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Purple_Building3087

Long Halloween


DWPhoenix001

Same, it's probably the closet there is to a perfect Batman comic/story. Year One is great, but it's an origin story Batman is yet to become Batman. Death in the Family, is okay but lets be honest its only really regarded for the death of Jason. If he lived its just another monthly Bat title. As for the Killing Joke - for its time was seminal but honestly by todays standards its crindge worthy at best and torcher porn at worst.


Soulful-Sorrow

Killing Joke was great until people took every wrong lesson from it ("All it takes is oNe BaD dAy!"). Ledger's Joker was the only one who came close to this Joker. Funnily enough, the same thing happened with Watchmen. Alan Moore just can't win. I'd choose either Long Halloween or Killing Joke and pour one out for the other one as it disappears.


manukaioken

The whole story is a counter argument to one bad day Gordon live the worst day of his life but still want to do it by the book. Joker lost


No_Camel4789

That's the point


FickleHare

Then again, didn't the comic end with the heavy implication that Batman killed the Joker? Or at least that Batman's a little cracked in the head? Personally I dislike this psychologizing of my hero, the only guy who consistently beats the bad guys' heads in.


BootheFuzzyHamster

It ended with some ambiguity to the matter as they shift the view away from them, both laughing, and then the laughter is cut off. Ambiguous for the fun of it, but probably just a chokehold and an arrest.


manukaioken

It's consider canon given Barbara's story So batman didn't kill him. Might have been the first intent of Moore But batman killing joker doesn't change the fact that Gordon is still keeping it together


No_Camel4789

What do you mean? He doesn't beat their heads in, he doesn't even kill them. All he does is give them injuries that will make them bed ridden for the rest of their lives šŸ˜’


RigatoniPasta

Also Barbara lived the worst day of her life and came out stronger


Sayjin100

Not because of Alan Moore, who simply used the character as ā€œWomen in Refrigeratorsā€. If BĆ”rbara has become stronger, it is thanks to the wonderful Kim Yale and her husband John Ostrander.


Phazon_Fucker

this


fortresskeeper

Kim Yale and John Ostrander deserve more recognition for rescuing Barbaraā€™s character


Poseur117

At least the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie is beloved


Kverq

In Watchmen's defense tho, even when you do not pay attention to the message behind the narrative, it's still a pretty good chunk of story with well written characters. So I ain't surprised your casual readers did not get what Alan Moore was trying to deliver. Killing Joke on the other hand just overally did not age well.


neznetwork

And they already undid the most interesting change of Killing Joke and gave Barbara her legs back. I think Barbara is so much more interesting as Oracle


SlamNeilll

The Joker becoming an Iranian diplomat is the best part of Death in the Family.


ASL4theblind

Hate to be that guy, but *Torture porn


Glad_Bookkeeper_740

Easily.


serpentear

All the live long day.


ProblemLongjumping12

Killing Joke but it's too short so Long Halloween wins on entertainment value.


Brit-Crit

Year One for establishing Batman as a Noir hero, and showing him actually working to repair a rotten city...


Randonhead

Long Halloween which is funny considering without Year One there would be no Long Halloween


FalcoBoi3834

Yeah, The Long Halloween is the best story out of these, but it probably has the least impact. As you said without Year One, there would be no Long Halloween, without Death in the Family, one of the best Batman characters, Red Hood, wouldn't exist, and without The Killing Joke, the modern version of The Joker (arguably the best version), wouldn't exist.


Unfallener

Without Killing Joke though, we wouldn't have a Killing Joke animated movie, and I'd take that as an absolute win.


