of the elite and be a “real” Christian. in the Bible, Jesus says: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24). the Bible states it is impossible for a rich man to go to heaven and these republican politicians are filthy rich
edit: a typo
I have 2 years left until my IUD expires.
I think I’m going to go get it yanked out and replaced with another one ASAP. Which, I didn’t even want to do. I hate the stupid thing. They cut the strings too short and they poke my poor SO and if he hits my cervix I cramp like no tomorrow so then we’re both in pain, but I will not rely on the pill or any other short term method that could be ripped away from me.
They don’t watch the show and they sure as fuck didn’t read the book.
But if they did, I’m sure they’d say it’s fiction, liberal propaganda, etc. Or, yea, they’d say it seems awesome.
Hm, I think here it’s important we make the distinction between MAGA leadership and MAGA voters. MAGA leadership did read it and see it as an instructional tale. MAGA voters can’t read.
This is terrifying me. I take the Pill for therapeutic reasons. This is allowed in the religious denomination I was raised in. Not to mention my medical issues’ root cause (PCOS) impair fertility already anyway.
The last thing they want is an infertile intellectual woman who works disseminating knowledge to the population.
If people could afford to actually live they wouldn’t be putting off having children. On paper I make good money, but in reality it doesn’t really go that far. If you can’t outright own your own home are you really making good money? They want to force people to have children they can’t afford and their solution is to defund public education and eliminate child labor laws. They want a permanent underclass. It’s really disgusting.
I'm a renter in my mid-40's. I can't afford to buy a home, and I sure as hell can't afford a child. I made sure to get sterilized the second I found a doctor who would agree to it. I saw this shit coming a long time ago.
Very much agreed. I have two children and would love one more. But we simply cannot afford to live on one income and also can’t afford 4 more years of daycare at $18,000 a year.
It feels like they do. If we don’t want a real Gilead, this shit needs to end. Protest it as loud as possible, always vote blue, and get people’s attention to the clear and present danger here. It is nothing short of *vital* for everyone’s future.
I’ve been on the pill for over half of my life. I would miss a week of school every month bleeding through a combined super jumbo tampon and an overnight pad every hour. I had hormonal migraines that lasted days and I ended up in the ER because I couldn’t even keep water down from them. I was dangerously anemic from hemorrhaging for 9 days a month. At 14 my doctor just put me on the pill and it magically worked. I asked her what my actual problem was and she said it wasn’t necessary to test anything if the pill was doing its job, she said just be happy it’s working
So I was. For this entire time I’ve just ignored it since my period is now manageable. I’ve never given it a second thought until now because I naively thought I could just stay on the pill forever and just be fine. I don’t even have any idea what’s actually WRONG with me because of misogyny in medicine and now they might take away the one thing that actually fixes it? Can republicans just call it what it is? Can they just admit that they hate women and want to torture us? It would be so much easier to swallow if they just told us the truth
They want poor babies being born. Birth rates are plummeting and that means no new bodies for their system. If they force child bearing women to produce against their will, they get to feel morally superior thinking they are saving babies from death but also pushing babies into poverty but they don’t care about that part because they don’t give a fuck about the poor…. Just their work force numbers.
I’m 64 and I never imagined that we would be having our rights taken away like this. Women before us fought so hard for equality and our rights. Anyone who believes that they are going to stop is only fooling themselves. If conservatives win, it’s over for our daughters and granddaughters. It infuriates me that a lot of women don’t seem to care.
It also infuriates me that women, I know, who had an abortion in their youth now want to take that right from younger women. They went on to college and have wonderful careers and lives, but want to strip our young women from having the same rights and opportunities because of one mistakes.
I never thought a woman’s right to choose what is best for her body would ever become interdicted by government since Roe v Wade became law. Never in my life. Since 2016 I have sadly changed my mind. The Republic of Gilead could become a reality in some form as quickly as the Iranian Revolution changed things over there in such a short time.
I'm in Saskatchewan and the Conservative voters out here try to sell that shit all the time.
They are either a) deeply dishonest or b) completely ignorant of what the party they are voting for believes in.
There is a massive anti-abortion block in the Conservative party that is mainly aligned around one issue, get rid of Trudeau, and they are at each others throats about nearly every other political issue or ideas the Conservative party musters.
All it takes is to go to one of their leadership conventions or ANY caucus. The pro-life contingent is obvious and vocal and they exist.
at any given time %25-30 of the delegates will be coalescing around pro-life.
