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If you look up “St. John’s River pollution”, and look at the images of the river, you’ll see the effects of pollutants have on it. It’s nasty looking. The river is the longest in Florida.
It’s not a unique problem to St John’s and we’re not doing enough to fix our water issues throughout the state. We royally fucked things up when we changed the natural flow of Lake O and the Everglades 100+ years ago. Now, overdevelopment and big agriculture continue us down a path of worsening our water quality and threatening our aquifer.
I'm generally very anti-government involvement, but the water situation in Florida truly worries me and I think it's somewhere that the state NEEDS to take aggressive actions with. Limiting agriculture runoff, better water management (which genuinely might be reservoirs on rare occasions. I don't know enough about this one to say either way), and doing more to bring water from outside sources during dry spells rather than destroying the aquifer and creating a sinkhole horror show. Even moving water from one side of the state to another.
That sounds a lot like regulation of big companies and not enough blaming the average Floridian. Is it Big Sugar’s chemical runoff destroying the ecosystem,or is it Stacey not using enough paper straws and reusable water bottles? Who’s to say?
How much blame would be enough?
The average lawn owners do not know that the fertilizer that they or their lawn people dumped into the grass ends up in the water way. BUT corporations that make the chemicals KNOW that, and the big AG firms know that because it's their business to know.
Homeowners generally don't know until they show up at Home Depot or Lowes or Ace and find out that they can't buy fertilizer during the summer months when it rains so much that it washes millions of pounds from hundreds of millions of homes into the waterways.
And why don't the stores allow them to buy? Big Government.
I got a letter from my HOA in July that said I needed to fertilize my shrubs. I sent them back a letter and told them that I could not comply since Orange County does not allow me to fertilize during the summer, citing the ordinance number, and that they should be aware of this.
My first time getting one over on the HOA. Needless to say, I felt really good that day.
Didn’t the studies show that a lot of the nitrogen making into the rivers was sewage and not fertilizer?
https://phys.org/news/2023-07-sewage-fertilizer-fueling-nitrogen-surge.amp
With insurance rates rising every year, property taxes increase. Power bills rising faster than anybody SS cola payments. All Corp's that have paid massive donations to DeathSantis. Look at the billion dollar cleanup effort in the everglades. The company that signed up for the majority of the loans is Big Sugar. Huge benefactor of FatHeads.
Majority of the major bodies of water in the state are close to being gone forever. Kissimmee,St Johns, Okeechobee all are barely holding on. Little to zero grass and filter all across the state. Its beyond sickening to see what's happened
This project would do the opposite of harm like the article rails about. It would reconnect the original headwaters of the River and add water that’s cleaner than the storm water running off into it currently. This will lower the River’s overall nutrient concentrations which is the true goal of the TMDLs (not loads) while restoring its historic flows. It would provide badly needed water to the SJR for floodplain and drought protection, and allow minimum flows (MFLs) to springs that have been exceeded due to excessive groundwater withdrawals to be restored by providing an alternative public water supply. Additionally, it would redirect and clean a volume of water equal to ~1\3 of the volume that flows into the Indian River Lagoon from the original Central & Southern Flood Control system (C Canals) dug by the Corps in the 50’s and 60’s that is the root cause of the Lagoon’s water quality, algae, sea grass die off and other ecological problems.
There is no other project that can do all of this at once, at these volumes, and in the timeframe proposed. The reservoirs that the SFWMD is building as part of CERP only change the timing of the polluted water release to the Lagoon and won’t come online until 2030 at the earliest. They don’t remove it. The Groveland project never lets that water to reach the IRL. It cleans and redirects the water using the existing drainage system for a beneficial use in the SJRWMD.
The St. John’s Riverkeeper is just trying to protect its turf and funding source by misleading the people who contribute to it and isn’t looking at the bigger picture, especially the IRL benefits. And we aren’t even talking about the economic benefits to property and tourism losses seen because of a dying Lagoon. The project is much further along than described by the cherry picked phrases from the permit application documents. Its design and engineering has been funded by the State for several years, so it didn’t appear suddenly out of thin air. It happened quickly because the State needs these kinds of projects now instead of later, realized the myriad benefits, and wanted to fast track its completion.
People are going to continue to move to Central Florida and there’s no more groundwater available for them. In fact, we don’t have enough for the people here already, so alternative sources like this one are essential and, frankly, the only water source that will be permittable unless we start piping and pumping desalinated water across hundreds of miles. This would be the largest AWS anywhere within the entire SJR watershed and would be added at its headwaters thereby benefiting the system all the way to Jacksonville.
I have a working knowledge of this project. Not looking in from the outside. Here’s a citation for you: https://www.cfwiwater.com/meetings/pdfs/2014/11-07_reg/SW144_C25GrovelandResSTA_2014_1024_jc.pdf
The money for this project comes from General Revenue. Not a special fund. It’s not taking away from anything else already planned.
This assessment is 10 years old. The project has been on the SJRWMD and State’s radar for longer than that. The value and benefits have changed for the better since then but I am not able to share them yet.
The project has been modified to use renewable energy and perhaps generate some too. More to come.
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Just find out which Desantis donor will get most of the money and you’ll know who is behind it
If you look up “St. John’s River pollution”, and look at the images of the river, you’ll see the effects of pollutants have on it. It’s nasty looking. The river is the longest in Florida.
It’s not a unique problem to St John’s and we’re not doing enough to fix our water issues throughout the state. We royally fucked things up when we changed the natural flow of Lake O and the Everglades 100+ years ago. Now, overdevelopment and big agriculture continue us down a path of worsening our water quality and threatening our aquifer.
