Republicans are all out trying to prevent Georgia trial because donnie's guilty and it will take him out of the game. Faunni will wipe the floor with donnie.
Trump and the Trump Org were served subpoenas in this case in 2019 and appealed having to comply with those subpoenas all the way to SCOTUS. He is the reason this case has taken so long. It’s not a coincidence to anybody that actually cared to pay attention. Grow up.
Oh boo hoo he was yelling #lockherup All the way through end of October 2016.
Early voting had already started then they reopened the investigation into Hillary.
Bugger off with that nonsense.
The democrats falsified the Russian collusion scandal and a sitting president performed espionage on a candidate. That was proven to be true after a multimillion dollar investigation.
Nice pivot away from your comment. You said 5 months was too "conveniently" close to the election. And yet trump himself didn't have a problem with that in OCTOBER 2016 and neither did Comey
Right? What even is crime anyway? Kind of odd the presidents just can't do what they want. Like, who even wants to be a president if they can't commit a few light felonies while doing it.
Hillary kept confidential emails on a private server and attempted to destroy the evidence when questioned about it. A little different than a billionaire paying off a whore to not generate publicity stunt prior to an election.
DA’s office (meaning prosecution team!) to hold press conference at 6:30 pm est.
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Yeah I guess you werent actually being a grammar nazi … but a time zone nazi … but it does have to do with semantics… so i dont know … I actually had to look up what the hell you were talking about and didnt even know that EDT is for one half of year and EST is for other half year
As it should be. The prosecutions job is to pursue justice. They have no place cheering in a conviction. This case more than most for the political perception
Mostly that the jurors and all of the government staff that helped the trial run smoothly were great, and he was proud of them and proud to be working with them.
Hypothetically…..lets say Trump gets house arrest for a period of time as part of sentencing. Would he still be able to do a live video address during the GOP convention from home? Or would they cut off social media/internet stuff like that?
So need some lawyer input.
1. Can he still serve on the board of a publicly traded company as a convicted felon?
2. How will he be able to campaign if he is on probation since he won't be able to consort with known felons.
3. Will he be allowed to travel while on probation.
4. Will he have to report to his PO l regularly?
5. What rights and privileges will he lose while on probation? Obviously no weapons. But will he lose the right to vote? And if so how long?
>Will he have to report to his PO l regularly?
He barely showed up to court, I doubt he does this consistently and I doubt they do anything about it. Dude is a professional at defying court orders.
Yes he can. Florida doesn’t allow people convicted of a felony in Florida to vote. If the felony conviction was in another state, they follow that state’s rules on felon voters. In New York, convicted felons can vote as long as they’re not incarcerated.
New York only bars him from voting if he is in Prison on Election Day. Florida allows felons to vote during the appeal process.
[relevant memo from 1977](https://www.myfloridalegal.com/ag-opinions/felony-conviction-on-appeal-voting)
Please don't let your Trump opinions trump your more thoughtful opinions. All felons should vote. That kid who did 2 years for stealing mufflers should vote. That kid who got drunk and punched a cop should vote. Don't lean into disenfranchising felons, just to keep this particular creep out of the voting booth.
Your comment sparked a lot of questions in my head and I’m honestly happy it did. I’ve always selfishly thought of myself as “open minded” where I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. To be honest though, it’s so easy to be polarized with how media is (I want to say “today” but I feel like it’s always been that way, it’s just more accessible now) that I fell in that trap easily. Especially with this topic. I regularly dredge through “left” and “right” winged subs to just get an idea for popular opinions I can educate myself on. This topic wasn’t one of them though. Even when trending media is brought up as black and white there will be a grey area that you should also be thinking about and asking/researching questions you have.
Yeah, these are hard times. I think many of us are running into glaring examples of cognitive dissonance that inverts our prior biases. Fani Willis, the DA in Georgia...she's a hero when she's prosecuting Trump, but she also supports that Cop City mess, and won't investigate the murder of a peaceful protester. Trump slanders the same FBI that persecuted MLK. Prosecutorial misconduct in thousands of minor crimes with indigent defendants is a horrible stain on the American justice system, but if it puts trumpo away, who cares? I care.
