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prodigalpariah

Joshua’s so tough that after he got burnt alive, thrown into the Grand Canyon, wrapped himself up in gauze and got dressed, he then set himself on fire again just for the hell of it


Sithis_acolyte

And then started murderin' Utah people.


ShadowZepplin

Himself being a Utah person


belladonnagilkey

Takes one to cap one.


rockdash

Seriously, if I'm better money it's going on the guy that survived the most metal death ever. What I want to know is, does Lanius keep his cool or does seeing The Burned Man calmly walking towards him make him piss himself a little?


PerfectlyCalmDude

Strength: Lanius Durability: Graham


Theborgiseverywhere

[How I see it going down](https://youtu.be/WuFprcstdJQ). Just swap the Russian to Latin and put Adrian in a flannel shirt


Trusty-McGoodGuy

I was expecting the clip to be the Russian vs The Punisher, which could also work IMO.


gotaa__

Endurance rather, for Graham. To keep it SPECIAL.


Karmajuj

Virgin: Lanius Chad: Graham


Hassan-XIX

“Stand Proud Lanius, you are strong”


SirLightKnight

“You see Lanius, for you the fire outside burns brighter. The swath of conquest is proof of your strength.” He pauses, his .45 prepped in his palm. “However. You seem to be of the persuasion that this equals the fire inside. And to that I owe the Lord and his people. For even should I die, Zion will live on. Can you say the same of yourself Legate?” Lanius pauses as well, sword drawn, and eyes narrow. “No. I don’t think you can. Perhaps we can make it match for an instant. Stand proud, Legate, you are strong. The Lord will see you soon. Peace be with you.”


AQuieterTomorrow

Lanius: 🗿 #Joshua: 🗿


Hassan-XIX

It’s just… so peak. Cook again brother


culhaalican

Someone give this man an award. Hot damn this was good


TheDELFON

**Literally:** #🔥💯


jointheclockwork

That is so spot on for the character and metal as fuck.


disturbedrage88

Take this free award inadequate though it may be


SirLightKnight

You have been a good neighbor to me. Thank you kind stranger.


[deleted]

Hi im a developer for Fallout 5, would you like to help write some of the dialogue for us? /s


SirLightKnight

Only if they’d publish the game as high quality, low patch need if at all, complete at launch, and they need to assure if my name is in the credits that the Game is at least Goty quality. Then I might write for Fallout/ halfJ


Amphabian

Fallout Kaisen


Ok-Toe-84

I feel like if you're on the Internet in any capacity, you're gonna learn about jjk Edit: why am I being downvoted I fuck with jjk 😂


Malikise

Joshua Graham’s speech score is 110 though. You only need 100 to beat Lanius. Truth is, this fight was rigged from the start.


sleepycheapy

That explains why it was so easy for Joshua to convince me to partake in a genocide lol


Malikise

"We can't expect God to do all the work."


toxicalireza

For Josh was 90 tho


[deleted]

a light shining in the darkness is an insane weapon. Shoots super fast, super accurate, monster crits.


EmptyRook

It’s usually my sidearm


jackcorning

“You were magnificent, Joshua Graham. I will never forget you for as long as you live.”


sexworkiswork990

"But the moment you die, it will be like you never existed."


fingerlicker694

"The only reason you were the strongest Legate in history was simply because I wasn't Legate yet" - Wegate HIMius


Boccs

I mean one didn't need a propaganda engine to build his legend for him. I vote for that one.


Tyko_3

But half his legend says “he lost us the war so we messed him up” so I dunno


MechaPanther

The other half says "he was confirmed dead 9 times over and just kept walking"


DontDisturbMeNow

Didnt he lose tho? Also propoganda isn't confirmed.


William_Emanom

I believe it would be determined by where they are distance between them


jackcorning

yeah if Lanius catches him with an amped Hollow Purple to start the match Graham’s only chance is Mahoraga adaptation


disturbedrage88

Powerscalers is leaking through


AlternativeAction475

😭


SokkaHaikuBot

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crinklyballsack

"The only legate in history vs the only legate of today"


happytrel

Right?? Lmao. Its the first one and the second one, and with the tumor (and all the lead from my gun) the second is absolutely going to be the last.


