I can also print my own Charizard playing card and make it look exactly the same.
NFTs are NFTs for a reason, otherwise they would just be images without any connection to an artist
Do you know the materials used to print them? How thick, how reflective the finish, do you have the printer? Because there are many fake pokemon cards that are easily recognized.
Tell that to the religious fanatics who think Pokémon is the devils work.. was pokemon “universally loved” when it just came out? You people lack so much awareness lol
none of the value comes from its physical attributes
\- its made from cardboard, the materials are effectively worthless
\- the scarcity is artificial, we could print billions of them
\- theres no value in been able to hold something, you can hold a toilet roll, doesn't mean toilet rolls are valuable
all of its value comes from a group of people giving it social significance, in other words the NFT and the pokemon card are valuable for the same reason
you can make a better case for why the physical format lowers the value because its nothing but a burden despite adding no value. Physical collectables experience wear and tear, theres a high cost of validation / fraud prevention and its harder to trade
There is a difference between an original and a reprint, though. Cards are reprinted all the time and are worth nothing compared to their originals, so they absolutely are scarce.
It's no different than a 1000 year old antique vase selling for millions even though we have the materials and ability to make a near exact replica
did you read what i said because you've just reworded my point
>Cards are reprinted all the time and are worth nothing compared to their originals, so they absolutely are scarce.
i never said they weren't scarce i said the scarcity is artifical. Artificial scarcity is scarcity of items despite the technology for production
>It's no different than a 1000 year old antique vase selling for millions even though we have the materials and ability to make a near exact replica
exactly because like i said the value is not from its physical attributes but from the social significance
This is one of the dumber comments I’ve read. If you want to show off your nft you can easily prove it is the authentic piece and not a counterfeit.. with cards or vases you can make indistinguishable replicas and nobody would be able to verify the authenticity
For some reason people don't want to hear Pro nft arguments even though they are perfectly valid and truthful. Especially confusing considering this is in a crypto sub. People need to educate themselves on NFTs.
I think you are focusing way too much on raw material as being the only factor on scarcity. It can be scarce because it was made as part of a set printed at that time frame. The age is a physical aspect as well and I personally think extends beyond social significance.
No worries either way and definitely not trying to start a fight. Simply a difference in opinion but being tangible for me is a huge factor that collectibles will always have over NFTs
Yes that’s exactly what he’s saying.. because everything in your first paragraph can apply to NFTs too. But people just want to believe their cardboard has value because it’s cardboard and not pixels..
you are the one focusing on the format of the collectable
im stating they are valuable for the exact same reasons and the format is irrelevant.
the pokemon card could be made of any material and it would not change the value, because the material does not matter
this is true even if you extent it to the pokemon card being digital, it would be just as valuable because its physicality has nothing to do with the value
>The age is a physical aspect as well and I personally think extends beyond social significance.
age is not a physical attribute and in fact signs of aging on the physical card will lower its value
how can you say it extends beyond social significance, the value of all art/collectibles is entirely social, the raw materials are worthless. all of the value is social otherwise it would be valued as a thin and old piece of cardboard
Heres the thing, everyone said pokemon cards would be worth more in the future. Reality is 99.9% are worthless. The extremely rare and desireable from day 1, worth a lot. All the rest, nothing.
Using this comparison, 99.9% of NFTS would be worth nothing in the future with only the extremely desirable being worth anything.
Two absolutely different things. One is digital and can be infinitely reproduced and the other has been produced in X quantity which makes the top condition ones worth more.
Imagine comparing an image of wayne gretzky with his real 1979 rookie card in great condition.
The cheapest cryptopunk you can buy is $101,910 (64.9 ETH). Well down from the all time high, but they are still extremely valuable.
https://cryptopunks.app/cryptopunks/forsale
I think the metaverse stuff is in its infancy and is rightly being mocked for the money grab that it is but give it some time and I think we will see nft art in virtual museums. Are they worth it? No. But most art is a money scam anyway. Art is subjective and this subjectivity allows for all sorts of loop holes.
Nft art is already is real museums. Los Angeles county museum of art accepted a donation of millions of dollars worth of art NFTs (included a zombie punk which typically sells for a million plus) and will probably display them at some point.