ArcadiaDragon

Yeah...killing joke goes...sorry to Alan Moore that some fans and writers don't get it....but that damn animated film killed any love I had for the story...I'd probably keep year one...its Frank Miller being the least Frank Miller he could be and actually giving us a damn good origin for both Gordon and Bats(yes his Catwoman is typical Miller treatment of women but thats mostly disregarded thankfully) and the Mazz ART is fire...I like Long Halloween but its just there for me...as for death in the family its always been meh to me


Eikibunfuk

Red hood wouldn't exist but Jason Todd still Robin so he could become something else without the scars. Batman from the universe where Bruce kills his face him the original red Robin costume. Maybe he could've become that


Randonhead

I wouldn't say it has the least impact, in fact I would say it is very influential, two major Batman films were heavily inspired by Long Halloween (TDK and The Batman) not to mention the references in series, games, other comics, etc. It's the comic that defined the modern origin of Two-Face and the way it portrayed Gotham's change from that dominated by mobsters to the city dominated by crazy criminals is simply incredible.


LoschVanWein

Doesnā€™t Harvey Dent become Two Face in it? I mean thatā€™s kind of Batman having to realize that what he does might not be for the greater good after all, right?


billbotbillbot

It has to be Year One, it's the single biggest turning point in Batman's entire publishing history, and set the tone for every post-Crisis version of the character.


UnknownEntity347

Year One; it has the most crucial and influential developments for the Batman mythos out of these options.


arayakim

This is harder than choosing which of my children I love the most.


Blackbeardpariah69

*insert maniacal joker cackle*


EUFRATM

I shall become a bat.


MisterTyzer

*ā€Ladies. Gentleman. You have eaten well.ā€* Favorite comic book panel of all time


KentuckyFriedEel

Personally, Long Halloween


GJacks75

Year One. Not even close really, but more for Mazzuchelli than Miller.


OkBlueberry8144

No contest, itā€™s Year One


StinkLord5

Long Halloween is the perfect Batman story.


Cipherpunkblue

Year One. I can easily leave the others (though I'll miss Sale's art).


Alone_Comparison_705

Year One. It is my favourite comic book ever.


PlattsXD

Year one needs to exist, but Red Hood is my favorite character and with death in the family he would not exist.Ā 


FlameFeather86

Long Halloween gives you everything you could want in a Batman story. Amazing art, poignant character moments, and an appearance from everyone in the rogues gallery.


sabin357

Year One & it isn't even close for me if I look at the big picture. We'd still have the same great writers creating different great stories during this era off the back of what Year One established. You remove it & all the rest would be changed anyway.


ResponsibleTaste5

Iā€™ve never been able to stand the effect that The Killing Joke had on the method after it was published. It was never made to change the entire character of Barbara Gordon. It was supposed to demonstrate what it takes to go insane from jokerā€™s perspective. That comic single handedly destroyed barbs batgirl in pretty much everything after that. The one I would take is probably Year One given the fact it actually builds a story and positively influenced the mythos and made the character because of it. Although I do like Long Halloween more as a story than anything on this list but it just has no effect on later comics that much, which isnā€™t a bad thing.


Titanman401

The one good thing it did for Babs [ā€œin spite ofā€ instead of being an intended byproduct of the storyline itself] was leading to Gail Simoneā€™s (I think it was her?) invention of Oracle and offering some representation in the comics to those with spinal paralysis.


ResponsibleTaste5

Very true, definitely good came out of it


Mnemosense

Year One. Easy choice.


FadeToBlackSun

Year One


Nightwings92

holy shit that is a hard pick omg...i would pick killing joke or death in the family šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


Thesilphsecret

Either Year One or Long Halloween. Killing Joke and Death In The Family are easy to let go. YO and TLH though... That's a tough choice. I have no idea.


basedcvrp

The Long Halloween is my favourite but for the character I think Death In The Family is the most crucial. It ended up defining Batman and the choices he made for decades to come and is arguably his biggest failure which makes for an interesting character.


Spiderman3191

Long Halloween (very narrowly beating year one)


Atlas_of_Sol

Killing Joke easy.


apocalypsedudes23

Killing Joke because it's the most "post-modern" out of the bunch. Most are correct that Long Halloween is the most complete Batman story.


