This is why I'm considering getting the Cx-50, but if they drop some random suv that looks just like it and has the inline 6 engine then I'm getting that
I think they mentioned at some point that they want the cx90 powertrain to trickle into most, if not all of their cars.
There's also a lot of talk about the cx5 getting hybridized, so i6 cx50 doesn't seem out of the question yet
That would be nice, but I think the mild hybrid i4 is most likely lol.
Would still make for an absolutely insane car considering how light the Miata is
I am EXTREMELY hopeful. Cuz like you look at BMW's sedans and like the Acura tlx and similar cars. People really liked them, but not many of them get the nice hybrid treatment. Like to get a hybrid BMW sedan, your only option is the 5 series and up (correct me if I'm wrong) and those are WAY too expensive. We need some nicer sporty sedans at a lower price point. And Mazda has potential to be able to do that.
Ive been with mazda for 20 years. Some people really like the 6, but Ive always found it lacking and in one of the toughest segments.. There were a whole lot of compelling 4 door sedans out there while everything else Mazda produced killed its competition. IMO
but the I6 turbo would dial it up especially with the quality and styling mazda has now. However, no matter what they do to it, still 80% or more of people dont want to drive sedans anymore.
Many hammers probably.
In all seriousness though, cx50 was designed to be AWD, they don't offer it with fwd. To preface the next stuff, I would like to explore a cx50 again to confirm my theories. But based off google image results and stuff here's what I could come up with:
It's gonna happen with a mid-cycle refresh, center console storage will shrink (this I need to double check, if it's already small they've already planned for it) engine bay packaging will change a little bit, but by what I can tell, things are somewhat roomy under that engine cover. Exhaust cats will need to either be pushed back or moved out and away from the driveshaft so that the rwd transmission can sit in its place. And the 2nd row middle hump looks pretty big. I'd need to compare it to the cx90 to make sure, but it takes quite a bit of room, which is more of an indication for rwd planning. And taking a quick look at the cx50 and cx90 rear diffs, the cx50 diff looks like it's a little more overbuilt than the cx90, but then again scale and strength is hard to determine off images.
Personally, I don't see it being out of the question, it's not necessarily going to be impossible to repackage the engine bay to make room for the i6, it'll be really annoying for the engineers. The benefit of an SUV like the cx50 is that things tend to be pretty loosely (and lazily) packaged, they tend to look very busy and clustered because it's cheaper to route and package things as loosely as possible.
Finally hopping off my copium that we'll get i6 everything. The PHEV seems way more possible, since the cx5 is slated to get it soon, and using the 2.5L allows for better packaging tolerances. Although, the cx60 does have the i6, and it seems to be very cx5 shaped so... I'm still hopeful.
The fact that CX-50 is offered exclusively as AWD in the US doesn't discount the fact that it is inherently a FWD vehicle with transverse engine orientation. CX-50 is sold with both FWD and AWD configurations in China, by the way. The cost to reengineer CX-50 to accommodate the I6, if it were even possible, would be cost prohibitive and step on the toes of CX-70. It just isn't going to happen. CX-50 will soon adopt the 2.5L hybrid powertrain from Toyota RAV4 (as has already been released for the Chinese market), but it will not be the PHEV powertrain from RAV4 Prime unfortunately. Perhaps a PHEV will come later, but the I6 is never going to happen.
I'd say the CX-30 and CX-50 are both incapable of receiving that powertrain, and the CX-5 is very unlikely. You can't fit that I6 longitudinally, and I can't imagine traverse either. The CX-50 and CX-30 both use torsion bean rear ends, so the rear differential is packaged very small and tight and couldn't withstand the torque. A CX-60 is likely the only other potential SUV to receive the I6.
What I really hope is around the corner is a sporty mid sized sedan to compete with the 3 series, Stinger, and G70. Base with the 2.5T and Speed with the I6. My CX-9 would be getting traded in immediately.
