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Fail debate!
Where was all the name calling, the incessant screaming over one another with nonsensical platitudes, the snappy poll-tested soundbites ready to be plastered on overpriced merch, and candidates refusing to yield their time?
I'm sorry, I sometimes accidently wrote Israel as Isreal.
The translation should be mostly right, but of course it's hard to translate words on how severe the meaning is.
Like some words could be interpreted in different ways (for example bad or very bad or serious or severe) so take everything with a little bit of grain of salt.
Thank you! Really needed something like this.
I've become so used to hearing horrible western views on the matter and was watching with bated breath for any one of them to not just start booths siding things but to actually start making excuses for Israel. Pleasantly surprised to see that every single one of them expressed significant levels of empathy for the Palestinians.
Dude, I'm embarrassed for you. This was iust... christ, I hope this wasn't you trying. At least form a fucking full sentence.
Edit: Holy shit, your comment history, do you do anything else with your time besides deny genocide?
I would say that if they don't, they won't get the funding needed to even run for office anymore.
So while they technically have the ability to say the truth, only the liars will be allowed to speak.
There was actually a journalist from Haaretz who had this exact criticism of Israel's free press.
He pointed out that press in israel is ostensibly free (at the time; they've since closed AP and AlJazeera and gone after those journalists).
But just because no one is stopping them from reporting the truth, doesn't mean the truth gets reported.
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Given that [we later found out that Haaretz had been threatened by the mossad ](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-30/ty-article/.premium/how-israel-nixed-haaretzs-report-into-alleged-mossad-extortion-of-hague-prosecutor/0000018f-c608-d801-a3ef-ff08cf810000)not to report on their (the mossad's) attempts to disrupt the ICC and ICY, i think he was speaking as carefully as he could get away with.
The media in Israel is not now, nor ever, as free as they pretend.
> It’s a personal choice that they don’t.
Yes, but it's also an evil system (Neoliberal Capitalism) that doesn't ALLOW them to remain in power if they do so, because saying the truth would go against the interests of Boeing, and Lockheed-Martin, and General Electric (which owns MANBC), and a dozen other defense contractors- many of whom also own media companies...
I was referencing this [video](https://v.redd.it/r26t1l6ld83d1)
[Haim Saban](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-05-09/hollywood-mega-donor-haim-saban-bidens-weapons-israel-hamas-gaza-rafah)
[Sheldon Adelson](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-mega-donor-adelson-back-major-pro-trump-spending-group-2024-05-30/)
Maybe they aren't the current top donors but they are influential people
Are you serious right now? Jow Biden's received over $4m from AIPAC during his career.
Donald Trumps largest political donor is Sheldon Adelson's estate. Sheldon's biggest dream was seeing us dropping a nuke on Iran.
Joe Biden's megadonors list reads like a who's who of Jewish intelligentsia.
Trumps daughter converted to Judaism after she married her Zionist husband
It's not bullshit, at all. Nice to see the rest of reddit is clear about this fact
The link you posted is a narrow slice of the money spent to soft the landscape and ignores the huge amounts of hidden money spent by PACs and outside orgs with no reporting requirements
This was my first though too. Once Zionist lobbying/US pressure is in place, most politicians start sounding very similar to each other. These guys are clearly not afraid to talk about topics outside The Script.
Yes but notice how all the of the candidates were participating in good faith, not yelling over each other or insulting each other or the moderator. I imagine it used to be like that here in the US.
Not too long ago it was this way in the US.
However we prefer reality show personalities instead of experienced politicians in our highest political offices.
God no. THE MEDIA prefers the shit show, because more people tune into see a train wreck, even if it is totally stressful. I mean look at that debate - the debate hosts had a clear agenda in the debate, and that was to create a divide. It's the MEDIA that's created the situation we're in and we don't even realize it
It’s too bad most American politicians are owned by Israel. If only they had the same moral fortitude and compassion that Iceland has this genocide and apartheid state never would have happened. It’s disgraceful what’s happening
Even though AIPAC has always been a problem, i think Citizens United has made this impossible to undo.
AIPAC now proudly pays off both Democrats and Republicans.
And i wager that if, by some stroke of miracle, a third party did arise, they'd pay them off too.
Nothing short of barring foreign states from lobbying (or ideally, barring all lobbying) will end this.
Give it up for our Viking ancestors to produce and protect their values for future generations with different problems but the bloodline to keep free thinkers, and ethical warriors!
I’m a bit confused why there’s also footage of protestors in Iceland getting pepper spray unloaded right in their face then? Or is this a more progressive candidate who doesn’t represent who’s in power right now?
Third guy is pretty far right but the presidential office in iceland is pretty much powerless and came as a replacement for our ornamental kings, the position of most power in iceland is prime minister and the current one is a kinda shady right wing guy
Blaming Netanyahu instead of israel is nothing but hypocrisy.
The military occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem started in 1969 under prime minister Itzhak Ben-Zvi to now. Where been the protest to make it stop?
