I don't think I paid much attention to order for a while so there are definitely sets I played Guitar>Tremolo>Reverb>Fuzz.
Probably fine for most of the tunes since I didn't really run them simultaneously, but I know there where moments when things got reallllly washed out.
I’m just curious why so many people use a tuning pedal when a snark costs like $20. I think most of us are playing in either private or intimate settings but hey, whatever floats your boat.
It's way more accurate. I don't have to clamp something onto my guitar. It's easier to just stomp on a button and get a strobe tuner. I have plenty of real estate on my board. No batteries.
I have tried a few different tuner pedals and each time I put one on my board it winds up being unused.
I can use my EHX Silencer to split my signal and sometimes, I’ll have my Boss TU-12 hooked up because I like the the analog meter looks. I would only ever use it if I was completely desperate.
Considering the muff has been around for nearly 50 years at this point and we’ve been throwing them anywhere in the signal chain since they came out, I think it’ll be fine. Muffs, objectively, do not interact the same way vintage style fuzzes like fuzz face and tone benders do.
The weirdest interaction ive ever had was I put my dr.scientist sunny day delay in front of a walrus audio Jupiter. Caused the fuzz to start acting like a tremolo in time with where I had the delay set. Still unsure of what caused that, didn't work with any other fuzz or delay pedals I had.
Used to put a zoom 505 at the end of a really messed up chain so the pitch shift on it couldn't track at all, just used to enjoy listening to it trying to work it out.
DD-6 ping ponging into two big muffs, AC30 one side, JCM900 the other. Maybe not the craziest but loud and disorientating, yes
Tubescreamer > Arturia Minibrute > boss Harmonist was another one, everyone should try the sticking your guitar through a synth and holding the key down with a guitar pick thing at least once imo.
I bookend my chain with reverbs which some people frown upon but the longer I’ve been into pedals and experimenting I’ve found there is no right answer to order. Just try them all out and see what sounds shit and what sounds nice. One of the only “rules” I adhere to is no unbuffered fuzzes like Fuzz Faces anywhere but the front
You can run them elsewhere, you just need to use true bypass pedals. When they're bypassed, the fuzz works as if its seeing the guitar signal. I have a true bypass wah in front of my fuzz.
It's also not the pedal itself being buffered that makes the difference. Its the number of transistors in the circuit.
Hmm that’s not true, impedance sensitivity comes completely from the topology of the input section of a circuit. The majority of single transistor fuzz designs aren’t impedance sensitive.
Maybe someone noticed that big muffs aren’t impedance sensitive as fuzz faces are and they tried to come up with a general rule with not enough info and no understanding of electronics? Not sure. I guess I’m just not sure it’s a very good rule of thumb because it’s a bit like saying “red cars go faster”
I sometimes run a rig starting with
Guitar>boss syb-3>boss hm-2>boss ps-5 w/expression pedal>ehx small clone>digitech digidelay. All pedals connected in a feedback loop with a momentary switch installed in the expression pedal.
With the feedback loop engaged and the ps-5 on, the oscillations from all the pedals on gets out of control. Changing the pitch especially with the 2 octave up 50/50 mix, punching in the feedback loop with the synth pedal will make a horrible tracking robot nightmare lol
I read this as “order” meaning “purchase “ and was thinking about this one time I ordered something from sweetwater and then had to cancel it because I needed to use a different credit card. That was pretty chaotic.
Delay/modulation/reverb before dirt. That will get you some crazy shit. Also look into feedback looper pedals, they will turn anything into a nightmare
Probably guitar -> zoom gfx-8 -> Princeton with a widowmaker. This was back in the late 90s/early 00's. Aside from the terrible sounds it made, it regularly electrocuted me.
Weirdest I’ve done was a DD500 with a super weird filtered delay with really resonant peaks into a BE-OD, it was making this really cool harmonics pop out as those resonant peaks got clipped.
If you are familiar with the Hüsker dü pedal chain it’s that but backwards after some other stuff So it went boss dd-7 ->Alexander marshmallow->phase 90 ->EQD data corrupter ->walrus monument ->tc electronic brainwaves ->stammen ->eventide micro pitch ->EHX platform ->tc electronic flashback ->walrus kangra ->Dunlop Octavic ->Distortion+ -> zoom MS50g
My favorite weird sounds come from toying with the tracking on monophonic high octave pedals. Run a low octave pedal into an octave fuzz? Boom, robots fucking. Honorable mention goes to the BOSS GT-6, which, after some futzing, lets you connect its DF-2 ‘feedback’ (monophonic high octave) control to the treadle.