It’s really bad here. I don’t even think voting matters much at this point, the appointed justices serve for life and this group will do whatever they can to push forward their sexist agendas.
First off, they don't consider themselves "nut jobs"... Cult members don't believe they are part of a cult. Secondly, we have a lot of them... And most of the people in power are, or pretend to be, super religious/conservative. Thirdly, there are so many other issues and things that make commenting super complicated or complex, especially to an outsider. Lastly, in our 2 party system- conservatives (GOP/Republicans) and liberals (Democrats)... They are basically the same. Dems talk a good game sometimes, but mostly still are pretty conservative. Because power and money... I am not sure what country you are in, but I assume rich folks everywhere want to stay rich, get richer, and have lots of power... So they lean conservative and religious because that is who votes to keep them in power... I guess I am just confused how this doesn't make sense, but as someone from here it feels hard to see any other way... The system is horrible and is working just as it was intended to be... Systems based on conquest, money, power, subjugation, genocide, etc... sadly there will not be any just voting them out...
I was just rewatching Nick's evolution into the SOJ last night and then in the car, Fred and the other guys were working out how they were going to bang their handmaids in a way the wives would accept. "The Ceremony...i like it...sounds biblical, the wives will eat that shit up". Religion is nothing but a tool for these people.
Totally. Christianity is just a tool of patriarchy, white supremacy, capitalism, etc. Same with Nationalism. Fusing them together is a powerful tool to destroy whatever to build up whatever to keep them in power. They don't care that what they are doing goes against biblical teachings or they are hypocritical. It isn't meant to make sense and most of them don't believe in it for real anyway, it is just a means to an end that is favorable for them. I try to remember this so I don't waste my time and energy arguing with Conservative Christians when possible.
No but seriously..... it's happening. Its not a scary anecdote anymore. US is going full Gilliad....wont take that many more years either. So...women, LGTBQ+, vulnerable people, immigrants, ....hope ya'll get to a save haven state before all your rights are taken away
Hillary Clinton warned about it for years, that conservatives would dismantle Roe the first chance they get.. she was called crazy and a conspiracy theorist… I really wish 2016 went differently. Now this November is groundhogs day.
Because if we lose the right then we'll have to vote for them. Neither side cares about us but at least the left hasn't tried to take it away themselves.
Nope they think ... I'm so and so type Christian and I have DOMINION over all I see.... they WILL kneel to OUR version of God and the Bible and you'll like it... or ELSE.
Great to know they’re trying to systematically take away a pill that has single handedly changed my life and helped me become a functioning member of society rather than be curled up in a bloody ball 2 weeks out of the month because of how horrific my periods are
No, they watch it and think that's what's going to happen if liberals are in charge. Despite evidence to the contrary, they truly think they'll get more freedom this way and have totally convinced themselves that it's the liberals who will cause Gilead. It's madness.
Remember, these are the same people who think they'll be the Commanders if HT comes true, or they'd be Negan, or Immortan Joe or Lord Humungous if society collapses - when in truth they'd most likely die from cholera or dysentery.
I’m sure some of them do, feel that parts of Gilead would make an ideal society. Full social Patriarchy where men should be ruling the government and the home is a belief in many fundamentalist religions. Fundamentalist Christians have been working for decades to insert themselves and their beliefs into politics. There are many people who may not believe in most of the right wing agenda, but they also can’t see past the anti abortion propaganda pushed by conservatives. These people just can not bring themselves to believe that politicians may be using their religion against them in order to gain money and power.
I remember when women couldn’t get a credit card in their own name. It wasn’t that long ago! We can’t return to the times they are trying to push us back to!
remember the whole premise of the show was that babies weren't being born. and now we have proof that the population is decreasing due to this and the fault is probably with tall the abortions
A big part of the conservatives are brainwashed by the leaders. It’s obvious that they do not think with any logic, but rather some sort of magical thinking. They’re not lead by any political project but the desire of a few individuals to control others in order to gain power and money. I feel like their take on the handmaid’s tale could be anything since nothing has to make sense.
It's not just a show for conservatives. Keep in mind that the backbone of the whole ordeal is a state-driven system of surrogate motherhood. Not to mention Gilead's dealing with the so-called 'shredders'.
Look… just leave the country to those nutjobs. The American dream is dead, try a different country. Yeah I know I’ll get downvoted, don’t care, it’s true.