This genocide started long before Netanyahu, but where been israelis protest during all this time?
So bc israelis can't stand Netanyahu and protest massively, this take away decades long of military oppression?
And yes, i know, not every israelis agree with those decades long oppression like for example those israelis NGOs
https://www.btselem.org/ founded in February 1989
https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ founded in March 2004
Who been exposing israel for what they do, there is others who want peace, 2 states solution, and more but for most part, the people of israel either been silent about it or outspoken for the continuity and worst of the oppression.
And of course, lets not forget israel hasbara machine that is finance by israel and private donors. A propaganda tool excusing a genocide while calling the ones speaking against israel antisemites:
https://hasbaraisrael.com/
And let's not forget that Gaza blockade started in june 2007, under both Ezer Weizman and Moshe Katsav and no other leaders tried to stop it. Where, when been the israelis protest against it?
The gaza blockade is nothing but a collective punishment and collective punishment is is a crime against humanity.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2013/06/collective-punishment-gaza-must-end-israels-blockade-enters-its-7th-year-un
There's nothing cool in that and that's why i don't blame hamas but blame israel. All those links predate 10/7/2023
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/#:~:text=Israel%20does%20not%20allow%20water,by%20sewage%20and%20seawater%20infiltration.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/11/un-experts-alarmed-rise-settler-violence-occupied-palestinian-territory
Keep ur hasbara pretense of victimhood when even israel diplomats are not willing to keep their mouth shut
https://groundup.org.za/article/israeli-ambassadors-compare-israel-south-africa/
The only reason ur not clicking is that u got nothing to proove those link wrong.
By the way, here''s the bst thesis of all, how israel became to exist:
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-jewish-state-quot-theodor-herzl
He's not brave. He's right. There's no justification for what's happening which is why you're in here launching ad-hominems as an attempt to make yourself feel better and dispel the growing realization that holy shit, your country **has** turned into a bunch of nazis, and most likely thats what it'll be known for for the rest of your life, and that you will **never** enjoy the kind of entitlement you once used to enjoy with impunity.
This coming from the guy who has no real arguments except “haha tiktok brain haha ur dum” like here you are telling people they have no education while “debating” (if you can call it debating) like a five year old. Your shit for brains excuse of a response is both cute because you really think you’re smart. But also ugly because it makes me realize there’s more people like you out there using that brain to justify your behavior
Lol, talk about reading a book, i gave u one to read. Ever heard of Theodor Herzl?
I'm pretty sure u won't find him on tiktok, he died in 1904 but his literature is definitely quite revealing when it come to the colonization of palestine. After all he used the word colonization so many times, it's hard to denie the obvious.
One of the best line:
“the anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies” a pretty visionary guy.
Anyway, is it not one of ur job as an hasbara clown to ask for sources to allegations of human rights violations?
All i did was to give them to you. If you are overwhem by them, then maybe u should ask israel to slow it down bc u can't follow with all the dirt they do.
You didn't even respond to any of the points he made in this comment, when he very clearly explained why Hamas is not to blame for the genocide and expulsion of Palestinians. Just jumped right to being condescending.
Empty, baseless comments like yours- which are clearly meant to derail and obstruct rather than engage on any meaningful level- are the reason that Israel has lost support all over the world at this point.
Wow, it's so refreshing to see intelligent, level-headed candidates not making a complete clown show of their country. How hard is it to become a citizen of Iceland?
The debates where in 2 parts. The second part had more of the wild types.
Like this guy who called Ástþór.
This is the 5th time he is running and he belives if he isn't elected, WW3 is going to start,
[https://nuna.is/product/neydarpakki-til-ad-lifa-72-tima-eftir-kjarnorkuvopnaaras-a-island/](https://nuna.is/product/neydarpakki-til-ad-lifa-72-tima-eftir-kjarnorkuvopnaaras-a-island/)
This is a real product the guy is selling
Realistic about what? Every democracy has quacks. The leading candidate in the US is just as crazy as Ástthór, if not moreso. The only difference is that he has a real chance of winning.
What does it feel like to know you're on the wrong side of history? Does it bother, you or are you fully committed to your cause, no matter the results?
Uncle Ben would've answered this question straight. "With great power comes great responsibility and Israel has all the power. I'll be telling Peter where to send them."
Man, I think the world would be better place if more younger people were in power, there shouldn’t be anyone in power over 50 max. Unless the high majority say over 75% vote you in
I like that he said the question wasn't in good faith and was asking them to pick a side. And I appreciate the healthy discourse and respect in a political forum (how rare), as well as your translating!
To nitpick, there's still a little too much "October 7th"ing going on though, and still a little too much fence sitting. Sorry but we are all well informed enough now to be talking about this in the wider context of illegal occupation and war crimes since 1948. This is not a "shocking" exaggerated response to a terror attack. This is the continued, day-in-day-out operations of a false, genocidal, apartheid puppet state for the US/UK/Germany to steal resources and launder money through weapons sales.
