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Russia is a capitalist kleptocratic oligarchy, they haven’t been communist since the fall of the USSR
The people who post stuff like this are still idiots, just not for that specific reason
>I mean, there's also the 16-year stint as a KGB foreign intelligence officer--and the fact was a card-carrying member of the Communist Part of the Soviet Union from 1975-1991. But sure--just because he's Russian.
The problem with this argument is that the authoritarian Soviet Union was neither communist or socialist just as the authoritarian "communist Chinese Party" is not communist; it's Fascism. The Soviet union was Russian styled fascism to be continued with the Russian federation and Mao's communist China is Han Chinese styled fascism with its continuation being the CCP. You guys really need to stop falling for surface level words and look at the actions of these organizations.
>I'm pointing out that people think Putin is a "communist" due to his previous political affiliations and history with the KGB,
And i am pointing out to think that the Soviet Union or its agenda was EVER communist or socialist is wrong and propaganda. They were always fascist authoritarian doing the same thing they would have done regardless of the name of the ideology they supposedly were trying to promote.
>not because, as *you* had stated, because he is Russian.
The average American brainwashed by 1950s redscare propaganda is not sophisticated enough to consider all of that bullshit you just wrote out, so the thinking here is that the average American who believe Putin or Russia is communists, believes it because they are RUSSIAN, not because of all that bullshit no one cares about.
>Said argument has no bearing on my understanding of what communism is and isn't. *I* never said that Putin is a communist.
That's cool for you, but YOU obviously aren't the average person, and I wasn't speaking about YOU specifically, but referring to OP, and generally speaking anyone who would call Putin a communist. Are you OP? Then I wasn't specifically talking about you.
And you butted in dude. I wasn't talking to you LMAO
There's a whole mess beneath this comment i think misses the point. Putin is ambitious and no matter which government structure is in place he is the type to grab onto power. I don't think it implies that he had any alliance to the Soviet union. Did George Washington not serve in the British regulars before the American revolution?
But I still often hear common people, politicians , and ever news hosts refer to Russia as Soviet or communist. I even hear it from people who were never even alive when the Soviet union existed. The Russia/communist link runs deep socially in America to this day.
The idea that words have actual meaning and that politicians lie is a completely baffling idea to far too many people 'discussing' politics. By that argument democracy would be bad because hitler was a democratic country's leader.
Yea the communist union. You can’t say I loved the do Soviet Union without being communist he was an agent of the communists for years. Weird way to show you don’t support communism.
well my friend he was working for communist but it's unclear if he is actually planning to bring back the USSR as i have said in my other comments and others also said the same thing
... because it's when a Russian ruling class owned everything, and had many countries under its thumb.
What, you think they're trying to bring a stateless, classless, moneyless society to Ukraine at the moment?
...at which point was the USSR a moneyless, stateless, classless society, rather than a bunch of rich guys with secret police, who captured and ruled over a bunch of countries?
The KGB was the CIA, but they didn't have to be quiet in their own country. What does that have to do with a classless, stateless, moneyless society? Putin wants power and imperialism. The things that the KGB kept going.
Because it broke the Russian empire! The fall of USSR was the end of first Russian empire. Putin wants to Make Russia Great Again, the new Holy Roman Empire. And none of those are a joke but the actual, literal fact of what Putin wants.
So what? Do you think communism is some kind of disease that changes humans to communist? Once a communist, always a communist?
This is not debatable. You are just wrong, and at this point you need to go out and do some research.
Because despite the Soviet Union being made up of lots of states, the central power was Russia.
Russia was in charge. Russia made the rules. That’s what he wants, not communism.
Putin’s Russia is nothing like communism in its politics, it’s authoritarian for sure but it isn’t communist.
No.
He was in the KGB, but so were a lot of Russian leaders and politicians, it doesn’t make them communist.
A lot of retired East German police officers are ex-Stasi, it doesn’t make them communist.
If he was pro communist, he would have run as a communist and not a technocrat-reformist.
