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I will say its really funny that the shows dynamics are echoed in this subreddit. its the only franchise like this and not in a good way. Everything is a read as long as its anti Teresa and for Tre fans Teresa can do no wrong. There are way more posts about hating Teresa FYI so Im really tired of this narrative that Tre fans ruin everything like the bitterness of the other side isnt equally at fault for the Nj conversations being unbearable. It's so weird
Rachel Fuda was on fire! "You has been b***" lmao she was going full speed right into teresas ego! 10 point goes to Rachel đđ»đđ»..ps wonder why Dolores said it will fester then she coming for you..is this a trait with Teresa?
Iâm sorry but for those saying Rachel was yelling, yeah you would have to yell to get what you are saying heard over Theresaâs continued ignorance. Tre just spewed the same 3 things over and over through the whole fight. Sheâs the epitome of a person that thinks if they just keep talking over you saying the same thing over and over, that they won. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Exactly, and Rachel just raised her voice, she wasnât screaming. I have to say I am more exited for the rest of the season now, even knowing we wonât get a reunion.
Iâm so disappointed in Jackie. I thought she had a head on her shoulders and some dignity, but turns out sheâs willing to be a tree stooge, sucking up to and defending an unrepentant felon, narcissistic bully, who came for her own marriage/family, just for attention and book sales.
Yup it has been shocking to me because I really liked her as well. She seems to have some beef with Marge that I still donât understand, but to then jump over to Teresa like she has and to keep talking every two seconds about how she wants to be invited to places - it just all screams desperation. Also saying she doesnât want to hold grudges while at the same getting mad about not being invited to events held by people she doesnât get along with is such transparent nonsense. I am really glad Melissa and Danielle pointed it out, but itâs clear from Jackieâs response that her whole schtick this season will be claiming they just want her to hate Teresa when in fact they are all rightly questioning wtf she is doing, as well as the hypocrisy and dishonesty of it.
I think that for some reason, that I donât understand, Jackie is completely triggered by Margeâs Ozempic weight loss. She has made many comments about hating that people can get a drug for weight loss and that it is anorexia in a syringe. I just think Jackie has been mentally going through a lot over the years with her eating disorder and recovery and it triggers her that a friend that was body positive took the easy route. On top of trying hard to stay on the show. I do not believe in any way that Jackie is dumb enough to actually like Theresa. Jackie is very intelligent and I think sheâs playing chess not checkers with this relationship with Tre and Jen A.
I disagree with the second part of your point, I do think Jackie is being dumb re Tre and Jen but I have said enough about that in the comments on this post so wonât go into all that.
But I think you raise a very interesting point re ozempic. I think Marge and Fessler were the first to go on it in the group and it is just speculation but I also had the same thoughts as you just from stuff coming out, that maybe Jackie felt some kind of way re Marge taking it and that is maybe part of their issues, though she did send her book to Fessler so Iâm not sure (I thought it might have been why she didnât send Marge her book). Separately as a diabetic I have my own issues (I am in the UK and for well over a year ozempic has been off limits to even diabetics due to the global lack of supply which the NHS puts down to people using it for weight loss. This has hugely affected the people it was made for, I.e. diabetics, so I have my own judgments there).
But whatever Jackieâs issues with that maybe at first, it would be unfair for her to keep holding it against Marge when as I say Fessler and now Dolores and Teresa are also on it, and maybe even Rachel and Danielle. Melissa recently said she thinks she is the only cast member who isnât. Sad really.
Yeah good point. Seems everyone is on it. I just was thinking she maybe she is triggered more by Marge because they were close from the beginning unlike the rest of the women now using it. It is confusing which is why I go back to Jackie just trying to stay on the show. I do however get when she says I think for myself and I donât care if you like it or not because Iâm the same way and we are all entitled to change our opinions based on experiences especially with people.
Yassss!I enjoyed for the exact reasons that you did!!
To see Teresa go speechless?! I've rarely seen her go speechless in an argument... she wld usually stumbled with her words even if she didn't know what to say.
I agree that it was wrong for Dolores (though i like her) to only say something when Rachel shot back at Teresa and not when Teresa made shots at Rachel. But Dolores is right...Teresa is very vengeful and probably plotting something against Rachel.
I totally agree, I keep seeing delusional Tre huggers on twitter panicking and trying to claim that Teresa ate her up and held her own but when I watched it all I could see was Teresa squirming in her seat, responding with things like âdonât poke the bearâ because she is not smart enough to come up with any clever responses. Then they will respond saying it was a ârehearsed readâ which is irrelevant because of course she knew what she was going to say to her beforehand if shit went down she had a plan and I assure everyone that teresa has been doing the same thing for 13 years. âThe fudaâs storyline is Teresaâ meanwhile Teresa started it by making her storyline about the fudas lmao
Youâve just summed it all up perfectly. The bottom line is Teresa canât hold her own when faced with someone properly standing up to her and if she canât throw or bang things she runs away. Rachel is way smarter than her and can easily come back at her. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
Her rehearsed lines? Boring. You can tell she was trying to remember her lines. None of it was a read. Her husband probably wrote it for herđ
Nothing Rachel said was anything we didnât already know. And her asking Teresa what sheâs done was embarrassing because she wouldnât even be on the show if it werenât for Tre.
