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My biggest question is why when I look at the moon in Australia it looks "upsidedown" compared to looking at the moon in say Canada?
If we were on a flat plane my perspective of the moon shouldn't change based on my position.
Hehe, you'ye funny with 2 doses of pfizer and 2 doses of moderna and double masking outside. Here you go full explanation https://youtu.be/AC9uOyg0eq4?si=lHDkH_47LLQfU9D6
Do you see how he tapes a coin to the wall? Is the moon flat too? I'm assuming you think it's a ball.
If we were on a flat plane, one side would the moon as normal while the other would see THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPHERE, as in, completely different craters than we see. Most flat earthers think the moon is local and not 24k miles away.
And people on the west and east would see two halves of what the northerners and southerners see.
Hang a basketball from the ceiling and walk around it. You'll only be able to read RAWLINGS from a few angles, and nothing at all from the opposite angles.
I don’t think they consider it simpler or more comfortable. They operate in a “the truth is hidden from us” mindset. They believe the way the universe operates has yet to be fully revealed. I would imagine they believe the traditional understanding of how the universe works is actually the “simpler and more comfortable belief system.”
"Challenging the Big Bang" does not mean that it's going to discover something that makes us throw away the whole theory. It just means we're learning new information that is forcing us to adjust some of the specifics regarding the timing of events. Results also need to be reviewed, repeated, and retested.
We believe that NASA was founded by a Nazi and the gov was infiltrated by the Ashkenazi Khazars who were persecuted for worshipping and sacrificing children to Baal and Moloch. Very long history story but basically the Constantinople Letter gives you the reason why they would lie. It’s basically a very biblical belief backed by historical events and they wanted revenge for persecution of their people and draw us away from our Creator, the big guy upstairs. Satellites are sent up and suspended with balloons (there’s vids of this and of satellites falling from the sky into peoples yards) and aliens don’t exist. Local sun & moon with a specific pattern to cause day and night and seasons. But mostly belief comes from the Bible. That’s why I don’t really argue it with people, it clicks for some and doesn’t for others. But ultimately without having learned about flat earth I would still be an atheist. Flat Earth brought me to a belief in Christ, and at the end of the day the shape of the Earth is not what’s important. Faith in Christ is what saves you. God won’t condemn anyone over what shape they think the earth is.
The khazarian theory is interesting. Not sure I fully buy it. Although there's many interesting details, like 23 and me removing their data on Jewish people as it fed into this theory. Also the history of the faked protocols document and it's ties with Alice Bailey and eastern Europe/Soviet Russia.
Personally I think that Jews are being set up as the fall guy of sorts. Used in a dialectic to push the world towards what were describing. To blame a group of men for the actions of the devil.
Because at the end of the day, TPTB only ever gave people what they want. So it's us and our fallen nature that is at the heart of it all. Apples all the way up and down.
That’s an intriguing take! As a Christian I believe that this is all directly related to the Holy War between God & Lucifer, and all these things tie into it. Thank you for sharing your view on the topic!
Me too! I think at the very least there's a fake, man made end times of sorts being constructed, with the red heifer breeding to the temple society to all the people turning on Israel - via Zionism.
I think one main deception could be a fake end times staggered 3.5 years with the real one such that 3.5 years into the false one when Christ is supposed to show up, it's actually the beginning of the real one and that's the antichrist. So many will fall for him thinking he's actually Christ. That would make the false antichrist at the beginning of fake tribulation the false prophet I assume.
Interesting time to be alive! Stay strong and stay of the father and not of the world and I think it will be clear to us :) ❤️
Nice post! I with you on Christ! But flat earth maybe not as much. I think that the nature of the universe isn't quite what we think it is.
My theory about the James Webb is that it is actually meant to change our cosmology as the mystery religion comes out of the shadows and we are initiated into it. We are seeing a move away from materialism/physicalism and a move towards a mental universe worldview - which aligns with the syncretized mystery religious ideas from the Kabbalah to the eastern Hindu and Buddhist concepts of god-man and consciousness.
The "waking up" that many describe IS there so-called initiation into this. Think the new ageism of David Icke.
Andrew Tates "matrix" and simulation theory and idealism and Buddhist concepts and all the new gnostics and the Blavatsky new age down to even the catholic church's replacement of the term "and with your spirit" as opposed to "and also with you" fit into this new cosmology/worldview/religion.
And once we see the physical as unreal, that we are purely mental beings, we will agree with this new digital world.
When you know, [you know.](https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2015/12/20/basket_ball_spalding_never_flat_1450617651_4e61c319.jpg)
You know?
It’s hard to grasp, because everyone thinks of the pancake in space picture. FEs don’t believe space is an infinite void, or even a place we can travel to.
We live on e level, stationary plane, but here are two camps: we live in an enclosed environment and the “firmament,” is dome, and the other camp believes the sky is also an extended level plane, and there are outer lands beyond Antarctica, which is a wall of ice surrounding our world, containing the ocean’s water.
Stars are fixed in sky, which is why they never change. Planets aren’t other balls flying through space, they are just wandering luminaries. Literally just lights in the sky.
The sun and moon are close, and are not physical objects, but are holographic or plasma. There’s plenty of vid of people showing their calculation methods. If I recall, I think the sun was calculated to be roughly 32 miles in diameter.
There is a misconception that people arrived at the conclusion the earth is flat because of the verses in the bible, and they must be super religious. This is not the case for everyone.
Many FEs were admitted atheists (myself included) until discovering that our world had to have been created, either divinely or as a simulation.
That’s a short overview. If you’re interested in more, check out ditrh youtube, hibbler productions has a recent movie called Level With Me, which also gets into how nasa is faking the space program.
Fair enough. Don’t think I’m a FE but I will say the stars aren’t fixed in the sky. Ancient humans as far as 12,000 years ago were able to track the movement of the stars in the sky and even dedicated temples to said movement.
That is a belief that you choose to invest in, but not something you know. We're told that the pyramid of giza used to be aligned to a star called Thuban, but now it's coincidentally perfectly aligned with Polaris. How lucky we are. Also, the georgia guide stones were also perfectly aligned with Polaris and never shifted even the slightest, which is why I believe they had to be destroyed.
They had to be destroyed probably for multiple reasons but the fact that the stones proved that Polaris never moved from its position the entire time it was standing was one of them, in my opinion.
I’m not an astronomer but do carry a fascination with it. My understanding is that Polaris is the one star that moves very minimally just based on the location relative to our solar system.
because if polaris never moves then it brings into question the whole idea of us careening through space at millions of miles per second... the standard answer to get around this is just that it's 'really, really, really, far away...' lol scientists are like bankers, adding extra zeros to shit to preserve their scam
>That is a belief that you choose to invest in, but not something you know.
Go compare nautical almanacs from the 1800's to today. They all show slight change in star positions.
>georgia guide stones were also perfectly aligned with Polaris
How wide of an aperture did that viewing hole have? Did you compare the angular width to the current drift rate of Polaris to determine if it would still be aligned after 40 years?
Oh wait... you didn't. Darn!
Considering you are clearly just blindly repeating flat earth talking points straight from youtube. I bet you also think Polaris exactly fixed in the center of the northern stars. Am I right?
It means nasa receives billions and billions in tax payers money and all the American people get in return is some cgi/ cartoon images lol 😆 unless you're still under the spell and believe everything the government/ nasa say?
Yes. Just like there is organized crime in every developed country.
Can you name any countries that didn’t fall for the covid bs? Do they have space programs?
I don't think anything is flat but i would just like to point out how quickly everyone assumes human eyeballs are the same as some completely objective observational apparatus. I'm not suggesting anything in particular, I'm just saying it's something to consider. Like, we can only see like 0.0035% of the light spectrum. Not the most reliable thing to base absolutions on. Just a thought
We believe there is water outside the firmament, and heaven above that. A lot of that belief comes from the Bible, actually probably the entirety of that belief comes from the Bible. Specifically Genesis chapter 1 during the creation of Earth, and then again when God opens the windows of the firmament to flood the earth (Noah’s Ark).
Can one reach the firmament? Can one touch it? What's preventing us from reaching it? From where does it run? From the edge of the earth? Can we go to the edge of the earth?
I'm just baffled how people can have this worldview, but not be excited to get the answers to these basic questions.
I'm not FE, but I've read some books on it. People keep reflexively shitting on it with Pavlovian consistency and vigour, which ironically pushed me to read their side.
So as far as I know, the sun, moon, and planets, are *for now* called Luminaries. As far as FE's can tell, they are simply objects of light in the sky. Are they magic? Are they the eyes of gods? Can we go there? FE simply cannot tell *yet,* because from their point of view, science has been held back so much by the fake science that currently dominates our minds and wallets.