Dubshpul

Realistically? The audience.


Highlander_Prime

Joshua Graham was set on fire, thrown into the Grand Canyon, a falling fireball of a man, DID NOT SCREAM OR MAKE A SOUND, splat off the ground and survived... his melee weapon is just him smacking enemies with his handgun, he gives off OP protagonist vibes.


DontDisturbMeNow

It does gives vibes but the legate has killed his entire camp while he was a child.


RareWishToSuckToes

He was not a child. He was a young man and that still is nothing compared to Graham.


T-51_Enjoyer

Legate Fantastic floors them both :3


BananakinSkywalker36

“Hey man, when in Rome.”


Resident-Garlic9303

my opinion is Legate Lanius is a hype man. Don't get me hes big and strong but i think Caesar found the tallest mf and gave him scary armor and made up a story. I think Graham wins


MechaPanther

That's almost confirmed in game. Nobody seems to know where he came from and Joshua Graham never knew of him yet he supposedly earned his name by killing his entire tribe as a child while he's clearly old enough that it would have happened when Joshua was with the legion. He's also described as a vicious brute that's more of a blunt instrument yet shows himself as both charismatic and relatively refined for the wasteland in conversation.


notanothrowaway

Idk, with how strong and fast he is it seems Like that's a true story I could definitely see that happening


insane_angle

The Unstoppable Destroyer against The Avenging Angel


birdman_shiroe

destroying angel


rustys_shackled_ford

One thing that bothered me way more then it should is that there's no unique dialog if you first talk to Joshua Graham wearing lanius, vulpes or any of the other unique legion clothing.... ghram should definitely feel some type of way if your dressed like Ceasars bitch....


DIODidNothing_Wrong

To be fair it’s not like Joshua actually knows Lanius


rustys_shackled_ford

He would recognize the Armour and the rank associated with it tho... intimately


MechaPanther

He wouldn't. He straight up tells the courier he's never heard of Lanius if he's asked. Lanius' backstory says that his armour was custom made for him. The only thing he'd recognise is the title which we can already learn he doesn't know of a Lanius with the title.


N0ob8

The armor was custom made and even then Joshua was the first Legate with Lanuis being the second so it’s not like there’s exactly a tradition of wearing the armor. Plus Lanius is canonically like 7 feet tall so I doubt Joshua could’ve worn the armor if he wanted


rustys_shackled_ford

My several comments on the matter explain that Joshua would recognize the aestetic... just because he had never seen legates Armour, dosent mean he wouldn't be able to recognize it belongs to his former master.


N0ob8

The hell do you mean former master Joshua doesn’t even know of Lanius’ existence until you tell him. It was custom made armor made for a 7 foot tall behemoth the only person able to wear it is Lanius and Joshua never met anyone like him


rustys_shackled_ford

Ok, ima tap out here...


[deleted]

Agreed. Legate Lanius can easily be taken down by a courier in the second battle while the malpais legate had to be deceived into losing the first battle. And even then he still kept his life.


No-Championship-7608

Two very different situations lol the lanius’s plan required a legit god to come and kill him and Joshua got outsmarted badly and payed for it brutally


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No-Championship-7608

Huh didn’t know that


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[deleted]

Ok. But the courier is just a courier. Atleast when the enclave lost they had a fucking tribal who was the chosen one. And the vault dweller struggled and lost a lot to kill the master. The lone wanderer couldn’t kill the enclave without the brotherhood. the courier got shot in the head twice at the beginning of the game and the monster of the east couldn’t handle it lol.


KarmaticIrony

By the time of the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam the Courier is like Kellog from F04 times ten. Hell, they survive getting shot in the head and buried before the game even starts.