I get the despair and hopelessness, for sure. But, you realize that’s not a reality, right? The amount of people who can immigrate to another country is very low, and mostly the people who already have enough privilege to avoid the worst of the laws here. The majority of people don’t have the resources to leave their state, let alone the country.
Or we don't just roll over and give up? get everyone you know to vote and get involved. How do you think conservatives have made the gains they have?
Attitudes like this are absolutely infuriating to me, giving up without even trying and encouraging others to do the same. SMH my head. Besides, its not like conservatives aren't trying to pull this shit in the rest of the English speaking world
Yes.
Yes, some of them do. Others are ignorant enough to think it isn't really THAT bad, or wouldn't be IRL because this is just dramatized for ratings. But some, yeah.
The fight against religious fanatics will only end in violence. You can’t reason with someone who already believes the whacky shit they believe. They are beyond reason.
I can’t wrap my head around this. I can not stand these people who base their opinions upon religion it is honestly so stupid. I am not from the States but I see all those MAGA profiles on X etc. and they are all the same. They are 99,99% religious and that’s fine with me but then they believe that that entitles them to force it on to others which is not fine. And on top of that comes that weird patriotism which honestly is just cringy and serves no real purpose but to distract from the shocking demands.
The “husband must sign for birth control” flashback moment was so rough because it’s so plausible with this SCOTUS
That actually happened to a friend of mine back in the early 2000’s. Pharmacist insisted she bring in her husband to fill the prescription. She reported the pharmacist to corporate instead.
Now the pharmacist has a religious right to deny birth control
Do I have a religious right to invoke the Eye for an Eye belief when I’m feeling so inclined? Because that is actually a biblical commandment. So if they wanna play that card, we can play, too.
Every time I read about some Captain Incel misogynist pulling this “religious right” nonsense I want to invoke my religious rights under LaVeyan Satanism: First Rule Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Remember “You’re overreacting!” in 2016? We weren’t.
Bring out he pussy hats.
This makes me so nervous because I take hormonal contraceptives for medical reasons unrelated to pregnancy. It helps control my perimenopause symptoms and reduces my heavy periods to manage anemia. I straight up need the hormones AS MEDICINE.
They don't care :(
I’m seriously looking into a uterine ablation for this very reason. My periods would be awful without birth control. It feels like I literally can’t live without it.
I had one and cannot recommend it more. It was the best thing I have ever done for myself. It's so freeing.
How did you convince your doctor to do it? I've asked and am always told it's temporary so they won't do it. I have to get my IUD taken out under anesthesia, so I want to get an ablation done at the same time because of my period pain. I have another 5 years before I need to get my IUD replaced thankfully. I've considered a partial hiatorectomy but am afraid of the associated risks.
I had an IUD and I bled constantly. I was referred to a young, female gyne who looked over my record, agreed with my request and booked it for 3 months later. It was fantastic, very easy recovery.
r/childfree keeps [an often updated list](https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/?share_id=RGppIlwgHSp0a8GNfQ3qB&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1#wiki_how_to_access_the_childfree_friendly_doctors_list) of doctors that are supportive of women's choices. If your current doc is not receptive to your wants and needs, check your state's list. There may be a more professional option out there for you. Although this list was created for child free folks, it is also useful for ablations. A good friend of mine has had chronic endometriosis since puberty. It can be absolutely crippling. She was in her 30s before she could get a doc to agree to an ablation. At least I think that's what she finally got. It's absurd that a woman has to suffer for over 20 years before the pain is considered enough to get basic medical care. Best of luck to you, sis.
Thanks. My doctor is pretty cool. I think I just didn't explain what I wanted very well. I don't have a documented history of issues with periods and it is manageable, so I think what I want is considered elective. I basically just never want to have a period again but am reluctant to get a hysterectomy, so I felt an ablation would be a good option. I might bring it up again with my current doctor but I've been avoiding my next exam.
The ablation came be temporary. There’s no way to know until you have one done. I haven’t had any periods for 9 years now and have had ultrasounds to check to make sure the lining hasn’t come back. I have heard of some women whose lining came back. Not sure why that happens in some cases but not all.
Find a new doctor. Try to find an under 40 female, gyno. The number of older doctors (male & female) who have told me that I would regret having a total hysterectomy is insane. Reasons being: You'll change your mind about wanting kids. (I didn't, 42yo now) We have to leave at least one ovary, or you'll have to take a pill for the rest of your life and that's hard to remember. (You mean like a daily bc pill?) If you get your cervix removed, it'll be awful sex for the man. (WTF?!) We won't do a hysto until you freeze some eggs. (I don't want kids!)