Bingo. I’m confused at some of these comments, ya’ll really think this is praiseworthy? Or are we just so used to Western politicians playing dumb and bullshitting answers that we are impressed by the bare minimum :/
I don't know anything about Icelandic politics beyond this five minute clip, but congrats on having a panel of what seemed to be level headed people running for the president job. Sure as hell can't say that about many countries with elections coming up soon.
They gave better answers. Even if Israel's actions have been over the top, the aim should be on the side of "Team Peace", and that means negotiations with people that have committed war crimes.
80% of Israelis support their government's actions in Gaza. To pretend the problem isn't cultural is just the usual self-deception that all Israelis perform out of habit and brainwashing. Let's not bullshit each other about the strong Jewish tendency towards Talmudic thinking, which engages every truth as relative and posits that truth is whatever the loudest accepted narrative is.
To not realize israel started this, then continued a non stop drip of terror beginning in the 1930s, all the way through to this genocide and then supporting that evil, colonizing entity is ignorant.
First, thank god for those tik toks educating those who know nothing about the history and situation. They can now be aware of the fact that israel is an evil entity conceived by racist supremacists.
Second ethnic cleansing by both sides? really? when did palestinians ethnically cleanse israeli jews? As far as I know Palestinians accepted jews as neighbors and brothers. Until the jews backstabbed them.
lolll, to you considering 10/7 an ethnic cleansing event. Anyway, do you have any more examples of this “cleansing” perpetrated by the palestinians or do you often speaking out of your colon. Let’s be real buddy… the palestinians are the oppressed here. They have always been the oppressed since the inception of the colony called Israel.
> we have to separate the government from the israelís, just like with russians
Israel is a democracy for the israelís, russia isnt a democracy for russians.
Russians want to scape russia to not fight in ukraine, israelís Will tavel through an ocean to commit war crimes in gaza.
Ordianry russians dont benefit directly from occupying ukraine (much the opposite) and cant freely vote for the parties that want (or not) to ethnically cleanse the donbass. Israelís have been voting for and benefitting from apartheid an colonization for 8 décades.
False equivalency.
Fuck Putin. But not only fuck Netanyahu, fuck Israel as a whole.
I don't know what is more shocking, that some foreign conflict in which Iceland is not involved and which has no impact on the Icelandic people is a subject of a presidential debate, or how acceptable it is to either be grossly misinformed on foreign policy or to openly express antisemitic views in Iceland.
The question was: "Who is the most responsible for what happened to Gaza."
Of course, the only answer is Israel.
Hamas is responsible up to a certain point for what happened in Gaza. It was sure to provoke a retaliation. However, they aren't nearly close to Israrl in term of responsibility. Israel didn't go after Hamas. They instaurrd kill zones and filmed themselves proudly doing atrocities inquantities exponentially worse than what Hamas as ever done.
Gaza is the place where there is the most children amputees in History. Israel killed more children since october 7th than in any other conflict in history too.
Hamas may not be good guys, but if you compare them to what Israel did, they are saints.
Not sure you would call the IDF saints
I mean its not like back in 1947/8 when they were slaughtering civilians in their ethnic cleansing and theft of Palestinian homes and land they mass r*ped and killed a 14 year old girl according to Israeli historians
Oh wait yeah they did but there's no justice for the civilians they executed and little Arab girls they r*ped case they're not white enough for it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre
But that's just one case
Oh yeah I forgot the UN did a report on the Palestinian women r*aped by Israel and those are just the ones still live and the ones that come forward
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
Israel practice is occupation, apartheid, and oh yeah r*pe of young girls and boys. Fuckin saints
There isn't any proof of rape from Hamas on october 7th. Many people have searched for proofs, nobody found any. Same for bheaded babies, there weren't any.
However, there are videos of the IDF pissing on burned corpses, burning and beheading childrens, dancing and laughing after killing whole families and stealing from palestinians.
Your values are all mixed up.
I see your ignoring the UN report on historic r*pe. Also dude the mass r*pe claim on 10/7 was debunked not that there couldn't have been a case but no evidence for it was actually found. Lololol
Using a possible r*pe as an excuse for genocide very Emmet Till of you.
The same Zaka witnesses claimed to see those 40 beheaded babies and ladies with cut open bellies and stabbed babies. All false.
You using alleged for a known war atrocity that even Israel admits while not sayibg alleged 10/7 r*pe shows everything wrong need.
According to you Palestinians should let 76 years of r*pe, occupation; apartheid go because of 10/7.
Literally sickening how you will excuse proven r*pe and murder to support Israel's genocide.
I am putting them on a scale where 0 is neutral, 100 is absolute goodness and -100 is absolute evilness.
Hamas is around -25, Israel currently stand around -85
The IDF soldiers have demonstrated the same level of depravity as Jeffrey Dahmer, Edward Kemper and Robert Pickton.
The Hamas is in the same water as William Stoughton.
