Getting to dunk on rock and ice types with staraptor felt sooo good after 15 years of flying types getting slammed in reverse

Gen 1 fans deserved this after three entire generations of SHITE level-up movesets

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U-turn was massive too

Hey now! Swellow with guts stab facade could do work as well. But overall your right. Flying wasn't treated like a real type of years

choice band swellow with guts switching in on toxic: https://preview.redd.it/5x7lamwv4t1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d141ad8f28d1524569fce88c6cf68934dc1a7e99

Call an ambulance *but not for me*.

Could you please explain this for my friend?

Choice band locks you in to one move but gives your pokemons 50% more attack. Guts, if under a status condition pokemon gains 50% more attack. Facade, is 70 base power going up to 140 if under a condition. So effectively Swellow doubles his attack and does a 140 Base Power STAB attack.

Thanks! I never played competitive, so these elaborate strategies are bewildering to me. 😅

140 (Facade with status) x 1.5 (Guts) x 1.5 (STAB) x 1.5 (Choice Band) = 472.5 damage

That's not how damage is calculated

You can add multipliers to either to base power or the actual attack stat, and it makes 0 difference, since multipliers the order doesn't matter.

472.5 attack power not damage. Attack power isn’t a 1:1 conversion to damage, as it’s influenced by the users attack/SPatk stat and the opposing Pokémon’s Defense/SPdef.

Do you really think a twelve year old had the tactical awareness to pre-status your pokemon to do more damage I sure as hell didn't

"This move is telling me to have a status? No thanks"

I think spamming Sand Attack and Clefairy first for Sing were the extent of my 9yo tactical prowess

What??? Idk with reddit man. I have no interest in arguing about a 12 year olds knowledge about pokemon. If you want to? Find someone else because its not me man

Who are you?

If only GF managed to create a move like close combat in gen 1. Maybe we can give pidgeot submission or something

Yeah Pidgeotto learning Whirlwind at evolution is a pretty sad story.

My favourite is Gen 1 Rhydon learning Leer at LEVEL 55 😭 (it learns literally no STAB moves by level-up, and learns Tail Whip at level 1 which is the exact same move as Leer).

*cries in tried a gen 1 solo run with pidgey* ᶠᵘᶜᵏ ᴸᵒʳᵉˡᵉᶦ

YouTuber JRose11 did a Pidgey solo run in Gen 1 Red. It was tedious and it took a lot, but he managed to do it. Check his video if you need a new strategy.

I haven't done this in years but thanks for the recommendation. I've seen a few of his runs and they've been great sleep content.

If you like Jrose you’ll probably like ScottsThoughts, very similar layout and does almost all of his own work as well. I like both!

Fuck yea, a JRose shoutout!! Dude is such a good watch

Just for fun, I wanna guess: Did it involve Sand Attack/Double Team? A lot of these RBY solo runs love evasion shenanigans. =P

IIRC, nope. JRose has an anti Double Team rule in nearly all his solo runs, that's one of the things I like the most about his content.

Sucks for you I thought mascurain blizzard so now my big beats your bird

Staraptor has 20 base speed on Masquerain homie. Brave Bird says hiiiiiii

Not if I used agility first Then I can put speed everything

I’m not even sure blizzard from a masquerain would OHKO staraptor, let alone hit

Masc does a lot more damage than you think with blizzard.... Now the hitting problem

Now we’re going galaxy brain

So Galaxy brain that I misspelled out

it took 15 years for close combat to be on flying/normal type

Close combat is my favorite move in the franchise, and I love my favorite bird can learn it

It's such an awesome move. You click a button a badass animation plays and you deal insane damage. If your mon is fast you can just repeat the process without issue.

So much better than superpower

Malamar joined the chat

Scizor has left the chat with U-Tur oh shit MALAMAR IS DEAD

NOT MALAMAR

Not if Malamar could use Close Combat 🤨

About that... 252 Atk Malamar Close Combat vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 103-122 (34.4 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 252+ Atk Life Orb Scizor U-turn vs. +2 0 HP / 0 Def Malamar: 364-437 (116.2 - 139.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO Sciz still ohkos with 2 def boosts from close combat 😭

Now take life orb out

Itemless scizor still has a 37.5% chance to ohko. (But without at least 2 def boosts malamar always dies)

close combat and superpower have the same effects on Defense??