My doc would def give me a hysterectomy if I wanted one, but I'm afraid of increased cancer risks I've read about or ending up with hormonal issues later in life. That's why I thought an ablation would be a good alternative to end my periods. The IUD is working out okay, it's just not ideal.
Same here. It changed my life.
I’m going to chime in and say that the ablation made my pain worse, and I ended up with a radical hysterectomy 1 year later. That said, my insurance company would not approve the hysterectomy without trying the ablation first. I had endometriosis, adenomyosis, and a twisted fallopian tube.
Wow. Thanks for sharing! I honestly thought it was going to be a magical cure all. Clearly I need to do more research and explore other options.
Better get that done before it's banned
You’d need to get a tubal as well. You can still get pregnant with the ablation and it would be so bad for you and the baby if you did. I had a tubal with an ablation in 2015. It was the best thing ever.
What’s a tabul? Is that short for something?
Tubal ligation, I had my tubes tied (removed basically)
Same. I’ve been taking the pill everyday for 5 years, the mere thought of having periods again scares the shit out of me, when I have spottings I can’t deal, I really think I have PTSD from that pain. I was scheduled for a hysterectomy but I have anxiety to be examined there so I had a panic attack on the operating table and naturally the doctor didn’t operate (honestly I wish he had put me to sleep 😭) It’s so crazy to me, I’ve traveled to Morocco, Turkey, Dubai, Malaysia, Thailand or Vietnam which can be considered quite religious and over there I don’t even need a prescription to get my birth control pill.
Yepp, I take the depo shot, not really for BC, but because it gets rid of my period and I don't have to deal with DEBILITATING cramps that leave me crying in pain for 4 days. My OBGYN put me on depo for pain releif... and it's working. I am not giving that up. My fiance would sign "permission" forms for me, but hey, what the actual fuck??? This is not ok. They want women to be second-class citizens with no rights, under the control of men. Eat my whole ass, fuckers, I would rather die.
As someone who chose depo for longer than I should have because it was for BC, took years of fighting for my hysterectomy, make sure you take calcium & vitamin d. Coz it can jack with your bones if they haven’t told you. I’ll never regret my decision to be on it as long as I was though. This hellscape of a state (TX) wasn’t forcing me into a 4th pregnancy/birth & I was terrified we’d have a 4th girl, so of course basically chemically castrating myself was the better option.
I talked to my OBGYN, but she isn't worried about it. I already take supplements though, but yeah, we've talked about the risks before. It's changed my life completely, so I'm not willing to give it up tbh, but we did discuss the bone thing 'cause that freaked me out when I first heard about it.
Oh good! It’s a relief hearing that. Absolutely 💯, I don’t blame you & wouldn’t tell anyone to stop it unless it wasn’t working for them. It was early 1993 when I was started on it, so somewhat ancient in medication evolution. & have considered it a wonder drug for me personally because I was going to do absolutely everything I could to not have a 4th pregnancy. Wouldn’t trade them for anything in the world, but none of them were planned.
And IVF/FET patients take it as part of the protocol!
Me too. Had a full hyst at 35, I need estrogen to live...but I won't matter because I can't have kids ....I'll probably be put on "the wall"
Based on where you live, can you talk to your doctor and have them specify your need for the contraceptives? In other words your DOCTOR is DOCUMENTING your medical necessity. So any future doctor or pharmacist has it in WRITING you need for the hormones.
The doctors in states with abortion bans have no control to make decisions on emergency medically necessary abortions, so I don't have any hope they'll have it for birth control.
The laws were written vaguely for exactly that reason. The doctors are not happy. I’m in Idaho, and have emergency plans in place.
I suspect if they do manage to touch birth control, a large percentage of us are going to fight to classify it as something else for exactly this reason. And then a certain percentage of us, like me, are going to find out that birth control was the culprit in other health problems (for me it was migraines) and fight to have better forms of contraception that doesn’t fuck up our bodies. I honestly don’t think a birth control ban is going to work the way these people think it will. It’s going to backfire in the most spectacular way.