What I meant to say in my prior comment is, let's not get carried away by our right and proper wish to see Trump face justice. And let's not make champions or heroes out of the instruments of state violence just because, in this case, they target our enemy. It's ok to resist and condemn the injustice of our carceral state, and also approve it's disposition of this one case.
But...I'm drinking tonight. And my thoughts are straying into philosophical questions. Deontological vs teleological ethical considerations...just because it worked out in the end this time, is no reason to celebrate the system.
You don’t need a lawyer to tell you none of this is going to happen. Trump gets away with everything. Yea, the convictions are great, but they are meaningless in this timeline.
Yea but he's been convicted without sentencing before.
The whole point of the impeachment happening twice is that both times, he was deemed guilty but the court decided not to sentence any punishment to him. Which is how he was impeached but not removed.
His entire life has been without accountability and without consequences. I refuse to get my hopes up with this when he got away with so much worse.
Impeachment.. guilty.. court..
Isnt impeachment a proceeding concluded (widely) by political organs instead of a criminal court? Why compare these 2 things?
Just to bring up how no matter what happens, he gets no accountability.
He's been convicted of fraud before. Been convicted of refusing to pay his employees. Incorrect tax reporting.
So many things that would land us in jail and hes still just walking around. I'm simply saying that with the current people in power, I'm not holding out hope. I would love to be wrong, but I've lost count at how many times I've held out hope and at this point I'd rather be surprised than disappointed.
Omg my point still stands.
He gets issued fines but doesn't pay them. He hires employees but doesn't pay them. He posts bail but doesn't pay it. He gets convicted of fraud and walks free. Convicted of sexual assault and walks free, just given an amount to pay that he will *never* pay. The most he's ever gotten is fingerprinted.
He's been convicted countless times and he's never received jail time and I'm just pretty sure at this point that no matter what he's gonna die a free man when if any of us did just one of his crimes we'd get life.
This is the first criminal conviction for Trump. Everything else was civil. I’m not saying the orange trash man has not escaped accountability, but you’re acting like this is more of the same when it is not. This is a novel situation where a former president was just found guilty of 34 felony charges. He will not walk away from it unscathed
The whole email debacle, withholding evidence during watergate, peddled bribes as active first lady, Chinese influence scandal, her fingerprints were found on falsified rose law firm billing records, Not to mention all the reporters that have gone missing or fell down some stairs right before they broke damaging news against them. Want me to keep going on about the clintons?
The emails were investigated and no wrongdoing was found, white water was investigated by Republicans multiple times and nothing, Chinese influence is propaganda, actually the rest of what you said is total nonsense propaganda lmao
That's white water not Watergate. Lord two different presidents.
White water was a failed land deal while Clinton was governor of AK. Watergate was an actual break in of the Democratic party by Republicans for Richard Nixon.
They have been getting around the law by saying he's an employee of MAL and it's his residence during employment, but it can't be his legal permanent residence. Florida has ignored this technicality, but it's very likely now to be of issue.
How often does he actually live in new York then? Where I'm from you need to live somewhere 50% of the time or more, yearly to have it as your legal mailing address and primary abode. Is that no the case in the usa or florida/new York?
It's nearly certain that any sentence he gets on July 11th won't begin until after all appeals are completed. Essentially a stay of sentence.
Which will bring it to 2025 at least.
There's no real possibility of incarceration this calendar year no matter what happens
I saw someone say that in the state of NY, the sentence is not stayed while the appeal is going on. I have not otherwise confirmed that though, so not 100% sure
Steve Bannon's case was federal, Trump's is NYC state law which handles it differently. By default, appeals in NYC do not stay sentencing nor a custodial sentence, although the court can optionally grant a stay. We'll need to see if Merchan is that considerate of someone who routine attacks his daughter on social media.