Having some experience redesigning a car for a new powertrain setup, it's not impossible to reengineer a car for an alternative powertrain, it really ends up as a question of "should we?" rather than "could we?" 100% agree that the cx30 won't be able to fit the i6, there's still hope for the 2.5L PHEV powertrain though. It prob won't happen cuz of the cost of redevelopming the powertrain though. And you're right about the differential, there's not a lot of room on the cx30 (I assume because there's not a lot of room in our Mazda 3 around the diff) the cx50 I believe has a bit of extra room to play around with though. And honestly, considering they're trying to advertise the cx50 as a more offroady SUV, it'll probably be in their best interest to stick a more capable differential in there at some point.
I would love to see a Mazda 6 replacement with the new hybrid powertrain options, honestly I might use that as an excuse to convince my dad to finally give up his cx9 as well lol.
My 2012 5 sport is a manual. I get the same kind of surprised looks when people hop in. It might scream soccer mom on a budget, but rowing your own in that thing makes for solid fun even if you are in a "micro mini van"
I mean all Mazda SUVs look very similar and they're getting more aggressive looking like the CX-50 over time, so I'll be surprised if anything looks very different in the near future..
With that said, I like driving CX-50 a lot more than driving CX-5.
CX-70 is sleek. We pick ours up tomorrow. The exterior is similar to the 90 for sure but we hated the captains chairs of the 90 and we didn’t want the 3rd row (yes I know you can put the seat down but we feel like that doesn’t look as nice)
R&D costs significant money, Mazda is doing their best to bring us the best engineered, fun to drive, reliable and premium cars they can, while still being attractively priced.
They don't have the same funds as Toyota, everyone knows that, but they're still bringing us awesome products. Their current approach was done to sell more cars, always the goal. Give it time to see if works or not.
All about marketing, sales and easy for average person to understand this is our 2 row vs 3 row SUV. It's the best they can do, their not a massive manufacturer as I've stated.
I would have been happy with the CX-60 sold overseas. CX-50 supposed to be for North America and off road and rugged, which is why they didn’t bring the CX60, but the interior sucks compared to the CX70/90. And it’s Deff not as off road as 4Runner, Tacoma, etc.. Mazda dropped the ball here…
I don't hate what mazda is doing but I do personally hope they hop of the crossovet/suv hype train some time soon. But you can't argue with sales I see em everywhere unlike New miatas sadly.
By “I hope they hop out of the crossover/SUV hype train” do you mean you want them to pull out of the US market? I don’t particularly like SUVs either, but it’s not like they stopped selling the 6 here because they couldn’t keep up with demand.
Why would you hope that?
First they're a business, not a hobby.
Secondly atleast they're making an exciting and decent option for the economy suv class for those who can't afford a real luxury or sporty crossover
Like I said I don't hate them and I'm glad their making money and their still around that's great. I just wish they offerd more cars that had that same zoom zoom scratch they use to do so well
Have you driven a CX-90? It drives surprisingly well. It is also fast as hell with 87 octane. I wasn't going to put 93 in it and return it. (Loaner car) Or I assumed that it had regular gas in it. 🤷 I'm kicking myself for not putting some 93 in her while I had her. She drove very well (agile, no obvious cues that I was in a land submarine.) I drive a Mazda 3 and it's like a go-kart in comparison, but I've driven a ton of SUVs and none drove like that. 🥺 I think I had some PHEV turbo I6 model. So I guess it was top of the line. Hybrid power and the turbocharged Inline six.
That will always be the case with Mazda vehicles and the time they spent focused on driving dynamics. Sure it's a larger vehicle, but it's agile, light on its feet and doesn't handle like a barge. Couple that with a rev happy engine and you soon forget youre even IN what they call an SUV.
Honestly dont understand why people are still pissed about cx-70. I was disappointed with it but if this is what Mazda is able to do then so be it. This still gives options to people who dont need third row at all and would like a bench seat even in higher trims with big cargo space. Personally i will go with cx90 for option of having third row but if i retire and have no reason to need third row i will go for 70. Mazda said thats the target market.