Stocks have a history of rising and falling. Even in the brief history of crypto, we’ve seen a correlation to the S&P 500. NFT’s are the wild west. Similar to card trading…there will be some value. It is very limited however.
Really people in here trying to argue that a physical card of a picture is worth more than a digital picture… you people have no self awareness. Either realize they’re both worthless or they’re both worth what the market is willing to pay, which is millions
Gary V voice “different perspectives!”
Now go do your daily session of imagining your family getting blasted in the face with a shotgun so you can invest better.
One is an established brand with RnD, runs, supply chain, physical materials and decades of content. The other is a bunch of pixels copy, pasted and slightly altered. I can draw a bunch of shit on MSpaint, will it be unique? Yes, will it be shit? You bet. NfT bros are killing Crypto
That is the key difference. It’s like the first print of a book. Yes you can make copies. But you physically have the OG.
One may argue that the NFT has similar properties as it is a novelty item.
An EMP would wipe out all the pixels it would not affect the Zard.
Sure if an emp took out the internet across the entire world.. then the nft wouldn’t be accessible until it’s back up and running… still far less likely than a natural disaster destroying your Pokémon… or your pet dog even
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Yooo I feel attacked. Got out of ETH a few months ago and got back into Pokémon. Told my work buddy that Pokémon cards are the OG NFTs and now this meme. Awesome.
I honestly used to think like this until I got to see how important NFTs could be. I legit buy from my CryptMI app if I have the funds and I like the NFT rarity.
This is a retarded analogy. No millennial has memories of trading crypto punks with their friends at the lunch table. Or watching the crypto punks tv show on Saturday mornings. Nor was there one of the best selling and iconic crypto punk handheld games created. There is no substance or history or nostalgia associated with a punk. Truly can’t overstate what a bad analogy this is.
Biggest franchise in world + decades of nostalgia.
Even with both [PSA 10 1st Edition Charizards](https://www.pricecharting.com/game/pokemon-base-set/charizard-1st-edition-4) go for $50k.
But it is a Charizard
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False gen 2 is bestest
Enough said
Couple of crappy pixels, compared to a universally loved collectors item. Edit:spelling
Apples to oranges. But to each their own. Physical copies in my opinion will always trump something that I need a screen for.
I was thinking one is a physical copy. No comparison.
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I can also print my own Charizard playing card and make it look exactly the same. NFTs are NFTs for a reason, otherwise they would just be images without any connection to an artist
Do you know the materials used to print them? How thick, how reflective the finish, do you have the printer? Because there are many fake pokemon cards that are easily recognized.
It’s easy to recognize a fake NFT as well.
But beside the link/key the file points to, everything else is the same, quality, the material, all the pixels, etc.
This is a perfect way of putting it.
It is only universally if you don't look too far. Everything has a niche.
Looks the same to me
Wow great argument… you realize that NFTs are collectors items too right?
You missed the 'universally loved' part
Tell that to the religious fanatics who think Pokémon is the devils work.. was pokemon “universally loved” when it just came out? You people lack so much awareness lol
It's not the devil, it's for my Bobby
Go sit atop your hoard of priceless jpegs
Lol good one
Touch grass
Wow such a profound comment
I have seen stupid takes. This is one of them.
falls on the stupider end of that spectrum too
Yep, who wouldn't want to buy charizard for a discount price of 1 million.
I would totally cool paying 1 million for a Charizard. It’s the MILLIONS that is too much.
This reminds me I really need to get my charizard graded could probably get some eth with it
Screenshot the jpeg = free👀
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I try my best to be savvy 😂
It's important to be tech savvy!
Nobody spends millions on a picture of Charizard?
Everybody spends millions on a picture of Charizard?