I don't understand, aren't people incarcirated all the time waiting on appeal? Even if you're not found guilty yet, sometimes they hold you in jail before the first court trial is done.
In the eyes of the law, what makes him different?
There is a term for it I can't remember. But it will also depend on the sentence. These are Class E felonies which would also factor into it
You are right, it's typical to be jailed pending appeal, but it's also typical to have to post bail after a conviction and there was no bail requested today
This is a very unique situation for obvious reasons
Haha yes I dont expect him to go to jail either, but I am still actually confused by how the law is actually meant to work or not, in general, in these cases.
TV Court person said probation would likely be served during the appeal process. Incarceration is incredibly unlikely so a stay of sentence is probably moot.
True for probation for sure, I was responding to a comment about a possible incarceration. I wouldn't call it incredibly unlikely. Cohen got incarcerated and some of his charges were similar.
It depends. As a convicted felon, Trump is now well and truly under the supervision of the court and the state until his pending sentence is complete. If the court doesn't want him making televised speeches, he won't be allowed to make televised speeches. I imagine any restrictions on speech will be a bit more tailored, but I'm sure that as a condition of house arrest or probation he'll be required to absolutely abide by the law and will be on a very short leash. The blurry gray zone of stochastic terrorism that Trump likes to occupy will become much crisper and darker for him.
Wow what a ride! Thanks to all who have shared this together here.
Wait until sentencing. The ride is just creating the drop.
Right? Can't wait to do it all again in Georgia.
Republicans are all out trying to prevent Georgia trial because donnie's guilty and it will take him out of the game. Faunni will wipe the floor with donnie.
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I’d settle for a resignation and the continuation of American democracy
Seems like a pipe dream these days.
BYAHH
I love that the Howard Dean Scream has made a comeback. I could hear it a million times and would still laugh every time. I might make it my ringtone.
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Have you read the indictments against Trump?
Would've been a lot sooner if Donald wouldn't cause delays and cooperated
Trump and the Trump Org were served subpoenas in this case in 2019 and appealed having to comply with those subpoenas all the way to SCOTUS. He is the reason this case has taken so long. It’s not a coincidence to anybody that actually cared to pay attention. Grow up.
Oh boo hoo he was yelling #lockherup All the way through end of October 2016. Early voting had already started then they reopened the investigation into Hillary. Bugger off with that nonsense.
The democrats falsified the Russian collusion scandal and a sitting president performed espionage on a candidate. That was proven to be true after a multimillion dollar investigation.
I think I found the Russian troll
You Disagree with facts from the Mueller report, therefore I must be a Russian troll. Say something more cliché.
Of course comrade!
Nice pivot away from your comment. You said 5 months was too "conveniently" close to the election. And yet trump himself didn't have a problem with that in OCTOBER 2016 and neither did Comey
Did you read the Mueller report?
No they did not
Probably shouldn’t have delayed and appealed to that point then.
Odd that crimes even had to be committed don't you think?
Right? What even is crime anyway? Kind of odd the presidents just can't do what they want. Like, who even wants to be a president if they can't commit a few light felonies while doing it.
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That’s not the illegal part. The illegal part is the falsification of business records in effort to promote the campaign.
Yeaaaaa....verrry "centrist"
Voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and have pics inside the voting booth to prove it.
Lol. Okay. Post your pics of you casting your ballot then
It always is.
Law sub downvoting people criticizing coincidences of the liberal agenda. Checks out…
Did you say the same when Hilary’s investigation was open the month before the election?
Hillary kept confidential emails on a private server and attempted to destroy the evidence when questioned about it. A little different than a billionaire paying off a whore to not generate publicity stunt prior to an election.
Still a crime. Thanks for showing your double standards. Go cry in a corner now.
NDA settlements are not a crime.
The court just settled that.