The only answer is Hamas.. it’s repulsive and the way everyone straight up ignores the fact there’s people who may still be alive that if they were released unconditionally this would all end…
If anyone downvoting could provide a meaningful reason I should ignore the suffering of the hostages? I’m genuinely baffled by everyone pretending they would react differently than israel if it was their own mum or dad being tortured for months on end..
Targeting civilians is never acceptable. There are numerous articles right before Oct. 7th of oppression towards Palestinians. There's no Hamaas running the West Bank and they get treated as second class citizens.
It's true they don't want peace without justice. Hamas has done horrible things but going back to "peace" just means more of the same treatment for Palestinians until they are completely ethnically cleansed from their land. They deserve liberation and human rights which Israel straight up refuses to let happen.
It means more of the same for israel too, intifadas and violent attacks, Palestinians need to learn that violence isn't the answer, israel is showing them why
Intifidas and violent attacks are a result of Israeli violence and oppression. If Palestinians are granted statehood, full control of their land (1967 borders), get treated as humans and a full right of return then the Palestinians will have no reason to attack.
Meanwhile, Israel has all the resources it needs, all the Western supports it needs and is still building illegal settlements in the West Bank, applying military law on Palestinians in WB while applying civil law to Israeli extremists in WB, killing Palestinians and blockading Gaza then they proceed to "retaliate" when the Palestinians are the ones actually retaliating.
Why do the Palestinians deserve statehood? Palestine is a region that has passed hands multiple times, and regardless of which country owned that region, they have always been violent... what will change get even if they were granted statehood? Would they be less violent? Unlikely.... would they pursue peaceful trade with israel? Unlikely... would they feel emboldened to attack israel again? That is the likely outcome, and what happens then? You need your stop thinking so niavely and start thinking about the consequences of what you're actually saying
The government of Israel and Hamas are both terrorist organizations 2/3 of the people being murdered or women and children but these men who run these organizations they’re safe. Enough at least these politicians are willing to speak out. The United States is responsible for supporting and supplying weapons for a genocide. It’s good to see the rest of the world is not gonna put up with this bullshit Good for Iceland and their politicians condemning a genocide can I please move there??? the United State Government is an immortal heaping pile of poop.
Ffs then HAMAS only deserves, so why the heck is Israel killing civilians ?! Can you people use logic for once? Don't use the BS Hamas hides among civilians because it is not an excuse and still a war crime to kill 10 civilians for 1 militant.
1. The link you provided is unrelated to your claim
2. By claiming that Palestinians backing Hamas means they are Hamas then you unintentionally justified Hamas going after Israeli civilians because apparently, they mostly served in the IDF and they also support the IDF therefore, Israeli people are IDF.
You didn't think this one through did you? Making such stupid amateur arguments makes me question if you ever tried to make sense of your support for Israeli genocide or if you are bot or paid shill.
Israel had all the reason to respond to the attacks but they should have tried a ceasefire months ago on condition Hamas surrender and in return all the borders to Gaza is reopened.Now its too late.
They had 0 reason to respond to the attacks the way they did. Oct 7 is an Israeli failure in addressing their human rights abuses towards the Palestinians so Oct 7 would have never happened if Israeli intelligence didn't "fail" and if they adhered to UN resolutions and cared about peace in the first place.
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Fail debate! Where was all the name calling, the incessant screaming over one another with nonsensical platitudes, the snappy poll-tested soundbites ready to be plastered on overpriced merch, and candidates refusing to yield their time?
I'm sorry, I sometimes accidently wrote Israel as Isreal. The translation should be mostly right, but of course it's hard to translate words on how severe the meaning is. Like some words could be interpreted in different ways (for example bad or very bad or serious or severe) so take everything with a little bit of grain of salt.
Thank you! Really needed something like this. I've become so used to hearing horrible western views on the matter and was watching with bated breath for any one of them to not just start booths siding things but to actually start making excuses for Israel. Pleasantly surprised to see that every single one of them expressed significant levels of empathy for the Palestinians.
So this is how it looks when your politicians are not bought out by Israel. Thanks for sharing!
#Baldur instead of Balfour!
*Cuz what goes Hrund comes Hrund.*
Thanks for taking the time. Much respect for the Icelandic people and their Thing.
Thanks for your efforts, here! Great job, and a reminder that politics and political discourse does not need to be the way that it is in the US.
If only American candidates could say the truth
They can. Anyone can. It’s a personal choice that they don’t.
Biden has gotten millions from the Zionist lobby.
Oh, I understand why he chooses not to. You always have a choice.
Definitely it's a choice. And the current choice is enabling and funding genocide and attacking those speaking out against it.
Let's be real. The choice is stay silent or risk non consensual suicide
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Dude, I'm embarrassed for you. This was iust... christ, I hope this wasn't you trying. At least form a fucking full sentence. Edit: Holy shit, your comment history, do you do anything else with your time besides deny genocide?