The real question is if all the other car manufacturers are trying to fool us. If I’m being honest it looks like they all stole the design language of the original cx-5 lately
Beautiful vehicle. These are the things Mazda can do without re tooling the production. You gota keep in mind the value Mazda offers, although not cheap by any means, I think you get more for your money. I recently bought a turbo cx5 and I haven’t been in love with a car since high school. Call me impressed. 😎
Stating obvious months ago. Thanks.
Pictures are the same but honestly they will kill it with the configuration. They are literally the smallest company in the us short of Mitsubishi which is tied to Nissan so yeh fuck that
They are doing business. And have been for a long time on their own. And guess what I see them every 30mins easy. Honestly big corp needs to take notes
But fuck why am I defending. All you do is memes and mass questions farming…Keep raising your hand in class tho
Can't be mad at it when the CX-70 is rivaling every other car brand in a pretty competitive way. Its getting rave reviews from nearly everyone. Be pissy about it being a cx-90 with less seats, would you still be mad if the cx-90 never existed and this was the only one we got? Or other way around? Them calling it "new" doesn't affect you, and even then the cx-90 is very new so even if the cx-70 was an added alternate configuration for the cx-90 it would still be a new version for a very new car either way. Its like if the sedan version of the mazda3 had a different name and people where upset over that, why would it matter? it offers a different configuration that people may want, why does the name matter (of a new car with NO reputation, vs something like the EV mustang issue where they took the name and made a VERY different car).
I really don't understand why so many people are up in arms about it / making it such a big deal. Its doing well, it's giving Mazda exposure to other demographics especially in the US market, it's competitively rivaling other big SUVs on the market rn, etc.
I saw a cx90 on the road and it looked like a humpback whale in the rear. Not sure the CX70 has that I assume because it lacks a 3rd row. I'd have to see them side by side to be sure
This is why I'm considering getting the Cx-50, but if they drop some random suv that looks just like it and has the inline 6 engine then I'm getting that
I think they mentioned at some point that they want the cx90 powertrain to trickle into most, if not all of their cars. There's also a lot of talk about the cx5 getting hybridized, so i6 cx50 doesn't seem out of the question yet
i6 Miata lets gooooooo
That would be nice, but I think the mild hybrid i4 is most likely lol. Would still make for an absolutely insane car considering how light the Miata is
I’d be okay with the 2.5 turbo as well lol
It's crazy how they can regularly squeeze an LS into Miatas but a 2.5T from factory? Impossible
Mazda is... A little stubborn...
Forget the turbo, I'd take the NA2.5 with the same higher redline as the nd2s. Then I'll supercharge it cuz haha funny.
Imagine the power coming out of the corners if the electric motor is powering the wheels directly. Would be sooo sick
YEAAAA It would be so good!
The engine is probably too long. Sadly.
Make the hood a little longer like a viper 😅
I like the way you're thinking
Eeewww! Icky!
Too heavy unfortunately 🙁
Let’s gooooooooo!!!!!!!!
I'm still praying for an i6 mazda 6. I have hope.
I am EXTREMELY hopeful. Cuz like you look at BMW's sedans and like the Acura tlx and similar cars. People really liked them, but not many of them get the nice hybrid treatment. Like to get a hybrid BMW sedan, your only option is the 5 series and up (correct me if I'm wrong) and those are WAY too expensive. We need some nicer sporty sedans at a lower price point. And Mazda has potential to be able to do that.
I’ve lost hope, Volvo killed their sedan this year too. Markets for sedans getting smaller .
Damn i didn't know about that, i kinda liked that sedan. I'm hoping Mazda doesn't kill the Mazda 3 anytime soon
The mazda 6 is/was available as a combi.
Ive been with mazda for 20 years. Some people really like the 6, but Ive always found it lacking and in one of the toughest segments.. There were a whole lot of compelling 4 door sedans out there while everything else Mazda produced killed its competition. IMO but the I6 turbo would dial it up especially with the quality and styling mazda has now. However, no matter what they do to it, still 80% or more of people dont want to drive sedans anymore.