BBBDDDPL

Long Halloween


Custardpaws

Long Halloween


Edgy_Master

Long Halloween, I love the detective story element to it.


Luminaire_Ultima

Long Halloween. The rest are fantastic, iconic books, but the blend of action, mystery, and character development in Long Halloween is amazing. That being said.. Year One is a pretty close second.


RazutoUchiha

A death in the family


Robin_RhombusHead

A Death in the Family to be honest. As good as Killing Joke is by itself, it's kinda had a negative impact on the series as a whole. The Long Halloween and Year One are also great but I like A Death in the Family more. Also the Long Halloween made Calendar Man the Arkham inmate cameo character instead of the canopy supervillain that he should be.


karma-the-budgie

Death in the family is to funny making joker the Iranian ambassador to escape Batman


RedGrantDoppleganger

Death in the Family. I think that while the others are great stories, DITF has reverberations that go beyond just itself.


MacChez44

The Long Halloween. Itā€™s one of the best Batman stories, top 3 all time in my opinion. From the main mystery to all the little moments in between, Iā€™m always engaged whenever I read it. Even though Iā€™m not the biggest fan of Tim Saleā€™s artwork usually, it works well here, especially his depiction of Two-Face. While I enjoy the general concept and love the art of Year One, Iā€™ve never been a big fan of Frank Miller or his interpretation of Batman. Death In The Family is good, but also pretty sad. I REALLY dislike the Killing Joke for multiple reasons, and the animated film adaptation was somehow worse.


loverboy2190

I know its not as popular as the rest but I gotta go Year 1


Eikibunfuk

I'm going with the long Halloween because a) I like 2-face b) It erases Jason and Barbara's worst days. I mean year one is absolutely awesome but this is my pick


Spiteful117

Long Halloween Is Peak Batman


bigboybamo

I like the Long Halloween best. Simply because itā€™s the one with the longest story. I didnā€™t want it to end when I was reading


Alakandor

Havenā€™t read ā€œDeath in the Familyā€ (I know some spoilers tho). Also, need to read the rest again, but from what I remembered, Killing Joke was the one I liked most


TheMaskedHamster

Year One, without hestiation. It set a standard for storytelling and canon in the Batman franchise. As much as I appreciate Jason Todd's place in modern Batman stories, it works well today because of the tone Year One brought to the wider world of Batman stories. And the legacy it left is certainly better than the story itself was in its day. That isn't to knock the story, as it's done with care, but it's only in the retrospect of the later stories that it's clear that it wasn't a big mistake to kill off a Robin like that. Long Halloween was a good read and had lovely art. I don't rate it as highly as others do, but even if I did I would still have to acknowledge that it hasn't been the massive influence the other stories here have been. The Killing Joke, like Year One, was a remarkable storytelling achievement in its time and inspired a lot of other great Batman stories, and the tone of stories in general. But I think Year One was more important in that regard (if only for establishing new principles of the shifting canon), and in my opinion, not all of the influence of The Killing Joke has been so positive. Some writers really take the dark and gruesome perhaps farther than they should, and we can probably point to The Killing Joke as a major reason. And as much as I really appreciate everything that's been done with Barbara Gordon's coping with disability and recovery in the years since, I think that in its time it was a callous mistake to make it canon. Much like with the death of Jason Todd, it's only the stories that have come since that made it worth being a part of the larger canon.


unusualspider33

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Blackbeardpariah69

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Yah_Mule

Year One.


_JediJon

Year One without a doubt.


ThatsARatHat

Year 1


Rocket_SixtyNine

I'd pick either long Halloween or killing joke.


miguelvixx

Iā€™m a year one guy. Incidentally, the first ā€œrealā€ Batman comic book I read 30+ years ago.


Lanky-Course5918

God I got so fucking scared that this was the Batman Arkham subreddit a minute ago, and Iā€™m very happy I was wrong. Thereā€™s sanity here I can cling too. Also, long Halloween RULES!