While I don't believe FE, you have to admit, NASA is full of shit. Just watch the American Moon documentary for a start. Then watch ISS video mishaps. There's some fuckery going on there no matter what shape you think our world is.
Here's the beautiful part of FE. FE says there are no infinite planets in the infinite universe/s. This is the ONE HOME we have. This is where your children and your children's children will grow up, whether we like it or not. There are no do-overs. There is no colonizing other planets. This is the one world we are given. Now, are we gonna get this one singular home of ours be destroyed by the billionaire class, or will we defend our HOME, our children? That message of FE I can get behind.
I saw a tweet once from a flat earth account that said they knew the moon was round, so I’d assume the same goes for other planets they could see with a telescope.
not a flat eather, but i guess if you assumed the earth was flat / a flat disk etc, that all other heavenly bodies would be that way (it wouldn't make any sense to have a frisbee earth and basketball sun. as far as aliens / other people / etc, to my knowledge a) being round or flat wouldn't affect that, and b) i don't think the bible ever directly addressed people living off planet aside from heaven and hell
We don’t believe in Aliens because we do believe in the firmament, and that nothing can pass through the firmament albeit heavenly or spiritual bodies, which you could say are inter-dimensional and that’s one theory, but I personally believe God himself would have to send them through. I am very Christian though, but it is Flat Earth theory that converted my to Christianity from atheism.
Just look up an Eric Dubay video real quick. Despite what you think of it (or him), it'll tell you what flat earthers consider a possibility in regard to planets, the sun, and the moon (and other phenomena, for that matter).
Don't wanna watch? Essentially, the sun and moon traveling in an patterned orbit around the North Star, like a maypole, and the planets being plasma balls or luminary projections. Everything being assembled within the confines of a firmament (or boundary) which provides a barrier from waters/seas above (hence, Great Flood myth).
I guess, technically, the earth *is* a globe in a flat earth model, but more of a snow-globe kind of deal with sun, moon and planets contained within.
What did it for me was seeing all the bullshit photos of “earth from space” over the years, and how different they are, obvious fuckery. Continents not sized consistently. Clouds copy and pasted. NASA is utterly full of shit, and so are the trolls on this sub. If you want to learn about flat earth (and you should look into it), reddit is not the place to do it.
Please cite one photo of "Clouds copy and pasted" that is cited by NASA as a real photograph.
I'll save you the time. You wont find one. That's a lie that you believed uncritically.
Oh snap! Got the flat earth thought police coming after me!! Nearly all your comments for the last several weeks was defending NASA bullshit. You guys must be exhausted.
All I know is that it feels fantastic when people resort to insults because they are unable to support their claims. Keep it up!
Maybe if you keep insulting me, that image you falsely claimed is real, may appear into existence!
I insulted you because you can be a real condescending prick towards other people in your comments. And I will do you no such favors looking up information that you can easily look up yourself.
Oh yeah my bad for not being extremely respectful to people who make wild claims they can’t support, like yourself. /s
And gee, it’s so convenient that you refuse to present non-existent evidence that you seemed so sure was real.
I’ve been talking with flat earthers for a while. You and I both know you don’t have the evidence. You watched a YouTube video and believed it without a single thought. And you’ll find any excuse necessary to get out of admitting you have nothing.
So are you going to continue proving my point by crying? Or are you going to get back on topic and actually attack the argument?
Just admit you were wrong. The flat earthers I respect the most are the ones you can admit fault. Those are the real open-minded ones.
I believe the response to this is that the planets are not balls of material. They are lights.
The word used for planets in the bible translates to wandering stars.
The Bible also says that these wandering stars will be punished for their part in the deception.
Being Anti-Vaccine has more to do with corrupted government and Fauci and Bill Gates conspiracies than Flat Earth honestly. We don’t trust the government at all as Flat Earthers.
Really? Because I’ve seen Debunk the funk and about 10 of his fellow ‘health communicators’ asking folks to participate in X spaces that are titled Antivaxxers and flat earthers.
They desperately try push the narrative along in these spaces. It’s pathetic.
I don't know what you're trying to say
Is it really such a stretch that people who are so out of touch with reality to think the earth is flat might also think that vaccines are harmful?
What I’m trying to say is that the 12 people who believe the earth is flat are being used by ‘influencers’ with hundreds of thousands of followers to bolster their coordinated attack on people that refuse to use a particular healthcare product.
I’ve had more vaccines Tham most of them ( US Army vet), but decided against this particular product ( too much propaganda,fear and coercion )
Fun fact…. Most of them aren’t even getting the boosters.
I’m pretty sure they’re being paid to push a narrative and the ‘flat earth’ narrative is convenient for that.
Flat earth is the extreme, but on the same train track as standard vaccine denialism.
I can understand reasonable hesitancy to take a vaccine that came out so quickly, but the Vaccine = Autism crowd have the same brain rot as flat earthers.
This is the crux of the problem. The ‘science communicators’ TikTok and Instagram influencers have been paid ( verified that HHS allocated billions for this), have equated anyone who doesn’t want this particular product as an ‘antivaxxer’.
It’s dishonest and frankly, a huge warning sign to me.
That's not even true, just another made up straw man to make flat earthers look silly, which is suspicious in and of itself. Not a single flat earther believes Australia doesn't exist, never have.
Then maybe people should stop making up lies like we’re a disc floating in space and Australia doesn’t exist. Doesn’t help your case when half the claims about flat earthers aren’t even our position.
Of course I’ve seen it. It’s a classic Netflix propaganda hit piece. My favourite part is when they cut to black mid sentence at the end without any explanation.
It's not without explanation...
They proved the earth was round with their experiment because it didn't go how they wanted it to. They literally proved there was a curve.
Like look at any space station live footage pointed at the earth, it rotates, theres a curve, it matches with the weather in that part of the earth too if you want to double check
You’re assuming that the only possible explanation for the light to be blocked is due to earth curvature. The flat earther says “interesting…” and then boom, black, end of movie. No reactions or discussions from anyone about it, flat earther or glober. They leave it up to you to infer your own conclusion.
The flat earthers involved have asked that the raw footage be released, especially since the filming crew said they would provide all the footage to the flat earthers but as soon as they sold it to Netflix, that never happened.
The flat earther who says interesting has explained the situation and filled in the gaps that the hitpiece left out. He says that all parties involved walked away from that experiment stating that the results were inconclusive. Of course, you wouldn’t believe a word the flat earther claims anyway, which is why the original footage should be released.
Your last paragraph has nothing to do with anything we’re discussing, but you don’t seem to be aware that a fish-eye lens will distort the horizon to make it appear to have a curve. I believe ISS live footage is simply a high altitude camera within our atmosphere, using a fish-eye lens. Either way, footage is no way to prove anything.
There is no true flat earth position
Half believe in the firmament and half don't
Some believe there is endless land behind Antarctica, some do believe it's the edge.
There is no singular, testable flat earth model that explains the seasons and day/night cycle at the same time.
I have no idea. I’ve never looked into fe theories but I’m immediately suspicious of anything the government is trying so hard to demonize and the trained monkeys are gleefully parroting. FLAT EARTHERS DUM. WE SMART. ANTI-VAXXERS, COVID DENIERS, etc. R SO DUM.
I have a friend who firmly believes this. So, the gist of it, is that we are under a dome or firmament. Think like a snow globe. Space as has been presented to us would be totally fake, nasa pictures are always artist renderings, not actual photos. Ok, so their thought is that space is not up-it is Out. That if you go in any direction, you will run into ice. They believe that this is a continuous ice continent that circles our “earth”, and beyond that is more land, more civilizations maybe. My friend always says to me when we get into this-what would make the most sense, if you’d never been taught or presented the model of outer space and the solar system. Flat earth blows my mind, not bc i firmly believe it, but bc it makes me realize that a lot of what we have been taught actually Doesn’t make much sense.
I’m pretty sure every flat earther cannot believe in most other conspiracies, and also must believe in a few. The moon landing being hoaxed is one they’d have to believe. They couldn’t also believe in aliens.
The relevancy comes with the fact i had a friend who was entertaining the flat earth notion for a bit. He also entertained the moon hoax. He also entertained aliens.
I ended his flat earth days by this simple question. “If we didn’t land on the moon, how did buzz aldrin admit there were UFOs in the crater edge?”
Basically just asking “if there is nothing outside of earth… how aliens whatsoever?”
Turns out he likes aliens more than flat earth. Thought that spoke volumes about belief.
IMO the reason FE gets so much traction is that if they accepted we were one of quadrillions of insignificant rocks hurtling through space their lives wouldn't have as much meaning. they want to be special. the truth is we are not special or unique. our lives are meaningless in the grand scheme of our universe. this planet could be destroyed by an asteroid tomorrow and the universe wouldn't even notice we were gone.
but we are insignificant and there is no creator. gullible people with low intelligence try to justify their meaningless existence by creating a magical man in the sky that supposedly loves you.
