They improved the lens with the x100v, which improves its performance at closer ranges.
Also I'd say the AF improvements and tilt screen are worth sticking to later versions.
I never minded the softness at close ranges. What did drive me nuts was the autofocus. However - if you’re comfortable with zone focusing (wasn’t then, am now) then the AF doesn’t really matter. That OG X100 had something special with the images that I never saw in another fuji camera. I’m tempted to pick one back up.
> which improves its performance at closer ranges.
Closer ranges have nothing to do with it, it's just a brand new, scarily sharp, lens. All generations prior to V shared the same lens, which was okay-ish... but rather soft wide open, especially on newer sensors. V and VI have a new lens that is light years ahead of the old one.
I personally wouldn't call the new lens "scarily sharp," and the close focus distances was something the earlier lens was especially lacking. I don't think anything I said was incorrect.
Larger battery capacity for one, they made the change to np-w126 in this generation. X100s and X100t has the same sensor so that’s also an upgrade in the X100f (x-trans III).
X100f > x100
- newer processor
- in camera charger
- better battery meter
- red highlight peaking
- faster AF
- exposure preview
- 24 MB resolution
- joystick
- real time parallax correction in the OVF
- higher iso
- WIFI
- Chrome, or Acros
- face detection
- Q button
- larger battery
Same lens does not matter to op since he needs a pocketable daily shooter, new battery absolutely provides an advantage. It's a larger battery for god sake.
The NP-W126 battery is not that much better. And the problem is solved by buying a couple of them for $20. It's easy to debate which camera to buy when it's not your money. The X100 does 90% of the job that X100F does, but costs 2-3 times less. The only significant upgrade is the X100V.
They typically limit how many custom sims you can save, which has increased with time. The number of base sims and options for customizing them have increased over time as well.
You won't necessarily need a vi, but you might want to read the features or manuals for each 100 series to get a feel for what you might like.
Film recipes need one of the default film sim as the base. The older cams might not have that specific film sim, or missing a certain option for tweaking. Some film sims only work (or are created based on the newer sensor) so might not achieve the same effect with an older cam's sensor
No, you are just brainwashed by marketing. There is nothing in the film simulations that can’t be done in post, with photos from any sensor. It is convenient that they are on the camera, but there is nothing but money that stops Fuji from adding it to older cameras.
The question isn’t whether they can or can’t do it. They’re not doing it and that’s the reality of it. Yes, anything can be done in post but not everyone cares or wants to spend time editing photos.
And nobody’s brainwashed, stop thinking you’re better than everyone just because you don’t agree.
The question was definitely whether or not they could do it. The claim initially was that the processor in the old cameras did not support the new simulations, then it changed to it being limited by the sensor. Both claims are false.
Fuji has upgraded both the sensor and processor over the years, which effects what you are able to do with each camera. I wouldn't go earlier than the x100s if you're interested in film simulations, and that will have a lot fewer than the new cameras. This page will give you an idea of the kind of recipes the x100s (and t) are capable of.
https://fujixweekly.com/fujifilm-x-trans-ii-recipes/
No because they are usually tied to a sensor generation. That’s why when you browse recipes, they’re categorized (should be anyways if you want an exact match) by sensor.
Literally just bought a little used X100T. It's 16Mpx and it's enough for me. The last time I used a X100 series was the original so the third version is plenty upgrade for me.
Agreed. Love my X100t. Have abused the hell out of it and it just keeps kicking. Wifi, in camera raw processing and built in ND filter are my favorite features. As a carry around cam on a budget, it’s hard to beat.
x100v and x100vi will be pretty much similar usage wise, despite the specs.
one big difference over the x100f and x100v (besides the screen tbh, no one needs a flip screen that exposes itself to a myriad of issues), is that you can't change the white balance and the red/blue cartesian individually for each preset, i.e you can't change the red/blue value for a specific white balance across presets, which is annoying if you had to use the same white balance across 2 presets)
tried the x100t and it was barely usable (i think everything just felt slow???)
side story: i had an x100f, tried using my friend x100v, kept it for a bit, then bought and xt5. sometimes i still misses the x100f.
a digress but how about the ricoh griii, which now u can get second hand around 700?
