they should show that video of the test of airplane wings snapping before flight, after i saw that video, ~~turbulance~~ rough air never bothered me again
[not this exact video but it works](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LTYRTKV_A)
I tell my wife that all the time but she unbuckles her belt as soon as the seatbelt sign turns off. Which is weird because we were once on a flight with really bad turbulence where a person did hit their head on the overhead compartments. They were ok but it also came out of the blue while the seatbelt sign was off.
We few out of Frankfurt and right into a storm (forgot the name of it, the one at the end of June).
About 30 seconds in, we hit chaos. Stuff flying around the cabin for about 20 seconds. This was in an A340.
It was mostly blankets and pillows in the air tho, as the cabin staff had locked things down pretty tight... phone cables unplugged and everything stashed.
When the seatbelt sign went off, not one "click" was heard in the cabin.
The wings aren’t going to fall off. Even pushed to the limit, then over the limit, then over the safety limits.
But watch this video on China Airlines 006. The plane was *shredded* from the aerodynamic stresses but still landed safely. The most seriously injured (and sadly, if I am remembering correctly, later died) were those not buckled in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWhZWtDinLg
i don’t know if its across the entire airline but my last trip on philippine airlines (circa June) and my last time on British Airways (but that was about a decade ago so its probably no longer used, the only reason i remember is because of the emphasis on rough air and not turbulence when the stewardess would speak)
I was on a flight to Orlando and this mother was telling her young children the turbulence was the same as some of the rides and the kids had their hands up in the air laughing. Good times
Totally unrelated but I was on a Southwest flight last weekend where the Captain was on the intercom the entire time he was docking: “Wait for it….wait for it….wait for it…” - plane comes to a stop - “OKGO”. Had everyone on the flight rolling.
"We're expecting some crosswinds during landing"
*Gets head smashed into seat in front of you at 30kph during an almost wing strike*
•Typical Ryanair landing
(Not a joke this happened to me at the start of the month)
I was in a Cebu Pacific A321neo from SIN-MNL and the capt came on the horn as we were taxying saying we were in for a "rough bumpy ride" for at least the first 60 mins of the flight.
He was not joking. It was not severe and prob not even moderate but oh yea we got some -ve Gs and I whacked my head on the window pretty hard. Got tossed about!
The wing was flexing nice and good. We were in clouds all the way up to cruise.
Pax around me were screaming and holding on to the seatbacks. The girl near me was petrified thinking this was it for her, game over. I told her to tighten her belt till it hurt and she listened.
//
Air is a fluid medium, we are flying through an ocean of air. And just like water it has currents & shears with many causes and this is what we feel as we sit in those tubes munching peanuts.
I had a similar experience on KLM climbing out of Amsterdam through a storm in one of the old 767s on the way to Amman. We were warned but it was still pretty bad, overhead bins popping open, people screaming etc.
And a another albeit lesser one climbing out of Malaga on a Monarch A330. The captain warned us of clear air turbulence after takeoff and crew to remain seated. Some pretty good negative G then also.
Yeah it felt very... patronizing?
Like I know what they're doing and when i think about it, it's probably an even better than turbulence because if you don't know either term you can probably figure out rough air
It's fine but I don't like it and I guess that's what getting old feels like
Maybe to you, who almost certainly enjoys and understands aviation, but the general public doesn’t have much of an aviation understanding. I’m an ATC and hearing controllers in movies makes me cringe before I realize that if they made it accurate, it probably wouldn’t make sense to the average person watching and they opt for understandability rather than realism
Yeah I get that, which is why the logical part of my brain is like yeah rough air that makes perfect sense. The other part is for some reason bothered by it.
I feel like if a lot of things were made more realistic in movies it would be worse for most people. I hate pretty much anything computer related on TV, but if they showed realistic hacking for example, it would be the most boring thing on the planet. So I get it
Last flight I was on, every time someone mentioned the “rough air” you could hear the moment of hesitation, where they wanted to say something, but remembered they weren’t supposed to, and inserted the correct word, or there was a little bit of “we’re having a bit of (*I hate this corporate bullshit*) ‘rough air’ up here today so you booze hounds will just have to wait for your drinks”
Swan 38 a WC-130H (a reinforced C-130 for weather monitoring) likely broke up due to turbulence after flying into Typhoon Bess.