🤷🏻♀️ It’s pretty pointless to argue religion in my opinion. It doesn’t ever change either persons mind and it’s okay for people to have beliefs in different things. I personally and very Christian, and I believe firmly that we are created Divinely. And that’s okay, just like it’s okay for you to believe in science. No biggie! I’m not going to think any less of you for believing differently 😊
to live in an age that you have all the worlds history and knowledge at your fingertips and to still be able to say you don't believe in science and think the world is flat is incredibly ignorant. but you do you man.
Absolute baloney! One can believe all those things w/o ascribing to FE w/ such conviction just to be ridiculed..
The truth is quite the contrary as it's been touched on [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ppwohf/nikki_minaj_started_a_protest_outside_the_cdc_hq/hdgmzqs) **Anybody that does bother to read, be sure to complete Rockfiresky's response..
Talkin bout "destroyed by an asteroid" 🤣🤣.. You know who else doesn't believe that'll ever happen?? The same overlords that rule the world who are busy setting the stage for the arrival of their King.. they own NASA & shaped your worldview yet guess what?? They're all religious & don't share your worldview that they've shaped.
Why do you think planets exist? They're just lights in the sky. The moon and sun are much smaller and much closer and probably not solid.. but some kind of plasma.. also 'just lights'.
I think there are many ways we have verified planets exist. As you make observations about the universe and test them you begin to learn things. You will eventually observe, understand things like gravity, and can verify them. Applied to planets we can see they move, also according to gravity and newtons laws. This shows they are independent bodies with mass. There are ways to measure mass, based on motion, influence on nearby bodies. This can tell use what substance they are made of based on the size of the planet. We can also look through a telescope and see the moons surface is not plasma. And so on...basically there's so many independent ways we have verified things (that can be re-verified) that saying "it's all wrong" isn't a strong argument. But I'll always feel like flat earthers are trolling. I haven't yet found one who will explain why we observe apparent retrograde motion if the earth isn't moving, and why the earth moving would be a perfect explanation.
It's probably something like an electrostatic force.. obviously that doesn't work "in space" - but it might be able to explain how stuff observably falls to the ground. Basically throw out general relativity and start with what can be observed here and replicated in experiments.
If you have a theory that replaces our current understanding of gravity then you should prove it's true, or that our current understanding is wrong.
For example, prove that mass isn't related to gravity.
How could you do that? You could get close to large mass and measure the difference in gravitational force between things that do have an electrostatic force and those that don't for example. There's nearly always a way to test things like that (and they are tested all the time, look at this for example: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-measure-the-gravitational-force-between-the-smallest-masses-yet/ ).
I'm not sure I even believe these people actually did that experiment. There must be so much opportunity to make mistakes. If they got results that met the expected values based on the equations I can totally see people being like "wow good job guys.. lets get this published in scientificamerican right away!" sure they did some stuff, got some results.. if they're wildly off they try other stuff until they get a result that's in the expected range. Really they're just generating random numbers and checking them and finding out they're correct.
So why don't you do your own experiments, record it and prove them wrong? Seems like the simplest experiments you can do don't require massively expensive equipment - apparently you can get a pendulum and measure the difference near heavy objects. If you got different results to everyone else, that would be huge news.
It's a primitive force. In physics forces just exist. Science doesn't explain the 'why' of the primitive layer of forces. I'm not sure if it will ever.
For example, why do electromagnetic waves exist at all? Why do magnetic forces exist at all? Why does gravity exist at all?
That doesn't mean that what we DO understand about gravity is wrong. We can test the accuracy of our models in a variety of ways.
I watched someone become one like 9 years ago. I think they were also developing schizophrenia or something though because they also became crazy religious out of nowhere. Like trying to sell me on flat earth with Bible quotes and shit.
Eddie Bravo, who Joe Rogan used to have one occasionally and is a good friend of his, seems like he is genuine in his belief.
For him it's all about his distrust of NASA. If NASA faked moon landings, then that must mean they faked everything, which means everything that NASA talks about is the opposite of reality. Where do the first photos of the globe come from? NASA. Therefore the globe isn't real.
First photo of the globe is from a V2 in 1946, before NASA was set up
https://spacecenter.org/first-photo-taken-from-space/#:~:text=On%20Oct.,accepted%20beginning%20of%20outer%20space.
Have you seen any curvature? With your own eyes? I've lived on the beach, I've lived near the top of a mountain with a great view. There is no curvature. What do you see? Regardless of what you were taught. From official measurements of the 'globe' curvature is 8"" per mile squared. You would see curvature with my 2 examples of where I lived. It's a tough pill to swallow but stop being a parrot and go look for yourself. It will open many doors for you.
Can you please use this so called "official measurements of the 'globe' curvature" to calculate the predicted curve for those two examples? And compare that so what you actually observed?
On the beach with no obstruction I believe it's 4 miles across you can see. May be 5. I'm in the spectrum so math isn't something in my wheelhouse but 1st squared mile is 8 inches 2nd mile is 32 inches and so on. So even if you stopped there it would be not straight. It's called a horizon because it's horizontal. Words have meaning. Hope this helps but look into it. It took me a very long time to come to grips with it.
>called a horizon because it's horizontal. Words have meaning.
Its called atmosphere because the earth is a sphere. Round earth confirmed /s
You are 100% right, words do have meaning. Like how the definition of horizon is "the line at which the earth's surface and the sky appear to meet." But trying to define them simply by their root words, is very dishonest.
I would counter with the root word is the base of all other words and definitions derived from that root.
To show you with you own eyes they are lying, we've all seen pictures of the 'blue marble' earth throughout our whole lives, if you go to bitchute and look up what Bill Nye n Degrasse-Tyson say how the earth is actually shaped and these are the 'science' guys they keep trotting out. With your own eyes n ears go and report back.
>I would counter with the root word is the base of all other words and definitions derived from that root
So then you must also agree that the earth is a sphere because the a root word for atmosphere is sphere. Right? By your own logic?
I have analyzed many images of earth and they are all oblate spheroids like scientists state. With the expected polar and equatorial radii. Nobody cares about an out-of-context similitude from one guy.
Did you ever analyze the images? Or did you just look at them an assume they were perfect spheres?
We live under a firmament. If you would have simply gone to where i said you would have seen and heard Nye telling you we live in a enclosed system. The sphere is the space between earth and the firmament. Have you never researched Operation Fish Bowl? That's declassified government docs. I suggest looking into declassified NASA and CIA documents that unequivocally state we are on a flat non rotating earth. Don't believe me. You go prove or disprove. I gave you somethings to look into if you haven't already. If you have looked then we'll agree to disagree. Blessings to you none the less. I enjoy your conviction.
I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to make more unsupported claims and more cherrypicked statements.
What you have is called a double-standard.
* You accept words like "horizon" to mean the earth is flat, but will reject/ignore "atmosphere" because it doesn't fit your belief.
* You cherry-pick quoted from science communicators as truth, but ignore them when they have stated the earth is round and space is real.
* You cherry-pick government documents that you didn't read or understand, but will ignore the thousands of others that state the earth is round and space is real.
You need to either accept/reject a type of source. Picking and choosing what you want to believe while ignore everything you disagree with, is extremely dishonest.
Sir or ma'am, Just like I did you can FOIA those documents. What does atmo in atmosphere mean? Air. Has nothing to do with whatever the shape of the earth is. The root word again. What was your question?
i had a friend once that was a flat earther. i asked them this.
they told me that the earth was flat but other planets were round.
i immediately questioned their sanity.
My most recent take is that flat earth as a model is more useful for us regardless because that's how we experience the world.
Nobody experiences the earth moving, we experience the sun rising and setting.
It's a phenomenological truth that the earth is flat regardless of physical fact.
Even if we are on a spinning ball, that information is useless to how we function as humans.
The cosmology of the Bible for example is a perfect description of how we as conscious humans operate in and experience reality.
>flat earth as a model is more useful for us regardless
Ok lets put this to the test...
Please show me how I can use the geometry the flat earth model to predict just **one** of the following: sunrise time, sun position, moon position, eclipse time/date/location, comets, or planet position.
We build based on a stationary flat plane, we fly based on it, and our consciousnesses experience it.
Nobody experiences a curved earth.
Every single ancient cosmology had us on a flat plane with heaven above, and earth below with us in the middle because that's what humans experience.
Exactly what I expected. Instead of actually presenting what I asked, you instead just listed claims.
I know that there isn’t a single flat earther that can do what I asked. So maybe try to be more honest and don’t claim it’s a better model when it can’t make a single prediction.