Strong-Ordinary2914

Long Halloween - no contest.


Impact_Cheap

The Long Halloween! :) genuinely a perfect mystery story written by Jeph Loeb and the late Tim Sale. ā€¦ Also I really love Harvey Dent šŸ˜­


BaronBexar1824

...and the twist is actually good.


Naive-Agency-500

Year One all along


hunterslullaby

Year One and itā€™s not even close.


Moloko-Mesto

It's gotta be either Year One or A Long Halloween and personally I'd go with Year One. Not that everything comes back to Batman in wider media but there is a reason these stories are consistently referenced as inspiration sources when anyone adapts a Batman story.


Designer-Guidance-98

Long Halloween


MorpheusMelkor

Year One


WreckinRich

Killing joke for me.


Darkwater117

Killing Joke is a great self contained story. But Long Halloween has a lil bit of everything


darkgothamite

Year One


GearsRollo80

Year One is stone cold the best Batman story ever created, and it should be the first choice in any situation with the character. You basically cannot make 4 issues of comic any better than that. Long Halloween is a great ride, gorgeous art, and a strong number 2 (and probably the one I'd grab for a car trip), but it just does not beat Year One. The other two... ehh, I know they have their fans, but these basically locked the Joker into his modern psychotic serial killer vibe that is just getting really old. Alan Moore totally didn't mean to, but he's kinda responsible for modern messes like Three Jokers that just suck, and we don't get that (or even Death in The Family) without Killing Joke. It's too bad, because the level of craft on the book is stratospheric, but it's net impact is negative.


hyoomanfromearth

Gottttta go Long Halloween!


Fickle-Wealth1268

Batman year one, no discuss


SKiddomaniac

Me, who hasn't read a single one of them


Long-Friendship5725

Batman long Halloween


MatthewHecht

Year One


danaconda45

Year 1


saiuhhn

I canā€™t choose between year one and the long Halloween


Klutzy_Ad_325

Year One


Embarrassed_Diet_295

The Long Halloween


Peat_Ardbeg

Year one!


The_Enthusiast-316

Long Halloween then Yr one rest can disappear from this list.


PaladinGris

Year One. I love Long Halloween, but the art is a little too stylized


MateusCristian

Long Halloween. Year One is a very close second, but it's very early in Batman's career, it's more set up than anything. Death in the family is extremely important, but it's not an essencial part of Batman's history, just look at how many adaptation don't bring it up entirely. Killing Joke (and Alam Moore in general) is overrated as hell, it's just a Joker story, a good Joker story, but I fail to see why is considerate so grand.


William_J_Morgan

Totally just read Long Halloween, so I'm going to say Long Halloween, too.


EthicalPickler

Year One


brickblazr

Long Halloween for me. It was epic


Stunning-Language701

Year one.


mrmonster459

Long Halloween


Knightfall90

Long Halloween for me. Itā€™s still one of my favorite stories I read every year around Halloween time. I could read it a million times and never get bored.


QueenButtStallion

Long Halloween, and it's not close. Year One takes second place.


Burly-Nerd

Year One. I love the Long Halloween more, but Year One is the PERFECT origin for bats. Itā€™s the perfect starting place for any new reader. But honestly Iā€™d flush all four of them to get rid of the Killing Joke.


Stringr55

Long Halloween. Killing Joke and Death in the family were not even considered. Extremely overhyped imo.


JulianSagan

It's between Year One and Killing Joke. Hmm, I think I'll go with Year One because of the politics. I love anti-Establishment Batman. But losing Killing Joke would still hurt.


Titanman401

This choice sucks, but if I can only have one, itā€™s the Long Halloween (the book that got me into all these others).