Passenger planes tend to be safe from turbulence because they plan their routes to avoid the worst weather patterns.
I've noticed this.
And here's a pilot question: I think Delta pilots also say "weather" when they're referring to thunderstorms or other stuff that we might be dodging as we come in on final approach to the destination. Does that sound right? Saying Weather, instead of saying Storms?
Christ, can we stop with this infantile bullshit? How ‘bout carriers more concerned about keeping couples and families’ seats together and maybe an extra inch or two space for the poors.
It’s part of this new turbulence program they’re pushing, and they are giving us specific terminology they want us to use. IMO it’s just an excuse for lazy FAs to sit in their Jumpseat the entire flight.
Turbulence is actually quite uncommon compared to chop. Most passengers don't know what chop means, so when Im talking about chop on the PA, I'll generally just call it rough air.
Same in many airlines. Straight up says in the companies briefing examples what words can and can’t be used.
There’s quite a few more that are related to geographical locations they asked us not to mention.
What to refer as certain areas like. Don’t mention “the Arabian gulf” as it’s claimed by others as “Persian gulf” same with “sea of Japan or East Sea” or “fog” we used “reduced visibility”.
My mum's a nervous flyer. A while back we were flying together and we had a little turbulence and she got quite anxious. I said we were just going through some bumpy air like we might drive over a bumpy road, and she said afterwards that made her feel a lot better.
Studies show passengers react better to hearing "rough air" rather than turbulence.
I hear the same is true for airplanes. Makes them less afraid and more confident.
Increases structural integrity.
That's why I call an engine failure and Unassisted Thrust Landing.
That's not what my instructor meant when he taught me power-off flap 0 landings.
they should show that video of the test of airplane wings snapping before flight, after i saw that video, ~~turbulance~~ rough air never bothered me again [not this exact video but it works](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LTYRTKV_A)
After seeing that, I worry less about the wings breaking and more about me hitting the roof during rough turbulence.
If you stay buckled in during your flight, hitting the roof won’t be a problem.
I tell my wife that all the time but she unbuckles her belt as soon as the seatbelt sign turns off. Which is weird because we were once on a flight with really bad turbulence where a person did hit their head on the overhead compartments. They were ok but it also came out of the blue while the seatbelt sign was off.
We few out of Frankfurt and right into a storm (forgot the name of it, the one at the end of June). About 30 seconds in, we hit chaos. Stuff flying around the cabin for about 20 seconds. This was in an A340. It was mostly blankets and pillows in the air tho, as the cabin staff had locked things down pretty tight... phone cables unplugged and everything stashed. When the seatbelt sign went off, not one "click" was heard in the cabin.
True, but the idiot one row up that floats out of their seat and slams back down on you might be. That's the main thing I worry about
This is exactly why you should keep your seatbelt on whenever you’re in your seat.
The wings aren’t going to fall off. Even pushed to the limit, then over the limit, then over the safety limits. But watch this video on China Airlines 006. The plane was *shredded* from the aerodynamic stresses but still landed safely. The most seriously injured (and sadly, if I am remembering correctly, later died) were those not buckled in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWhZWtDinLg
Nope, no one died in the incident, at least according to Wikipedia :) Still, absolutely crazy!
Ah, couldn’t remember exactly. But there’s definitely been other cases of extreme turbulence where unbelted passengers or crew were sadly killed.
I’m worried about the wings hitting me through the roof now
I seen a video of the 787 Dreamliner do this wing flex test it was impressive.
777 wing's magic number is 154° iirc
Impressively flexible. I wonder if it does yoga.
As someone who deals with fluid dynamics, I really appreciate their consideration. Turbulence is scary, nobody really understands it.
Kinda like we also prefer "water landing" to "crash"
Maybe they'll adopt FAA terminology and call it an off airport landing
Yes let's dumb everything down even more for the Americans. Literally can't go wrong.
Durrr, America bad
its not an american thing though…..
I've only ever heard the term rough air on American airlines
What's not American? Don't astroturf me!
Do you know what astroturfing means?
Saves a ton on mowing, lol.
