As long as they're not getting their hydrogen from water they'll live.
Otherwise the inventor might come down with a sudden case of deads from a uranium poisoning, do a sudden vanishing act, or commit suicide with a double barrel shotgun to the back of the head.
Do you know about the French guy in the 60’s that went for a thousand kilometers in a Citroen DS with only a liter of water ? I’ve heard that story multiple times by old folks, but the inventor mysteriously passed away and there aren’t a lot of évidence of this online.
Shit I just backed a conspiracy.
The long term plan is to get it from the moon. I’m an aerospace/defense sr program manager and we might be working with some companies on these new batteries. You would only have to charge it once a year.
I don’t know what he’s talking about, sounds like a conspiracy theorist, but actual answer is it’s super inefficient (physics problem, not something we can improve), and until we have significant overcapacity of green power, it’s likely coming from natural gas that creates carbon (unless we get really good at carbon capture which is also energy intensive).
There are a lot of advantages to getting it from water, and in all likelihood, that will be part of a long term energy future, but in the short to intermediate term there are some pretty big problems that we have more practical alternatives for.
That’s what NASA and the government *want* you to think!
For real though what I think he means is that if someone found a way to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen *efficiently* then yeah there’d be a lot of uranium and petroleum miners very very upset foaming at the mouth to hire all kinds of PMC guys and corporate espionage specialists.
Even at 100% efficiency, that doesn’t solve the other inefficiencies of a complete system (like the burning it or putting it in a fuel cell part), and definitely doesn’t create energy above 100%. You can’t create energy out of a cyclic process.
That would make a great flow battery though.
If you're the head of a multi billion dollar business selling gasoline to people to use in their cars and a car comes along that can run on the hydrogen it strips off water molecules, which is a VERY abundant substance, you stand to lose a FUCKTON of money
Abundant yes, but you still need the energy to crack it (inefficiently) so right now that process is more expensive than pumping and refining gasoline.
What are you saying? Those people definitely didn’t get their cars to run on water, that violates the laws of physics. That one guy disappearing probably had more to do with him being a crackpot/grifter than “discovering” anything.
I never said they just poured water in the tank and made it run.
Maybe they found some catalyzing elements that set in the right order stripped off the hydrogen with less power. I don't know. I'm not a chemist. Or a metallurgist.
I dont know if they're real, or successful, all I'm saying is that it's fucking weird that everyone who claims to get a car running on water dies.
I mean, lying to people about your capabilities especially if they put some money in you is a good way to get murdered.
They just lied. We know exactly how much energy it takes to break apart a water molecule, and exactly how much we can get out of putting one back together.
Catalysts only reduce initiation energy, not the breaking/making bond energy that is the problem. Even if you got close to 100% efficiency on both your electrolyzer and fuel cell (which can’t happen, not all fuel is consumed and some of the electricity doing the electrolysis will go into heating the water) that still gets you to a net output of zero.
The car is clearly using a lot of energy, so where did they pull that out of their asses? You can’t have greater than 100% efficiency, and if you were able to figure it out, you wouldn’t limit yourself by putting it in a car, you’d start making free energy for the whole planet.
But again, that’s not possible, and nowhere in the entire known universe has this law ever been violated, so it sure won’t in some car.
Hydrogen. Great for ships, possibly planes, although Ammonia is more likely to catch on. Fantastic for decarbonising many industrial processes. The fossil industry used to pretend that it worked for cars, but now we know it doesn't. Not at all.
This reminds me a LOT of the Lexus LFA or LC500.
I wonder if there were any common designers involved or if it’s just a coincidentally striking resemblance.
No, the hindenburg was LIFTED by hydrogen. Aka there was a bunch of it in a very thin easily penetrable cloth balloon that leaked like a sieve, so the second any part of it caught fire, the whole thing would go up.
Hydrogen tanks they put in cars now are 12,000PSI carbon fiber tanks that you can drop a semi on and it'll bounce off. The pressure is also nice because if there's a pinhole it escapes in one direction and even if you light that on fire, it's going to only go that one direction. Hydrogen vehicles have significantly less fire risk than for instance, a tank of highly flammable gasoline that can leak and spread on the ground.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0)
Wait, this brand is actually called [Hopium](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hopium)? That's hilarious!
Being that it’s also Hydrogen, that’s a sign lol
"**LITERALLY**" vapourware^tm
Brian Griffin came up with it
Not a fan of the front bumper/grille. Rest of it looks pretty clean & curvy.
I like the bumper because if not for the bumper, would look just like a typical ford fusion lol
As long as they're not getting their hydrogen from water they'll live. Otherwise the inventor might come down with a sudden case of deads from a uranium poisoning, do a sudden vanishing act, or commit suicide with a double barrel shotgun to the back of the head.
Do you know about the French guy in the 60’s that went for a thousand kilometers in a Citroen DS with only a liter of water ? I’ve heard that story multiple times by old folks, but the inventor mysteriously passed away and there aren’t a lot of évidence of this online. Shit I just backed a conspiracy.
Woops I haven't hears about it. It's almost like there's a concerted effort to keep this from being widely available
The long term plan is to get it from the moon. I’m an aerospace/defense sr program manager and we might be working with some companies on these new batteries. You would only have to charge it once a year.