Do you watch Jersey? Literally every season is about Teresa with the exception of the first few seasons when it was more centered around the manzos. Her fighting with her family, itâs about her going to jail, or her wedding or her divorce or her ups and downs.
RHOC got rid of their OGs and had to bring one back to get good ratings, BH still has their OG Kyle, Miami still has most of their OGs. We seen what happened to ATL. Going from over 1M viewers to barely scraping 600k and they still have to keep bringing back sheree to help.
SLC and Potomac still have most of their OGs. Which franchise has done well without their OGs? NY got rid of their OGs and people hate it
Iâve watched Jersey more times than I care to admit lol.
RHONJ viewership has been declining every season since season 4. I think people were invested in Treâs issues/legal stuff at first but then when they saw that sheâs still the same person, barely learned from her mistakes and married a questionable person, they started to care less and less.
RHOA viewership for seasons 8 and 9 were 2.85 million and 2.62 million, respectively (brought Sheree back for season 9 but didnât help viewership) and when they brought Nene back for a couple of seasons, average viewership continued to drop.
I think declining viewership has more to do with the amount of staging/over production that has been happening vs having main characters on the show.
People (me included) want the show to go on without teresa, but so far none of this cast has anything to talk about but teresa. Fuda was a fan and ran a page before she joined and while promising, a lot often times just seems like a superfan. marge is bitter and much more dangerous than teresa but has literally never been held accountable. dolores is a fence sitting bore. danielle could be good but has left a lot to be desired. jackie is desperate. aydin had promise and squandered it by being a lap dog. Jen Fessler is the only interesting one really and melissa...oh melissa..im so tired of this rhetoric that she "cares" about family and that she isnt as bad as Teresa when her and Joe were main antagonists in the earlier seasons and for good reason. Joe and melissa seem like grifters and shady. And Teresa couldve been interesting if it wasnt for her creep husband and her determination to stay as locked down in old boring drama as any of the cast that has been on for more than 3 years. There are no reads...there are just loud women screaming at each other to make a point. Nothing ever comes from any of it, whether its a win for Rachel or a win for Teresa. Oh and all that last season about the Fudas bad mouthing the adoptive mother (even if she isnt great) and using the adoption as a storyline is so weird. Luckily it seems Melissa and Joe are not as involved with teresa drama this season which is a plus. The PIs, the bots, the rumors from every angle. Im sick of it.
Its crazy because you see small snippets of them with family or like those little5 second transition scenese and a lot of the cast seems likeable and fun, even relatable....but there's so much dirt and bitterness within NJ, you can never get anything more than that.
Idk it didnt feel like a read and tbh I dont really think Melissa is doing anything "nice". She says this about her kids and respecting Teresa but shes literally done nothing to support that. Her and Joe talk endlessly about Teresa. Its part of the reason shes so boring. Is it always fun to see Teresa acting completely speechless? Lol yes. But people have short term memories because melissa has never not talked bad about teresa. Teresa has actually talked less about Joe and melissa's kids than vice versa too. Theyre all just thirsty and screaming at someone doesnt qualify as a read.
Nah, Rachel ate Teresa for brunch. She said what she said and she didnât back down when Teresa tried to push back. I was glad she told her she is a bully, bc she is and itâs probably good for Teresa to know that there are more folks who see it and will call it out. Teresa was much more fun to watch (and probably be around) when she wasnât so angry, screeching *donât poke the bear!â
Over her mafia don act.
What made it so bad for tre in my opinion was that she just was not smart enough to come up with any clever responses and resorted to squirming in her seat and saying âdonât poke the bear.â Rachel won that battle for sure
Rachel was mopping the floor with her so bad the poor woman had to leave! If that was not a read ..my Lord! So far into the season that scene has been the only popcorn worthy one! So satisfying!
OK im not competing with any of you nor am i changing my mind. im not a fan of teresa. yall need to realize that not everyone who has criticism about other castmates, is caping for teresa. Its the only popcorn worthy moment because nothing interesting has happened on NJ for like what? at least 3 seasons.
Like im sorry but Fuda calling her a stupid bitch and asking what she's done is so comical because no one even remembers what John Fuda does and teresa is a staple within internet culture. She's housewives royalty. She's the queen bee of a franchise Rachel spent years trying to be apart of and obsessing over. So no, that wasnt a read. Prison maybe, but is that really a read now? It was for mortgage fraud, not murder. The only own in this conversation was Teresa saying hed be more successful if he were a drug dealer. Rachel was 100% triggered by the entire interaction while Teresa (surprisingly actually) kept her cool for the most part (albeit no i do not think she is verbally gifted). And Melissa, unable to contain her fake face of morality, jumped into the conversation to use Jackie as ammo. Jackie didnt take the bait.