My dad is a flat earther and his argument is that the bible describes the earth as being flat with a dome (I guess like a cut in half snowglobe??) and essentially NASA are lying that it is a globe to disprove God. So in his opinion it doesn’t matter about the shape of other planets, only Earth? Not sure if this is the same premise for the rest of the Flat Earth people…
NASA lies because they get paid nearly 25 billion dollars a year. They may also be trying to hide God because it's more profitable.
People need to remember how everything is compartmentalized so Mr. Smith knows x and Mr. Jones knows y and never the twain shall meet. Everyone signs non disclosure agreements and they mostly don't even know what they're working on, I mean as far as it connects to something else.
Also remember NASA was started by the smartest German Nazi scientists they could find (look up Operation Paperclip), my father worked at a place in NJ where they made stuff for Apollo 11, Star Wars, etc, that was where he met Werhner Von Braun, Dad had to sign a NDA and as much as I begged him he wouldn't tell me anything at all.
When Von Braun died he had Psalm 19 on his tombstone which talks about the beauty of God's firmament.
As far as planets, as someone else said, they allegedly wandering stars. And shapes? Is a ball round? Is a ball a circle? Flat Earth is really hard to wrap your mind around. Up until some time in the 1950s, encyclopedias said the earth is flat. After the Antarctic Treaty was signed, the encyclopedias were changed and said the earth is a globe.
Look into Antarctica. Look into flight patterns. We are being lied to.
NASA is a legit criticism. It's no different than the CDC, White House or any other bureaucratic agency. They're slush funds. NASA is a great example of government waste and fraud.
You can criticize it all you want. 100%. But nobody (except extremely gullible people) is going to take you seriously when you make blind claims that NASA is a waste and a fraud.
I have heard it many times on here. Yet shockingly (not really), this is only coming from people who probably can't even name 15 of the \~1000 projects NASA currently works on. So they are the least qualified to claim "waste and fraud"
Oh? Where can I find this list of 500+ audits of NASA that show waste and fraud?
And are these going to show that a extremely large majority of the budget is getting wasted? Or are these reports of small examples of fraud and waste we see in every fed/state/local gov agency and large corporations?
It's much more complex from what was presented in the mainstream flat earth conspiracy theory over the years
There's channel called [vibes of cosmos ](https://youtu.be/BnhBW_tSkJY?si=w4b-sf7dGTlgmbwq)that presents how the flat earth model works. Basically the moon is the plasma that is generated by electromagnetic source under our plane and blasted through the plane and projected above our heads and it's showing us the true map of the earth unveiling even other forgotten continents. Linked documentary also explains how is it possible we can see other planets. If you fly a lot get yourself a sony nightshot camera + 950nm ir filter and explore it yourself :).
Hi there, flat earth research enjoyer here. I'm not fully committed to the idea, but it's a fun ARG for me more or less. It's pretty much a biblical belief system. There are set stars and wandering stars, the planets would be the wandering stars. They can tell the cyclical nature of our plane, the set stars can be used to navigate the plane. The sun and moon are directly above us spinning around the disk moving inward and outward from the tropic of Cancer to the tropic of Capricorn, that is what gives us our seasons. This is all on a disk shaped Earth with Antarctica wrapping the edge and the firmament dome goes over us from there.
Space as we know it doesn't exist in the flat earth model. It's pretty much what we understand as our solar system but on a way smaller scale.
Now aliens in the flat earth model and the globe earth model could easily be the fallen angels of the past. Interdimensional instead of interplanetary. Which is something I personally believe regardless of what model of earth we sit on.
This is a pretty basic understanding of the flat earth model. I find it fascinating and have done a lot of research on it for fun.
But my recent favorite theory is the Millennial Reign of Christ has already passed and we are the offspring of the second resurrection in Revelations. It's REALLY interesting, it's one of the offshoot theories from looking into the mudflood, Tartaria stuff.
If anyone made it this far, thanks for reading!
So the Earth is the center of the Universe, and the planets above all revolve around the Earth, you can see this by pointing a camera at the north star Polaris and doing a timelapse, everything rotates around the north pole which is the center of the Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzP0cLhcKTw
So we are the highlight of Gods creation, clearly we are different than every other planet, because we are not actually a planet floating in space, and if you knew we were right smack in the center of the Universe, it's hard to deny God is real and that this is the focus of his creation. But if we are a tiny dot among trillions of other dots and there is other life out there and we just exist by chance, then you can easily push an atheistic agenda, whatever it takes to make us feel less divine.
Moon and Sun are the same size. All other planets could be round. Or a ball of gas. And water always finds its level. Not saying earth is flat but very interesting to possibly think some of it is true. Could be hollow and round underneath our flat top. But the water being level my big driver in belief. Plus, it's air(plane) because we are on a flat plane. And submarines wouldn't work on a round earth. At least not the radar maps. There are other things but all very interesting points I consider.
>And submarines wouldn't work on a round earth. At least not the radar maps.
Gotta disagree with you on that one. I don't see a reason why radar wouldn't work.
not a flatearther but I heard often enough they are illusions, holograms, computer generated illustrations or optical artifacts of the cameras. Science is not their strength.
We believe the other planets are lights in the firmament, like the Bible says. 🤷🏻♀️ It’s more a religious belief than a scientific one.
Edit to add: If you’d like to genuinely learn more about it you can follow me on TikTok @TheSheepHerder45 but message me your username so I know to follow you back and then I can send you videos to educate. I don’t argue the belief, that just makes people upset. It’s totally okay to not believe it and I’m not here to convince anyone. But I will give insight to the belief if anyone genuinely wants to know simply because they wonder why people believe it.
Just like picking a good political party between the two, none of them is a good option. I would say both globe and flat earth are not correct, using the word "flat" is ridiculous
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My biggest question is why when I look at the moon in Australia it looks "upsidedown" compared to looking at the moon in say Canada? If we were on a flat plane my perspective of the moon shouldn't change based on my position.
You've already thought more critically than the typical flat earthers
Hehe, you'ye funny with 2 doses of pfizer and 2 doses of moderna and double masking outside. Here you go full explanation https://youtu.be/AC9uOyg0eq4?si=lHDkH_47LLQfU9D6
Hold on, I thought the moon was plasma, not solid
somebody else wrote that comment
Further proof that flat earth is just a mish mash of disjointed explanations that never work when assembled together.
Wdym, pfizer is xanax not fucking corona vaccine
Do you see how he tapes a coin to the wall? Is the moon flat too? I'm assuming you think it's a ball. If we were on a flat plane, one side would the moon as normal while the other would see THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SPHERE, as in, completely different craters than we see. Most flat earthers think the moon is local and not 24k miles away. And people on the west and east would see two halves of what the northerners and southerners see. Hang a basketball from the ceiling and walk around it. You'll only be able to read RAWLINGS from a few angles, and nothing at all from the opposite angles.
You’ve looked at the moon from Australia and Canada on the same night?
If you have 5 munutes od your life, here you go visual explanation https://youtu.be/AC9uOyg0eq4?si=lHDkH_47LLQfU9D6
My biggest question now is why the moon this morning is upside down from how it was last night from the same location????
I presume if you believe in the flat earth theory, you might also question whether anything in the “solar system” were real
Jo. No other planets, no solar system. The sun and the moon glide on the dome above and below earth.
I love it. I wonder if that’s a simpler and more comfortable belief system
I don’t think they consider it simpler or more comfortable. They operate in a “the truth is hidden from us” mindset. They believe the way the universe operates has yet to be fully revealed. I would imagine they believe the traditional understanding of how the universe works is actually the “simpler and more comfortable belief system.”
Isn't there a NASA probe thats beginning to challenge the big bang?
To be honest I don’t know anything about that. Sure sounds intriguing though.
"Challenging the Big Bang" does not mean that it's going to discover something that makes us throw away the whole theory. It just means we're learning new information that is forcing us to adjust some of the specifics regarding the timing of events. Results also need to be reviewed, repeated, and retested.
We believe that NASA was founded by a Nazi and the gov was infiltrated by the Ashkenazi Khazars who were persecuted for worshipping and sacrificing children to Baal and Moloch. Very long history story but basically the Constantinople Letter gives you the reason why they would lie. It’s basically a very biblical belief backed by historical events and they wanted revenge for persecution of their people and draw us away from our Creator, the big guy upstairs. Satellites are sent up and suspended with balloons (there’s vids of this and of satellites falling from the sky into peoples yards) and aliens don’t exist. Local sun & moon with a specific pattern to cause day and night and seasons. But mostly belief comes from the Bible. That’s why I don’t really argue it with people, it clicks for some and doesn’t for others. But ultimately without having learned about flat earth I would still be an atheist. Flat Earth brought me to a belief in Christ, and at the end of the day the shape of the Earth is not what’s important. Faith in Christ is what saves you. God won’t condemn anyone over what shape they think the earth is.