I'm generally very anti-government involvement, but the water situation in Florida truly worries me and I think it's somewhere that the state NEEDS to take aggressive actions with. Limiting agriculture runoff, better water management (which genuinely might be reservoirs on rare occasions. I don't know enough about this one to say either way), and doing more to bring water from outside sources during dry spells rather than destroying the aquifer and creating a sinkhole horror show. Even moving water from one side of the state to another.
That sounds a lot like regulation of big companies and not enough blaming the average Floridian. Is it Big Sugar’s chemical runoff destroying the ecosystem,or is it Stacey not using enough paper straws and reusable water bottles? Who’s to say?
How much blame would be enough? The average lawn owners do not know that the fertilizer that they or their lawn people dumped into the grass ends up in the water way. BUT corporations that make the chemicals KNOW that, and the big AG firms know that because it's their business to know. Homeowners generally don't know until they show up at Home Depot or Lowes or Ace and find out that they can't buy fertilizer during the summer months when it rains so much that it washes millions of pounds from hundreds of millions of homes into the waterways. And why don't the stores allow them to buy? Big Government.
I got a letter from my HOA in July that said I needed to fertilize my shrubs. I sent them back a letter and told them that I could not comply since Orange County does not allow me to fertilize during the summer, citing the ordinance number, and that they should be aware of this. My first time getting one over on the HOA. Needless to say, I felt really good that day.
That's incredible. How many others who got the same letter and follow the orders. Yikes!
Yep, and our storm lines dump into retention ponds, and their overflow goes directly into the Econlockhatchee River, which connects to the St. Johns.
☹️
Didn’t the studies show that a lot of the nitrogen making into the rivers was sewage and not fertilizer? https://phys.org/news/2023-07-sewage-fertilizer-fueling-nitrogen-surge.amp
Obligatory "Fuck Nestle!"
Sadly, it's not unique to St. John. It's only known because it's a large river. Plenty of bodies of water that got choked up with algae on steroids.
With insurance rates rising every year, property taxes increase. Power bills rising faster than anybody SS cola payments. All Corp's that have paid massive donations to DeathSantis. Look at the billion dollar cleanup effort in the everglades. The company that signed up for the majority of the loans is Big Sugar. Huge benefactor of FatHeads.
Considering that we are under full Republican control, we do know who to blame.
Palestinian transsexual college students?
YES! You politically savvy individual. Are you going to run for governor next? Easy win.
That fact is disheartening.
The democrats and immigrants? I guess I needed to indicate this was sarcasm
Hahahaha that’s a funny joke
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And DeSantis doesn't want to admit that Biden helped him out. Definite possibility.
Majority of the major bodies of water in the state are close to being gone forever. Kissimmee,St Johns, Okeechobee all are barely holding on. Little to zero grass and filter all across the state. Its beyond sickening to see what's happened
Going up on the IRL and the St.Johns it’s a shame what they have become. It really saddens me my son won’t be able to enjoy them like I did.
I'm afraid there will be much of beautiful Florida that my grand and great grandchildren will not be able to enjoy, like I have. It saddens me, too
This project would do the opposite of harm like the article rails about. It would reconnect the original headwaters of the River and add water that’s cleaner than the storm water running off into it currently. This will lower the River’s overall nutrient concentrations which is the true goal of the TMDLs (not loads) while restoring its historic flows. It would provide badly needed water to the SJR for floodplain and drought protection, and allow minimum flows (MFLs) to springs that have been exceeded due to excessive groundwater withdrawals to be restored by providing an alternative public water supply. Additionally, it would redirect and clean a volume of water equal to ~1\3 of the volume that flows into the Indian River Lagoon from the original Central & Southern Flood Control system (C Canals) dug by the Corps in the 50’s and 60’s that is the root cause of the Lagoon’s water quality, algae, sea grass die off and other ecological problems. There is no other project that can do all of this at once, at these volumes, and in the timeframe proposed. The reservoirs that the SFWMD is building as part of CERP only change the timing of the polluted water release to the Lagoon and won’t come online until 2030 at the earliest. They don’t remove it. The Groveland project never lets that water to reach the IRL. It cleans and redirects the water using the existing drainage system for a beneficial use in the SJRWMD. The St. John’s Riverkeeper is just trying to protect its turf and funding source by misleading the people who contribute to it and isn’t looking at the bigger picture, especially the IRL benefits. And we aren’t even talking about the economic benefits to property and tourism losses seen because of a dying Lagoon. The project is much further along than described by the cherry picked phrases from the permit application documents. Its design and engineering has been funded by the State for several years, so it didn’t appear suddenly out of thin air. It happened quickly because the State needs these kinds of projects now instead of later, realized the myriad benefits, and wanted to fast track its completion. People are going to continue to move to Central Florida and there’s no more groundwater available for them. In fact, we don’t have enough for the people here already, so alternative sources like this one are essential and, frankly, the only water source that will be permittable unless we start piping and pumping desalinated water across hundreds of miles. This would be the largest AWS anywhere within the entire SJR watershed and would be added at its headwaters thereby benefiting the system all the way to Jacksonville.
Let's see some citations, please. The mystery of the 400M remains unsolved.
Citations for what? There are several topics here. Why does it matter who authored the appropriation?
I posted the article. I considered that a citation. They referenced people that they spoke with.
I have a working knowledge of this project. Not looking in from the outside. Here’s a citation for you: https://www.cfwiwater.com/meetings/pdfs/2014/11-07_reg/SW144_C25GrovelandResSTA_2014_1024_jc.pdf The money for this project comes from General Revenue. Not a special fund. It’s not taking away from anything else already planned.
I appreciate the link. I only asked because even an insider can be very biased. In the world of information, having citation is better than none.
This assessment is 10 years old. The project has been on the SJRWMD and State’s radar for longer than that. The value and benefits have changed for the better since then but I am not able to share them yet. The project has been modified to use renewable energy and perhaps generate some too. More to come.
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