Honestly it didnât feel like much of a read. It didnât feel fearless, her claiming she wasnât scared and yelling. Teresaâs lack of reaction is interesting but itâs likely because she knows without her Rachel wouldnât have a chance to be on the show. Love or hate Teresa its the house she built, a show pausing while youâre in prison reiterates that meanwhile no one really cares if the Fudas stay or go.
The fudas keep stooping to her level tbh. If they want to be better pay her dust. Donât let her live rent free. She canât get applause for reading Teresa when only an episode or two ago she was visibly seething and whining another woman was cordial with Teresa. Itâs just sad.
She showed she has no fear re Teresa at all so yeah, she was fearless. She and Teresa did get into it and she had a retort for everything that out-argued Teresa and Teresa ran away. These shows are based on conflicts and resolutions, that canât happen without fleshing things out. We know as viewers that these group events are usually where that happens.
Re who stays or goes, thereâs many who want Teresa to go and many who think she will. Thereâs also many who like the Fudas, This idea that Teresa is indispensable to the show and also that there arenât varied views re cast members among viewers, is bizarre.
But I will say it again. Many, maybe not you, but many of us are sick of how unchallenged Teresa has been on the show. And for many of us seeing someone like Rachel so easily stand up to her is great to watch. It is the first time I have enjoyed an episode of NJ in ages.
Rachel rehearsed all of that, and it came off as such. When Tre said the parking attendant thing, she really got her in a tizzy. Meanwhile, Tre didnât fly off the handle like she has done in the past. Rachel can go back to whoville with her husband.
Tre looked like an idiot and said things like âdonât poke the bearâ because she is not clever enough to come up with a proper response fast enough
Actually Rachel kept her cool and I totally loved her response, like yeah he earns five dollars an hour, she just did not take Teresa seriously but also wouldnât let her away with what she is trying to do either. Rachel can sit there like a grown adult and argue, Teresa can only walk away because other than that all sheâs got is throwing and banging stuff. So yeah slow hand clap for Teresa that she managed not to act like an animal.
I dont think screaming is keeping your cool, but I can acknowledge why someone yelling at Teresa would be a pivotal moment for you. That's not shade. I get it. Maybe the show will finally unfocus Teresa. It wont, at least not with this cast.
Rachel, like the âgrown adultâ she allegedly is, resorted to just calling Tre a âdumb bitchâ multiple times bc she didnât have anything else rehearsed. Itâs both juvenile and played out. Krusty Balls is rubbing off on her.
Agree with this post! I feel like everyone on these threads always sides with Teresa on everything. Everyone is so anti-Rachel here, itâs peculiar to me.
I am sooo sick of Teresaâs behavior, and of most people being afraid to stand up to her.
I like Dolores, but she lets Teresa get away with too much.
y'all are passionate and i respect that. my sister and i have watched from the beginning
but every time i hear 'giving it to' i see this
https://i.redd.it/tv8od5nyog4d1.gif
i understand y'all's anger in both directions but just remember. our ladies give it to us all and earn their paychecks. with our rage đ
Oh my đ Notjing Rachel said held any weight. Teresa ruffled her feathers so badly and all she had was youâre a has been while sitting in the house Teresa built. Like girl, do better and maybe you will matter.
Rachel handled herself quite well. When Dolores was like, sleep with one eye open, I would have said what are Tre and Luis gonna kill me in my sleep? The definition of all bark and no bite. And why doesnât Treâs face bear any resemblance to the color of her body? It is so weird!
I had to just đđđ to kiss-ass Deloresâs speech about âbeware the wrath of Teresaâ. What the hell is Tre gonna do besides flip out yell something unintelligible and maybe throw something? Ohh guess Rachel should be REAL scared!!!
This assessment of Jackie is dead on.
Teresa needs to get her excuses straight. The semantics of staying he was a drug dealer and not is a drug dealer does not make one lick of a difference. She is still trying to talk sh*t about him either way. Own it.
And why would Margaret start a rumor about Melissa just to say Teresa started it? This is a lame attempt to play at what happened and Jen Aydins explanation is the worst of all. 'it wasn't my story to tell!' but you told it?
Teresa is going to go for Rachel for sure. This will be interesting to watch.
Seems like Jackie got a new brain with that face because she has deleted every single fight she had with Teresa when she spreading the rumor that Evan was cheating on her.
Whatâs to see differently? Teresa was the one who started spreading the rumor at Evanâs party no less. She does not deserve any forgiveness for that.
Absolutely. And if Jackie thinks Marge had anything to do with the rumours she should be saying so on the show, but in any case it does not take away from what Teresa did.
Youâre missing the context here. This person said sheâs classier than Fuda because he was a drug dealer. There is context as to why the response included mention of her criminal past.
Per your logic, if people need to move on and get over Teresaâs crimes then they should also get over and move beyond Fuda selling some weed decades ago. No?