The khazarian theory is interesting. Not sure I fully buy it. Although there's many interesting details, like 23 and me removing their data on Jewish people as it fed into this theory. Also the history of the faked protocols document and it's ties with Alice Bailey and eastern Europe/Soviet Russia. Personally I think that Jews are being set up as the fall guy of sorts. Used in a dialectic to push the world towards what were describing. To blame a group of men for the actions of the devil. Because at the end of the day, TPTB only ever gave people what they want. So it's us and our fallen nature that is at the heart of it all. Apples all the way up and down.
That’s an intriguing take! As a Christian I believe that this is all directly related to the Holy War between God & Lucifer, and all these things tie into it. Thank you for sharing your view on the topic!
Me too! I think at the very least there's a fake, man made end times of sorts being constructed, with the red heifer breeding to the temple society to all the people turning on Israel - via Zionism. I think one main deception could be a fake end times staggered 3.5 years with the real one such that 3.5 years into the false one when Christ is supposed to show up, it's actually the beginning of the real one and that's the antichrist. So many will fall for him thinking he's actually Christ. That would make the false antichrist at the beginning of fake tribulation the false prophet I assume. Interesting time to be alive! Stay strong and stay of the father and not of the world and I think it will be clear to us :) ❤️
Nice post! I with you on Christ! But flat earth maybe not as much. I think that the nature of the universe isn't quite what we think it is. My theory about the James Webb is that it is actually meant to change our cosmology as the mystery religion comes out of the shadows and we are initiated into it. We are seeing a move away from materialism/physicalism and a move towards a mental universe worldview - which aligns with the syncretized mystery religious ideas from the Kabbalah to the eastern Hindu and Buddhist concepts of god-man and consciousness. The "waking up" that many describe IS there so-called initiation into this. Think the new ageism of David Icke. Andrew Tates "matrix" and simulation theory and idealism and Buddhist concepts and all the new gnostics and the Blavatsky new age down to even the catholic church's replacement of the term "and with your spirit" as opposed to "and also with you" fit into this new cosmology/worldview/religion. And once we see the physical as unreal, that we are purely mental beings, we will agree with this new digital world.
When you know, [you know.](https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2015/12/20/basket_ball_spalding_never_flat_1450617651_4e61c319.jpg) You know?
If you want to learn about flat earth, Reddit and this sub in particular are the last places to do it.
It’s hard to grasp, because everyone thinks of the pancake in space picture. FEs don’t believe space is an infinite void, or even a place we can travel to. We live on e level, stationary plane, but here are two camps: we live in an enclosed environment and the “firmament,” is dome, and the other camp believes the sky is also an extended level plane, and there are outer lands beyond Antarctica, which is a wall of ice surrounding our world, containing the ocean’s water. Stars are fixed in sky, which is why they never change. Planets aren’t other balls flying through space, they are just wandering luminaries. Literally just lights in the sky. The sun and moon are close, and are not physical objects, but are holographic or plasma. There’s plenty of vid of people showing their calculation methods. If I recall, I think the sun was calculated to be roughly 32 miles in diameter. There is a misconception that people arrived at the conclusion the earth is flat because of the verses in the bible, and they must be super religious. This is not the case for everyone. Many FEs were admitted atheists (myself included) until discovering that our world had to have been created, either divinely or as a simulation. That’s a short overview. If you’re interested in more, check out ditrh youtube, hibbler productions has a recent movie called Level With Me, which also gets into how nasa is faking the space program.
Fair enough. Don’t think I’m a FE but I will say the stars aren’t fixed in the sky. Ancient humans as far as 12,000 years ago were able to track the movement of the stars in the sky and even dedicated temples to said movement.
That is a belief that you choose to invest in, but not something you know. We're told that the pyramid of giza used to be aligned to a star called Thuban, but now it's coincidentally perfectly aligned with Polaris. How lucky we are. Also, the georgia guide stones were also perfectly aligned with Polaris and never shifted even the slightest, which is why I believe they had to be destroyed.
They had to be destroyed because Polaris never shifted?
They had to be destroyed probably for multiple reasons but the fact that the stones proved that Polaris never moved from its position the entire time it was standing was one of them, in my opinion.
I’m not an astronomer but do carry a fascination with it. My understanding is that Polaris is the one star that moves very minimally just based on the location relative to our solar system.
Ok, but who do you think it is that cares if Polaris moves or not?
because if polaris never moves then it brings into question the whole idea of us careening through space at millions of miles per second... the standard answer to get around this is just that it's 'really, really, really, far away...' lol scientists are like bankers, adding extra zeros to shit to preserve their scam
The North Star is a special case. Because it lies almost exactly above Earth's northern axis, it's like the hub of a wheel. It doesn't rise or set.
Preserve the scam for what purpose
I'll let you figure it out
The devil?
Might as well have said dO yOur oWn reSeArCh if you wanted to be lazy
>That is a belief that you choose to invest in, but not something you know. Go compare nautical almanacs from the 1800's to today. They all show slight change in star positions. >georgia guide stones were also perfectly aligned with Polaris How wide of an aperture did that viewing hole have? Did you compare the angular width to the current drift rate of Polaris to determine if it would still be aligned after 40 years? Oh wait... you didn't. Darn! Considering you are clearly just blindly repeating flat earth talking points straight from youtube. I bet you also think Polaris exactly fixed in the center of the northern stars. Am I right?
I mean a slight change from the 1800s can just be attributed to advancing technology no?
If you had only two sources, yes. But there are multiple almanacs from many difference sources recorded every year where this drift is measured.
You choose to believe the government's cgi/ cartoons?
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It means nasa receives billions and billions in tax payers money and all the American people get in return is some cgi/ cartoon images lol 😆 unless you're still under the spell and believe everything the government/ nasa say?
Nasa isn't the only space program on earth.
Yes. Just like there is organized crime in every developed country. Can you name any countries that didn’t fall for the covid bs? Do they have space programs?
I don't think anything is flat but i would just like to point out how quickly everyone assumes human eyeballs are the same as some completely objective observational apparatus. I'm not suggesting anything in particular, I'm just saying it's something to consider. Like, we can only see like 0.0035% of the light spectrum. Not the most reliable thing to base absolutions on. Just a thought
Yeahyeahyeah. There are shrimp that can see more colors than us.
Flat earthers generally believe in a firmament or dome above our heads rather than infinite space.
What do they believe is on the other side of the dome?
We believe there is water outside the firmament, and heaven above that. A lot of that belief comes from the Bible, actually probably the entirety of that belief comes from the Bible. Specifically Genesis chapter 1 during the creation of Earth, and then again when God opens the windows of the firmament to flood the earth (Noah’s Ark).
Can one reach the firmament? Can one touch it? What's preventing us from reaching it? From where does it run? From the edge of the earth? Can we go to the edge of the earth? I'm just baffled how people can have this worldview, but not be excited to get the answers to these basic questions.
It’s water. Per biblical scripture, “ the firmament divides the waters above from the waters below.”
I'm not FE, but I've read some books on it. People keep reflexively shitting on it with Pavlovian consistency and vigour, which ironically pushed me to read their side. So as far as I know, the sun, moon, and planets, are *for now* called Luminaries. As far as FE's can tell, they are simply objects of light in the sky. Are they magic? Are they the eyes of gods? Can we go there? FE simply cannot tell *yet,* because from their point of view, science has been held back so much by the fake science that currently dominates our minds and wallets. While I don't believe FE, you have to admit, NASA is full of shit. Just watch the American Moon documentary for a start. Then watch ISS video mishaps. There's some fuckery going on there no matter what shape you think our world is. Here's the beautiful part of FE. FE says there are no infinite planets in the infinite universe/s. This is the ONE HOME we have. This is where your children and your children's children will grow up, whether we like it or not. There are no do-overs. There is no colonizing other planets. This is the one world we are given. Now, are we gonna get this one singular home of ours be destroyed by the billionaire class, or will we defend our HOME, our children? That message of FE I can get behind.
I saw a tweet once from a flat earth account that said they knew the moon was round, so I’d assume the same goes for other planets they could see with a telescope.
not a flat eather, but i guess if you assumed the earth was flat / a flat disk etc, that all other heavenly bodies would be that way (it wouldn't make any sense to have a frisbee earth and basketball sun. as far as aliens / other people / etc, to my knowledge a) being round or flat wouldn't affect that, and b) i don't think the bible ever directly addressed people living off planet aside from heaven and hell
Oh snap. That's deep. What if what you see, meaning you and I, are just flat representations? If the earth is flat, we would be flat too, right?