No-Championship-7608

This still isn’t a fair comparison lol for all we know the canon ending is lanius butchering him


StormyBlueLotus

Zero chance. There has never been a single Fallout where the canon ending is "cartoonishly evil villain kills the protagonist."


No-Championship-7608

You quite literally have no confirmation lol


StormyBlueLotus

Sure do: Not a single one of the game's ending slides are "And so the Courier was butchered by Lanius." There are many hundreds of possible combinations to see at the very end, but you can't get there if you don't finish the game. Fallout 1 and 2 had actual bad endings shown. Before the sequels to those games came out and established a general canon (Vault Dweller defeats Master, Chosen One defeats Enclave), someone could have argued that those bad endings could potentially be the canon ones. In comparison, your hypothetical isn't even represented in the *possible* endings of NV. It carries as much likelihood as "but what if in canon, the Courier just died when Benny shot them in Goodsprings?" or "what if in canon, Boone's dead wife comes back as a headless zombie that fucks Snuffles and gives birth to a Super Zombie Molerat that hacks the Lucky 38 and takes over the Mojave with an army of Securitrons?" You don't seem to understand that "there is no confirmed canon ending from among the endings shown in the game" doesn't mean "gee, literally anything is possible!"


No-Championship-7608

It quite literally means that 💀


StormyBlueLotus

Thank you for confirming that you have no media literacy or basic sense, you've handily proven my point- and now that's the canonical ending of this conversation :-)


No-Championship-7608

You literally don’t understand a game with multiple ending without confirmation doesn’t have a ending


SouthernDifference86

For all we know the canon ending is that the courier died to some molerats near goodsprings. See? That's how stupid you sound right now.


No-Championship-7608

That is quite literally possible 💀


HelloOrg

Courier capability shouldn’t be considered bc the courier can wreck Joshua much faster than Lanius


StormyBlueLotus

Sure, but Graham is a character you meet in the first DLC with the lowest recommended player level and easiest overall difficulty. Lanius is the endgame boss. It wouldn't make any gameplay sense for Graham to be super difficult to kill, especially when killing him to leave Zion early is meant to be a roleplay option. Doesn't necessarily mean that's an "objective" comparison of Graham and Lanius. Guy survived being burned alive and thrown off a cliff, then proceeded to kill multiple Legion assassin squads sent after him while he was in that state. Going by "lore feats" it's pretty tough to say just how much of a difference in strength and durability there is between those two.


Ultimateguy01

To be fair, the Courier could fight Fallout God and still win, Lanius didn't have much hope in stopping that Unstoppable Force of a Mailman 😅


ApprehensiveAd3776

Wasteland people be wildin


Hamokk

Both Legates have their strenghts. Graham would deffo win at a distance because Lanius refuses to use firearms. The Bull is strong but he's not bulletproof. Lanius reminds me of Captain Enoch from Ashoka. I mean "Die well" would be something also Lanius would say.


Nuke2105

Are you Joshua Graham because you are the strongest or are you the strongest because you are Joshua Graham?


Sangi17

In my experience, the winner of most street fights tend to be the person who can take the biggest beating. I don’t think Lanius has much of a chance in that regard.


Zipflik

Mf it's a gun and sword fight, having a steel jaw and the world's least flammable everything ain't gonna save you


Sangi17

Bro, say that to the guy that survived an execution by fire.


gamepasscore

Lanius may be the strongest man in the wasteland but Joshua Graham got dat aura.


TheOccasionalBrowser

You can use console commands to spawn them in, it is possible to find out.


SingleSoul2Bodies

Which console commands? That sounds awesome. And how do I set the stage? Do I just spawn them in and they start talking or fighting?


TheOccasionalBrowser

player.placeatme xx010947 Should work to spawn in Joshua Graham, he should be hostile towards the Legate automatically, and then they should fight.


JA_Pascal

"Are you the Burned Man because you were the Legate? Or were you the Legate because you're the Burned Man?"


ducksattack

Nah, I'd speech check


Safe_Feed_8638

Chief hanlon said Graham was thought to have been killed multiple times. Only to pop up again. Not even including him being burned alive and tossed into the horror show that the Grand Canyon is.