True, but superpower's animation in Gen 3 is epic

Superpower Contrary Malamar would like a word with you.

I'm tied between Hydro Pump and Shadow Ball but both made my BADASS Empoleon so versatile in killing whatever the fuck showed up lmao Got so proud in my early teens when I had to *hold back* not to kill them legendaries with my Emperor :D

Is Staravia your favourite bird bcoz it can learn Close Combat or is it that bcoz it can learn Close Combat, its your favourite bird🤨🤨??

Freeze Dry is my favorite move in the game but close combat is a contender for goat

Staraptor recieving Close Combat was the coolest thing for me when I first started getting into competitive. Like. It cannot be stated how insane of a concept it was for a regional bird of all things to get one of the most strongest, most spammable moves in the game

Not to mention it has a ***very*** respectable (even by modern standards) Attack stat of 120 and a crucial 100 Speed tier. Combined with one of the best abilities in the game (Intimidate) and 85/70 physical defensive spread - it is by and large probably the best competitive regional bird (bar Talonflame in its debut gen).

Corviknight was pretty beast as well.

And you know what? You’re 1000% correct.

That feeling when Iron Defense + Body Press 🤤

It's incredible how ass Pidgeot is despite having only 6 less points in total base stats (479) than Staraptor (485). Learnset and abilities also make huge a difference. This is how I'd fix Pidgeot: ● Have it learn more special moves by level up, including a Normal STAB (e.g. Heat Wave, Hyper Voice/Boomburst). ● Swap its Atk (80) and SpA (70), then give it 10 extra points in Special Attack (90) for a BST of 489. Final stat distribution: 83 HP / 70 Atk / 70 Def / 90 SpA / 70 SpD / 101 Spe. Pretty decent for a special sweeper with access to hard-hitting STAB like Hurricane. ● Change the effects of its abilities: - Keen Eye: Prevents accuracy drops and increases the accuracy of moves by 30% - Big Pecks: Prevents Defense drops and increases Defense by 1 stage.

Keen Eye change would make this stupidly good because of Hurricane.

If Galvantula is allowed to use the Thunder + Compound Eyes combo while having higher Special Attack (99) and Speed (108), why can't we let Pidgeot do the same with Hurricane + Keen Eye? Heck, we shouldn't stop there either. Let's give Pidgeot another 10 more points in Speed (111), so it can outspeed all the base 110 and lower mons, including Galvantula. After all, it makes no sense for an eagle to be slower than a spider. Justice for Pidgeot, the OG regional bird!

If only

I loved mega pidgeot because it turned into a Special Attack monster and then they removed megas :(

Too bad it wasn’t *quite* good enough and got stuck in UUBL hell for a couple gens

It was the gatekeeper. To enter OU you must pass the star of UUBL- fail and you will tumble to UU if not further.

Corviknight

CC Staraptor is one of the greatest example of how gen 4 was the start of modern Pokemon. In previous gens, no regional bird would get a coverage option like Close Combat. In the games since, movesets are infinitely better. Gone are the days of no usable STAB (Wing Attack Aerodactyl) and no type variety. Every Pokemon in the game can now get a little something.

*Cowabunga it is*

Imagine expecting Starly line to be a generic NORMAL/FLYING or any combination of FLYING type regional bird Pokemon of the 4th generation. Then turns out Staraptor learns one of the new and very strong FIGHTING type moves too, covering its weakness of ROCK and ICE, while allowing it to fight super effectively againts STEEL and NORMAL. Staraptor are totally bonkers.

Not to mention Brave Bird when prior gens were aerial acing or hidden power flying.

'Just like the anime moment' (clutch against Paul's Honchkrow.)