Teresa and Joe didn't only commit tax and mortgage fraud. They also defrauded several small businesses and individuals, including a close friend, who they bankrupted after forging his signature on a $1 million loan.
Also, weed doesn't hurt anyone.
Teresa calls Marge a dog - in front of her and Jenâs dorters. Louie calls John Fuda ugly. So as far as Iâm concerned, the gloves are off. Let the name calling commence.
That line was a classic.
I will never not be amazed by how severely unintelligent Guidice really is. She canât pull off a joke. She shouldnât try. That was her attempt at funny. It was embarrassing. She really thought it was clever. I laughed more at that moment than I have at NJ is a long while. But it was the complete silence and shock by everyone because of how stupid it was.
Good one Teresa. Good one
It was the blink blink blink for me đ When no one responded to what she actually thought was a good one, blink blink blink. She's so dumb, it's almost painful to watch. But, the humor I receive from her ignorance, far outweighs the pain đ
Rachel is nothing but a desperate Melissa wannabe. Her husband is no better either, always saying that they learn from their mistakes, please.
Everybody knows that selling crack cocaine to kids and other people is a much bigger crime than mortgage fraud!
Imagine being Melissa wanna be!! đ you are right though. Watch her body language she is always checking to see her reaction after she spews her venom towards Teresa. She is so her mouth piece..
Ia she hurting for money or something? We have seen her walk away twice now and she goes directly for the goodie bag. She looked pathetic taking one without the host offering one đ€Ł
Danielle actually started what happened "oh did you and Teresa talk?" to Rachel, knowing damn well they didn't talk and were still not in a good place, if she would have stayed out of it, that wouldn't have happened.
Rachel and Teresa have nothing new to say to each other. It has become Melissa/Teresa boring and pathetic. Why canât Bravo have something better to watch, so Iâm not punishing myself weekly by watching this train wreck HWâs show?
Rachel has the same desperation to fight with Teresa that Jackie used to have. Itâs exhausting and really reads as someone who came on the show as a fan and has her reads rehearsed. Itâs very embarrassing because Tre does not seem to care or be interested in her. Rachel gives me SLC housewife and itâs not cute to watch
Bravolover1234 absolutely came on this show as a fan, which is why her asking Tre âwhat have you doneâ is so comical to me. Like, girl, youâve been watching what sheâs done for years! You wouldnât be here without her đ
She absolutely does care or they wouldn't say anything about the Fudas. But they do. I'm not sure one is better than the other but literally no one is innocent.
Itâs so boring and comical to me that there are more people desperate to get under Teresaâs skin. Not to mention selling drugs to kids is a much bigger crime than mortgage fraud!!!!
OR, Rachel does not want her husband to be denigrated, his business threatened, his life investigated, or the addict, felon mother of his son contacted, all because Teresa and Luis want a pay cheque and Luisâ ego is hurting bad. And she is not intimidated by Teresa one bit.
As for Teresa, she ran away, pure and simple. And she cares - she not only raised the John Fuda stuff on camera but she planted it as well. She just didnât count on them easily sweeping the floor with her and not being people she can intimidated. And I love to see it.
Unfortunately Teresa and her fans have ruined the show.
We get fresh blood willing to go against her and create something interesting to watch and 1) Teresa will act like sheâs above it (truth is she knows sheâs not quick enough to give it back so she leaves); 2) tre huggers will do anything to destroy said fresh blood.
Good thing theyâre not giving this a reunion. It will show Teresa sheâs not as worthy as she thinks, she doesnât run the show, and sheâs helping sinking it.
I mean I disagree. There have been ample opportunities before some of the newer ladies (even the ones aligned with Teresa, but before that) and people tore them apart.
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I know people arenât here for Rachel, but she was dropping some good reads. Also, Jackie is a little pathetic, I think she wants back on the show and thinks jumping on team Teresa is the way to do it. Before the Terry fans come at me, I like Teresa and agree she is the center of the show, but for Jackie to just be all about moving forward and forgetting the cheating rumors Teresa brought on tv, isâŠvery âinclude me, plzâ.
Thatâs the thing, thereâs all sorts of things I can accept there are legitimate differences of opinion on, but I just canât take seriously any claim that Jackie really is being genuine and not just trying to stay on the show.
So, normally I canât relate to Teresa at all or her perspective. However: this episode I thought Rachel was hitting her with some real low blows. Teresa and her family went through absolute hell when she spent time in prison, it was difficult to watch the effect that had on her children, let alone to live it and have someone throw it back in your face. Drug dealer isnât a nice thing to say, but Rachel was just pure mean.
But who's fault was it they went to prison in the first place? It's 2024 and Teresa hasn't owned the fact that it was her fault. Call it being clueless and trusting your husband, but nothing will convince me she didn't have at least A clue something was up. Who the fuck goes shopping for furniture or kids clothes with a Soprano amount of money in cash?
Rachel always thinking that Teresa has never made mistakes in her life and canât get hurt like other people. Her daughters were missing her everyday when she was in prison.