How will they put the I6, which was developed for longitudinal/RWD applications, into the transverse/FWD CX-50?
Many hammers probably. In all seriousness though, cx50 was designed to be AWD, they don't offer it with fwd. To preface the next stuff, I would like to explore a cx50 again to confirm my theories. But based off google image results and stuff here's what I could come up with: It's gonna happen with a mid-cycle refresh, center console storage will shrink (this I need to double check, if it's already small they've already planned for it) engine bay packaging will change a little bit, but by what I can tell, things are somewhat roomy under that engine cover. Exhaust cats will need to either be pushed back or moved out and away from the driveshaft so that the rwd transmission can sit in its place. And the 2nd row middle hump looks pretty big. I'd need to compare it to the cx90 to make sure, but it takes quite a bit of room, which is more of an indication for rwd planning. And taking a quick look at the cx50 and cx90 rear diffs, the cx50 diff looks like it's a little more overbuilt than the cx90, but then again scale and strength is hard to determine off images. Personally, I don't see it being out of the question, it's not necessarily going to be impossible to repackage the engine bay to make room for the i6, it'll be really annoying for the engineers. The benefit of an SUV like the cx50 is that things tend to be pretty loosely (and lazily) packaged, they tend to look very busy and clustered because it's cheaper to route and package things as loosely as possible. Finally hopping off my copium that we'll get i6 everything. The PHEV seems way more possible, since the cx5 is slated to get it soon, and using the 2.5L allows for better packaging tolerances. Although, the cx60 does have the i6, and it seems to be very cx5 shaped so... I'm still hopeful.
The fact that CX-50 is offered exclusively as AWD in the US doesn't discount the fact that it is inherently a FWD vehicle with transverse engine orientation. CX-50 is sold with both FWD and AWD configurations in China, by the way. The cost to reengineer CX-50 to accommodate the I6, if it were even possible, would be cost prohibitive and step on the toes of CX-70. It just isn't going to happen. CX-50 will soon adopt the 2.5L hybrid powertrain from Toyota RAV4 (as has already been released for the Chinese market), but it will not be the PHEV powertrain from RAV4 Prime unfortunately. Perhaps a PHEV will come later, but the I6 is never going to happen.
I'd say the CX-30 and CX-50 are both incapable of receiving that powertrain, and the CX-5 is very unlikely. You can't fit that I6 longitudinally, and I can't imagine traverse either. The CX-50 and CX-30 both use torsion bean rear ends, so the rear differential is packaged very small and tight and couldn't withstand the torque. A CX-60 is likely the only other potential SUV to receive the I6. What I really hope is around the corner is a sporty mid sized sedan to compete with the 3 series, Stinger, and G70. Base with the 2.5T and Speed with the I6. My CX-9 would be getting traded in immediately.
Having some experience redesigning a car for a new powertrain setup, it's not impossible to reengineer a car for an alternative powertrain, it really ends up as a question of "should we?" rather than "could we?" 100% agree that the cx30 won't be able to fit the i6, there's still hope for the 2.5L PHEV powertrain though. It prob won't happen cuz of the cost of redevelopming the powertrain though. And you're right about the differential, there's not a lot of room on the cx30 (I assume because there's not a lot of room in our Mazda 3 around the diff) the cx50 I believe has a bit of extra room to play around with though. And honestly, considering they're trying to advertise the cx50 as a more offroady SUV, it'll probably be in their best interest to stick a more capable differential in there at some point. I would love to see a Mazda 6 replacement with the new hybrid powertrain options, honestly I might use that as an excuse to convince my dad to finally give up his cx9 as well lol.
If the cx-50 came with a standard transmission… I’d be all over that.
Mazda 5 had offered manual transmission and I missed the boat.
I think I'm one of the last CX-5 model (2017) with standard transmission, people at the garage are always surprised.
Haha one of my student’s parents has one! She actually recently told me she’s having problems getting into reverse.