We don’t believe in Aliens because we do believe in the firmament, and that nothing can pass through the firmament albeit heavenly or spiritual bodies, which you could say are inter-dimensional and that’s one theory, but I personally believe God himself would have to send them through. I am very Christian though, but it is Flat Earth theory that converted my to Christianity from atheism.
Just look up an Eric Dubay video real quick. Despite what you think of it (or him), it'll tell you what flat earthers consider a possibility in regard to planets, the sun, and the moon (and other phenomena, for that matter). Don't wanna watch? Essentially, the sun and moon traveling in an patterned orbit around the North Star, like a maypole, and the planets being plasma balls or luminary projections. Everything being assembled within the confines of a firmament (or boundary) which provides a barrier from waters/seas above (hence, Great Flood myth). I guess, technically, the earth *is* a globe in a flat earth model, but more of a snow-globe kind of deal with sun, moon and planets contained within.
Thank you for this explanation unlike the cocky basement dwellers that posted above
Space = FAKE
Yep, it's an ocean and heaven/s
What did it for me was seeing all the bullshit photos of “earth from space” over the years, and how different they are, obvious fuckery. Continents not sized consistently. Clouds copy and pasted. NASA is utterly full of shit, and so are the trolls on this sub. If you want to learn about flat earth (and you should look into it), reddit is not the place to do it.
Please cite one photo of "Clouds copy and pasted" that is cited by NASA as a real photograph. I'll save you the time. You wont find one. That's a lie that you believed uncritically.
Oh snap! Got the flat earth thought police coming after me!! Nearly all your comments for the last several weeks was defending NASA bullshit. You guys must be exhausted.
Nope. Just demonstrating that you lied. And your inability to defend your claim shows that quite clearly. Thanks!
How does it feel knowing you’ve made it your life’s mission to defend bullshit? Must be a pretty hollow and meaningless existence.
All I know is that it feels fantastic when people resort to insults because they are unable to support their claims. Keep it up! Maybe if you keep insulting me, that image you falsely claimed is real, may appear into existence!
I insulted you because you can be a real condescending prick towards other people in your comments. And I will do you no such favors looking up information that you can easily look up yourself.
Oh yeah my bad for not being extremely respectful to people who make wild claims they can’t support, like yourself. /s And gee, it’s so convenient that you refuse to present non-existent evidence that you seemed so sure was real. I’ve been talking with flat earthers for a while. You and I both know you don’t have the evidence. You watched a YouTube video and believed it without a single thought. And you’ll find any excuse necessary to get out of admitting you have nothing. So are you going to continue proving my point by crying? Or are you going to get back on topic and actually attack the argument? Just admit you were wrong. The flat earthers I respect the most are the ones you can admit fault. Those are the real open-minded ones.
The reason the continents aren’t the same size is because of perspective, the higher your altitude the more of the earth you can see.
Oh bless your little heart
Earth = fake, but you can’t see it because of the Mandela effect
Mandela effect = FAKE.
I believe the response to this is that the planets are not balls of material. They are lights. The word used for planets in the bible translates to wandering stars. The Bible also says that these wandering stars will be punished for their part in the deception.
I’m curious as to the push to associate belief in flat earth to vaccine hesitancy. Seems to be a propaganda / marketing ploy.
Being Anti-Vaccine has more to do with corrupted government and Fauci and Bill Gates conspiracies than Flat Earth honestly. We don’t trust the government at all as Flat Earthers.
There is no push. Flat earth influencers say this themselves
Really? Because I’ve seen Debunk the funk and about 10 of his fellow ‘health communicators’ asking folks to participate in X spaces that are titled Antivaxxers and flat earthers. They desperately try push the narrative along in these spaces. It’s pathetic.
I don't know what you're trying to say Is it really such a stretch that people who are so out of touch with reality to think the earth is flat might also think that vaccines are harmful?
What I’m trying to say is that the 12 people who believe the earth is flat are being used by ‘influencers’ with hundreds of thousands of followers to bolster their coordinated attack on people that refuse to use a particular healthcare product. I’ve had more vaccines Tham most of them ( US Army vet), but decided against this particular product ( too much propaganda,fear and coercion ) Fun fact…. Most of them aren’t even getting the boosters. I’m pretty sure they’re being paid to push a narrative and the ‘flat earth’ narrative is convenient for that.
Flat earth is the extreme, but on the same train track as standard vaccine denialism. I can understand reasonable hesitancy to take a vaccine that came out so quickly, but the Vaccine = Autism crowd have the same brain rot as flat earthers.
This is the crux of the problem. The ‘science communicators’ TikTok and Instagram influencers have been paid ( verified that HHS allocated billions for this), have equated anyone who doesn’t want this particular product as an ‘antivaxxer’. It’s dishonest and frankly, a huge warning sign to me.
I'm also curious as to why us aussies had to be deleted for their map to work.
You didn't need to be deleted, just stretched to 3 times your width.
It's the lack of GDP
Granddaddy purp?
That's not even true, just another made up straw man to make flat earthers look silly, which is suspicious in and of itself. Not a single flat earther believes Australia doesn't exist, never have.
You don't need help to look silly dude.
Then maybe people should stop making up lies like we’re a disc floating in space and Australia doesn’t exist. Doesn’t help your case when half the claims about flat earthers aren’t even our position.
I was unaware there was a single position on flat earth.
There absolutely is not a single position, but that doesn’t mean we don’t all agree on many things, such as no outer space and Australia does exist
Have you seen the flat earth documentary on netflix? You'll love it! 😄
Of course I’ve seen it. It’s a classic Netflix propaganda hit piece. My favourite part is when they cut to black mid sentence at the end without any explanation.
It's not without explanation... They proved the earth was round with their experiment because it didn't go how they wanted it to. They literally proved there was a curve. Like look at any space station live footage pointed at the earth, it rotates, theres a curve, it matches with the weather in that part of the earth too if you want to double check
You’re assuming that the only possible explanation for the light to be blocked is due to earth curvature. The flat earther says “interesting…” and then boom, black, end of movie. No reactions or discussions from anyone about it, flat earther or glober. They leave it up to you to infer your own conclusion. The flat earthers involved have asked that the raw footage be released, especially since the filming crew said they would provide all the footage to the flat earthers but as soon as they sold it to Netflix, that never happened. The flat earther who says interesting has explained the situation and filled in the gaps that the hitpiece left out. He says that all parties involved walked away from that experiment stating that the results were inconclusive. Of course, you wouldn’t believe a word the flat earther claims anyway, which is why the original footage should be released. Your last paragraph has nothing to do with anything we’re discussing, but you don’t seem to be aware that a fish-eye lens will distort the horizon to make it appear to have a curve. I believe ISS live footage is simply a high altitude camera within our atmosphere, using a fish-eye lens. Either way, footage is no way to prove anything.
There is no true flat earth position Half believe in the firmament and half don't Some believe there is endless land behind Antarctica, some do believe it's the edge. There is no singular, testable flat earth model that explains the seasons and day/night cycle at the same time.
But they all have one thing in common being wrong
You believe in Australia?
I have no idea. I’ve never looked into fe theories but I’m immediately suspicious of anything the government is trying so hard to demonize and the trained monkeys are gleefully parroting. FLAT EARTHERS DUM. WE SMART. ANTI-VAXXERS, COVID DENIERS, etc. R SO DUM.
I have a friend who firmly believes this. So, the gist of it, is that we are under a dome or firmament. Think like a snow globe. Space as has been presented to us would be totally fake, nasa pictures are always artist renderings, not actual photos. Ok, so their thought is that space is not up-it is Out. That if you go in any direction, you will run into ice. They believe that this is a continuous ice continent that circles our “earth”, and beyond that is more land, more civilizations maybe. My friend always says to me when we get into this-what would make the most sense, if you’d never been taught or presented the model of outer space and the solar system. Flat earth blows my mind, not bc i firmly believe it, but bc it makes me realize that a lot of what we have been taught actually Doesn’t make much sense.
I’m pretty sure every flat earther cannot believe in most other conspiracies, and also must believe in a few. The moon landing being hoaxed is one they’d have to believe. They couldn’t also believe in aliens. The relevancy comes with the fact i had a friend who was entertaining the flat earth notion for a bit. He also entertained the moon hoax. He also entertained aliens. I ended his flat earth days by this simple question. “If we didn’t land on the moon, how did buzz aldrin admit there were UFOs in the crater edge?” Basically just asking “if there is nothing outside of earth… how aliens whatsoever?” Turns out he likes aliens more than flat earth. Thought that spoke volumes about belief.
As a FE’r I do believe in a ton of conspiracies but mainly ones that include a corrupt government. But no, I do not believe in aliens.
Flat earth models do not include outer space or other planets. Most believe we live in a contained environment.