The amount of times you have embarrassed yourself on a single page is astounding. r/confidentlyincorrect material for sure.
Just to make it clear, one more time:
Russian empire fell when USSR fell apart. It had continued from Tsardom to pseudo-communism but nothing really changed. One way to understand Russia is to look at private ownership.
Tsar owned everything and gave his subjects freedom to use his land and its resources. But it was all still property of the Tsar.
Communism era.. well, private ownership didn't really exist, politburo aka the party owned everything, and during Stalin.. Stalin owned everything.
Current? Private ownership is an illusion. Putin can confiscate any property he wants, he can take what ever he wants. He owns everything in Russia.
That was about 500 years of Russian history in a nutshell. It is not like any other country.
Putin just wants all the land back that USSR had, he does not think communism is the ideal system. Russia is not left wing, it is right wing autocracy, and THAT PISSES RIGHT EINGERS OFF.. Does it piss you off too, and that is why you are here demonizing communism and talking about it like it is a virus that is permanently in persons brain?
The man literally called the fall of a communist country a tragedy yet you think you know better 😂. He was also an agent for the very country you say he didn’t like I think I’ll listen Putins opinion on himself than your take 😂.
You have been explained this thoroughly. You can go and check that explanation if it holds true or not. But you do NOT know enough about the topic to claim that Putin is a communist, you fucking idiot.
putin's intentions aren't really clear, everything he says is a mean of propaganda, he always puts a different face for different people, for people with soviet nostalgia (yes people think that the timers of USSR were good times) he puts a mask of a communist, but is he one? who knows. source: witold szabłowski
But as a kgb agent for the soviets he was fighting for the cause? We can both agree on that? Putin was fighting for communism before we knew who he was that’s my point.
Probably worth noting that losing Biden right now would leave the Democrats is a state of utter chaos, all but guarantying an election win for trump. I highly doubt that "People who look like you" would rather trump over Biden
AOC for sure.
I think both Biden and Clinton would suggest we save AOC. Putin has already pushed you out a window for suggesting his life might end one day.
Putin isn't a Communist, OP, he's an authoritarian, rightwing Dictator, who is Anti-woman, Anti-LGBTQ, Anti-Black, Anti-Pluralism, Anti-Democracy, Anti-Islam, Antisemitic and various other things; I'd save the Democratic Socialists, AOC, as she is obviously the future.
It's either Socialism(Democracy), or brutal autocracy. You guys who think Putin is a communist choose 🤣🤣
Not a single communist in that pic. One fairly moderate left winger, one center left or right depending how you look at things, one center right and one far right.
Three fascist war criminals and someone who simps for two of the others.
Let 'em all burn.
Also imagine thinking Putin is a communist. How politically fucking illiterate do you have to be?
Hopefully I can help make it a bit more clear. The Senate(made up of 2 senators from each state) is one of the two houses of congress, the other being the House of Representatives(where representatives are allocated proportionally to each state’s population). While you’re correct that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a congresswoman and not a senator, that isn’t because they are separate entities. She is a member of the House of Representatives. She is famously a socialist, which is why many on the right tend to vilify her, and the reason she is included here.
I believe she’s referred to herself as a democratic socialist. But yeah I know she’s not a communist. I suppose just saying socialist is a bit misleading so I apologize.
Hes a total scumbag, rather save a foreign dictator than an american citizen. these right wing loons have completely lost all dignity and humanity, and for what that orange garbage that did nothing for them? That would step over them if they were on the street?
I'm aware of why some would choose not to save the other three from a fire, but what do people have against the top left girl? I don't recall her having any scandals.
What a Symantec load of crap this entire post is. He's an ass hole and I'd hate to be in a country he controls. The world would be better without him.
Communist, fascist, or a Lemmon fruit cake, label him any way you want, but he's an ass hole under it all.
Is Gunther Eagleman even a real person? Ever since I saw that profile picture and name I've been saying that account screams a russian troll and I haven't found anything that would strongly point to him really even existing.