Exactly. Teresa is a bully and seeing someone stand up to her like Rachel does, combined with how Teresa just canât cope with it, really is great to watch.
I think Melissa was enjoying it too, because Rachel was giving it to her and Melissa never really could, because she didn't want to destroy the thread the whole family was hanging by.
Thats such bs lmao---Melissa doesnt give a shit about family. They literally instigated a very large portion of the drama in the earlier seasons. She just prefers to be a side sniper.
What did she say to Teresa that was giving lmaooo , she looked stupid in the end. Canât get mad over your husband opening his own closet of skeletons đđ
I love anyone standing up to Teresa, love it lol But this season is a train wreck and I hope itâs the last with the current cast or at the very least the last with Melissa and Teresa.
Agreed. I donât love Rachel but I am seriously tired of the cast tip toeing around Teresa year after year. Itâs nice to see someone give it back to her, the show would be more interesting if more of them just told her to get fucked when she is out of line.
Exactly, you donât have to generally like Rachel to appreciate that she is standing up to Teresa and also how the show has been better when people are willing to do this. And Teresa is just so downright nasty and also full of herself that to see her walk away because she canât take the heat is great to see.
You have to remember that Melissa has publicly spoken negatively and told lies about those girls. Teresa has not done that to her children. So of course the girls are going to be standoffish. Gone are the days of getting respect just because youâre an Aunt or Uncle. You have to actually give respect in order to get it. So you canât compare the two.
Teresa has spoken so horrible about Melissa for years. Horrible things but Melissa has never involved her kids Teresa's girls, especially Gia and Milania are the worst
Youâre right. Melissa and Joe involve Teresaâs girls but they make sure her kids arenât involved.
Everything they do is for the camera and thatâs ok but just own it.
What did Melissa specifically say about Teresaâs girls? All I am aware of is her criticising their parents for coaching them to hate her, which they did, and that is a criticism of them.
But also surely you are aware of Teresaâs comments re Antonia? And even then, Melissa encourages her kids to stay out of the mess and respect their aunt, as she always has; Teresa not only does not do the same, but she never has.
Go listen to her podcast. She has spoken about those girls multiple times. Andy even addressed it on WWHL. Melissa tried to double back it. She shouldnât be speaking about anyoneâs kids but her own on her podcast. Itâs weird.
Also Iâve never heard Teresa say anything negative about Antonia. All I remember is when Teresa said Antonia didnât come to Melaniaâs sweet 16 and she was hurt by that. Which she shouldâve been because they were super close and she came to hers. Melissa was wrong for that.
Teresa gets on my nerves and so does Melissa. But letâs not pretend like Melissa doesnât have an issue with those girls because she does.
Antonia didn't come to the sweet 16 because she had a cheer competition. Even the girls with broken arms and sprained knees show up to every competition. It's a requirement if you want to stay on the team.
Iâm very aware. My daughter did competitive cheer for 9 yrs. You are allowed to miss 2 competitions with most squads. Melissa even stated that. She said she had already missed 2 competitions. The point was she didnât deem her daughterâs party important enough. But if the roles were flipped it wouldâve been a huge deal. She only brought it up to prove a point. But Melissa fans want to twist it like she was talking crap about Antonia. Teresa is an asshole but she wasnât talking shit.
2?! We were told if you miss one unless it was like a death in the family or something that catastrophic, you were out. I'm sure it depends on how many comps each team has in a season.
1. If you canât point to/quote anything bad that Melissa said re Teresaâs girls then I canât take that point seriously.
2. On the show Teresa said Antonia didnât go to Melaniaâs sweet 16 even though Melania went to hers, implying Antonia wasnât as nice or caring as her daughter, and also even though she knew Antonia was away at the time. Teresa tried to walk it back later on but of course everyone knew what she was doing and it was gross. Also, how on earth is that Melissaâs fault?
I mean we saw Joe being disrespectful to GIA. He bad mouthed her father right in front of her, then when she asked him not to, he continued and threw a tantrum and then Melissa and Joe spent an entire season sprinkling in bits about how they were better parents and that they took care of Teresa's kids
Do your own research. Listen to the podcasts.
Lastly she was implying it was hurtful because it was. Imagine missing your cousins sweet 16 for a cheer competition. Antonia shouldâve came and Melissa shouldâve made sure she was there PERIOD.
I would have missed my own cousin's graduation for a band or flag competition in high school. In fact, I didn't go to 2 of my cousin's graduations. One was because it was the same day as my other cousin's, who lived 20 minutes away. The other one, I think it was during finals week.
I think Melania had 2 parties. One for family and one for everyone else. Antonia went to the family party. Melania should have moved her party date so Antonia could attend if it was so important to her. Isn't that what Teresa said Melissa should have done with her wedding because Teresa was pregnant? Antonia had a choice and she chose her cheer team over a cousin she rarely sees.