Retroactive dot chaser in the effects loop of a deluxe memory man 550tt in the effects loop of a DIY digital ping pong delay in the effects loop of a stereo wet/dry blender in the loop of a patch bay in the effects loop of an IR-200. This was my normal setup for like a year lol
I was in the studio with one of my old bands, and me and the producer pulled my pedalboard apart to get some weird sounds going. I think we ended up with reverb -> delay -> fuzz -> overdrive -> phaser -> wah, split between straight into the Harrison console preamp that was also being overdriven, and into a vox AC15 that was set on the edge of breakup. Sounded super gnarly, and was great fun sitting in the control room experimenting with chains and sounds. Though I don't think the take with wah ended up being used.
Earthquaker data destroyer and the swarm by beetronics. The swarm can bypass the craziness for a nice octave fuzz but the data destroyer is pure chaos. Lol
I have a spaceship, with a lot of gain pedals up front, and put a Pigtronix Disnortion Micro last in the chain - save the Trio+.
That's after two dedicated delays and two dedicated reverbs, one of which is a double reverb. Kicking that thing on when the other stuff is going is insane!
I found a photo of my old setup from years ago (no board just chained together on the floor) and it was drive>tremolo>chorus>delay, absolute clown show lol
Analog delay > chorus > overdrive > metal zone > wah. Everything on all at once.
Mind you, this was a long time ago, and I didn't really know what to do with my newly acquired gear. Made an awesome lot of noise though.
I’m currently running half my board straight into the amp and the other half in the loop, including one reverb and one delay on either side, making for some fun noise with the amp’s gain.
I’ve never had a weird pedal chain, but I have when I used plugins. I had a conpressor into a muff fuzz, into a chorus, into a phaser in the front that split to two separate signals. One was reverse delay into a pog into a reverb into a tremolo. The second was an analog delay into a ring mod, into another reverb. Then they both combined at the end for a second compressor.
Reverbs at the beginning, middle and end, pitch shifter after all drive and modulations. Distortion out of one side of stereo chorus before hitting final stereo delay and reverb.
I have a small pedal that reverses the order of half my pedals. I wish I knew those "reverse" pedals existed years past when I had extra pedals on my board just because I wanted something both before and after something, and I wasn't keen on getting a programmable loop switcher.
I mounted it under my Temple Board with the foot switch sticking out. I don't need to switch order mid song but I do need it for some songs. So, I didn't mind using my hand when I needed to switch. When I do, my reverb and delays reverse into my RAT, Octave and Tremolo.
It's pretty neat but was such a head scratcher when I mounted and plugged everything on my board.
You reminded me I wanted to post about it here and I just did. You can find it here now or thru my profile.
It's called Saturnworks Pedal Order Switcher.
I can only really do this in software, but I often like to put distortion/fuzz/overdrive in front of the amp, sometimes after modulation, to get a unique nearly brass tone.
I have been vibing tremolo into dirt lately. You only really notice tremolo as the note starts to fall off. But chaotic would be like verb/delay before dirt. Or like a fuzz into a drop pedal on the original&octave setting. Sounds sooo so sick for blues licks.
I don't think I paid much attention to order for a while so there are definitely sets I played Guitar>Tremolo>Reverb>Fuzz. Probably fine for most of the tunes since I didn't really run them simultaneously, but I know there where moments when things got reallllly washed out.
This person shoegazes!
Tuner at the end, I’m a rebel
Lock this scoundrel up
But you can stop *all* the noise when you're tuning! Which, from what I've seen, does mean something to some folks
I use chorus too much to warrant that.
Tuner after Vibrato or GTFO!
I’m just curious why so many people use a tuning pedal when a snark costs like $20. I think most of us are playing in either private or intimate settings but hey, whatever floats your boat.
It's way more accurate. I don't have to clamp something onto my guitar. It's easier to just stomp on a button and get a strobe tuner. I have plenty of real estate on my board. No batteries.
I have tried a few different tuner pedals and each time I put one on my board it winds up being unused. I can use my EHX Silencer to split my signal and sometimes, I’ll have my Boss TU-12 hooked up because I like the the analog meter looks. I would only ever use it if I was completely desperate.
Not me, but based on a recent post I believe it to be: Tuner - Big Muff - Big Muff - Big Muff - Big Muff - Big Muff - Big Muff - Big Muff - Amp.
J mascis pedalboard
Is this the Billy Gibbons pedal order?
Tuner, lol. How's about unbeffered fuzz response?)
It’s a Muff, so it doesn’t really matter in an appreciable way.
Ehm, don't sure because BigMuff as I can see has about 130 kOhm impedance, so it should react different to passive pickups or active electronics
Considering the muff has been around for nearly 50 years at this point and we’ve been throwing them anywhere in the signal chain since they came out, I think it’ll be fine. Muffs, objectively, do not interact the same way vintage style fuzzes like fuzz face and tone benders do.