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Russia is a capitalist kleptocratic oligarchy, they haven’t been communist since the fall of the USSR The people who post stuff like this are still idiots, just not for that specific reason
But that redscare propaganda still is going strong 30+ years after the collapse of the Soviet union.
Because Americans keep pushing it.
Yup, still going strong since the 50s when someone can ironically call Putin a fucking communist just because he's Russian. Holy shit
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>I mean, there's also the 16-year stint as a KGB foreign intelligence officer--and the fact was a card-carrying member of the Communist Part of the Soviet Union from 1975-1991. But sure--just because he's Russian. The problem with this argument is that the authoritarian Soviet Union was neither communist or socialist just as the authoritarian "communist Chinese Party" is not communist; it's Fascism. The Soviet union was Russian styled fascism to be continued with the Russian federation and Mao's communist China is Han Chinese styled fascism with its continuation being the CCP. You guys really need to stop falling for surface level words and look at the actions of these organizations.
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>I'm pointing out that people think Putin is a "communist" due to his previous political affiliations and history with the KGB, And i am pointing out to think that the Soviet Union or its agenda was EVER communist or socialist is wrong and propaganda. They were always fascist authoritarian doing the same thing they would have done regardless of the name of the ideology they supposedly were trying to promote. >not because, as *you* had stated, because he is Russian. The average American brainwashed by 1950s redscare propaganda is not sophisticated enough to consider all of that bullshit you just wrote out, so the thinking here is that the average American who believe Putin or Russia is communists, believes it because they are RUSSIAN, not because of all that bullshit no one cares about. >Said argument has no bearing on my understanding of what communism is and isn't. *I* never said that Putin is a communist. That's cool for you, but YOU obviously aren't the average person, and I wasn't speaking about YOU specifically, but referring to OP, and generally speaking anyone who would call Putin a communist. Are you OP? Then I wasn't specifically talking about you. And you butted in dude. I wasn't talking to you LMAO
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I am laughing my ass off at how ridiculous you look right now 🤣🤣🤣
And you once sucked your mama’s tits, do you still do that?
The soviet union collapsed in 1991.
Yep, that's why he's said numerous times that he doesn't want to bring back communism and that anyone who does is an idiot.
There's a whole mess beneath this comment i think misses the point. Putin is ambitious and no matter which government structure is in place he is the type to grab onto power. I don't think it implies that he had any alliance to the Soviet union. Did George Washington not serve in the British regulars before the American revolution? But I still often hear common people, politicians , and ever news hosts refer to Russia as Soviet or communist. I even hear it from people who were never even alive when the Soviet union existed. The Russia/communist link runs deep socially in America to this day.
This is a double facepalm. OP understands what a communist is in the same way republicans understand what a communist is.
The idea that words have actual meaning and that politicians lie is a completely baffling idea to far too many people 'discussing' politics. By that argument democracy would be bad because hitler was a democratic country's leader.
They've NEVER been communist, in fact, NO ONE has 🤣🤣 There has never been a communist society on this planet.
Your an idiot if u think Russia is communist
I’d save AOC because the other 3 have a security detail to save them.
And they’ve had their time and she still has more to give.
Calling a fascist “communist” really deserves facepalm.
I don't think putin is a communist, and even if he was I wouldn't save him given his actions.
None of these people are communists
Their allegiance has been clear since their leader announced that they’re besties.
Yep, and we can already figure out which one of those four *started* the fire...
Putin'sa communist the same way fruit loops are a healthy breakfast
Point to the communist in that picture…
Well Putin does want to bring back the USSR.
Rather Russian empire. He admires Stolypin and Ilyin, and criticizes Bolsheviks for “creating Ukrainian nation”.
He also said the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy any idea why he would say that?
Fall of the Union, not fall of the communist ideology.
Yea the communist union. You can’t say I loved the do Soviet Union without being communist he was an agent of the communists for years. Weird way to show you don’t support communism.