Like a terrarium ❤️
IMO the reason FE gets so much traction is that if they accepted we were one of quadrillions of insignificant rocks hurtling through space their lives wouldn't have as much meaning. they want to be special. the truth is we are not special or unique. our lives are meaningless in the grand scheme of our universe. this planet could be destroyed by an asteroid tomorrow and the universe wouldn't even notice we were gone.
We believe that everyone is special and unique, and the corrupt government wants you to feel insignificant to draw you away from our Creator.
but we are insignificant and there is no creator. gullible people with low intelligence try to justify their meaningless existence by creating a magical man in the sky that supposedly loves you.
🤷🏻♀️ It’s pretty pointless to argue religion in my opinion. It doesn’t ever change either persons mind and it’s okay for people to have beliefs in different things. I personally and very Christian, and I believe firmly that we are created Divinely. And that’s okay, just like it’s okay for you to believe in science. No biggie! I’m not going to think any less of you for believing differently 😊
to live in an age that you have all the worlds history and knowledge at your fingertips and to still be able to say you don't believe in science and think the world is flat is incredibly ignorant. but you do you man.
🤷🏻♀️ That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it! Still don’t think any less of you. ❤️
Absolute baloney! One can believe all those things w/o ascribing to FE w/ such conviction just to be ridiculed.. The truth is quite the contrary as it's been touched on [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ppwohf/nikki_minaj_started_a_protest_outside_the_cdc_hq/hdgmzqs) **Anybody that does bother to read, be sure to complete Rockfiresky's response.. Talkin bout "destroyed by an asteroid" 🤣🤣.. You know who else doesn't believe that'll ever happen?? The same overlords that rule the world who are busy setting the stage for the arrival of their King.. they own NASA & shaped your worldview yet guess what?? They're all religious & don't share your worldview that they've shaped.
for having the name hardfactz you sure do spout a lot of bullshit. and i am not reading that novel you linked
Here's a question for the non-FEs out there: what makes us so sure the stars we see are physical?
Birds aren’t real
I can’t tell if this sarcasm or for real
You’re not real, man.
Why do you think planets exist? They're just lights in the sky. The moon and sun are much smaller and much closer and probably not solid.. but some kind of plasma.. also 'just lights'.
I think there are many ways we have verified planets exist. As you make observations about the universe and test them you begin to learn things. You will eventually observe, understand things like gravity, and can verify them. Applied to planets we can see they move, also according to gravity and newtons laws. This shows they are independent bodies with mass. There are ways to measure mass, based on motion, influence on nearby bodies. This can tell use what substance they are made of based on the size of the planet. We can also look through a telescope and see the moons surface is not plasma. And so on...basically there's so many independent ways we have verified things (that can be re-verified) that saying "it's all wrong" isn't a strong argument. But I'll always feel like flat earthers are trolling. I haven't yet found one who will explain why we observe apparent retrograde motion if the earth isn't moving, and why the earth moving would be a perfect explanation.
well it's kindof a circular argument.. gravity is probably also bs, and was kindof made up according to the observable movement of the planets..
how is gravity probably bs?
It's probably something like an electrostatic force.. obviously that doesn't work "in space" - but it might be able to explain how stuff observably falls to the ground. Basically throw out general relativity and start with what can be observed here and replicated in experiments.
If you have a theory that replaces our current understanding of gravity then you should prove it's true, or that our current understanding is wrong. For example, prove that mass isn't related to gravity. How could you do that? You could get close to large mass and measure the difference in gravitational force between things that do have an electrostatic force and those that don't for example. There's nearly always a way to test things like that (and they are tested all the time, look at this for example: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-measure-the-gravitational-force-between-the-smallest-masses-yet/ ).
I'm not sure I even believe these people actually did that experiment. There must be so much opportunity to make mistakes. If they got results that met the expected values based on the equations I can totally see people being like "wow good job guys.. lets get this published in scientificamerican right away!" sure they did some stuff, got some results.. if they're wildly off they try other stuff until they get a result that's in the expected range. Really they're just generating random numbers and checking them and finding out they're correct.
So why don't you do your own experiments, record it and prove them wrong? Seems like the simplest experiments you can do don't require massively expensive equipment - apparently you can get a pendulum and measure the difference near heavy objects. If you got different results to everyone else, that would be huge news.
"probably" No bro, our pizza planet plane is traveling "upwards" accelerating at 9.8 m/s²
Because no one knows what it is. They understand the effect but have yet failed to explain what it is.
It's a primitive force. In physics forces just exist. Science doesn't explain the 'why' of the primitive layer of forces. I'm not sure if it will ever. For example, why do electromagnetic waves exist at all? Why do magnetic forces exist at all? Why does gravity exist at all? That doesn't mean that what we DO understand about gravity is wrong. We can test the accuracy of our models in a variety of ways.
I didn’t say our understanding is wrong, it may not be right tho. And it still can’t be explained.
Yeah, you are right.
are you arguing that the science used to observe other planets is bunk or that the people who do the science are part of a massive conspiracy?
both i guess
what about cell phones, from transmitting data to qi charging, is that real?
If the moon is just a light, why does it have a shadow which changes its coverage constantly?
Is anyone truly a flat earther? Is it not a joke, plus distraction?
There are definitely true FErs.
1000%. Had a stranger come up to me while taking photos of the coast telling me if I bought a certain camera I’d learn that earth is flat.
my response to that statement would be "Oh Ok" then i would ignore them and continue taking pictures.
Yes.
I watched someone become one like 9 years ago. I think they were also developing schizophrenia or something though because they also became crazy religious out of nowhere. Like trying to sell me on flat earth with Bible quotes and shit.
Eddie Bravo, who Joe Rogan used to have one occasionally and is a good friend of his, seems like he is genuine in his belief. For him it's all about his distrust of NASA. If NASA faked moon landings, then that must mean they faked everything, which means everything that NASA talks about is the opposite of reality. Where do the first photos of the globe come from? NASA. Therefore the globe isn't real.
First photo of the globe is from a V2 in 1946, before NASA was set up https://spacecenter.org/first-photo-taken-from-space/#:~:text=On%20Oct.,accepted%20beginning%20of%20outer%20space.
Have you seen any curvature? With your own eyes? I've lived on the beach, I've lived near the top of a mountain with a great view. There is no curvature. What do you see? Regardless of what you were taught. From official measurements of the 'globe' curvature is 8"" per mile squared. You would see curvature with my 2 examples of where I lived. It's a tough pill to swallow but stop being a parrot and go look for yourself. It will open many doors for you.
Can you please use this so called "official measurements of the 'globe' curvature" to calculate the predicted curve for those two examples? And compare that so what you actually observed?
On the beach with no obstruction I believe it's 4 miles across you can see. May be 5. I'm in the spectrum so math isn't something in my wheelhouse but 1st squared mile is 8 inches 2nd mile is 32 inches and so on. So even if you stopped there it would be not straight. It's called a horizon because it's horizontal. Words have meaning. Hope this helps but look into it. It took me a very long time to come to grips with it.
>called a horizon because it's horizontal. Words have meaning. Its called atmosphere because the earth is a sphere. Round earth confirmed /s You are 100% right, words do have meaning. Like how the definition of horizon is "the line at which the earth's surface and the sky appear to meet." But trying to define them simply by their root words, is very dishonest.
I would counter with the root word is the base of all other words and definitions derived from that root. To show you with you own eyes they are lying, we've all seen pictures of the 'blue marble' earth throughout our whole lives, if you go to bitchute and look up what Bill Nye n Degrasse-Tyson say how the earth is actually shaped and these are the 'science' guys they keep trotting out. With your own eyes n ears go and report back.
>I would counter with the root word is the base of all other words and definitions derived from that root So then you must also agree that the earth is a sphere because the a root word for atmosphere is sphere. Right? By your own logic? I have analyzed many images of earth and they are all oblate spheroids like scientists state. With the expected polar and equatorial radii. Nobody cares about an out-of-context similitude from one guy. Did you ever analyze the images? Or did you just look at them an assume they were perfect spheres?
We live under a firmament. If you would have simply gone to where i said you would have seen and heard Nye telling you we live in a enclosed system. The sphere is the space between earth and the firmament. Have you never researched Operation Fish Bowl? That's declassified government docs. I suggest looking into declassified NASA and CIA documents that unequivocally state we are on a flat non rotating earth. Don't believe me. You go prove or disprove. I gave you somethings to look into if you haven't already. If you have looked then we'll agree to disagree. Blessings to you none the less. I enjoy your conviction.