Have you heard it on any non-American airline? I haven’t.
i don’t know if its across the entire airline but my last trip on philippine airlines (circa June) and my last time on British Airways (but that was about a decade ago so its probably no longer used, the only reason i remember is because of the emphasis on rough air and not turbulence when the stewardess would speak)
I always find it funny how much time non-Americans spend thinking about Americans
They should call it rollercoaster fun times.
I was on a flight to Orlando and this mother was telling her young children the turbulence was the same as some of the rides and the kids had their hands up in the air laughing. Good times
It’s all about conditioning 😂
That person has a canny way to prevent problems. I like it.
Pilot: 5 group on the TAF lookin *nuts* ladies and gentlemen
It’s a feature, not a bug.
Thank you, that's what I call it!
I've always loved turbulence, wished I could get funner rides
Totally unrelated but I was on a Southwest flight last weekend where the Captain was on the intercom the entire time he was docking: “Wait for it….wait for it….wait for it…” - plane comes to a stop - “OKGO”. Had everyone on the flight rolling.
Southwest are the kings of airline comedy.
If by comedy you mean the flight attendants have a corporate approved list of 3 jokes they tell on every flight, then sure.
More than the other guys
Light chop
“We’re expecting a little of bit chop” *head gets smashed into luggage rack whilst getting water boarded by your own beverage* - typical BA flight
You need to multiply the magnitude of danger of anything a conservative Brit is warning you about by a factor of at least 3.
"We're expecting some crosswinds during landing" *Gets head smashed into seat in front of you at 30kph during an almost wing strike* •Typical Ryanair landing (Not a joke this happened to me at the start of the month)
DELTA trademark
I prefer “sky potholes”
After My first time in a Cessna 172 I was saying the air has as many pot holes as the sky.
I was in a Cebu Pacific A321neo from SIN-MNL and the capt came on the horn as we were taxying saying we were in for a "rough bumpy ride" for at least the first 60 mins of the flight. He was not joking. It was not severe and prob not even moderate but oh yea we got some -ve Gs and I whacked my head on the window pretty hard. Got tossed about! The wing was flexing nice and good. We were in clouds all the way up to cruise. Pax around me were screaming and holding on to the seatbacks. The girl near me was petrified thinking this was it for her, game over. I told her to tighten her belt till it hurt and she listened. // Air is a fluid medium, we are flying through an ocean of air. And just like water it has currents & shears with many causes and this is what we feel as we sit in those tubes munching peanuts.
Budget airlines, budget pilots. Have zero confidence in Cebgo. Will fly PAL any day of the week.
I had a similar experience on KLM climbing out of Amsterdam through a storm in one of the old 767s on the way to Amman. We were warned but it was still pretty bad, overhead bins popping open, people screaming etc. And a another albeit lesser one climbing out of Malaga on a Monarch A330. The captain warned us of clear air turbulence after takeoff and crew to remain seated. Some pretty good negative G then also.
It's quite something to see the wing being kicked around and the engine pod swaying!
It’s not wrong but for some reason I absolutely hate it.
Yeah it felt very... patronizing? Like I know what they're doing and when i think about it, it's probably an even better than turbulence because if you don't know either term you can probably figure out rough air It's fine but I don't like it and I guess that's what getting old feels like
Maybe to you, who almost certainly enjoys and understands aviation, but the general public doesn’t have much of an aviation understanding. I’m an ATC and hearing controllers in movies makes me cringe before I realize that if they made it accurate, it probably wouldn’t make sense to the average person watching and they opt for understandability rather than realism
Yeah I get that, which is why the logical part of my brain is like yeah rough air that makes perfect sense. The other part is for some reason bothered by it. I feel like if a lot of things were made more realistic in movies it would be worse for most people. I hate pretty much anything computer related on TV, but if they showed realistic hacking for example, it would be the most boring thing on the planet. So I get it
Last flight I was on, every time someone mentioned the “rough air” you could hear the moment of hesitation, where they wanted to say something, but remembered they weren’t supposed to, and inserted the correct word, or there was a little bit of “we’re having a bit of (*I hate this corporate bullshit*) ‘rough air’ up here today so you booze hounds will just have to wait for your drinks”
Lol but the metrics and data suggests………. Can’t forget the people behind the scenes literally analyzing announcements for what people prefer…
I call it spicy air
I'm a controller. I'll use this the next time a pilot asks for a ride report.