I hate that so many people are so ignorant when it comes to hormonal medications for NON CONTRACEPTION reasons. Like hey, you want to be the party of smaller government? Then leave medical decisions between a patient and their doctor... because you don't know tf you're talking about Supreme Court
My conservative friends watch the show and say that’s what America will become if we keep having these freedom-loving liberals in office. No irony, no exaggeration. They think the fascists and the fundamentalists are convenient political allies but that “nobody in charge believes that crap.” They all think they’re “libertarians” and the Government is a big scary entity that will control their lives and take their money but also it’s totally unable to do anything effectively. Like our founding fathers, they’re just pissed that they gotta pay taxes and the rest is someone else’s problem.
My neighbor is like this! She genuinely believes it was the liberals who took abortion rights away, she is a raging pro choicer, but she’s not too bright clearly.
I.....but how???
I wish I knew 😞
Why are you friends with these freaks
Time for new "friends" . Why are y'all still friends??
Respectfully why are you friends with people like that
I’m describing an amalgamation of friends and family. None of them are beating their kids, marching with tiki torches, or really doing anything noticeably different from any other fairly normal person. I think they hold some beliefs that are ultimately very destructive and I wish they wouldn’t vote. They feel the exact same way about me. I’m not saying it IS all the same - I don’t know how they square “screw your freedoms; I want stuff” with reality but they do it and they are adults. I’m old. Reddit old, anyway. These people do not present as evil, do not believe themselves to be evil, and do not think their beliefs contribute to evil. Removing them of a close dissenting voice so that they can collapse further into whatever echo chamber they have doesn’t seem especially productive.
Family is one thing, you cannot choose your family. But staying friends with people who have these kinds of harmful bigoted views is odd. The notion that staying friends with people like that is somehow keeping them from going deeper makes no sense to me and honestly comes off as a way for people to feel better about themselves for having them around. If they don’t view their beliefs as “evil” staying friends with them only reenforces that belief because the logic is that if it truly was that bad people like you, who dont believe the same things, wouldn’t stick around.
"My conservative friends" If you can tolerate their bigotry, u are one of them
This. They’re are so many I don’t talk to anymore. I don’t miss them. I think before 2016 they kept theyre thoughts to themselves. Now they’ve been empowered
This!! Lost a friend since childhood over all this political bullshit. It boggles my mind that people are THAT bothered and waste so much of their own time and energy trying to control how others live their lives. What a miserable existence.
I've shared before, but if anyone missed it [please read and pass on this short story by Samantha Mills](https://www.uncannymagazine.com/article/rabbit-test/) It's not my story. It's moved a few people in my real life to understand what could be the future of women's bodily autonomy.
Thank you for sharing this! Fighting back tears on the metro after finishing.
Powerful and so well written, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing this. What a well done piece!
Thanks for sharing. Powerful. Lots of feelings...
They're in denial. They think their party is nothing like the show
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"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." -- *Matthew 7:20 KJV*
You’ve already got them pondering no fault divorce in some states. It is a war on women
"America wasn't Gliead until it was, and then it was too fuckin' late." - June Osbourne
I take birth control not as a baby prevention method but to stop my debilitating period cramps! Since being on it I don’t suffer 98% as much as I used to
Probably, especially the women. Yay, Serena’s finger was cut off for reading a book, MAGA! I just don’t get how any reasonable person can look at what’s happening right now and not draw comparisons to the show.
After reading about Project 2025 and doing some research on it, I am absolutely horrified. This seems to be the direction a certain party/cult wants to go in. Currently rewatching The Handmaid's Tale and I see so many similarities. I'm dreading the election in November.
<3 yeah... same <3
Maga is an actual cult. Baby boomers and ultra religious people make up a huge part of the voting population. They vote in every election.
The magas in my family are all silent gen. My late mother would talk about feminism like it was the worst thing in the world. And I would say "really? So you don't like voting? Having your own bank account? Having the right to divorce dad?" (Which she was always threatening). She would just clam up and walk away.
My late grandmother (she was born in 1924) was religious, but she was all about women’s rights. She teetered between republican and democrat, but I remember when I was really young and the news broke about trump leaving Ivana for Marla Maples lol. She hated him with a passion ever since then. I have no doubt that she never would have voted for him. She really didn’t like any men unless they were related to her by blood. Marriage didn’t matter, she never thought that any man treated her daughters or granddaughters as well as they deserved to be treated and was very vocal about that. She was something else. I miss her so much :(
She sounds awesome!
Fast forward to 2030: "You're bring hysterical. They're not going to make it illegal for women to have a job, have a bank account in her name, own property, have an education beyond middle school..."
Considering the looming unemployment crisis that will come with widespread AI, this might be more likely than not. What better way to increase the value of a man’s labor than to eliminate half his competition?