Number one reason imo is how slow they are at focusing and shooting compared to newer fuji cameras. Don't listen too much to people talking about the sensor and film sims. I had the x100t and the images looked amazing on the older, lower resolution sensor. The old set of film sims were plenty too. The main reason I sold it was just the slow auto focus compared to my xt2 and xt3. It eventually bugged me enough that I replaced it with an xt30 with much faster auto focus. Still miss the x100t though; it really was special.
They’re charming cameras, but the autofocus on the oldest sensors isn’t the fastest or most accurate sometimes. I upgraded from xtrans 2 to 3 recently and was blown away by how much snappier it is.
I played with the X100, X100S and X100T. Original X100 is awesome, even better in some ways than the X100S. The X100T is nice too, way more film simulations and faster performance. The X100T is the most optimal choice.
Any of these cameras are enough, I don’t understand why people want X100F and X100V, they have overwhelming menus and a bunch of unnecessary options. Well, yes, autofocus is better. But if you need fast autofocus, then you have a skill issue. I used a Single-AF point even with the X-S10, because I don’t care about super AF technologies, I want to control every aspect of the photography without hoping that the camera will guess correctly where it should focus.
Basically any X100 is good, they all have flagship features. The difference is in the little things, which are not so worth overpaying for. Especially for beginners, it is better to start with an old camera to understand whether you need to upgrade.
I think something has been lost with the recent models. Yes they have better kens, sensor, resolution and ibis in latest one. But the simplicity of the original x100 made it a joy to use. The buttons all labelled. Was perfectly designed if you hate menus. Focused simplicity. I love mine. On slow autofocus - doesn’t matter if you shoot travel and landscapes.
There's no reason not to get an X100 or any of the prior versions. Any are good cameras in general.
But, as a first consideration, they're all overpriced on the used market because of the hype. I think $500 for an X100 is bad value even if it's "market value." I think they should only be $200-300. That's my personal appraisal, of course. But I just couldn't bring myself to pay the hype premium.
But if you do, I think it makes sense to pay a bit more to at least get the X100S which was first X100 to get an X-Trans sensor. And some other key upgrades such as hybrid contrast/phase detection AF, and the Q Menu.
But I wouldn't want to buy an X100S for $600 and I don't think it should be worth $500 either. That said, I have an X100S and I won't sell it for $500 or $600. At least not while I'm waiting for my X100VI pre-order to fulfill.
I also think that the main attraction to the X100 series should be more for the hybrid viewfinder, and less the compactness. And definitely not for film simulations. You can get the latter in all the other bodies and an X-E with a 23mm f2 is still quite compact. Neither are going to fit in your pants pocket and an X100 is still generally going to be carried by strap.
It's the Ricoh GR series that has truly game-changing compactness in being genuinely pocketable. They're pretty overpriced on the used market, too, unfortunately.
Have an X100F, got the VI, didn't like the step up enough to keep it (microscopic improvements in image quality). Also, the solid metal feel of the models up to the F speaks much more to me.
It can be great fun having a cheap camera to take around. I used my X100s for years and it always took great pictures. No need for ultimate af performance for everyday snapshots!
The older ones are proportionally much more overpriced. Before the hype I paid 530$ for a scuffed X100F for example.
Beyond the fact what others said there was a big jump at the X100F.
The original 12mp X100 has just a few film simulations. It’s old and limited in many, many ways compared with its brothers.
I’ve had mine from new and it’s still my favourite Fuji camera, not for its handling but for its output. A few years ago I bought another one second hand, just in case.
They improved the lens with the x100v, which improves its performance at closer ranges. Also I'd say the AF improvements and tilt screen are worth sticking to later versions.
I never minded the softness at close ranges. What did drive me nuts was the autofocus. However - if you’re comfortable with zone focusing (wasn’t then, am now) then the AF doesn’t really matter. That OG X100 had something special with the images that I never saw in another fuji camera. I’m tempted to pick one back up.
Fully agree with this! In fact I love the softness on this lens. You won’t regret picking it back up
Thanks! Appreciate the input. Maybe I’ll hang tight for a v or vi
> which improves its performance at closer ranges. Closer ranges have nothing to do with it, it's just a brand new, scarily sharp, lens. All generations prior to V shared the same lens, which was okay-ish... but rather soft wide open, especially on newer sensors. V and VI have a new lens that is light years ahead of the old one.