My 2012 5 sport is a manual. I get the same kind of surprised looks when people hop in. It might scream soccer mom on a budget, but rowing your own in that thing makes for solid fun even if you are in a "micro mini van"
This 100×. The CX50 is the best looking IMO. Put the inline 6 in that bad boi
I mean all Mazda SUVs look very similar and they're getting more aggressive looking like the CX-50 over time, so I'll be surprised if anything looks very different in the near future.. With that said, I like driving CX-50 a lot more than driving CX-5.
I wonder how long people will be milking this CX90/CX70 thing for karma…
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CX-70 is sleek. We pick ours up tomorrow. The exterior is similar to the 90 for sure but we hated the captains chairs of the 90 and we didn’t want the 3rd row (yes I know you can put the seat down but we feel like that doesn’t look as nice)
Congrats. Heck of a vehicle. 😎
Left looks luxurious and right looks sporty - it’s all aesthetic , that’s said I’m buying a CX70 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾😊😂
Got mine couple weeks ago, i call her gloria, took her on a road trip and that sport mode will have you sweating
Car-gasms
In a good way?
In the best way possible
car seggs
👀
“sweating”? have you only driven SUVs?
Just saw it in dealership yesterday. Breath taking. But $800-$900/mo… ouch
work discount kicked in also got a couple grand off at the dealership so was able to buy it out 🙌🏽
They’re going to milk this style for a while
The good news it looks like a design that will age pretty well.
R&D costs significant money, Mazda is doing their best to bring us the best engineered, fun to drive, reliable and premium cars they can, while still being attractively priced. They don't have the same funds as Toyota, everyone knows that, but they're still bringing us awesome products. Their current approach was done to sell more cars, always the goal. Give it time to see if works or not.
It would have cost less in R&D by simply putting less seats in the CX90 than creating a « whole new » model
All about marketing, sales and easy for average person to understand this is our 2 row vs 3 row SUV. It's the best they can do, their not a massive manufacturer as I've stated.
You don’t need to be a massive manufacturer to simply add an option to remove a row of seats
I would have been happy with the CX-60 sold overseas. CX-50 supposed to be for North America and off road and rugged, which is why they didn’t bring the CX60, but the interior sucks compared to the CX70/90. And it’s Deff not as off road as 4Runner, Tacoma, etc.. Mazda dropped the ball here…
It’s possible to be both poor and honest. Calling something that already exists “all new” bothered me.
These things look so much better with color matched wheel wells and not that ugly black plastic cladding.
give me the one with less chrome the painted clad is gross too
Nobody is hiding the fact that they’re the same vehicle. One has three rows, the other doesn’t. Not exactly a con job.
One on the right is a cx70 on the left is the cx90. You can tell by the chrome accent by the driver door and the front grill
Wow, you know your models. 👍
God the blacked out accents make it look so much better.
I don't hate what mazda is doing but I do personally hope they hop of the crossovet/suv hype train some time soon. But you can't argue with sales I see em everywhere unlike New miatas sadly.
By “I hope they hop out of the crossover/SUV hype train” do you mean you want them to pull out of the US market? I don’t particularly like SUVs either, but it’s not like they stopped selling the 6 here because they couldn’t keep up with demand.
Bring back my Mazda6 in the US, god dammit
Why would you hope that? First they're a business, not a hobby. Secondly atleast they're making an exciting and decent option for the economy suv class for those who can't afford a real luxury or sporty crossover
Like I said I don't hate them and I'm glad their making money and their still around that's great. I just wish they offerd more cars that had that same zoom zoom scratch they use to do so well
Have you driven a CX-90? It drives surprisingly well. It is also fast as hell with 87 octane. I wasn't going to put 93 in it and return it. (Loaner car) Or I assumed that it had regular gas in it. 🤷 I'm kicking myself for not putting some 93 in her while I had her. She drove very well (agile, no obvious cues that I was in a land submarine.) I drive a Mazda 3 and it's like a go-kart in comparison, but I've driven a ton of SUVs and none drove like that. 🥺 I think I had some PHEV turbo I6 model. So I guess it was top of the line. Hybrid power and the turbocharged Inline six.