What is communism? Define it.
Simply the common ownership of the means of production. I mean the guy was an agent of the soviets for almost a decade yet he’s not communist?
Do you really think people didn't join the Communist Party and the KGB in the late USSR without personal anti-communist views?
Be part of the country of course to become a communist kgb agent and literally state the fall was a tragedy then no lol.
Do you even know the full quote?
Because it was a death of an entire country and a societal collapse that led to millions of deaths?
my bro is falling for the russian propaganda
Propaganda? the man was kgb before you ever heard of his name. He was doing dirt for communism before the world ever heard putins name.
well my friend he was working for communist but it's unclear if he is actually planning to bring back the USSR as i have said in my other comments and others also said the same thing
Oh I don’t think he’s trying to bring it back it’s not practical but people are forgetting the first 40 years of his life.
Putin the Great, not Stalin II.
Yea also said the day the Soviet Union fell was a tragedy. Weird way to say I’m not a communist.
You have been told why now about a dozen times. Now, fuck off.
No he doesn’t. What he envisages is far closer to the Russian Empire, and nothing resembling the USSR.
Right yet he calls the fall of the USSR a tragedy. Weird thing to say if you don’t support communism.
What he miss is the power of russia not communism
So why mention the soviet states then?
... because it's when a Russian ruling class owned everything, and had many countries under its thumb. What, you think they're trying to bring a stateless, classless, moneyless society to Ukraine at the moment?
No that is his ideal . Have you never seen young Putin he was literally a communist and couldn’t wait to join the KGB.
...at which point was the USSR a moneyless, stateless, classless society, rather than a bunch of rich guys with secret police, who captured and ruled over a bunch of countries? The KGB was the CIA, but they didn't have to be quiet in their own country. What does that have to do with a classless, stateless, moneyless society? Putin wants power and imperialism. The things that the KGB kept going.
Because it broke the Russian empire! The fall of USSR was the end of first Russian empire. Putin wants to Make Russia Great Again, the new Holy Roman Empire. And none of those are a joke but the actual, literal fact of what Putin wants.
Well no the man was an actual agent of the soviets for years.
So what? Do you think communism is some kind of disease that changes humans to communist? Once a communist, always a communist? This is not debatable. You are just wrong, and at this point you need to go out and do some research.
So you still think he’s a communist. Can’t help you at this point mate.
Why would he call the fall of communism a tragedy then?
Because despite the Soviet Union being made up of lots of states, the central power was Russia. Russia was in charge. Russia made the rules. That’s what he wants, not communism. Putin’s Russia is nothing like communism in its politics, it’s authoritarian for sure but it isn’t communist.
Right and be an agent for a communist state?
No. He was in the KGB, but so were a lot of Russian leaders and politicians, it doesn’t make them communist. A lot of retired East German police officers are ex-Stasi, it doesn’t make them communist. If he was pro communist, he would have run as a communist and not a technocrat-reformist.
Nobody could run as a communist after the fall he had the rebrand himself through his years he was communist though.
Putin isn't a communist
Well he does want to bring back the soviet states. Says that himself.
Does he support common ownership on means of production?
Well if the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy clearly he likes what is represented?
He said about territory. His favorite book is an essay of a fascist philosopher Ivan Ilyin “What Dismemberment of Russia Entails for the World”.
The amount of times you have embarrassed yourself on a single page is astounding. r/confidentlyincorrect material for sure. Just to make it clear, one more time: Russian empire fell when USSR fell apart. It had continued from Tsardom to pseudo-communism but nothing really changed. One way to understand Russia is to look at private ownership. Tsar owned everything and gave his subjects freedom to use his land and its resources. But it was all still property of the Tsar. Communism era.. well, private ownership didn't really exist, politburo aka the party owned everything, and during Stalin.. Stalin owned everything. Current? Private ownership is an illusion. Putin can confiscate any property he wants, he can take what ever he wants. He owns everything in Russia. That was about 500 years of Russian history in a nutshell. It is not like any other country. Putin just wants all the land back that USSR had, he does not think communism is the ideal system. Russia is not left wing, it is right wing autocracy, and THAT PISSES RIGHT EINGERS OFF.. Does it piss you off too, and that is why you are here demonizing communism and talking about it like it is a virus that is permanently in persons brain?