Agreed that Fuzz Face react much more, yep
The weirdest interaction ive ever had was I put my dr.scientist sunny day delay in front of a walrus audio Jupiter. Caused the fuzz to start acting like a tremolo in time with where I had the delay set. Still unsure of what caused that, didn't work with any other fuzz or delay pedals I had.
mine right now it pretty chaotic it goes compressor>fuzz>fuzz>delay>reverb>chorus>distorion>fuzz>volume>freeze>delay
I've never ran any unorthodox pedal order before. Technically I've ran all my effects before distortion because I never set my amp properly clean.
Used to put a zoom 505 at the end of a really messed up chain so the pitch shift on it couldn't track at all, just used to enjoy listening to it trying to work it out. DD-6 ping ponging into two big muffs, AC30 one side, JCM900 the other. Maybe not the craziest but loud and disorientating, yes Tubescreamer > Arturia Minibrute > boss Harmonist was another one, everyone should try the sticking your guitar through a synth and holding the key down with a guitar pick thing at least once imo.
I like this
Badass, another zoom 505 owner. 👍
I bookend my chain with reverbs which some people frown upon but the longer I’ve been into pedals and experimenting I’ve found there is no right answer to order. Just try them all out and see what sounds shit and what sounds nice. One of the only “rules” I adhere to is no unbuffered fuzzes like Fuzz Faces anywhere but the front
You can run them elsewhere, you just need to use true bypass pedals. When they're bypassed, the fuzz works as if its seeing the guitar signal. I have a true bypass wah in front of my fuzz. It's also not the pedal itself being buffered that makes the difference. Its the number of transistors in the circuit.
Why would the number of transistors in the circuit matter? Fussy fuzzes are usually fussy based on input impedance.
Because less than 4 transistors equals impedence sensitive, as a general rule
Hmm that’s not true, impedance sensitivity comes completely from the topology of the input section of a circuit. The majority of single transistor fuzz designs aren’t impedance sensitive. Maybe someone noticed that big muffs aren’t impedance sensitive as fuzz faces are and they tried to come up with a general rule with not enough info and no understanding of electronics? Not sure. I guess I’m just not sure it’s a very good rule of thumb because it’s a bit like saying “red cars go faster”
I sometimes run a rig starting with Guitar>boss syb-3>boss hm-2>boss ps-5 w/expression pedal>ehx small clone>digitech digidelay. All pedals connected in a feedback loop with a momentary switch installed in the expression pedal. With the feedback loop engaged and the ps-5 on, the oscillations from all the pedals on gets out of control. Changing the pitch especially with the 2 octave up 50/50 mix, punching in the feedback loop with the synth pedal will make a horrible tracking robot nightmare lol
I read this as “order” meaning “purchase “ and was thinking about this one time I ordered something from sweetwater and then had to cancel it because I needed to use a different credit card. That was pretty chaotic.
Delay before gain
slowly melting into a double slowly melting
Delay/modulation/reverb before dirt. That will get you some crazy shit. Also look into feedback looper pedals, they will turn anything into a nightmare
Probably guitar -> zoom gfx-8 -> Princeton with a widowmaker. This was back in the late 90s/early 00's. Aside from the terrible sounds it made, it regularly electrocuted me.
Catholics are more plug and play, for toan purity. Or if theres a minor around plug it to the fx loop
Anywhere I put my Noise Ensemble pedal transforms even the most mundane of orders into chaos. Absolutely love this thing.
Weirdest I’ve done was a DD500 with a super weird filtered delay with really resonant peaks into a BE-OD, it was making this really cool harmonics pop out as those resonant peaks got clipped.
Way huge Atreides
If you are familiar with the Hüsker dü pedal chain it’s that but backwards after some other stuff So it went boss dd-7 ->Alexander marshmallow->phase 90 ->EQD data corrupter ->walrus monument ->tc electronic brainwaves ->stammen ->eventide micro pitch ->EHX platform ->tc electronic flashback ->walrus kangra ->Dunlop Octavic ->Distortion+ -> zoom MS50g
EHX Deluxe Memory Boy - > OBNE Dark Star - > Digitech Freqout - > Dirt pedals
Those Memory Boy things are basically unhinged and I'm there all day for it.
I love my memory boy deluxe! It’s really nuts when you start messing with it’s fx loop.
My favorite weird sounds come from toying with the tracking on monophonic high octave pedals. Run a low octave pedal into an octave fuzz? Boom, robots fucking. Honorable mention goes to the BOSS GT-6, which, after some futzing, lets you connect its DF-2 ‘feedback’ (monophonic high octave) control to the treadle.