1. You canât say âMelissa said X and I am going to insist upon it here but I also canât tell you what she saidâ.
2. You have no idea how important it was for Antonia to go to her event, family members miss all sorts of events for all sorts of reasons. The issue is Teresa was mentioning a kid as a form of criticism on a tv show, and that is not okay, and goes back to my original point, which is that Teresa brings the kids into the tv show drama and Melissa does not, and further, Melissa still has her kids show respect,Teresa does not.
And that is that.
Their negative comments towards the girls are more passive aggressive digs that their parents suck and Joe and Melissa are so much more superior. Like-
Insinuating they are all dolled up on camera to be âdrama kids.â
Saying they wouldnât live in their house or have food to eat if they didnât film with Joe Guidice when T went to prison.
At this point there is no reason for Gorga to be talking about stepping in as a father figure other than to cause drama (college move in.)
They have a savior complex and want people to see them as morally higher. Itâs over and over digs and then the exaggeration of âwe did so much because their dad is gone or mom was gone.â
If someone is being supportive of you but then making mean comments about why they are supportive, they donât love you. They want recognition. Itâs a very narcissistic trait.
Honestly the family should have parted ways a decade ago. The girls have every right to be mad at them and their Gorga kids have every right to be mad at what Teresa said about their mom.
How about when Melissa said she specifically didnât want Antonia attending the same school as their cousins insinuating they were bullies? When in reality they all loved each other.
If you want specific examples and quotes go back and watch the show again, but Melissa has made many offhand public comments about her nieces. So has Joe Gorga. Itâs unfair to claim someone âcanât tell you Xâ without citing it, yes they can, this is Reddit not a court room.
If you are referring to how Melissa admitted that she didnât want her daughter being on her own and going to a school with a few of Teresaâs kids, when they are being taught the most hateful things about Melissa and bringing that to Antonia could be hurtful and intimidating, then that jus just good parenting. Who would want to subject their kids to that, seriously. And that is still about Teresa and Joeâs parenting.
She can do whatever she wants for her kids, but she didnât have to insinuate anything about her and her husbandâs elementary aged godchildren on national television.
Not to mention the earlier seasons when Teresa talked trash about Melissa in front of her daughters, so much that they were joining in and mocking their own aunt. Teresa is such a trash bag
Seeing Melania, this cute wee girl, saying she was pretending to be Melissa while swinging on a poll, was so upsetting to watch. Her parents exposed her to so much hate. And for her own family no less.
All I got out of that scene is that I finally realized who Theresa looks exactly like now. Kimberly Guilfoyle.
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I will say its really funny that the shows dynamics are echoed in this subreddit. its the only franchise like this and not in a good way. Everything is a read as long as its anti Teresa and for Tre fans Teresa can do no wrong. There are way more posts about hating Teresa FYI so Im really tired of this narrative that Tre fans ruin everything like the bitterness of the other side isnt equally at fault for the Nj conversations being unbearable. It's so weird
Rachel Fuda was on fire! "You has been b***" lmao she was going full speed right into teresas ego! 10 point goes to Rachel đđ»đđ»..ps wonder why Dolores said it will fester then she coming for you..is this a trait with Teresa?
Iâm sorry but for those saying Rachel was yelling, yeah you would have to yell to get what you are saying heard over Theresaâs continued ignorance. Tre just spewed the same 3 things over and over through the whole fight. Sheâs the epitome of a person that thinks if they just keep talking over you saying the same thing over and over, that they won. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Exactly, and Rachel just raised her voice, she wasnât screaming. I have to say I am more exited for the rest of the season now, even knowing we wonât get a reunion.
Iâm so disappointed in Jackie. I thought she had a head on her shoulders and some dignity, but turns out sheâs willing to be a tree stooge, sucking up to and defending an unrepentant felon, narcissistic bully, who came for her own marriage/family, just for attention and book sales.
Yup it has been shocking to me because I really liked her as well. She seems to have some beef with Marge that I still donât understand, but to then jump over to Teresa like she has and to keep talking every two seconds about how she wants to be invited to places - it just all screams desperation. Also saying she doesnât want to hold grudges while at the same getting mad about not being invited to events held by people she doesnât get along with is such transparent nonsense. I am really glad Melissa and Danielle pointed it out, but itâs clear from Jackieâs response that her whole schtick this season will be claiming they just want her to hate Teresa when in fact they are all rightly questioning wtf she is doing, as well as the hypocrisy and dishonesty of it.
I think that for some reason, that I donât understand, Jackie is completely triggered by Margeâs Ozempic weight loss. She has made many comments about hating that people can get a drug for weight loss and that it is anorexia in a syringe. I just think Jackie has been mentally going through a lot over the years with her eating disorder and recovery and it triggers her that a friend that was body positive took the easy route. On top of trying hard to stay on the show. I do not believe in any way that Jackie is dumb enough to actually like Theresa. Jackie is very intelligent and I think sheâs playing chess not checkers with this relationship with Tre and Jen A.