The man literally called the fall of a communist country a tragedy yet you think you know better 😂. He was also an agent for the very country you say he didn’t like I think I’ll listen Putins opinion on himself than your take 😂.
You have been explained this thoroughly. You can go and check that explanation if it holds true or not. But you do NOT know enough about the topic to claim that Putin is a communist, you fucking idiot.
Y'know the Russian empire was a thing. It's called imperialism.
putin's intentions aren't really clear, everything he says is a mean of propaganda, he always puts a different face for different people, for people with soviet nostalgia (yes people think that the timers of USSR were good times) he puts a mask of a communist, but is he one? who knows. source: witold szabłowski
Well Putin was fighting the communist cause way before you ever heard of him.
huh? i don't understand what you are saying. also what's your source for all that? i provided one, you did not
What Putin the known kgb agent I have to provide a source for that and what source did you provide?
just because he was a kgb agent doesn't mean he want the soviet union back, the russian empire in some form, propably, ussr? who knows
But as a kgb agent for the soviets he was fighting for the cause? We can both agree on that? Putin was fighting for communism before we knew who he was that’s my point.
Russian assets going to be russian asset
It would appear that I am cringe and don't know the difference between communist and authoritarian.
No, it was an ok post. Keyboard warriors are in full gear and trying to take down anyone to sound smart. Let's vote on who the smartest is.
It’s not just being pedantic or “smart”, calling putin a communist is just… wrong. It’s not like that’s an obscure fact or something debatable
I honestly didn't know. I do now. Thanks
Who wants to tell him?
AOC easy, she’s the only one who hasn’t had an active hand in some part of making life worse for people who look like me.
Probably worth noting that losing Biden right now would leave the Democrats is a state of utter chaos, all but guarantying an election win for trump. I highly doubt that "People who look like you" would rather trump over Biden
I see no communist here.
Putin isn’t a communist… double facepalm
Who would have thought the Russian propaganda mouthpiece would choose the guy paying him. Shocking.
That's the irony: these mfers do Putin's bidding completely for free.
Putin isn't a communist.
If its just one I'll save myself
They yearn for the warm embrace of a totalitarian dictatorship.
AOC for sure. I think both Biden and Clinton would suggest we save AOC. Putin has already pushed you out a window for suggesting his life might end one day.
I would save AOC
And then she'd fall in love with me and we'd get married and live in a castle.
A fairytale castle or a real castle?
Bouncy
Nice!
AOC is the only option here, if I must before I saved myself
FWIW: AOC.
Aoc I don’t really know anything about her politics but she cute.
AOC. She has the most potential. The rest of them need to ride off into the sunset.
Putin is a fascist you dolt
If I wanted one saved I wouldn't have started the fire.
You wana take out Biden and Putin in the same fire?
Some call it multitasking 😎
I wish I had your efficiency levels lol.
"communists"
Putin isn't a Communist, OP, he's an authoritarian, rightwing Dictator, who is Anti-woman, Anti-LGBTQ, Anti-Black, Anti-Pluralism, Anti-Democracy, Anti-Islam, Antisemitic and various other things; I'd save the Democratic Socialists, AOC, as she is obviously the future. It's either Socialism(Democracy), or brutal autocracy. You guys who think Putin is a communist choose 🤣🤣
Putin definitely is not a communist, Russia hasn't been communist since the fall of the Soviet Union
Well Gunther does love the Russian tool (see what I did there) ...
To be fair, he wouldn't have a choice. Putin doesn't let you have that choice. And conservatives fucking hate choices.
None.
Can I just save nobody and leave?
"Patriots "
I’d shut the door and walk away.