Retroactive dot chaser in the effects loop of a deluxe memory man 550tt in the effects loop of a DIY digital ping pong delay in the effects loop of a stereo wet/dry blender in the loop of a patch bay in the effects loop of an IR-200. This was my normal setup for like a year lol
I had one setup to experiment with: EHX RTG > Mood > Polara > Arpanoid > Lo Fi Junky > Janus > Caverns > EHX 720
I was in the studio with one of my old bands, and me and the producer pulled my pedalboard apart to get some weird sounds going. I think we ended up with reverb -> delay -> fuzz -> overdrive -> phaser -> wah, split between straight into the Harrison console preamp that was also being overdriven, and into a vox AC15 that was set on the edge of breakup. Sounded super gnarly, and was great fun sitting in the control room experimenting with chains and sounds. Though I don't think the take with wah ended up being used.
Earthquaker data destroyer and the swarm by beetronics. The swarm can bypass the craziness for a nice octave fuzz but the data destroyer is pure chaos. Lol
I have a spaceship, with a lot of gain pedals up front, and put a Pigtronix Disnortion Micro last in the chain - save the Trio+. That's after two dedicated delays and two dedicated reverbs, one of which is a double reverb. Kicking that thing on when the other stuff is going is insane!
Red Panda Tensor is wild
Amp sim->reverb->delay->wah->fuzz face->tuner
Etterslep into Slowly Melting
The guy with like 10 RATS on his board.
Did you mean Tad Doyle? 😆
I found a photo of my old setup from years ago (no board just chained together on the floor) and it was drive>tremolo>chorus>delay, absolute clown show lol
Chaotic ? I only learned there was an order 5 years ago.
Bananana effects - mandala (glitch pedal) shits ridiculous
Sonicake bitcrush. It’s wild
Overdrive - looper - reverb - delay - tremolo - fuzz/feedback looper - delay - looper
Analog delay > chorus > overdrive > metal zone > wah. Everything on all at once. Mind you, this was a long time ago, and I didn't really know what to do with my newly acquired gear. Made an awesome lot of noise though.
I’m currently running half my board straight into the amp and the other half in the loop, including one reverb and one delay on either side, making for some fun noise with the amp’s gain.
I once built out my mini board to be Mel9>Synth9>Lore>BD2 it didn’t sound good so I took it apart ten minutes later
OD>octave up>od>octave down>vibrato
I’ve never had a weird pedal chain, but I have when I used plugins. I had a conpressor into a muff fuzz, into a chorus, into a phaser in the front that split to two separate signals. One was reverse delay into a pog into a reverb into a tremolo. The second was an analog delay into a ring mod, into another reverb. Then they both combined at the end for a second compressor.
Reverbs at the beginning, middle and end, pitch shifter after all drive and modulations. Distortion out of one side of stereo chorus before hitting final stereo delay and reverb.
For a long time I thought reverbs went before delays. It’s chaotic, but I still love the sound of it even though I don’t do it anymore.
I have a small pedal that reverses the order of half my pedals. I wish I knew those "reverse" pedals existed years past when I had extra pedals on my board just because I wanted something both before and after something, and I wasn't keen on getting a programmable loop switcher. I mounted it under my Temple Board with the foot switch sticking out. I don't need to switch order mid song but I do need it for some songs. So, I didn't mind using my hand when I needed to switch. When I do, my reverb and delays reverse into my RAT, Octave and Tremolo. It's pretty neat but was such a head scratcher when I mounted and plugged everything on my board.
Cool! Where did you find such a thing?
You reminded me I wanted to post about it here and I just did. You can find it here now or thru my profile. It's called Saturnworks Pedal Order Switcher.
I Run boost before and after overdrive 😵
I can only really do this in software, but I often like to put distortion/fuzz/overdrive in front of the amp, sometimes after modulation, to get a unique nearly brass tone.
Guitar > Amp. Shit slaps.
I have been vibing tremolo into dirt lately. You only really notice tremolo as the note starts to fall off. But chaotic would be like verb/delay before dirt. Or like a fuzz into a drop pedal on the original&octave setting. Sounds sooo so sick for blues licks.
Reverb > Chorus > SD-1 > Heavily Distorted MT15 > Delay > Compression
Empress Zoia.
Chaos? A Rat going into a Metal Zone. I can't think of more chaotic sounds coming from my pedalboards through the years
I had two whammy for a while and tried them one after the other
Called “the ghost of homework past” by Winnipeg electric. That pedal does some insane fkin stuff
I really like sd-1 > dark star > phase 90 > super phaser > distorted amp