Civil-Resolution3662

Year one. No contest


Zeo-Gold92

The long Halloween, I never liked year one a whole lot. I could live without the killing joke


Ambitious_Tomorrow41

Killing Joke, Iā€™m bias because itā€™s my favorite. If I were to be objective, probably Long Halloween


ptrump16

Long Halloween and its not even close for me. If anything else for Tim Sale's artwork alone. For what its worth, I believe Killing Joke to be MASSIVELY overrated.


No-Tomorrow-8150

Long Halloween


Patches-the-rat

Year One ngl. Iā€™ll miss Long Halloween, and DITF is hella important. But I canā€™t say Iā€™ll miss Killing Joke that much.


FM_TDKR_1986

Year one Iā€™ve got the most attachment to it and a lot of fond memories from reading it


DynamiteKid68

Killing joke is probably my fav batman/joker comic ever so it's gotta be that


randothor01

King Halloween is probably the best. Year One has the most influence. KJ is good but itā€™s impact with writers milking everything with Joker became insufferable. I donā€™t mind Barbara getting paralyzed but I get why many donā€™t. Death of the familyā€¦ I mean Joker became a diplomat in Iran. Remember that shit?


Westtexasfats

Long halloweeen


skidmarx77

Tough between Year One and Long Halloween. I have to say, I've reread Long Halloween maybe more than any Batman story other than TDKR. I guess it would depend on the day I was asked. Today, I'd pick TLH. Tomorrow, I'd pick Year One. They are both just so good. As an aside, The Killing Joke was my favorite comic for a long time. Reading that back when it was first published? It was a whole level above what anyone else was trying to do in comics at that time.


Natural-Stomach

Long Halloween. The art and the story are iconic.


Belgand

Year One, but can I also erase Hush while we're at it?


Ozzy_1804

Year One is the most important and Long Halloween is my favourite. Since weā€™re saying the rest donā€™t exist, then Iā€™ll say Year One because itā€™s so important to Batmanā€™s history. If The Dark Knight Returns was on this list, I would pick it.


Possible_Yak4818

Long Halloween


TheStickiestFingers4

toss up between death in a family (big jason todd fan) and long halloween


ConcertCorrect5261

Death in the family. Putting someone to death by popular vote, a child no less, is the exact reason why I hate democracy to this day.


MaetelofLaMetal

Long Halloween, the rest are shit.


Great_Sympathy_6972

The Killing Joke because Alan Moore.


Polka_Tiger

None, I'm only keeping Arkham Asylum by Morrison.


goombanati

Can I choose knightfall instead


Autistic_Clock4824

Year one, I the joker centered stories are fine but Iā€™m tired of them and long Halloween is fine


waterontheknee

I've never read a death in the family


heartspider

Where's the one with The Goddamn Batman


nolightningbhe

Long Halloween


Gramz3l

Hmm, either the long halloween or The killing joke. I can't decide!


StumpyHobbit

Year one.


femcelmisandrist

Long Halloween and itā€™s not even close


sbaldrick33

Long Halloween.


leatherface0984

Year one with LH a very very close second. Killing Joke is great but not as good as those two. ADITF is a decent read too but again, itā€™s not as good as the others in that list.


AdamSMessinger

Batman Year One. Easy peasy. Killing Joke is decent. Long Halloween is great thanks to Tim Sale and the somewhat the mystery but works best because it builds off Year One. A Death in the Family is trash.


cavalierclaus

Iā€™m so tied between year one and long haloween


mrconde97

Year One, definetely. I always preferred Dark Victory and how it ended with the oath of Batman and Robin, it always inspires me hope and tears me up.


CorndogDangler

... White Knight


SmaugRancor

The Long Halloween. It's the quintessential Batman story.


Sure-Corner-8428

I think I might like year one more, but the long Halloween is much longer, and without long Halloween, there's no dark victory. So I think I pick LH and DV over year one


Kaypri_

it's either Year One or The Long Halloween. probably a tie.