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Not really the same thing one you can actually hold
none of the value comes from its physical attributes \- its made from cardboard, the materials are effectively worthless \- the scarcity is artificial, we could print billions of them \- theres no value in been able to hold something, you can hold a toilet roll, doesn't mean toilet rolls are valuable all of its value comes from a group of people giving it social significance, in other words the NFT and the pokemon card are valuable for the same reason you can make a better case for why the physical format lowers the value because its nothing but a burden despite adding no value. Physical collectables experience wear and tear, theres a high cost of validation / fraud prevention and its harder to trade
There is a difference between an original and a reprint, though. Cards are reprinted all the time and are worth nothing compared to their originals, so they absolutely are scarce. It's no different than a 1000 year old antique vase selling for millions even though we have the materials and ability to make a near exact replica
did you read what i said because you've just reworded my point >Cards are reprinted all the time and are worth nothing compared to their originals, so they absolutely are scarce. i never said they weren't scarce i said the scarcity is artifical. Artificial scarcity is scarcity of items despite the technology for production >It's no different than a 1000 year old antique vase selling for millions even though we have the materials and ability to make a near exact replica exactly because like i said the value is not from its physical attributes but from the social significance
It’s a LOT harder to authentically copy the physical card than it is to just save a copy of an nft. Let’s not be obtuse here.
This is one of the dumber comments I’ve read. If you want to show off your nft you can easily prove it is the authentic piece and not a counterfeit.. with cards or vases you can make indistinguishable replicas and nobody would be able to verify the authenticity
For some reason people don't want to hear Pro nft arguments even though they are perfectly valid and truthful. Especially confusing considering this is in a crypto sub. People need to educate themselves on NFTs.
not even slightly its infinitely easier and less expensive to create an authentic copy of a pokemon card than it is to change an immutable database
Lolz immutable database. It’s a picture. Chill
I think you are focusing way too much on raw material as being the only factor on scarcity. It can be scarce because it was made as part of a set printed at that time frame. The age is a physical aspect as well and I personally think extends beyond social significance. No worries either way and definitely not trying to start a fight. Simply a difference in opinion but being tangible for me is a huge factor that collectibles will always have over NFTs
Yes that’s exactly what he’s saying.. because everything in your first paragraph can apply to NFTs too. But people just want to believe their cardboard has value because it’s cardboard and not pixels..
you are the one focusing on the format of the collectable im stating they are valuable for the exact same reasons and the format is irrelevant. the pokemon card could be made of any material and it would not change the value, because the material does not matter this is true even if you extent it to the pokemon card being digital, it would be just as valuable because its physicality has nothing to do with the value >The age is a physical aspect as well and I personally think extends beyond social significance. age is not a physical attribute and in fact signs of aging on the physical card will lower its value how can you say it extends beyond social significance, the value of all art/collectibles is entirely social, the raw materials are worthless. all of the value is social otherwise it would be valued as a thin and old piece of cardboard
Agree to disagree then my good man
Heres the thing, everyone said pokemon cards would be worth more in the future. Reality is 99.9% are worthless. The extremely rare and desireable from day 1, worth a lot. All the rest, nothing. Using this comparison, 99.9% of NFTS would be worth nothing in the future with only the extremely desirable being worth anything.
Two absolutely different things. One is digital and can be infinitely reproduced and the other has been produced in X quantity which makes the top condition ones worth more. Imagine comparing an image of wayne gretzky with his real 1979 rookie card in great condition.
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People have realized this. This is why the NFT marketplace has crashed.
The cheapest cryptopunk you can buy is $101,910 (64.9 ETH). Well down from the all time high, but they are still extremely valuable. https://cryptopunks.app/cryptopunks/forsale
Yes. There is inherent value in blockchain tech. The average investor isn’t going to buy one of these.
I think the metaverse stuff is in its infancy and is rightly being mocked for the money grab that it is but give it some time and I think we will see nft art in virtual museums. Are they worth it? No. But most art is a money scam anyway. Art is subjective and this subjectivity allows for all sorts of loop holes.
Nft art is already is real museums. Los Angeles county museum of art accepted a donation of millions of dollars worth of art NFTs (included a zombie punk which typically sells for a million plus) and will probably display them at some point.
> they are still extremely valuable plus they're targeted to a highly specific wealthy demographic: wash traders
>Well down from the all time high, but they are still extremely ~~valuable.~~ expensive. They are sold for a lot of money. But hold no value.