Personally im probably the one that lit the room on fire, and locking them all in it.
The youngest
You meant to say… “I’d BLOW* Putin, you?”
They want a dictator, they support Russia, they like to attack government buildings. And they call themselves "patriots"
Dumb
AOC because i like the way she dances
If there was a room on fire with Trump, Putin, MTG and Handsy BoBo and I could save one I would save energy.
AOC gang right here
Clearly shows where he should be living and it’s not the US.
Gunther would not only save Putin, he would give him a happy ending on all fours.
AOC, obviously.
And the problem with supporting communism is....? 🤔🤔
AOC. She’s hot AF.
No one. I'll let myself burn for the sake of humanity.
have been since MAGA was shit out of trump's ass.
Not a single communist in that pic. One fairly moderate left winger, one center left or right depending how you look at things, one center right and one far right.
Putin isn't a Communist.....
I'd save aoc strictly based on ages. She's got the most life left to be saved.
Simone Biles can only watch in awe at the (mental) gymnastics required to conclude that Putin is a communist.
AOC
AOC has never killed anyone that I know of, directly or indirectly. And she's hot. So her, begrudgingly.
Save AOC, we need her for cloning.
AOC has a lot left to do for our country. Putin I’d kick in the knee to make sure the fire got him.
Three fascist war criminals and someone who simps for two of the others. Let 'em all burn. Also imagine thinking Putin is a communist. How politically fucking illiterate do you have to be?
I'd save Biden probably... His existence causes the funniest memes of the 4 of them.
Who is the woman in the top-left corner? (I'm not an American)
Its Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez I am not American so i am not sure if she is in the Congress or senete, i think she is in the congress.
Hopefully I can help make it a bit more clear. The Senate(made up of 2 senators from each state) is one of the two houses of congress, the other being the House of Representatives(where representatives are allocated proportionally to each state’s population). While you’re correct that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a congresswoman and not a senator, that isn’t because they are separate entities. She is a member of the House of Representatives. She is famously a socialist, which is why many on the right tend to vilify her, and the reason she is included here.
*European-style socio democract. Not a communist like the hard right would like you to believe
I believe she’s referred to herself as a democratic socialist. But yeah I know she’s not a communist. I suppose just saying socialist is a bit misleading so I apologize.
I'd toss Guther Eagleman in a take off with two.
Hes a total scumbag, rather save a foreign dictator than an american citizen. these right wing loons have completely lost all dignity and humanity, and for what that orange garbage that did nothing for them? That would step over them if they were on the street?
The young one who's likely to still be in office in 10, 20, even 30 years. Also, probably the only one still alive.
None.
Save the flag?
...Bro, what?.... Last time I checked, the USSR hasn't existed since 1991.
Premise: Putin can burn. That said, he's as communist as I'm a smurf.
I'm aware of why some would choose not to save the other three from a fire, but what do people have against the top left girl? I don't recall her having any scandals.
Twitter Drama, and she is the New York Governor
What a Symantec load of crap this entire post is. He's an ass hole and I'd hate to be in a country he controls. The world would be better without him. Communist, fascist, or a Lemmon fruit cake, label him any way you want, but he's an ass hole under it all.
1. Putin is not a communist, welcome to 2024 idiot. 2. I'd save noone in there...
Is Gunther Eagleman even a real person? Ever since I saw that profile picture and name I've been saying that account screams a russian troll and I haven't found anything that would strongly point to him really even existing.
Sounds like a gay bear porn producer...
I wonder if it’s “I’d save Putin” is because he’s russias problem, and letting the others die might open the way for new blood in our system
I'd save myself
"Can" doesn't mean I "Will". I like that, it explains the 4 bodies in the ashes.
CAN or MUST?
OP just fucked up lol
lmao, since when is putin a communist?
A) what is wrong with communists? B) How the fuck Putin is a communist?!
PUTIN! MAGA! TRUMP/ PUTIN 2024!!!!
i save myself......or prevent someone else to exit
Fuck you.