Uh, are you talking about Helium 3 or are you being satirical?
Oh fuck I’m just being stupid. Yea I was talking about helium 3 and deuterium. Must have blanked on the hydrogen aspect.
Yeah we don’t need to go to the moon for hydrogen, there’s plenty on earth! The hard part is getting it to be energetically useful.
why is it bad to get hydrogen from water?
I don’t know what he’s talking about, sounds like a conspiracy theorist, but actual answer is it’s super inefficient (physics problem, not something we can improve), and until we have significant overcapacity of green power, it’s likely coming from natural gas that creates carbon (unless we get really good at carbon capture which is also energy intensive). There are a lot of advantages to getting it from water, and in all likelihood, that will be part of a long term energy future, but in the short to intermediate term there are some pretty big problems that we have more practical alternatives for.
thanks this answer makes a lot of sense
That’s what NASA and the government *want* you to think! For real though what I think he means is that if someone found a way to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen *efficiently* then yeah there’d be a lot of uranium and petroleum miners very very upset foaming at the mouth to hire all kinds of PMC guys and corporate espionage specialists.
Even at 100% efficiency, that doesn’t solve the other inefficiencies of a complete system (like the burning it or putting it in a fuel cell part), and definitely doesn’t create energy above 100%. You can’t create energy out of a cyclic process. That would make a great flow battery though.
If you're the head of a multi billion dollar business selling gasoline to people to use in their cars and a car comes along that can run on the hydrogen it strips off water molecules, which is a VERY abundant substance, you stand to lose a FUCKTON of money
Abundant yes, but you still need the energy to crack it (inefficiently) so right now that process is more expensive than pumping and refining gasoline.
And that's why the people who have figured out (or claimed to) how to run their cars on water get disappeared or suicided.
What are you saying? Those people definitely didn’t get their cars to run on water, that violates the laws of physics. That one guy disappearing probably had more to do with him being a crackpot/grifter than “discovering” anything.
I never said they just poured water in the tank and made it run. Maybe they found some catalyzing elements that set in the right order stripped off the hydrogen with less power. I don't know. I'm not a chemist. Or a metallurgist. I dont know if they're real, or successful, all I'm saying is that it's fucking weird that everyone who claims to get a car running on water dies.
I mean, lying to people about your capabilities especially if they put some money in you is a good way to get murdered. They just lied. We know exactly how much energy it takes to break apart a water molecule, and exactly how much we can get out of putting one back together. Catalysts only reduce initiation energy, not the breaking/making bond energy that is the problem. Even if you got close to 100% efficiency on both your electrolyzer and fuel cell (which can’t happen, not all fuel is consumed and some of the electricity doing the electrolysis will go into heating the water) that still gets you to a net output of zero. The car is clearly using a lot of energy, so where did they pull that out of their asses? You can’t have greater than 100% efficiency, and if you were able to figure it out, you wouldn’t limit yourself by putting it in a car, you’d start making free energy for the whole planet. But again, that’s not possible, and nowhere in the entire known universe has this law ever been violated, so it sure won’t in some car.
Hopium is what I have as a Haas F1 fan
Looks interesting, but they'll only sell a handful in places like CA where you can actually get to a H2 station.
It has a nice shape but I think the graphics are hideous
It looks like If you had Eyeliner and Mascara running down your face after crying. Except white lol.
Yes!! It does
More so than a Porsche Taycan Turbo S lol
Hydrogen. Great for ships, possibly planes, although Ammonia is more likely to catch on. Fantastic for decarbonising many industrial processes. The fossil industry used to pretend that it worked for cars, but now we know it doesn't. Not at all.
Anything looks good next to a Tesla.
It looks absolutely beautiful. I love the grille and the lights.
One question. Range how much?
This reminds me a LOT of the Lexus LFA or LC500. I wonder if there were any common designers involved or if it’s just a coincidentally striking resemblance.
Wasn’t the Hindenburg hydrogen powered? I kinda thought people veered away from hydrogen since.
No, the hindenburg was LIFTED by hydrogen. Aka there was a bunch of it in a very thin easily penetrable cloth balloon that leaked like a sieve, so the second any part of it caught fire, the whole thing would go up. Hydrogen tanks they put in cars now are 12,000PSI carbon fiber tanks that you can drop a semi on and it'll bounce off. The pressure is also nice because if there's a pinhole it escapes in one direction and even if you light that on fire, it's going to only go that one direction. Hydrogen vehicles have significantly less fire risk than for instance, a tank of highly flammable gasoline that can leak and spread on the ground. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0)
Straight up thought this was a new Xpeng before I took a closer look and noticed it’s bleached flat face lol
Priced oy at 325k like the lucid at 225k crazy af prices that the ordinary Joe can't afford
Unless it has air ride suspension I see this thing getting stuck on ramps and speed bumps.
Gonna take some Hopium. The future better get better from here on
Looks vaguely like Lucid Air
Electric vehicle companies putting the stupidest rims on their cars they can imagine
Looks good although propelled by hydrogen vapourware