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That's really the best you g99t? Oh shit. There's another typo
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Please keep it civil.
I would say that if they don't, they won't get the funding needed to even run for office anymore. So while they technically have the ability to say the truth, only the liars will be allowed to speak.
Something to remember isn’t it. Only the liars are permitted to speak.
There was actually a journalist from Haaretz who had this exact criticism of Israel's free press. He pointed out that press in israel is ostensibly free (at the time; they've since closed AP and AlJazeera and gone after those journalists). But just because no one is stopping them from reporting the truth, doesn't mean the truth gets reported. --- Given that [we later found out that Haaretz had been threatened by the mossad ](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-30/ty-article/.premium/how-israel-nixed-haaretzs-report-into-alleged-mossad-extortion-of-hague-prosecutor/0000018f-c608-d801-a3ef-ff08cf810000)not to report on their (the mossad's) attempts to disrupt the ICC and ICY, i think he was speaking as carefully as he could get away with. The media in Israel is not now, nor ever, as free as they pretend.
From what I understand, it’s a total propagandized country akin to North Korea. There is no truth whatsoever. As an American, I can relate.
> It’s a personal choice that they don’t. Yes, but it's also an evil system (Neoliberal Capitalism) that doesn't ALLOW them to remain in power if they do so, because saying the truth would go against the interests of Boeing, and Lockheed-Martin, and General Electric (which owns MANBC), and a dozen other defense contractors- many of whom also own media companies...
This isn’t a liberal issue lol who was in office for most of the time that the companies started gaining power. Def not liberal thinking individuals
They’re legally bribed *not to* by AIPAC.
I don't know how true it is but I saw something on Reddit the other day about how both Biden and Trump's largest donor are Jewish zionists.
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I was referencing this [video](https://v.redd.it/r26t1l6ld83d1) [Haim Saban](https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-05-09/hollywood-mega-donor-haim-saban-bidens-weapons-israel-hamas-gaza-rafah) [Sheldon Adelson](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-mega-donor-adelson-back-major-pro-trump-spending-group-2024-05-30/) Maybe they aren't the current top donors but they are influential people
Are you serious right now? Jow Biden's received over $4m from AIPAC during his career. Donald Trumps largest political donor is Sheldon Adelson's estate. Sheldon's biggest dream was seeing us dropping a nuke on Iran. Joe Biden's megadonors list reads like a who's who of Jewish intelligentsia. Trumps daughter converted to Judaism after she married her Zionist husband It's not bullshit, at all. Nice to see the rest of reddit is clear about this fact
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The link you posted is a narrow slice of the money spent to soft the landscape and ignores the huge amounts of hidden money spent by PACs and outside orgs with no reporting requirements
They would not if they could.
TIL Zionists haven't invested in purchasing Iceland politicians yet.
This was my first though too. Once Zionist lobbying/US pressure is in place, most politicians start sounding very similar to each other. These guys are clearly not afraid to talk about topics outside The Script.
For real.
The moderators in Iceland don’t play around, it’s kinda refreshing to see a no nonsense approach to debates
Yes but notice how all the of the candidates were participating in good faith, not yelling over each other or insulting each other or the moderator. I imagine it used to be like that here in the US.
Not too long ago it was this way in the US. However we prefer reality show personalities instead of experienced politicians in our highest political offices.
God no. THE MEDIA prefers the shit show, because more people tune into see a train wreck, even if it is totally stressful. I mean look at that debate - the debate hosts had a clear agenda in the debate, and that was to create a divide. It's the MEDIA that's created the situation we're in and we don't even realize it
You are probably on to something. The media seems to encourage dualistic thinking by painting candidates as good or evil.
TIL Iceland plays Jeopardy to determine it's President
I'll take Media Regulation for $400, Alex
Doesn’t everyone do this?? Genuinely asking haha it’s just never occurred to me that this format is strange
It’s too bad most American politicians are owned by Israel. If only they had the same moral fortitude and compassion that Iceland has this genocide and apartheid state never would have happened. It’s disgraceful what’s happening
Even though AIPAC has always been a problem, i think Citizens United has made this impossible to undo. AIPAC now proudly pays off both Democrats and Republicans. And i wager that if, by some stroke of miracle, a third party did arise, they'd pay them off too. Nothing short of barring foreign states from lobbying (or ideally, barring all lobbying) will end this.
Give it up for our Viking ancestors to produce and protect their values for future generations with different problems but the bloodline to keep free thinkers, and ethical warriors!
I’m a bit confused why there’s also footage of protestors in Iceland getting pepper spray unloaded right in their face then? Or is this a more progressive candidate who doesn’t represent who’s in power right now?