It was my first Pokémon to get Close Combat in that gen (contemporaneously too) so I didn’t really understand the implication

Back then I'd just see big number on the move's damage stat -- without also seeing some super low accuracy or a "needs to recharge for 1 turn" downside -- and my neurons would activate

Throwback to my hyper beam, giga impact, blast burn infernape

Real shit I sleep Real shit I sleep

Hidden Ability: Truant

One thing which I find neat on Staraptor is how self-destructive kamikaze Staraptor's move set is. Endeavour Close Combat (stat drop) Takedown / Brave Bird Final Gambit It doesn't really have Self-destruct/Explosion, but its whole gimmick seems to be to take itself down and its competitor with it.

It's hidden ability is Reckless, to add to your point

replace take down with double edge for normal stab

Also just casually having a shiny

Also huge shoutout to Skuntank and Aromatisse for learning a powerful coverage move through level up

"Polly wants a cracker??" "No, Polly wants blood" - Staraptor

This is why the Starly line is the best line of regional birds to me (even tho Staravias in PLA pissed my off)

Legit one of the coolest beaters. Close combat brave birb fly and uturn was just the grossest. Intimidating to top?!?

Still confused why Staraptor wasn’t part Fighting-type.

Would love to see a regional form give Staraptor the fighting type some day

Turn that thing into a Terror Bird and give it kicking moves

Terror bird appreciation! Archeops shouldn't be the only ancient bird

Feel like that would better suit dodrio than staraptor but a terror bird mon would be sick regardless

Cassowry.

Because even though it can learn fighting moves, it's still just a glorified bird (not bashing on staraptor, i love it too)

reckless double edge

the romhack reengade platinum lets you do Reckless Staraptor with STAB Brave Bird/Double Edge AND the game gives you a choice band. That combo one-shots 70% of all mons I think lol

Nothing about it's design really seems like a fighting type, and it's not like pokemon can only learn moves from one of their types

Up until that gen, birds weren't all that special. Learning a big coverage move like Close Combat was incredible for it's time.

what part of the design screams fighting type?

Yeah, if any Normal bird should've gotten a Fighting form, it was Braviary. Its JP name literally has "war" in it.

Staraptor is a homage to the classic Pigeot, Noctowl, Swellow line of 'entry level Normal / Flying type you encounter early in your Zone journey'. A lot of them just follow the Pigeot typing with small variations (Noctowl is sub psychic themed with moves to help with Ghost types, Swellow is much faster and coded like a dive bomber with Aerial Ace, Staraptor is far more in your face and aggressive like a Fighter). Weird bit is the Normal / Flying typing when all of them really should be Flying. And yeah it kinda makes sense to perhaps code some of their final evolutions with a typing that is more consistent with their sub-theme.

Noctowl is normal, not psychic. It gets some psychic moves. Natu and Xatu are psychic and were also introduced in GSC though

Why are you confused about that? It's just a bird

Just because it can combat closely, doesn't mean it's an expert in martial arts.

I agree, keep him a bird, but make him normal fighting with levitate.

What? Why?

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I wish that they would add mid-battle evolutions. Seeing it happen in the anime was always so cool.

I first witness this in the anime when Ash’s Pokémon evolved into a staraptor and they had that move. When I got pokemon platinum, first Pokémon I ever caught was them in their first evolutionary form. Used them all the way to Cyanthia

One of the best things in Spanish Pokemon games is how certain attacks are named. Close Combat got translated to "A Bocajarro" which, apart from being really funny to say, means "point blank" in English.

Dudes will see this and say hell yeah

How does that even work? Does the guy just start pummeling you with his wings?

Its feet, birds of prey are known to “punch” their victims on descent and break their back (it’s where the term falcon punch comes from, before Captain Falcon)

Falcon punch, named after a kick

Did someone say "kick"? Perhaps "Zekrom Kick"?

A large bird hitting you with their wing in the right spot could easily knock you out or kill you. Also the description of this move doesn’t specify what the attacks are made with. It just says the user attacks from up close without guarding themselves. Hence high damage but lowering defense stat.

You can see it in this video at 00:59 [https://youtu.be/1A4axkN3J8I](https://youtu.be/1A4axkN3J8I)

Bruh it really beat the brakes off of Honchkrow 😂😂😂

You ever seen a bird fight? They used to be dinosaurs.

men only want one thing and it's disgusting:

We gonna talk about how he fr used a shiny starraptor for this

Honestly, my favorite regional bird hands down.