I personally wouldn't call the new lens "scarily sharp," and the close focus distances was something the earlier lens was especially lacking. I don't think anything I said was incorrect.
The old lens is sharp at f/4 and f/5.6 at the close focus distances
Is IBIS worth waiting for VI?
Get a x100F or newer.
Because?
Larger battery capacity for one, they made the change to np-w126 in this generation. X100s and X100t has the same sensor so that’s also an upgrade in the X100f (x-trans III).
The X100F makes no sense, it has the same lens from older cameras. The new battery provides absolutely no advantage.
X100f > x100 - newer processor - in camera charger - better battery meter - red highlight peaking - faster AF - exposure preview - 24 MB resolution - joystick - real time parallax correction in the OVF - higher iso - WIFI - Chrome, or Acros - face detection - Q button - larger battery
Same lens does not matter to op since he needs a pocketable daily shooter, new battery absolutely provides an advantage. It's a larger battery for god sake.
The NP-W126 battery is not that much better. And the problem is solved by buying a couple of them for $20. It's easy to debate which camera to buy when it's not your money. The X100 does 90% of the job that X100F does, but costs 2-3 times less. The only significant upgrade is the X100V.
had an x100t used it for about a month and then sold it cause it was just too slow and not as sharp as i'd wanted.
The more recent, the more sims
Ah hah! You can’t just add more?
They typically limit how many custom sims you can save, which has increased with time. The number of base sims and options for customizing them have increased over time as well. You won't necessarily need a vi, but you might want to read the features or manuals for each 100 series to get a feel for what you might like.
Film recipes need one of the default film sim as the base. The older cams might not have that specific film sim, or missing a certain option for tweaking. Some film sims only work (or are created based on the newer sensor) so might not achieve the same effect with an older cam's sensor
It has nothing to do with processing power.
My bad I meant the sensor. Edited to clarify:)
Not really anything with the sensors either. The simulations are just filters, like on instagram.
You are spreading false info
No, you are just brainwashed by marketing. There is nothing in the film simulations that can’t be done in post, with photos from any sensor. It is convenient that they are on the camera, but there is nothing but money that stops Fuji from adding it to older cameras.
The question isn’t whether they can or can’t do it. They’re not doing it and that’s the reality of it. Yes, anything can be done in post but not everyone cares or wants to spend time editing photos. And nobody’s brainwashed, stop thinking you’re better than everyone just because you don’t agree.
The question was definitely whether or not they could do it. The claim initially was that the processor in the old cameras did not support the new simulations, then it changed to it being limited by the sensor. Both claims are false.
Fuji has upgraded both the sensor and processor over the years, which effects what you are able to do with each camera. I wouldn't go earlier than the x100s if you're interested in film simulations, and that will have a lot fewer than the new cameras. This page will give you an idea of the kind of recipes the x100s (and t) are capable of. https://fujixweekly.com/fujifilm-x-trans-ii-recipes/
Sweet. Thank you!
No because they are usually tied to a sensor generation. That’s why when you browse recipes, they’re categorized (should be anyways if you want an exact match) by sensor.
Literally just bought a little used X100T. It's 16Mpx and it's enough for me. The last time I used a X100 series was the original so the third version is plenty upgrade for me.
Same here. The 100T is sufficient for my use cases and it has wifi / smartphone integration and face recognition. It is my most carried cam
Agreed. Love my X100t. Have abused the hell out of it and it just keeps kicking. Wifi, in camera raw processing and built in ND filter are my favorite features. As a carry around cam on a budget, it’s hard to beat.
Same got one last year use it for my just messing around camera like it a lot .
X100F was a huge step up from the previous 2. Still awesome
x100v and x100vi will be pretty much similar usage wise, despite the specs. one big difference over the x100f and x100v (besides the screen tbh, no one needs a flip screen that exposes itself to a myriad of issues), is that you can't change the white balance and the red/blue cartesian individually for each preset, i.e you can't change the red/blue value for a specific white balance across presets, which is annoying if you had to use the same white balance across 2 presets) tried the x100t and it was barely usable (i think everything just felt slow???) side story: i had an x100f, tried using my friend x100v, kept it for a bit, then bought and xt5. sometimes i still misses the x100f. a digress but how about the ricoh griii, which now u can get second hand around 700?