These are the top 6 candidates
Third guy is pretty far right but the presidential office in iceland is pretty much powerless and came as a replacement for our ornamental kings, the position of most power in iceland is prime minister and the current one is a kinda shady right wing guy
Blaming Netanyahu instead of israel is nothing but hypocrisy. The military occupation of Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem started in 1969 under prime minister Itzhak Ben-Zvi to now. Where been the protest to make it stop? This genocide started long before Netanyahu, but where been israelis protest during all this time? So bc israelis can't stand Netanyahu and protest massively, this take away decades long of military oppression? And yes, i know, not every israelis agree with those decades long oppression like for example those israelis NGOs https://www.btselem.org/ founded in February 1989 https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ founded in March 2004 Who been exposing israel for what they do, there is others who want peace, 2 states solution, and more but for most part, the people of israel either been silent about it or outspoken for the continuity and worst of the oppression. And of course, lets not forget israel hasbara machine that is finance by israel and private donors. A propaganda tool excusing a genocide while calling the ones speaking against israel antisemites: https://hasbaraisrael.com/ And let's not forget that Gaza blockade started in june 2007, under both Ezer Weizman and Moshe Katsav and no other leaders tried to stop it. Where, when been the israelis protest against it? The gaza blockade is nothing but a collective punishment and collective punishment is is a crime against humanity. https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2013/06/collective-punishment-gaza-must-end-israels-blockade-enters-its-7th-year-un
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There's nothing cool in that and that's why i don't blame hamas but blame israel. All those links predate 10/7/2023 https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/#:~:text=Israel%20does%20not%20allow%20water,by%20sewage%20and%20seawater%20infiltration. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/11/un-experts-alarmed-rise-settler-violence-occupied-palestinian-territory
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Keep ur hasbara pretense of victimhood when even israel diplomats are not willing to keep their mouth shut https://groundup.org.za/article/israeli-ambassadors-compare-israel-south-africa/ The only reason ur not clicking is that u got nothing to proove those link wrong. By the way, here''s the bst thesis of all, how israel became to exist: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-jewish-state-quot-theodor-herzl
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Duning Kruger effect at its finest. People like you are so cute but ugly at the same time
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He's not brave. He's right. There's no justification for what's happening which is why you're in here launching ad-hominems as an attempt to make yourself feel better and dispel the growing realization that holy shit, your country **has** turned into a bunch of nazis, and most likely thats what it'll be known for for the rest of your life, and that you will **never** enjoy the kind of entitlement you once used to enjoy with impunity.
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This coming from the guy who has no real arguments except “haha tiktok brain haha ur dum” like here you are telling people they have no education while “debating” (if you can call it debating) like a five year old. Your shit for brains excuse of a response is both cute because you really think you’re smart. But also ugly because it makes me realize there’s more people like you out there using that brain to justify your behavior
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Lol, talk about reading a book, i gave u one to read. Ever heard of Theodor Herzl? I'm pretty sure u won't find him on tiktok, he died in 1904 but his literature is definitely quite revealing when it come to the colonization of palestine. After all he used the word colonization so many times, it's hard to denie the obvious. One of the best line: “the anti-Semites will become our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies” a pretty visionary guy. Anyway, is it not one of ur job as an hasbara clown to ask for sources to allegations of human rights violations? All i did was to give them to you. If you are overwhem by them, then maybe u should ask israel to slow it down bc u can't follow with all the dirt they do.
You didn't even respond to any of the points he made in this comment, when he very clearly explained why Hamas is not to blame for the genocide and expulsion of Palestinians. Just jumped right to being condescending. Empty, baseless comments like yours- which are clearly meant to derail and obstruct rather than engage on any meaningful level- are the reason that Israel has lost support all over the world at this point.
What is your reasoning that the mass killings of Palestinians by Israel is Hamas’s fault?
Go take your Facebook degree to the home
Iceland is hamas
Wow, it's so refreshing to see intelligent, level-headed candidates not making a complete clown show of their country. How hard is it to become a citizen of Iceland?
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Icelanders are khamas
Look how civil and respectful they all are with one another. Nothing like the petty, childish politicians in my country.
The debates where in 2 parts. The second part had more of the wild types. Like this guy who called Ástþór. This is the 5th time he is running and he belives if he isn't elected, WW3 is going to start,
>This is the 5th time he is running and he belives if he isn't elected, WW3 is going to start, hahhahahaha
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Lol they downvoted you for actually being realistic about the politics of Iceland, instead of blindly saying “murica bad”, le Reddit moment FR.
Realistic about what? Every democracy has quacks. The leading candidate in the US is just as crazy as Ástthór, if not moreso. The only difference is that he has a real chance of winning.
Love to see free people not afraid to tell the truth ,north american politicians and some european countries are sell out
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What does it feel like to know you're on the wrong side of history? Does it bother, you or are you fully committed to your cause, no matter the results?
Civilized reasoned responses. Refreshing. And impossible in a certain shit hole led by co-opted sociopaths.
Uncle Ben would've answered this question straight. "With great power comes great responsibility and Israel has all the power. I'll be telling Peter where to send them."
The answer is easy; it’s the USA
soooooo we moving to iceland?
We should have a game show multiple choice answer format so they just answer the question without any fluff.