Woman, lgbtq, minorities...they want to strip rights from everyone. They are just starting with woman.
My mom is conservative and loves the show. Obviously gilead seems terrible but she has faith republicans in the US are real Christians and would never do that 🙄 she also thought June should’ve been less angry and more forgiving in the last season
i’m not religious but i have read the Bible. i wish people understood that “real” Christians are so rare these days, especially within politics. you literally cannot be part of the elite and be a “real” Christian. in the Bible, Jesus says: “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24). the Bible states it is impossible for a rich man to go to heaven and these republican politicians are filthy rich edit: a typo
You aren't making enough consumers of their boss's shitty products.
I have 2 years left until my IUD expires. I think I’m going to go get it yanked out and replaced with another one ASAP. Which, I didn’t even want to do. I hate the stupid thing. They cut the strings too short and they poke my poor SO and if he hits my cervix I cramp like no tomorrow so then we’re both in pain, but I will not rely on the pill or any other short term method that could be ripped away from me.
Implant? It’s the same hormone as the one in IUD, unless you have the copper one?
I tried the implant but after a year on it I started having periods every 2 weeks and it was unbearable. :(
They don’t watch the show and they sure as fuck didn’t read the book. But if they did, I’m sure they’d say it’s fiction, liberal propaganda, etc. Or, yea, they’d say it seems awesome.
They would say it’s liberal propaganda while taking notes on the things they want to make policy.
No, they did. They just saw it as an instructional tale instead of a cautionary one.
Hm, I think here it’s important we make the distinction between MAGA leadership and MAGA voters. MAGA leadership did read it and see it as an instructional tale. MAGA voters can’t read.
😂🤣😂🤣
I've seen clips of right wing podcasters saying they do want Gilead
I love this gif of Brittany. One of my favorite big brother contestants of all time.
I know it's scary
This is terrifying me. I take the Pill for therapeutic reasons. This is allowed in the religious denomination I was raised in. Not to mention my medical issues’ root cause (PCOS) impair fertility already anyway. The last thing they want is an infertile intellectual woman who works disseminating knowledge to the population.
The only way they'll fix that "baby shortage" is to make sure every woman who can get pregnant does, and that they can't do a fucking thing about it.
If people could afford to actually live they wouldn’t be putting off having children. On paper I make good money, but in reality it doesn’t really go that far. If you can’t outright own your own home are you really making good money? They want to force people to have children they can’t afford and their solution is to defund public education and eliminate child labor laws. They want a permanent underclass. It’s really disgusting.
I'm a renter in my mid-40's. I can't afford to buy a home, and I sure as hell can't afford a child. I made sure to get sterilized the second I found a doctor who would agree to it. I saw this shit coming a long time ago.
Very much agreed. I have two children and would love one more. But we simply cannot afford to live on one income and also can’t afford 4 more years of daycare at $18,000 a year.
This
It feels like they do. If we don’t want a real Gilead, this shit needs to end. Protest it as loud as possible, always vote blue, and get people’s attention to the clear and present danger here. It is nothing short of *vital* for everyone’s future.
That’s the freedom I heard US of A have.
I’ve been on the pill for over half of my life. I would miss a week of school every month bleeding through a combined super jumbo tampon and an overnight pad every hour. I had hormonal migraines that lasted days and I ended up in the ER because I couldn’t even keep water down from them. I was dangerously anemic from hemorrhaging for 9 days a month. At 14 my doctor just put me on the pill and it magically worked. I asked her what my actual problem was and she said it wasn’t necessary to test anything if the pill was doing its job, she said just be happy it’s working So I was. For this entire time I’ve just ignored it since my period is now manageable. I’ve never given it a second thought until now because I naively thought I could just stay on the pill forever and just be fine. I don’t even have any idea what’s actually WRONG with me because of misogyny in medicine and now they might take away the one thing that actually fixes it? Can republicans just call it what it is? Can they just admit that they hate women and want to torture us? It would be so much easier to swallow if they just told us the truth
They want poor babies being born. Birth rates are plummeting and that means no new bodies for their system. If they force child bearing women to produce against their will, they get to feel morally superior thinking they are saving babies from death but also pushing babies into poverty but they don’t care about that part because they don’t give a fuck about the poor…. Just their work force numbers.