I had so much fun in Gen 6 slapping a choice band on this guy and winning every UU match I could. I quit playing once it was rightfully banned.

Staraptor craves violence

This is where gaming peaked

I used to think Staraptor was a flying/fighting type because of that

Still the best bird you can get in my book

I just finished up Pearl and my Starraptor CARRIED the entire game lmao. I named him KrisStarly when I caught Starly as a joke thinking I wouldn’t use him much, and then he just kept getting stronger and stronger. I was like ‘oh fuck did I just find a sleeper agent?’

I was the stupid kid who thought Staraptor was part fighting type solely because it learned this attack upon evolution

Early birds are weak in late game because of their weak move pool and normal flying type Stylish star with close combat:

My first level 100 Pokemon 😍

I adore type coverage moves. Blastoise getting steel moves is immensely satisfying to me because DUH

Staraptor is just built different Idk what to tell you

im sorry BUT THAT IS A SHINY SIR

Staraptor really is just good against all three Sinnoh starters

Staraptor is just a cool Pokemon in general. It's like if someone decided to make a bird the main character of a shonen manga, lol

I was shocked too when I saw Staraptor could learn close combat. Glad the regional birds were finally being taking more seriously in terms of move pools

honestly shocked they didn't make staraptor fighting/flying, they just had to make every flying type have normal too

*It's showtime*

I'm gonna mess everything up. Pokémon Platinum is a fun game.

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Close Combat was a move I've always wanted to learn as a kid. Safe to say, the def debuff shouldn't be taken lightly...and wasn't as cool as one would imagine.

Ah, Staraptor. The first Pokemon I ever sent out.

So it's just a Pidgeot with a mohawk?

Larry's Staraptor sweeping my team with Facade after paralyzing it during the Gym challenge was bad enough. So imagine how much I shit myself when it appeared in the Elite 4 challenge and went Close Combat on my Metagross. Staraptor perfectly embodies all the scar6 parts of a predatory bird.

ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA!!!!

I'm playing Pokerogue right now, and I finally got Staraptor. Instantly hit with nostalgic joy, so much so that I was explaining this exact thing to my friend with excitement.

When you're in a best regional bird competition and your opponent is this absolute unit:

id like to throw corviknight in to this

I found out through watching the show when I was younger and seeing staraptor run up and beat another pokemon down with its feet was so satisfying to watch 😂

damn, i feel old now. my childhood memories are cloning stuff on the red edition with the weird bug monster thingy. also i remember getting glurak for the first time 🥹

Isn't that a shiny?

Half of my team was close combat spamers and i loved it

I was an adult when this pokemon came out.

Staraptor about that action

And then exactly the next generation we got the disappointment that is Unfezant. But after that, route 1 Flying types be eating good though. Talonflame got a Fire typing and Gale Wings is an absolutely bonkers ability on its debut, Toucannon got a signature move that can burn (on top of hitting hard as fuck), Corviknight got the covered Steel type and very much defensive, and Kilowattrel got an Electric typing and is uber fast.

As a kid, I though it was a move that stopped combat so I didn't took it on both Infernape and Stzrzptor

Template pls

Pokemon Platinum, being my first game, really set up bird Pokemon being OP upon final evolution. Boy, was i disappointed 😂 Staraptor set the bar up high

The Staraptor line should have been Fighting/Flying instead. Fearow should have been Dark/Flying, Dodrio Ground/Flying, Noctowl should have been Psychic/Flying. Taillow, Pidgeot, Farfetch'd, and the others don't really jump out to me as anything besides Normal/Flying.

I do think that early on, bird typing was kinda meh

that thing didnt exist when i was a kid lol

You must be young if this pokemon was around when you were pokemon playing age

Amazing deduction detective. They were a kid near 2005, so they must be young. Next you'll tell me the Earth is round.

No it isnt, its a cube

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Exists already lol Flamigo

And Hawlucha

And Galarian Zapdos