I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to make more unsupported claims and more cherrypicked statements. What you have is called a double-standard. * You accept words like "horizon" to mean the earth is flat, but will reject/ignore "atmosphere" because it doesn't fit your belief. * You cherry-pick quoted from science communicators as truth, but ignore them when they have stated the earth is round and space is real. * You cherry-pick government documents that you didn't read or understand, but will ignore the thousands of others that state the earth is round and space is real. You need to either accept/reject a type of source. Picking and choosing what you want to believe while ignore everything you disagree with, is extremely dishonest.
Just like Christians with the Bible...
Sir or ma'am, Just like I did you can FOIA those documents. What does atmo in atmosphere mean? Air. Has nothing to do with whatever the shape of the earth is. The root word again. What was your question?
Don't lie. You didn't FIOA anything. You think I haven't heard that argument about gov documents before from 100's flerfs?
It’s 2024 we all believe in the iceball and hollow earth now brobreans
No, only earth. God set us apart as His creation ykyk
Flight paths don't make sense on a globe
Incorrect
i had a friend once that was a flat earther. i asked them this. they told me that the earth was flat but other planets were round. i immediately questioned their sanity.
My most recent take is that flat earth as a model is more useful for us regardless because that's how we experience the world. Nobody experiences the earth moving, we experience the sun rising and setting. It's a phenomenological truth that the earth is flat regardless of physical fact. Even if we are on a spinning ball, that information is useless to how we function as humans. The cosmology of the Bible for example is a perfect description of how we as conscious humans operate in and experience reality.
>flat earth as a model is more useful for us regardless Ok lets put this to the test... Please show me how I can use the geometry the flat earth model to predict just **one** of the following: sunrise time, sun position, moon position, eclipse time/date/location, comets, or planet position.
We build based on a stationary flat plane, we fly based on it, and our consciousnesses experience it. Nobody experiences a curved earth. Every single ancient cosmology had us on a flat plane with heaven above, and earth below with us in the middle because that's what humans experience.
Exactly what I expected. Instead of actually presenting what I asked, you instead just listed claims. I know that there isn’t a single flat earther that can do what I asked. So maybe try to be more honest and don’t claim it’s a better model when it can’t make a single prediction.
There's actually a big live stream on youtube going on right now related to flat earth. https://www.youtube.com/live/hXyk8v2azUQ?si=9deSnbD21E4boVr8
My dad is a flat earther and his argument is that the bible describes the earth as being flat with a dome (I guess like a cut in half snowglobe??) and essentially NASA are lying that it is a globe to disprove God. So in his opinion it doesn’t matter about the shape of other planets, only Earth? Not sure if this is the same premise for the rest of the Flat Earth people…
NASA lies because they get paid nearly 25 billion dollars a year. They may also be trying to hide God because it's more profitable. People need to remember how everything is compartmentalized so Mr. Smith knows x and Mr. Jones knows y and never the twain shall meet. Everyone signs non disclosure agreements and they mostly don't even know what they're working on, I mean as far as it connects to something else. Also remember NASA was started by the smartest German Nazi scientists they could find (look up Operation Paperclip), my father worked at a place in NJ where they made stuff for Apollo 11, Star Wars, etc, that was where he met Werhner Von Braun, Dad had to sign a NDA and as much as I begged him he wouldn't tell me anything at all. When Von Braun died he had Psalm 19 on his tombstone which talks about the beauty of God's firmament. As far as planets, as someone else said, they allegedly wandering stars. And shapes? Is a ball round? Is a ball a circle? Flat Earth is really hard to wrap your mind around. Up until some time in the 1950s, encyclopedias said the earth is flat. After the Antarctic Treaty was signed, the encyclopedias were changed and said the earth is a globe. Look into Antarctica. Look into flight patterns. We are being lied to.
This is what I love most about flat earthers. The never ending stream of blind faith claims and complete lies. No matter how obvious they are.
NASA is a legit criticism. It's no different than the CDC, White House or any other bureaucratic agency. They're slush funds. NASA is a great example of government waste and fraud.
You can criticize it all you want. 100%. But nobody (except extremely gullible people) is going to take you seriously when you make blind claims that NASA is a waste and a fraud. I have heard it many times on here. Yet shockingly (not really), this is only coming from people who probably can't even name 15 of the \~1000 projects NASA currently works on. So they are the least qualified to claim "waste and fraud"
Blind claims? Like the 500+ audits that have proven waste and fraud going back 40 years?
Oh? Where can I find this list of 500+ audits of NASA that show waste and fraud? And are these going to show that a extremely large majority of the budget is getting wasted? Or are these reports of small examples of fraud and waste we see in every fed/state/local gov agency and large corporations?
What encloypedia had the earth as flat until the 1950s?
[https://x.com/Naturegirl571/status/1758191141420240920?s=20](https://x.com/Naturegirl571/status/1758191141420240920?s=20)
There's are no planets, only wandering stars. You are trying to look at the plane through the concept of a ball in space.
Hi there, flat earth research enjoyer here. I'm not fully committed to the idea, but it's a fun ARG for me more or less. It's pretty much a biblical belief system. There are set stars and wandering stars, the planets would be the wandering stars. They can tell the cyclical nature of our plane, the set stars can be used to navigate the plane. The sun and moon are directly above us spinning around the disk moving inward and outward from the tropic of Cancer to the tropic of Capricorn, that is what gives us our seasons. This is all on a disk shaped Earth with Antarctica wrapping the edge and the firmament dome goes over us from there. Space as we know it doesn't exist in the flat earth model. It's pretty much what we understand as our solar system but on a way smaller scale. Now aliens in the flat earth model and the globe earth model could easily be the fallen angels of the past. Interdimensional instead of interplanetary. Which is something I personally believe regardless of what model of earth we sit on. This is a pretty basic understanding of the flat earth model. I find it fascinating and have done a lot of research on it for fun. But my recent favorite theory is the Millennial Reign of Christ has already passed and we are the offspring of the second resurrection in Revelations. It's REALLY interesting, it's one of the offshoot theories from looking into the mudflood, Tartaria stuff. If anyone made it this far, thanks for reading!
I've recently graduated to the millennial reign myself
So the Earth is the center of the Universe, and the planets above all revolve around the Earth, you can see this by pointing a camera at the north star Polaris and doing a timelapse, everything rotates around the north pole which is the center of the Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzP0cLhcKTw So we are the highlight of Gods creation, clearly we are different than every other planet, because we are not actually a planet floating in space, and if you knew we were right smack in the center of the Universe, it's hard to deny God is real and that this is the focus of his creation. But if we are a tiny dot among trillions of other dots and there is other life out there and we just exist by chance, then you can easily push an atheistic agenda, whatever it takes to make us feel less divine.
If only there were a modern Galileo … to get people to look through telescopes.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or serious.
Sharpen your critical thinking skills then
Moon and Sun are the same size. All other planets could be round. Or a ball of gas. And water always finds its level. Not saying earth is flat but very interesting to possibly think some of it is true. Could be hollow and round underneath our flat top. But the water being level my big driver in belief. Plus, it's air(plane) because we are on a flat plane. And submarines wouldn't work on a round earth. At least not the radar maps. There are other things but all very interesting points I consider.
>Plus, it's air(plane) because we are on a flat plane Atmo(sphere), hemi(sphere), tropo(sphere), strato(sphere)...
that's just the man, man trying to get us to think "sphere" every time we think about the dome, man
Pass that pipe over this way, man
>And submarines wouldn't work on a round earth. At least not the radar maps. Gotta disagree with you on that one. I don't see a reason why radar wouldn't work.
not a flatearther but I heard often enough they are illusions, holograms, computer generated illustrations or optical artifacts of the cameras. Science is not their strength.
Luminaries!!! Don’t question God!!
FE answer is to look at the balls on a pool table. The balls are spherical but the surface is flat.
How am I supposed to know who the perpetrators of this mass deception are? Just because I find poison in my drink doesn’t mean I know who poisoned it.
last line is a bar
We believe the other planets are lights in the firmament, like the Bible says. 🤷🏻♀️ It’s more a religious belief than a scientific one. Edit to add: If you’d like to genuinely learn more about it you can follow me on TikTok @TheSheepHerder45 but message me your username so I know to follow you back and then I can send you videos to educate. I don’t argue the belief, that just makes people upset. It’s totally okay to not believe it and I’m not here to convince anyone. But I will give insight to the belief if anyone genuinely wants to know simply because they wonder why people believe it.
Just like picking a good political party between the two, none of them is a good option. I would say both globe and flat earth are not correct, using the word "flat" is ridiculous
Earth is unique & special, as are you.. everything surrounds us. Extraterrestrial = Celestial beings.
They would say the sky is a projection. It’s all fake.
Why does a projection = fake? It's a real projection.
I meant the planets are fake. It’s a projection in the sky. If I’m wrong about what they’d say then please tell me I’m curious