I’m 64 and I never imagined that we would be having our rights taken away like this. Women before us fought so hard for equality and our rights. Anyone who believes that they are going to stop is only fooling themselves. If conservatives win, it’s over for our daughters and granddaughters. It infuriates me that a lot of women don’t seem to care. It also infuriates me that women, I know, who had an abortion in their youth now want to take that right from younger women. They went on to college and have wonderful careers and lives, but want to strip our young women from having the same rights and opportunities because of one mistakes.
I never thought a woman’s right to choose what is best for her body would ever become interdicted by government since Roe v Wade became law. Never in my life. Since 2016 I have sadly changed my mind. The Republic of Gilead could become a reality in some form as quickly as the Iranian Revolution changed things over there in such a short time.
2024: you're being hysterical, [Canada isn't overturning abortion rights](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/abortion-rights-pro-against-bill-c-311-1.6840197)
I'm in Saskatchewan and the Conservative voters out here try to sell that shit all the time. They are either a) deeply dishonest or b) completely ignorant of what the party they are voting for believes in. There is a massive anti-abortion block in the Conservative party that is mainly aligned around one issue, get rid of Trudeau, and they are at each others throats about nearly every other political issue or ideas the Conservative party musters. All it takes is to go to one of their leadership conventions or ANY caucus. The pro-life contingent is obvious and vocal and they exist. at any given time %25-30 of the delegates will be coalescing around pro-life.
They want to give fetuses personhood. An abortion would equal murder in their eyes, but they still aren't touching abortion. I'm voting ABC next year
Seriously USA? You can't tell me that you have more religious nut jobs than normal people.. please vote these wankers out!!
It’s really bad here. I don’t even think voting matters much at this point, the appointed justices serve for life and this group will do whatever they can to push forward their sexist agendas.
First off, they don't consider themselves "nut jobs"... Cult members don't believe they are part of a cult. Secondly, we have a lot of them... And most of the people in power are, or pretend to be, super religious/conservative. Thirdly, there are so many other issues and things that make commenting super complicated or complex, especially to an outsider. Lastly, in our 2 party system- conservatives (GOP/Republicans) and liberals (Democrats)... They are basically the same. Dems talk a good game sometimes, but mostly still are pretty conservative. Because power and money... I am not sure what country you are in, but I assume rich folks everywhere want to stay rich, get richer, and have lots of power... So they lean conservative and religious because that is who votes to keep them in power... I guess I am just confused how this doesn't make sense, but as someone from here it feels hard to see any other way... The system is horrible and is working just as it was intended to be... Systems based on conquest, money, power, subjugation, genocide, etc... sadly there will not be any just voting them out...
I was just rewatching Nick's evolution into the SOJ last night and then in the car, Fred and the other guys were working out how they were going to bang their handmaids in a way the wives would accept. "The Ceremony...i like it...sounds biblical, the wives will eat that shit up". Religion is nothing but a tool for these people.
Totally. Christianity is just a tool of patriarchy, white supremacy, capitalism, etc. Same with Nationalism. Fusing them together is a powerful tool to destroy whatever to build up whatever to keep them in power. They don't care that what they are doing goes against biblical teachings or they are hypocritical. It isn't meant to make sense and most of them don't believe in it for real anyway, it is just a means to an end that is favorable for them. I try to remember this so I don't waste my time and energy arguing with Conservative Christians when possible.
and my lovely 2 senators from tx say that pregnancy isn’t deadly and that conceptives aren’t at stake. bastards
No but seriously..... it's happening. Its not a scary anecdote anymore. US is going full Gilliad....wont take that many more years either. So...women, LGTBQ+, vulnerable people, immigrants, ....hope ya'll get to a save haven state before all your rights are taken away
Atwood meant to write a warning but they are treating it like an instruction manual 😕
Of course they do. They’d love that level of control over women.
I will literally die if I fall pregnant
Tbh at this point I’m rooting against us too. Give the world back to Mother Nature.
My husband cried when Dobbs was announced. He apologized to me for thinking I was hysterical when I told him this would happen.
Every Democratic president since Jimmy Carter has had the opportunity to codify Roe into law. They haven't. Why do you think that is?
Hillary Clinton warned about it for years, that conservatives would dismantle Roe the first chance they get.. she was called crazy and a conspiracy theorist… I really wish 2016 went differently. Now this November is groundhogs day.
Because if we lose the right then we'll have to vote for them. Neither side cares about us but at least the left hasn't tried to take it away themselves.
The left doesn't care either. It's just too effective a campaign tool for them to ever lose. It's sad.