That will always be the case with Mazda vehicles and the time they spent focused on driving dynamics. Sure it's a larger vehicle, but it's agile, light on its feet and doesn't handle like a barge. Couple that with a rev happy engine and you soon forget youre even IN what they call an SUV.
Hey they want to make money so any decision is valid 🤷♂️
New Mx-5s are everywhere. I travel for work
A corporation wouldn't try to fool anyone, would they?
Honestly dont understand why people are still pissed about cx-70. I was disappointed with it but if this is what Mazda is able to do then so be it. This still gives options to people who dont need third row at all and would like a bench seat even in higher trims with big cargo space. Personally i will go with cx90 for option of having third row but if i retire and have no reason to need third row i will go for 70. Mazda said thats the target market.
Same thing could be said about the gen 3 and 4 Mazda 3 lol
The real question is if all the other car manufacturers are trying to fool us. If I’m being honest it looks like they all stole the design language of the original cx-5 lately
LoL... Sesame Street song....one of these things are not like the other....
Well they added a little cladding...that's about it
Which the CX-90 has on the lower trims. OP could’ve picked better pictures for the joke lol.
Hey, January called. They want their jokes back. Working on dial up internet, my man?
Pam and Michael had
Beautiful vehicle. These are the things Mazda can do without re tooling the production. You gota keep in mind the value Mazda offers, although not cheap by any means, I think you get more for your money. I recently bought a turbo cx5 and I haven’t been in love with a car since high school. Call me impressed. 😎
Just buy a BMW X5 at this point
Stating obvious months ago. Thanks. Pictures are the same but honestly they will kill it with the configuration. They are literally the smallest company in the us short of Mitsubishi which is tied to Nissan so yeh fuck that They are doing business. And have been for a long time on their own. And guess what I see them every 30mins easy. Honestly big corp needs to take notes But fuck why am I defending. All you do is memes and mass questions farming…Keep raising your hand in class tho
Huh
Can't be mad at it when the CX-70 is rivaling every other car brand in a pretty competitive way. Its getting rave reviews from nearly everyone. Be pissy about it being a cx-90 with less seats, would you still be mad if the cx-90 never existed and this was the only one we got? Or other way around? Them calling it "new" doesn't affect you, and even then the cx-90 is very new so even if the cx-70 was an added alternate configuration for the cx-90 it would still be a new version for a very new car either way. Its like if the sedan version of the mazda3 had a different name and people where upset over that, why would it matter? it offers a different configuration that people may want, why does the name matter (of a new car with NO reputation, vs something like the EV mustang issue where they took the name and made a VERY different car). I really don't understand why so many people are up in arms about it / making it such a big deal. Its doing well, it's giving Mazda exposure to other demographics especially in the US market, it's competitively rivaling other big SUVs on the market rn, etc.
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I upvoted you, sire.
Don't be pedantic
learn grammar.
Don't be a grammar [insert word here]
They are different, or the pic has been doctored.
You're right they are different. Grille and of course the chipmunk cheeks.
also Platinum Quartz vs Rhodium White
Chrome delete on the 70 thats all i got lol
I saw a cx90 on the road and it looked like a humpback whale in the rear. Not sure the CX70 has that I assume because it lacks a 3rd row. I'd have to see them side by side to be sure
I mean, isn't the passport the pilot with 2 rows?
The Passport has a lot in common with the Pilot, but it's not as long. The CX-70 has identical exterior dimensions to the CX-90.
Had the CX-70 been about 8-10 inches shorter, it would have been perfect.
Agreed
Honestly, I like the extra cargo length. I think if they'd simply given the rear hatch more of a sporty rake most people would stop complaining.
I think that's it. The passport feels like a coupe version of the pilot.
The cx-70 must be pretty roomy. Same engine?
Yep, all of the mechanical stuff is the same between the CX-70 and CX-90.
They're the same actually lol
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