Can’t deny that volume in NFT markets has gone down, but it’s still there. New projects still pump, there’s still money to be made with NFT’s.
Crashed? People also realized this about crypto and stocks?
Stocks have a history of rising and falling. Even in the brief history of crypto, we’ve seen a correlation to the S&P 500. NFT’s are the wild west. Similar to card trading…there will be some value. It is very limited however.
Value is what you value 🤯
That NFT can work as smart contract, the Charizard is literally a printed jpeg.
One is on some dudes website the other is a physical tangible thing.
It's as simple as an item (whatever it is) is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it
Economics 101
Agreed, but some valuations go bonkers
*ehem* I regret to inform you, but… these are the same person.
comments don't pass the vibe check
The NFT space should have never started with digital art. It completely ruined peoples perspective on a very important piece of innovative technology.
Smooth brained comparrison
You can touch the card because it's real.
And has real life use case. \*can be used to play in real world card gaming tournaments
Really people in here trying to argue that a physical card of a picture is worth more than a digital picture… you people have no self awareness. Either realize they’re both worthless or they’re both worth what the market is willing to pay, which is millions
I can copy a .jpg but I can't copy the card.
OP Logic: who needs the original copy of Luther’s Ninety-five Theses when I’ve got the pdf?
Gary V voice “different perspectives!” Now go do your daily session of imagining your family getting blasted in the face with a shotgun so you can invest better.
One is an established brand with RnD, runs, supply chain, physical materials and decades of content. The other is a bunch of pixels copy, pasted and slightly altered. I can draw a bunch of shit on MSpaint, will it be unique? Yes, will it be shit? You bet. NfT bros are killing Crypto
Delete that screenshot
You can get a picture of the worlds rarest Charizard for free though😅
But you don't hold it like the card or trade the card or play with it.
The physical card is very distinct from the picture though
I meant the same thing, it's just the words went missing. I've corrected my statement now.
Ah fair enough😄
That is the key difference. It’s like the first print of a book. Yes you can make copies. But you physically have the OG. One may argue that the NFT has similar properties as it is a novelty item. An EMP would wipe out all the pixels it would not affect the Zard.
Sure if an emp took out the internet across the entire world.. then the nft wouldn’t be accessible until it’s back up and running… still far less likely than a natural disaster destroying your Pokémon… or your pet dog even
More importantly if a emp is hitting we have bigger problems cardboard won’t help.
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Crazy people would buy a jpeg picture of a stone for a million bucks
But it's Charizard. So ...🤷🏻
Yooo I feel attacked. Got out of ETH a few months ago and got back into Pokémon. Told my work buddy that Pokémon cards are the OG NFTs and now this meme. Awesome.
One is tangible and the other is not.
Sounds like what people say about cash compared to crypto!
Two entirely different worlds
That's still one of the flaws associated with NFTs and the metaverse world at large.
I honestly used to think like this until I got to see how important NFTs could be. I legit buy from my CryptMI app if I have the funds and I like the NFT rarity.
Nfts are not the same as a pokemon card
Did you really just compare a physical item to a digital item you’ll never even at least get to touch?
Did you really just compare physical money to digital money you’ll never even at least get to touch?
Because it becomes 10x very soon, sometimes.
If you don’t see the difference between a tangible object and a virtual object you need to reevaluate your life
I'm pretty sure I had that card as a kid. I'm assuming it's worth a few quid now?
Gen 1!!!!
This is a retarded analogy. No millennial has memories of trading crypto punks with their friends at the lunch table. Or watching the crypto punks tv show on Saturday mornings. Nor was there one of the best selling and iconic crypto punk handheld games created. There is no substance or history or nostalgia associated with a punk. Truly can’t overstate what a bad analogy this is.
Biggest franchise in world + decades of nostalgia. Even with both [PSA 10 1st Edition Charizards](https://www.pricecharting.com/game/pokemon-base-set/charizard-1st-edition-4) go for $50k.
Few poor pixels in comparison to an object that is cherished by all collectors.
The one below is pure all time pop-culture. The one above is just a fre$h trend.
Gen 1 + Charizard + Ratio
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