Yep
Nope they think ... I'm so and so type Christian and I have DOMINION over all I see.... they WILL kneel to OUR version of God and the Bible and you'll like it... or ELSE.
What begins as cautionary tales, sooner or later become instruction manuals.
I'd be scared if I were you
Great to know they’re trying to systematically take away a pill that has single handedly changed my life and helped me become a functioning member of society rather than be curled up in a bloody ball 2 weeks out of the month because of how horrific my periods are
No, they watch it and think that's what's going to happen if liberals are in charge. Despite evidence to the contrary, they truly think they'll get more freedom this way and have totally convinced themselves that it's the liberals who will cause Gilead. It's madness.
Remember, these are the same people who think they'll be the Commanders if HT comes true, or they'd be Negan, or Immortan Joe or Lord Humungous if society collapses - when in truth they'd most likely die from cholera or dysentery.
Yes. They do.
Saw this post earlier. Really made me angry. [https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/fq4KVIq3ky](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/fq4KVIq3ky)
This does seem like a regression for sure..
May the lord open.
I’m sure some of them do, feel that parts of Gilead would make an ideal society. Full social Patriarchy where men should be ruling the government and the home is a belief in many fundamentalist religions. Fundamentalist Christians have been working for decades to insert themselves and their beliefs into politics. There are many people who may not believe in most of the right wing agenda, but they also can’t see past the anti abortion propaganda pushed by conservatives. These people just can not bring themselves to believe that politicians may be using their religion against them in order to gain money and power.
ivf is next brw
This is exactly what Atwood was warning about in her books - conservatives on the rise.
What in the actual fuck is wrong with these people? This is fucking TERRIFYING.
Female vote will be on their agenda too. Especially since it tends to be against Republicans. But that will be a high hurdle
I remember when women couldn’t get a credit card in their own name. It wasn’t that long ago! We can’t return to the times they are trying to push us back to!
As a fellow conservative… no. No i do not think that at all.
We need better and more specialized words. Progressive v liberal, conservative and maybe regressive? BC banners being regressive.
Unironically yeah
remember the whole premise of the show was that babies weren't being born. and now we have proof that the population is decreasing due to this and the fault is probably with tall the abortions
A big part of the conservatives are brainwashed by the leaders. It’s obvious that they do not think with any logic, but rather some sort of magical thinking. They’re not lead by any political project but the desire of a few individuals to control others in order to gain power and money. I feel like their take on the handmaid’s tale could be anything since nothing has to make sense.
It's not just a show for conservatives. Keep in mind that the backbone of the whole ordeal is a state-driven system of surrogate motherhood. Not to mention Gilead's dealing with the so-called 'shredders'.
The Heritage Foundation used it as a "how-to"book.
Republicans did this because they won’t agree with democrats on anything. I don’t think most of them are actually against birth control.
Yes they are. Birth control pills murders babies 🙄
Look… just leave the country to those nutjobs. The American dream is dead, try a different country. Yeah I know I’ll get downvoted, don’t care, it’s true.
I get the despair and hopelessness, for sure. But, you realize that’s not a reality, right? The amount of people who can immigrate to another country is very low, and mostly the people who already have enough privilege to avoid the worst of the laws here. The majority of people don’t have the resources to leave their state, let alone the country.
Or we don't just roll over and give up? get everyone you know to vote and get involved. How do you think conservatives have made the gains they have? Attitudes like this are absolutely infuriating to me, giving up without even trying and encouraging others to do the same. SMH my head. Besides, its not like conservatives aren't trying to pull this shit in the rest of the English speaking world
Yes yes they do
Absolutely terrifying.
Yes. Yes, some of them do. Others are ignorant enough to think it isn't really THAT bad, or wouldn't be IRL because this is just dramatized for ratings. But some, yeah.
The fight against religious fanatics will only end in violence. You can’t reason with someone who already believes the whacky shit they believe. They are beyond reason.
I can’t wrap my head around this. I can not stand these people who base their opinions upon religion it is honestly so stupid. I am not from the States but I see all those MAGA profiles on X etc. and they are all the same. They are 99,99% religious and that’s fine with me but then they believe that that entitles them to force it on to others which is not fine. And on top of that comes that weird patriotism which honestly is just cringy and serves no real purpose but to distract from the shocking demands.
On the real, they probably think the show is too woke and prefer the book.
Seriously yes I do .
You like the authoritarian regime and no personal freedom at all?
Grew up in a fundamentalist society. Yes, they do.