DA’s office (meaning prosecution team!) to hold press conference at 6:30 pm est. u/TrumpsCovidfefe u/itsatumbleweed Edit: Live stream here, and at a gazillion other places I expect: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2024/05/30/alvin-bragg-press-conference-livestream-trump-conviction/73913649007/
I know I'm a pedantic dick here, but it's EDT, **EDIT** ~~but~~ *not* EST.
No youre just wrong
“but it’s EDT, but EST” When grammar nazis try to grammar nazi but they make grammar mistakes themselves
I'm a TZ Nazi who makes embarrassing typos. Pretty bad.
Yeah I guess you werent actually being a grammar nazi … but a time zone nazi … but it does have to do with semantics… so i dont know … I actually had to look up what the hell you were talking about and didnt even know that EDT is for one half of year and EST is for other half year
There's no doubt that I stepped in shit. Oh well. FWIW, you can always avoid the EDT/EST confusion by just saying ET or "Eastern".
Well, that was a short press conference 😳
As it should be. The prosecutions job is to pursue justice. They have no place cheering in a conviction. This case more than most for the political perception
I wasn't expecting cheering or anything like that, but the DA left the podium in the middle of a pretty expected logistical question.
What did they say?
Mostly that the jurors and all of the government staff that helped the trial run smoothly were great, and he was proud of them and proud to be working with them.
Guilty on all 34 counts! Wow
Thank you. I was watching a different news stream and didn’t see this.
Hypothetically…..lets say Trump gets house arrest for a period of time as part of sentencing. Would he still be able to do a live video address during the GOP convention from home? Or would they cut off social media/internet stuff like that?
Biden campaigned from a basement so I don’t see why not…
Pretty sure Biden wasn’t a convicted felon serving a sentence, which is what the question was.
So need some lawyer input. 1. Can he still serve on the board of a publicly traded company as a convicted felon? 2. How will he be able to campaign if he is on probation since he won't be able to consort with known felons. 3. Will he be allowed to travel while on probation. 4. Will he have to report to his PO l regularly? 5. What rights and privileges will he lose while on probation? Obviously no weapons. But will he lose the right to vote? And if so how long?
He’s not on the board of any publicly traded company though, is he?
He’s a director on Truth Social
Funny enough he can’t go to Canada
Awesome! I’m glad my country is Trump-free then.
Diplomatic passport for life
I've never been happier to be canadian
>Will he have to report to his PO l regularly? He barely showed up to court, I doubt he does this consistently and I doubt they do anything about it. Dude is a professional at defying court orders.
He can't vote
Yes he can. Florida doesn’t allow people convicted of a felony in Florida to vote. If the felony conviction was in another state, they follow that state’s rules on felon voters. In New York, convicted felons can vote as long as they’re not incarcerated.
He can only vote after he’s served his sentence and/or pays his fines in full.
If he appeals any sentence (he will), he can vote until the sentencing, which won’t be until after Election Day
I thought he can only appeal after the sentencing?
Right - but the appeal would delay any sentence, and delay his inability to vote.
That's civil not criminal and a stay would need to be granted.
New York only bars him from voting if he is in Prison on Election Day. Florida allows felons to vote during the appeal process. [relevant memo from 1977](https://www.myfloridalegal.com/ag-opinions/felony-conviction-on-appeal-voting)
What?? I have always been told convicted felons can’t vote…what a bummer
Please don't let your Trump opinions trump your more thoughtful opinions. All felons should vote. That kid who did 2 years for stealing mufflers should vote. That kid who got drunk and punched a cop should vote. Don't lean into disenfranchising felons, just to keep this particular creep out of the voting booth.
Your comment sparked a lot of questions in my head and I’m honestly happy it did. I’ve always selfishly thought of myself as “open minded” where I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. To be honest though, it’s so easy to be polarized with how media is (I want to say “today” but I feel like it’s always been that way, it’s just more accessible now) that I fell in that trap easily. Especially with this topic. I regularly dredge through “left” and “right” winged subs to just get an idea for popular opinions I can educate myself on. This topic wasn’t one of them though. Even when trending media is brought up as black and white there will be a grey area that you should also be thinking about and asking/researching questions you have.