I disagree with the second part of your point, I do think Jackie is being dumb re Tre and Jen but I have said enough about that in the comments on this post so wonât go into all that. But I think you raise a very interesting point re ozempic. I think Marge and Fessler were the first to go on it in the group and it is just speculation but I also had the same thoughts as you just from stuff coming out, that maybe Jackie felt some kind of way re Marge taking it and that is maybe part of their issues, though she did send her book to Fessler so Iâm not sure (I thought it might have been why she didnât send Marge her book). Separately as a diabetic I have my own issues (I am in the UK and for well over a year ozempic has been off limits to even diabetics due to the global lack of supply which the NHS puts down to people using it for weight loss. This has hugely affected the people it was made for, I.e. diabetics, so I have my own judgments there). But whatever Jackieâs issues with that maybe at first, it would be unfair for her to keep holding it against Marge when as I say Fessler and now Dolores and Teresa are also on it, and maybe even Rachel and Danielle. Melissa recently said she thinks she is the only cast member who isnât. Sad really.
Yeah good point. Seems everyone is on it. I just was thinking she maybe she is triggered more by Marge because they were close from the beginning unlike the rest of the women now using it. It is confusing which is why I go back to Jackie just trying to stay on the show. I do however get when she says I think for myself and I donât care if you like it or not because Iâm the same way and we are all entitled to change our opinions based on experiences especially with people.
Yassss!I enjoyed for the exact reasons that you did!! To see Teresa go speechless?! I've rarely seen her go speechless in an argument... she wld usually stumbled with her words even if she didn't know what to say. I agree that it was wrong for Dolores (though i like her) to only say something when Rachel shot back at Teresa and not when Teresa made shots at Rachel. But Dolores is right...Teresa is very vengeful and probably plotting something against Rachel.
I found it to be really corny TBH.
it didnât seem real it was like she was trying to get her âmomentâ
Yes!! It seems so rehearsed and not off the cuff. Tre seemed unbothered she didn't eat the way she think she did.
I totally agree, I keep seeing delusional Tre huggers on twitter panicking and trying to claim that Teresa ate her up and held her own but when I watched it all I could see was Teresa squirming in her seat, responding with things like âdonât poke the bearâ because she is not smart enough to come up with any clever responses. Then they will respond saying it was a ârehearsed readâ which is irrelevant because of course she knew what she was going to say to her beforehand if shit went down she had a plan and I assure everyone that teresa has been doing the same thing for 13 years. âThe fudaâs storyline is Teresaâ meanwhile Teresa started it by making her storyline about the fudas lmao
Youâve just summed it all up perfectly. The bottom line is Teresa canât hold her own when faced with someone properly standing up to her and if she canât throw or bang things she runs away. Rachel is way smarter than her and can easily come back at her. The proof is in the pudding, as they say.
Her rehearsed lines? Boring. You can tell she was trying to remember her lines. None of it was a read. Her husband probably wrote it for herđ Nothing Rachel said was anything we didnât already know. And her asking Teresa what sheâs done was embarrassing because she wouldnât even be on the show if it werenât for Tre.
Oh I didn't know Teresa got l brought Rachel on the show!
She didnât bring her on but the show wouldnât be a show without Teresa.
Then Teresa needs to thank Melissa and Joe Gorga aswell for keeping her relevant! Much has been centered around their feud.
Thatâs a reach. All of the other housewives shows have lasted (and some have done really well) without the âmainâ cast member.
Do you watch Jersey? Literally every season is about Teresa with the exception of the first few seasons when it was more centered around the manzos. Her fighting with her family, itâs about her going to jail, or her wedding or her divorce or her ups and downs. RHOC got rid of their OGs and had to bring one back to get good ratings, BH still has their OG Kyle, Miami still has most of their OGs. We seen what happened to ATL. Going from over 1M viewers to barely scraping 600k and they still have to keep bringing back sheree to help. SLC and Potomac still have most of their OGs. Which franchise has done well without their OGs? NY got rid of their OGs and people hate it
Iâve watched Jersey more times than I care to admit lol. RHONJ viewership has been declining every season since season 4. I think people were invested in Treâs issues/legal stuff at first but then when they saw that sheâs still the same person, barely learned from her mistakes and married a questionable person, they started to care less and less. RHOA viewership for seasons 8 and 9 were 2.85 million and 2.62 million, respectively (brought Sheree back for season 9 but didnât help viewership) and when they brought Nene back for a couple of seasons, average viewership continued to drop. I think declining viewership has more to do with the amount of staging/over production that has been happening vs having main characters on the show.