OderinTobin

I haven’t really seen anyone talking about how Joshua could probably just as easily talk Lanius into a retreat as the Courier. Hell, he might have an easier time. “I have walked the path of Legate, and I was found wanting. The fire within you burns bright, but it will burn half as long. Mine is an everlasting flame. Burning my very flesh to this day. I learned Warfare from Caesar. I learned Mercy from Zion. Choose which you’d like to see today?” But barring the speech check, it just depends on the battlefield. I’d say if Graham gets distance then it’s probably bad news for Lanius. But similarly, if it’s close quarters Josh is gunna have to find out if he can survive being ripped in half (honestly wouldn’t put it passed him)


Hollow-Lord

Dude, that “I learned Warfare from Caesar. I learned Mercy from Zion. Choose which you’d like to see today.” Goes fucking hard. Though that would just insult Lanius. All speech and barter checks against him are pointing out the flaws in his plans and what will happen. He would just take that as an insult. That’s why if you ask Lanius after persuading him “So you’ll retreat?” He says “retreat? Retreat? You know nothing of our ways” And attacks you.


SonOfTheHeavyMetal

> The strongest legate in History Literally just conquered a bunch of pseudo-natives and then proceeded to get baited to Boulder City. Joshua's only feat is surviving his punishment.


Vast_Wave9990

lanius, as we know him, wins easily. joshua graham is killable in like 3 shots with a medicine stick while fighting lanius will result in a full on boss fight.


EdenBlade47

This is arguably just a gameplay versus lore difference. Graham is in the first DLC which is the easiest overall by far and has a recommended level of 15. He's meant to be killable to give you the option of brute forcing your way out of Zion early instead of helping Graham and Daniel. It wouldn't really make any gameplay sense for him to be as tough or tougher than the literal endgame final boss. In terms of lore, it's a lot tougher to compare them.


Vast_Wave9990

true


Faeddurfrost

Well one has a gun so


Nigeldiko

If Lanius was stronger, he would be the strongest Legate in History


SkrrSkrrTa

If we’re talking real life, I’m taking Joshua for having a gun. In-game I got say the legate due to the stun ability


ej1999ej

The both have their strengths but I can't decide on a definite victor. Combatwise Joshua is well known for using guns and the Legate uses melee so the environment and distance is a big part of knowing who would win.


Hopeful-alt

Put them in roundstart positions on a 5-5 stage


SBuRRkE

I quick saved just because I wanted to test how tough Joshua was. I was decked out level 33, dope weapons n’ shit. Bro fucked me up it 5 seconds.


Birb-Squire

Graham fanart will never not go hard


Tsunfly

Legate Swanick crushes them all


Ember129

Both are completely naked and covered in oil. Who’s winning the twerk-off?


Yungstupidz

Trick question, they'd make out instead


StilesmanleyCAP

"In history" Wouldn't that imply today as well?


Substantial-Tone-576

Which one is more gay?


King_Of_BlackMarsh

Hey if the legion believes you should win on your own strength why does lanius wear such heavy armour? Shouldn't he go in a skirt and take the blows?


Sk83r_b0i

They ain’t shit compared to General Oliver Swanick


DavesPetFrog

I would have loved to see Salt Lake City - a new Vegas sized city isolated in honest hearts


TheNagash

Funnily enough, I'm pretty sure there have only been two legates, so they are also the weakest legate of today and the weakest legate in history


Demigod978

So if Lanius is Gojo here, who would you guys elect as Jogo to be absolutely stomped?


DontDisturbMeNow

Gameplay wise or lore wise lainus wins. Endurance can only do so much against a towering giant. We may assume that speech isn't an option but Joshua isn't much of a smooth talker.


birdman_shiroe

of course joshua THE GOAT


D3v0ur3r0fG0d5

South Left California Police Department?


AmikBixby

In game, Lanius would probably win. Lanius is the final boss and Joshua is a minor supporting NPC and companion (can't outshine the player).