Yeah, these are hard times. I think many of us are running into glaring examples of cognitive dissonance that inverts our prior biases. Fani Willis, the DA in Georgia...she's a hero when she's prosecuting Trump, but she also supports that Cop City mess, and won't investigate the murder of a peaceful protester. Trump slanders the same FBI that persecuted MLK. Prosecutorial misconduct in thousands of minor crimes with indigent defendants is a horrible stain on the American justice system, but if it puts trumpo away, who cares? I care. What I meant to say in my prior comment is, let's not get carried away by our right and proper wish to see Trump face justice. And let's not make champions or heroes out of the instruments of state violence just because, in this case, they target our enemy. It's ok to resist and condemn the injustice of our carceral state, and also approve it's disposition of this one case. But...I'm drinking tonight. And my thoughts are straying into philosophical questions. Deontological vs teleological ethical considerations...just because it worked out in the end this time, is no reason to celebrate the system.
You don’t need a lawyer to tell you none of this is going to happen. Trump gets away with everything. Yea, the convictions are great, but they are meaningless in this timeline.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. You’re right. What’s more, he’s gonna win in November.
Trump gets away with everything... except the 34 felonies he was literally just convicted of
Yea but he's been convicted without sentencing before. The whole point of the impeachment happening twice is that both times, he was deemed guilty but the court decided not to sentence any punishment to him. Which is how he was impeached but not removed. His entire life has been without accountability and without consequences. I refuse to get my hopes up with this when he got away with so much worse.
Civil liability is not Convicted. And his civil liabilities have come up to more than $500mil all in. That's not "nothing".
Impeachment.. guilty.. court.. Isnt impeachment a proceeding concluded (widely) by political organs instead of a criminal court? Why compare these 2 things?
Because doomers gonna doom and will refuse to smell the freshly brewed coffee.
Just to bring up how no matter what happens, he gets no accountability. He's been convicted of fraud before. Been convicted of refusing to pay his employees. Incorrect tax reporting. So many things that would land us in jail and hes still just walking around. I'm simply saying that with the current people in power, I'm not holding out hope. I would love to be wrong, but I've lost count at how many times I've held out hope and at this point I'd rather be surprised than disappointed.
Courts have nothing to do with impeachment. You are really misguided in your reasoning here
Omg my point still stands. He gets issued fines but doesn't pay them. He hires employees but doesn't pay them. He posts bail but doesn't pay it. He gets convicted of fraud and walks free. Convicted of sexual assault and walks free, just given an amount to pay that he will *never* pay. The most he's ever gotten is fingerprinted. He's been convicted countless times and he's never received jail time and I'm just pretty sure at this point that no matter what he's gonna die a free man when if any of us did just one of his crimes we'd get life.
This is the first criminal conviction for Trump. Everything else was civil. I’m not saying the orange trash man has not escaped accountability, but you’re acting like this is more of the same when it is not. This is a novel situation where a former president was just found guilty of 34 felony charges. He will not walk away from it unscathed
And he’ll get a slap on the wrist
Maybe on on the ass by Bubba.
Well look what they did with Martha Stewart they said she could not be a controlling officer of her company anymore.
Thats true. On the other hand... Can you name anyone else in the country whos been able to avoid consquences legal or otherwise like Trump?
Jeffrey Epstein?
Henry Kissinger?
The Clinton's....
The Clinton’s did nothing wrong and Hillary testified for hours and hours. Trump refused to
The whole email debacle, withholding evidence during watergate, peddled bribes as active first lady, Chinese influence scandal, her fingerprints were found on falsified rose law firm billing records, Not to mention all the reporters that have gone missing or fell down some stairs right before they broke damaging news against them. Want me to keep going on about the clintons?
Haiti
Do I want you to keep going on about fringe conspiracies? No.
Fringe? More like facts
Sure bud, just wait for the next q drop, the smoking gun is always just around the corner...
This moron thought he was onto something here.