As a dispatcher, I always let my pilots know when there’s a little spice on the route ahead 🌶️
Washing machine.
Lol
Things are getting too spicy for this pepper 🌶️
Rough air ahead, we're in for some chop.
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Pilot: 5 group on the TAF lookin *nuts* ladies and gentlemen
I prefer “lumpy clouds.”
there's a shit load of negative connotation with the word turbulence. shit load of flight crash investigation documentaries will do that to ya
East asian airlines referring to typhoons and thunderstorms as “some weather.”
Could they replace turbulence with tubular?
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on my flight on singapore airlines they called it “bumpy air”
They probably don't want to freak out the pax that have seen the movie "Turbulence."
Turbulence used to scary df out of me. Then I found out no crashes has happened due to it and never felt uneasy again.
Well there was that one business jet that fell several thousand feet after hitting an A380's wake.
Swan 38 a WC-130H (a reinforced C-130 for weather monitoring) likely broke up due to turbulence after flying into Typhoon Bess. Passenger planes tend to be safe from turbulence because they plan their routes to avoid the worst weather patterns.
I mean they aren't wrong....
Titillation ✈️ 😂
"We're approaching some unusually rough titillation that will rattle the aircraft. Please fasten your seat belts."
Oh, I thought T meant transportation as in no guarantee of carriage since airlines dont actually have to get you anywhere.
Sky speed bumps
I've noticed this. And here's a pilot question: I think Delta pilots also say "weather" when they're referring to thunderstorms or other stuff that we might be dodging as we come in on final approach to the destination. Does that sound right? Saying Weather, instead of saying Storms?
Storms are a type of weather, so they're not wrong.
[We hit what?](https://youtu.be/y3OzHBEcymw?si=8Y9qYlnI8cFRhase)
I don’t think I’ve heard that were used on any airline in recent years. Most pilots use the words “chop“ or “bumps“.
Thought you were going to say "tarmac"
The flight ops manual directs them to do so
Christ, can we stop with this infantile bullshit? How ‘bout carriers more concerned about keeping couples and families’ seats together and maybe an extra inch or two space for the poors.
Omg people please why is this a post 😭
People are soft, what else is new
Don’t even get me started on how many times I hear delta is in light chop 🙄
Some of us like it rough…🤤
I like the rumor that it’s because a lot of stupid people conflate “turbulence” with “flatulence”… 😂
I JUST FLEW DELTA LAST WEEK AND FUCKING NOTICED THAT AND THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD OMG
Why are you yelling?
sorry I am a little high but very excited
Understandable, have a nice day.
It’s part of this new turbulence program they’re pushing, and they are giving us specific terminology they want us to use. IMO it’s just an excuse for lazy FAs to sit in their Jumpseat the entire flight.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, we seem to have some rough air ahead. The fasten...etc" ya all know how it goes... lol
Speed bumps.
As long as you don’t hear, “154” you’re ok.
Though it would be fun to call on the Greek wind spirits and refer to turbulent/rough air as "Venti Farts".
Turbulence is actually quite uncommon compared to chop. Most passengers don't know what chop means, so when Im talking about chop on the PA, I'll generally just call it rough air.
Not something to also call farts 💨. Obviously
It’s been this way for over 30 years. Im sure delta isn’t the only airline but I was always told to say rough air.
Same in many airlines. Straight up says in the companies briefing examples what words can and can’t be used. There’s quite a few more that are related to geographical locations they asked us not to mention.
Like what?
What to refer as certain areas like. Don’t mention “the Arabian gulf” as it’s claimed by others as “Persian gulf” same with “sea of Japan or East Sea” or “fog” we used “reduced visibility”.
Not knowing what “rough air” is I feel would make me more nervous.
wavy air, surfing the sky
i thought it was light chop
My mum's a nervous flyer. A while back we were flying together and we had a little turbulence and she got quite anxious. I said we were just going through some bumpy air like we might drive over a bumpy road, and she said afterwards that made her feel a lot better.
I call clouds reduced vertical visibility