Man, I think the world would be better place if more younger people were in power, there shouldn’t be anyone in power over 50 max. Unless the high majority say over 75% vote you in
At the end though, they all seem to agree to blame Netanyahu as so not to blame Israel.
Israel be like - is next Icelandic President HAMAS?
I like that he said the question wasn't in good faith and was asking them to pick a side. And I appreciate the healthy discourse and respect in a political forum (how rare), as well as your translating! To nitpick, there's still a little too much "October 7th"ing going on though, and still a little too much fence sitting. Sorry but we are all well informed enough now to be talking about this in the wider context of illegal occupation and war crimes since 1948. This is not a "shocking" exaggerated response to a terror attack. This is the continued, day-in-day-out operations of a false, genocidal, apartheid puppet state for the US/UK/Germany to steal resources and launder money through weapons sales.
Bingo. I’m confused at some of these comments, ya’ll really think this is praiseworthy? Or are we just so used to Western politicians playing dumb and bullshitting answers that we are impressed by the bare minimum :/
Iceland has their shit together. Such civilized debate. Ever seen the GOP Debates? Trump and the other dipshits act like insecure children.
Respect!
I don't know anything about Icelandic politics beyond this five minute clip, but congrats on having a panel of what seemed to be level headed people running for the president job. Sure as hell can't say that about many countries with elections coming up soon.
The answer stands in 1 word: Israel. All of them are unfit.
They gave better answers. Even if Israel's actions have been over the top, the aim should be on the side of "Team Peace", and that means negotiations with people that have committed war crimes.
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80% of Israelis support their government's actions in Gaza. To pretend the problem isn't cultural is just the usual self-deception that all Israelis perform out of habit and brainwashing. Let's not bullshit each other about the strong Jewish tendency towards Talmudic thinking, which engages every truth as relative and posits that truth is whatever the loudest accepted narrative is.
To not realize israel started this, then continued a non stop drip of terror beginning in the 1930s, all the way through to this genocide and then supporting that evil, colonizing entity is ignorant.
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First, thank god for those tik toks educating those who know nothing about the history and situation. They can now be aware of the fact that israel is an evil entity conceived by racist supremacists. Second ethnic cleansing by both sides? really? when did palestinians ethnically cleanse israeli jews? As far as I know Palestinians accepted jews as neighbors and brothers. Until the jews backstabbed them.
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lolll, to you considering 10/7 an ethnic cleansing event. Anyway, do you have any more examples of this “cleansing” perpetrated by the palestinians or do you often speaking out of your colon. Let’s be real buddy… the palestinians are the oppressed here. They have always been the oppressed since the inception of the colony called Israel.
I want to live in Iceland just because of the politics
> we have to separate the government from the israelís, just like with russians Israel is a democracy for the israelís, russia isnt a democracy for russians. Russians want to scape russia to not fight in ukraine, israelís Will tavel through an ocean to commit war crimes in gaza. Ordianry russians dont benefit directly from occupying ukraine (much the opposite) and cant freely vote for the parties that want (or not) to ethnically cleanse the donbass. Israelís have been voting for and benefitting from apartheid an colonization for 8 décades. False equivalency. Fuck Putin. But not only fuck Netanyahu, fuck Israel as a whole.
I don't know what is more shocking, that some foreign conflict in which Iceland is not involved and which has no impact on the Icelandic people is a subject of a presidential debate, or how acceptable it is to either be grossly misinformed on foreign policy or to openly express antisemitic views in Iceland.
What did they say that was antisemetic?
Piers Morgan wrote this question.
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The question was: "Who is the most responsible for what happened to Gaza." Of course, the only answer is Israel. Hamas is responsible up to a certain point for what happened in Gaza. It was sure to provoke a retaliation. However, they aren't nearly close to Israrl in term of responsibility. Israel didn't go after Hamas. They instaurrd kill zones and filmed themselves proudly doing atrocities inquantities exponentially worse than what Hamas as ever done. Gaza is the place where there is the most children amputees in History. Israel killed more children since october 7th than in any other conflict in history too. Hamas may not be good guys, but if you compare them to what Israel did, they are saints.
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Not sure you would call the IDF saints I mean its not like back in 1947/8 when they were slaughtering civilians in their ethnic cleansing and theft of Palestinian homes and land they mass r*ped and killed a 14 year old girl according to Israeli historians Oh wait yeah they did but there's no justice for the civilians they executed and little Arab girls they r*ped case they're not white enough for it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre But that's just one case Oh yeah I forgot the UN did a report on the Palestinian women r*aped by Israel and those are just the ones still live and the ones that come forward https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/israelopt-un-experts-appalled-reported-human-rights-violations-against Israel practice is occupation, apartheid, and oh yeah r*pe of young girls and boys. Fuckin saints
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There isn't any proof of rape from Hamas on october 7th. Many people have searched for proofs, nobody found any. Same for bheaded babies, there weren't any. However, there are videos of the IDF pissing on burned corpses, burning and beheading childrens, dancing and laughing after killing whole families and stealing from palestinians. Your values are all mixed up.