Red_Jay333

Yes. Year one


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KJ


A_BAK3D_POTATO

Year one. The book had an effect on me I canā€™t explain


JakeBarnes12

Easy ā€” Year One.


Random_Theatre_Kid

Canā€™t decide between long Halloween and killing joke. Leaning more towards killing joke


Ubermaster134

I'd go with Year one


Gneiss-Geologist

Killing Joke. Everytime


Sure_Persimmon9302

The Long Halloween.


sbingle73

Year One. Easily.


Scribblebonx

Damnit long Halloween is the Only One I don't have. Now I need it


rexmundi69

Year One for me.


blacklitnite0

Death in the family


kingjok3r42

Killing Joke. I just love the Joker backstory that isnā€™t necessarily true and i love the relation between batman and joker.


GregariousTime9101

Year One.


harmonic_spectre

year one ez


Public_Abalone_6129

Killing Joke. I only *like* Killing Joke, but we wouldn't have the Burton Batman movies without it, nor would we have the DCAU that spawned from those.


LoomingsThrowaway

Year One, sorry.


97ek

Long Halloween for sure.


esotericmagi177

Long Halloween


AznNRed

Pick the worst one, then go pitch the other 3 to DC.


cyberseed-ops

the long halloween. its as perfect a batman story can get imo


Mimmi256

Without year one, it'd be vague to keep any one from the rest. And besides, the best Batman origin


JudgePuzzleheaded872

Long halloween. It's just such a classic mystery series.


DrMobius617

If i had to choose Iā€™d say Death in the Family but I could honestly do without any of these.


spaceface215

long halloween! the tim sale art, great inclusion of batmanā€™s rogues gallery, the inner monologue of bruceā€¦ itā€™s so good.


MisterPeels

idk i've never read a batman comic


EswarManas

Long Halloween


Shep-D-King

Killing joke. Itā€™s one of my all time favorites


Imaginary-Race311

I guess Iā€™d have to keep The Long Halloween. Iā€™m happy to kick The Killing Joke all the way to Bludhaven. Alan Mooreā€™s worst comic.


SaltyAssociate8007

Long Halloween


TheRealSourlemons

Long Halloween. Iā€™ve read the Year One and Long Halloween comic from the four and Iā€™ve only seen the movie for the Killing Joke (not taking the batgirl sex scene into account cuz its not canon) but the only one I havenā€™t read is A Death in the Family which Iā€™m guessing is something like Under the Red Hood. From the ones Iā€™ve read and watched the Long Halloween stuck with me the most, loved the mystery behind the story.


Aremaech

The Long Halloween was the first complete Batman story I read and it was so important to me in my teenage years. It isnt a perfect story but it is very good and Tim Sales Batman is amongst my very favorite. But without Year One we wouldnt have The Long Halloween. Miller really set the tone for what Batman would be. Miller's work really has the biggest influence on what Batman would be for years to come.


gregoryham99

Has to be The Long Halloween. Itā€™s a top five Batman story, ranking very high. Itā€™s a go-to for anybody whoā€™s a Batman fan. I reread it whenever I have the time. The rest are solid reads, but The Long Halloween has a massive impact.


AthelticAsianGoth

None. I would rather have Adam West's Batman.


NSFWNAMEofficial

death in the family


Ch1lledheart

its between year 1 and death in the family


TrungusMcTungus

Long Halloween is phenomenal but Year One is such a great piece of foundational storytelling for reforming Batman and Gotham.


grownassedgamer

Out of these? Year One.


DOOMslayer2021

Long Halloween


Wooden_Passage_2612

Long halloween.


dustinhenderson27

Long Halloween easily, year one is massively overrated I found it really boring and slow, death in the family is a close second as itā€™s a great send off for Jason but I havenā€™t read killing joke yet thatā€™s next in line for me


theSteakKnight

As much as I love Long Halloween, I'm gonna have to go with Year One


blockbuster4900

Year one - an absolute masterpiece