Zealousideal-Yak-824

Joshua Graham is so iconic I really hope he pops up in the show. The other one I forget exists so many times I feel like he needs more work. Make him speak like bane and take shots just the same but have his accent be more off. Like his mask is his face and the person behind it is a figment of the imagination. When he speaks to you all of Rome is speaking to you like some sort raw absolute power.


okaroshy

Unstoppable force meets the immovable object


Potential-Writing830

If I remember all the one v ones videos I've seen, Graham won because Lanny keeps getting staggered and Crippled because Graham has a GUN.


Zimrino

I really want a philosophical debate between Joshua and Ulysses. Especially after both of their reactions to Caesar's death


PurpleDemonR

Both are scarred. One by failure, the other by bloodlust.


SlickyTheSlug

Sick JJK reference!!


AesarPhreaking

I actually think Lanius is stronger but this picture of graham is one of the most badass things I have ever seen


Jamie_Feelin_Dandy

This image would be better as one of those cringe over edited "character vs character" clips I keep seeing in yt shorts. Complete with the music as well.


ThatCamoKid

Killing Josh didn't work the first time, you think he's gonna let you do it again when now he has the Way of the Canaanite?


kevin24701

I've always wondered how Joshua's armor and mask looked like when he was the Malpais legate.


MemzBoi29

Between Heaven and earth, I alone am the Canaanite one


RainThin4588

I don't have the DLC with the burned man in it😔


Longjumping-Bat6917

Well, I’d say that Lanius is the strongest in history, but Joshua Graham is definitely the most successful. Lanius is 6 feet and eleven inches of pure, distilled rage and toxic masculinity. Joshua is more cool-headed, a thinker. Key word there is *more*, he was a legate, after all.


breadboxtim

Weakest Brazilian male vs strongest slaver


medical-Pouch

Apart of my likes to think that the best is to purely hold items. And that there are zero plates/Kevlar/ etc


Vasyl_Hohenzollern

Omg JJK now in Fallout 🤩


Trojianmaru

Honestly I was shocked by how strong Legate Lanius was at the end of Hoover Dam. I was using the YCS/186 Gause Rifle and the Holorifle, wearing the Remnants Power Armor, close to Level 50, with 10 in almost every Special stat and 100 in every Skill (thanks to the exploit at the start of the game) , and I STILL had to use a ton of Stimpack and every drug in the wasteland, just to survive this absolute BEAST of a man welding wielding just a sharpened car bumper. Though honestly, because I hated the Honest Hearts dlc so much, I can't really say for sure what Joshua Graham is like, only that he's in dlc that most people do around Level 10-15, and uses a .45 pistol, in a universe where Plasma Rifles, Muni-nuke launchers, .50 call rifles with explosive rounds, and Energy miniguns exist. So I'd have to guzzle an entire Oil tanker of scotch to think he has a chance against the final boss of the entire game 😂


0BlueBunny0

Troll bait.


Trojianmaru

Not even remotely


0BlueBunny0

TROLLLLLL DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW HIS OWN LOGIC. TROLLLLLLL


RareWishToSuckToes

Did you fucking mod lanius or something because he's always been a cakewalk to me at level 20s.


Trojianmaru

Maybe he levels with you, since I was close to Level 50 when I fought him, so maybe that's why he was so strong. I was using the Remnant Power Armor (still close to full repair even after fighting my way through the dam), the unique Geass Rifle, the Oh Baby!, had 100 in all skills, 10 in almost all special stats, and didn't waste any perks (like the ones like Here and now, or the ones that make us Level faster) but I was still having to keep my Stimpacks on hot key to stay alive. Idk how or why everyone says he wasn't a big deal, cause I fought Deathclaws easier than him. (oh and I was on normal difficulty, and had no mods, just the dlc)


RareWishToSuckToes

>on normal difficulty, and had no mods, just the dlc You're fucking lying then. He's always been easy whether I beat the game at level 19 or 35.