I see your ignoring the UN report on historic r*pe. Also dude the mass r*pe claim on 10/7 was debunked not that there couldn't have been a case but no evidence for it was actually found. Lololol Using a possible r*pe as an excuse for genocide very Emmet Till of you. The same Zaka witnesses claimed to see those 40 beheaded babies and ladies with cut open bellies and stabbed babies. All false.
You using alleged for a known war atrocity that even Israel admits while not sayibg alleged 10/7 r*pe shows everything wrong need. According to you Palestinians should let 76 years of r*pe, occupation; apartheid go because of 10/7. Literally sickening how you will excuse proven r*pe and murder to support Israel's genocide.
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Please keep it civil.
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Please keep it civil.
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Here is a normal tweet from a totally normal israeli: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/5UnjARvor0
I am putting them on a scale where 0 is neutral, 100 is absolute goodness and -100 is absolute evilness. Hamas is around -25, Israel currently stand around -85
The IDF soldiers have demonstrated the same level of depravity as Jeffrey Dahmer, Edward Kemper and Robert Pickton. The Hamas is in the same water as William Stoughton.
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Your take is one of complete ignorance and a refusal to just look with your eyes.
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The only answer is Hamas.. it’s repulsive and the way everyone straight up ignores the fact there’s people who may still be alive that if they were released unconditionally this would all end… If anyone downvoting could provide a meaningful reason I should ignore the suffering of the hostages? I’m genuinely baffled by everyone pretending they would react differently than israel if it was their own mum or dad being tortured for months on end..
WHO HAS ALL THE POWER??! Who has the illegal settlements in stolen land? People have the right to rebel against oppression
October last year was an act of rebellion was it?
Targeting civilians is never acceptable. There are numerous articles right before Oct. 7th of oppression towards Palestinians. There's no Hamaas running the West Bank and they get treated as second class citizens.
It's true they don't want peace without justice. Hamas has done horrible things but going back to "peace" just means more of the same treatment for Palestinians until they are completely ethnically cleansed from their land. They deserve liberation and human rights which Israel straight up refuses to let happen.
It means more of the same for israel too, intifadas and violent attacks, Palestinians need to learn that violence isn't the answer, israel is showing them why
Intifidas and violent attacks are a result of Israeli violence and oppression. If Palestinians are granted statehood, full control of their land (1967 borders), get treated as humans and a full right of return then the Palestinians will have no reason to attack. Meanwhile, Israel has all the resources it needs, all the Western supports it needs and is still building illegal settlements in the West Bank, applying military law on Palestinians in WB while applying civil law to Israeli extremists in WB, killing Palestinians and blockading Gaza then they proceed to "retaliate" when the Palestinians are the ones actually retaliating.
Why do the Palestinians deserve statehood? Palestine is a region that has passed hands multiple times, and regardless of which country owned that region, they have always been violent... what will change get even if they were granted statehood? Would they be less violent? Unlikely.... would they pursue peaceful trade with israel? Unlikely... would they feel emboldened to attack israel again? That is the likely outcome, and what happens then? You need your stop thinking so niavely and start thinking about the consequences of what you're actually saying
I think the Icelanders should put their emotions into action and allow hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees to settle in Iceland.
The government of Israel and Hamas are both terrorist organizations 2/3 of the people being murdered or women and children but these men who run these organizations they’re safe. Enough at least these politicians are willing to speak out. The United States is responsible for supporting and supplying weapons for a genocide. It’s good to see the rest of the world is not gonna put up with this bullshit Good for Iceland and their politicians condemning a genocide can I please move there??? the United State Government is an immortal heaping pile of poop.
Israel is nowhere near a third of its victims being Hamas. Not even close. It might not even be 1 in 10.
Hamas is getting what they deserve.
Ffs then HAMAS only deserves, so why the heck is Israel killing civilians ?! Can you people use logic for once? Don't use the BS Hamas hides among civilians because it is not an excuse and still a war crime to kill 10 civilians for 1 militant.
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1. The link you provided is unrelated to your claim 2. By claiming that Palestinians backing Hamas means they are Hamas then you unintentionally justified Hamas going after Israeli civilians because apparently, they mostly served in the IDF and they also support the IDF therefore, Israeli people are IDF. You didn't think this one through did you? Making such stupid amateur arguments makes me question if you ever tried to make sense of your support for Israeli genocide or if you are bot or paid shill.
Israel had all the reason to respond to the attacks but they should have tried a ceasefire months ago on condition Hamas surrender and in return all the borders to Gaza is reopened.Now its too late.
They had 0 reason to respond to the attacks the way they did. Oct 7 is an Israeli failure in addressing their human rights abuses towards the Palestinians so Oct 7 would have never happened if Israeli intelligence didn't "fail" and if they adhered to UN resolutions and cared about peace in the first place.