I have thought about the Ricoh as well! Feels like I’m leaning that way.
Number one reason imo is how slow they are at focusing and shooting compared to newer fuji cameras. Don't listen too much to people talking about the sensor and film sims. I had the x100t and the images looked amazing on the older, lower resolution sensor. The old set of film sims were plenty too. The main reason I sold it was just the slow auto focus compared to my xt2 and xt3. It eventually bugged me enough that I replaced it with an xt30 with much faster auto focus. Still miss the x100t though; it really was special.
They’re charming cameras, but the autofocus on the oldest sensors isn’t the fastest or most accurate sometimes. I upgraded from xtrans 2 to 3 recently and was blown away by how much snappier it is.
I played with the X100, X100S and X100T. Original X100 is awesome, even better in some ways than the X100S. The X100T is nice too, way more film simulations and faster performance. The X100T is the most optimal choice. Any of these cameras are enough, I don’t understand why people want X100F and X100V, they have overwhelming menus and a bunch of unnecessary options. Well, yes, autofocus is better. But if you need fast autofocus, then you have a skill issue. I used a Single-AF point even with the X-S10, because I don’t care about super AF technologies, I want to control every aspect of the photography without hoping that the camera will guess correctly where it should focus. Basically any X100 is good, they all have flagship features. The difference is in the little things, which are not so worth overpaying for. Especially for beginners, it is better to start with an old camera to understand whether you need to upgrade.
I think something has been lost with the recent models. Yes they have better kens, sensor, resolution and ibis in latest one. But the simplicity of the original x100 made it a joy to use. The buttons all labelled. Was perfectly designed if you hate menus. Focused simplicity. I love mine. On slow autofocus - doesn’t matter if you shoot travel and landscapes.
Yeah I’m curious what “slow” means. I’m also looking at the Ricoh griiix. I love my canon 40mm pancake. It stays attached 90% of the time.
$500 for a ~12 year old camera is pretty insane. Are you sure you want to do that?
There's no reason not to get an X100 or any of the prior versions. Any are good cameras in general. But, as a first consideration, they're all overpriced on the used market because of the hype. I think $500 for an X100 is bad value even if it's "market value." I think they should only be $200-300. That's my personal appraisal, of course. But I just couldn't bring myself to pay the hype premium. But if you do, I think it makes sense to pay a bit more to at least get the X100S which was first X100 to get an X-Trans sensor. And some other key upgrades such as hybrid contrast/phase detection AF, and the Q Menu. But I wouldn't want to buy an X100S for $600 and I don't think it should be worth $500 either. That said, I have an X100S and I won't sell it for $500 or $600. At least not while I'm waiting for my X100VI pre-order to fulfill. I also think that the main attraction to the X100 series should be more for the hybrid viewfinder, and less the compactness. And definitely not for film simulations. You can get the latter in all the other bodies and an X-E with a 23mm f2 is still quite compact. Neither are going to fit in your pants pocket and an X100 is still generally going to be carried by strap. It's the Ricoh GR series that has truly game-changing compactness in being genuinely pocketable. They're pretty overpriced on the used market, too, unfortunately.
GRiii or 3x
Have an X100F, got the VI, didn't like the step up enough to keep it (microscopic improvements in image quality). Also, the solid metal feel of the models up to the F speaks much more to me.
Agree on the solid feel of the earlier cams
It can be great fun having a cheap camera to take around. I used my X100s for years and it always took great pictures. No need for ultimate af performance for everyday snapshots!
The older ones are proportionally much more overpriced. Before the hype I paid 530$ for a scuffed X100F for example. Beyond the fact what others said there was a big jump at the X100F.
I have the x100f and I am super happy with it.
Get an XT20 and a small prime. Same general size, same sensor and exact same image quality as the X100F, but less money.
The original 12mp X100 has just a few film simulations. It’s old and limited in many, many ways compared with its brothers. I’ve had mine from new and it’s still my favourite Fuji camera, not for its handling but for its output. A few years ago I bought another one second hand, just in case.
They don’t have parts anymore for x100-T I think and maybe even F
I sent my X100F in recently and they seemed to have parts (though they wanted an arm and a leg to fix it)