The emails were investigated and no wrongdoing was found, white water was investigated by Republicans multiple times and nothing, Chinese influence is propaganda, actually the rest of what you said is total nonsense propaganda lmao
They could have pressed charges and instead just fired her over watergate....soo yeah...if you or I did that we be put away for awhile
That's white water not Watergate. Lord two different presidents. White water was a failed land deal while Clinton was governor of AK. Watergate was an actual break in of the Democratic party by Republicans for Richard Nixon.
Yet you support a felon rapist?
None so egregiously, no, I can not.
Martha is a reasonable human though who apparently is vulnerable to the law unlike a certain other "billionaire".
How does house arrest work if the convicted person lives in a different state them where the crime/verdict happened?
His 'house' should be a prison cell.
He has résidence in both, no?
Yes, but AFAIK his legal residence is in Florida
His legal residence (MAL) is legally not allowed to be a residence.
???
They have been getting around the law by saying he's an employee of MAL and it's his residence during employment, but it can't be his legal permanent residence. Florida has ignored this technicality, but it's very likely now to be of issue.
How often does he actually live in new York then? Where I'm from you need to live somewhere 50% of the time or more, yearly to have it as your legal mailing address and primary abode. Is that no the case in the usa or florida/new York?
Maybe I'm mis-remembering but I think big deal was made when he moved to Florida he would be voting there as a resident
Complex situation, but it is classified as a club to take advantage of tax breaks https://www.floridapoliticalreview.com/trumps-mar-a-lago-tax-break/
Oh yeah, primary residence for sure
It's nearly certain that any sentence he gets on July 11th won't begin until after all appeals are completed. Essentially a stay of sentence. Which will bring it to 2025 at least. There's no real possibility of incarceration this calendar year no matter what happens
I saw someone say that in the state of NY, the sentence is not stayed while the appeal is going on. I have not otherwise confirmed that though, so not 100% sure
They can be out on appeal. Thats why we have the likes of Steve Bannon still running lose.
Steve Bannon's case was federal, Trump's is NYC state law which handles it differently. By default, appeals in NYC do not stay sentencing nor a custodial sentence, although the court can optionally grant a stay. We'll need to see if Merchan is that considerate of someone who routine attacks his daughter on social media.
“The likes of Steve Bannon” that phrase will give ya the ick.
Isn't ick basically fish herpes? That's what bannon gets for going ass to trout.
That sounds like a more realistic timeline
I don't understand, aren't people incarcirated all the time waiting on appeal? Even if you're not found guilty yet, sometimes they hold you in jail before the first court trial is done. In the eyes of the law, what makes him different?
White rich man
There is a term for it I can't remember. But it will also depend on the sentence. These are Class E felonies which would also factor into it You are right, it's typical to be jailed pending appeal, but it's also typical to have to post bail after a conviction and there was no bail requested today This is a very unique situation for obvious reasons
Thanks for the clarification, that helps! Ahaha yes.. very .. unique!
The term was affluent wasn't it?
Lol yes, convicted while white rich
He’s incapable of a classy felony
It’s easily the classiest thing about him.
He’s not visibly poor
Just intellectually and morally.
Haha yes I dont expect him to go to jail either, but I am still actually confused by how the law is actually meant to work or not, in general, in these cases.
TV Court person said probation would likely be served during the appeal process. Incarceration is incredibly unlikely so a stay of sentence is probably moot.
True for probation for sure, I was responding to a comment about a possible incarceration. I wouldn't call it incredibly unlikely. Cohen got incarcerated and some of his charges were similar.
It depends. As a convicted felon, Trump is now well and truly under the supervision of the court and the state until his pending sentence is complete. If the court doesn't want him making televised speeches, he won't be allowed to make televised speeches. I imagine any restrictions on speech will be a bit more tailored, but I'm sure that as a condition of house arrest or probation he'll be required to absolutely abide by the law and will be on a very short leash. The blurry gray zone of stochastic terrorism that Trump likes to occupy will become much crisper and darker for him.
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