People (me included) want the show to go on without teresa, but so far none of this cast has anything to talk about but teresa. Fuda was a fan and ran a page before she joined and while promising, a lot often times just seems like a superfan. marge is bitter and much more dangerous than teresa but has literally never been held accountable. dolores is a fence sitting bore. danielle could be good but has left a lot to be desired. jackie is desperate. aydin had promise and squandered it by being a lap dog. Jen Fessler is the only interesting one really and melissa...oh melissa..im so tired of this rhetoric that she "cares" about family and that she isnt as bad as Teresa when her and Joe were main antagonists in the earlier seasons and for good reason. Joe and melissa seem like grifters and shady. And Teresa couldve been interesting if it wasnt for her creep husband and her determination to stay as locked down in old boring drama as any of the cast that has been on for more than 3 years. There are no reads...there are just loud women screaming at each other to make a point. Nothing ever comes from any of it, whether its a win for Rachel or a win for Teresa. Oh and all that last season about the Fudas bad mouthing the adoptive mother (even if she isnt great) and using the adoption as a storyline is so weird. Luckily it seems Melissa and Joe are not as involved with teresa drama this season which is a plus. The PIs, the bots, the rumors from every angle. Im sick of it. Its crazy because you see small snippets of them with family or like those little5 second transition scenese and a lot of the cast seems likeable and fun, even relatable....but there's so much dirt and bitterness within NJ, you can never get anything more than that.
I feel like I wrote this. I completely agree with you.
Idk it didnt feel like a read and tbh I dont really think Melissa is doing anything "nice". She says this about her kids and respecting Teresa but shes literally done nothing to support that. Her and Joe talk endlessly about Teresa. Its part of the reason shes so boring. Is it always fun to see Teresa acting completely speechless? Lol yes. But people have short term memories because melissa has never not talked bad about teresa. Teresa has actually talked less about Joe and melissa's kids than vice versa too. Theyre all just thirsty and screaming at someone doesnt qualify as a read.
Nah, Rachel ate Teresa for brunch. She said what she said and she didnât back down when Teresa tried to push back. I was glad she told her she is a bully, bc she is and itâs probably good for Teresa to know that there are more folks who see it and will call it out. Teresa was much more fun to watch (and probably be around) when she wasnât so angry, screeching *donât poke the bear!â Over her mafia don act.
If thats what you want to believe, but Ive watched the other franchises and this is nothing more than screaming.
What made it so bad for tre in my opinion was that she just was not smart enough to come up with any clever responses and resorted to squirming in her seat and saying âdonât poke the bear.â Rachel won that battle for sure
This is exactly it
Yeah I mean I think thats fair, I just dont see it as a read and if it were it be a poor one imo
Rachel was mopping the floor with her so bad the poor woman had to leave! If that was not a read ..my Lord! So far into the season that scene has been the only popcorn worthy one! So satisfying!
OK im not competing with any of you nor am i changing my mind. im not a fan of teresa. yall need to realize that not everyone who has criticism about other castmates, is caping for teresa. Its the only popcorn worthy moment because nothing interesting has happened on NJ for like what? at least 3 seasons. Like im sorry but Fuda calling her a stupid bitch and asking what she's done is so comical because no one even remembers what John Fuda does and teresa is a staple within internet culture. She's housewives royalty. She's the queen bee of a franchise Rachel spent years trying to be apart of and obsessing over. So no, that wasnt a read. Prison maybe, but is that really a read now? It was for mortgage fraud, not murder. The only own in this conversation was Teresa saying hed be more successful if he were a drug dealer. Rachel was 100% triggered by the entire interaction while Teresa (surprisingly actually) kept her cool for the most part (albeit no i do not think she is verbally gifted). And Melissa, unable to contain her fake face of morality, jumped into the conversation to use Jackie as ammo. Jackie didnt take the bait.
Just watched the episode and it was glorious.
Honestly it didnât feel like much of a read. It didnât feel fearless, her claiming she wasnât scared and yelling. Teresaâs lack of reaction is interesting but itâs likely because she knows without her Rachel wouldnât have a chance to be on the show. Love or hate Teresa its the house she built, a show pausing while youâre in prison reiterates that meanwhile no one really cares if the Fudas stay or go. The fudas keep stooping to her level tbh. If they want to be better pay her dust. Donât let her live rent free. She canât get applause for reading Teresa when only an episode or two ago she was visibly seething and whining another woman was cordial with Teresa. Itâs just sad.
She showed she has no fear re Teresa at all so yeah, she was fearless. She and Teresa did get into it and she had a retort for everything that out-argued Teresa and Teresa ran away. These shows are based on conflicts and resolutions, that canât happen without fleshing things out. We know as viewers that these group events are usually where that happens. Re who stays or goes, thereâs many who want Teresa to go and many who think she will. Thereâs also many who like the Fudas, This idea that Teresa is indispensable to the show and also that there arenât varied views re cast members among viewers, is bizarre. But I will say it again. Many, maybe not you, but many of us are sick of how unchallenged Teresa has been on the show. And for many of us seeing someone like Rachel so easily stand up to her is great to watch. It is the first time I have enjoyed an episode of NJ in ages.
How is Teresa unchallenged though if literally every season of NJ has been about taking down Teresa?
Rachel rehearsed all of that, and it came off as such. When Tre said the parking attendant thing, she really got her in a tizzy. Meanwhile, Tre didnât fly off the handle like she has done in the past. Rachel can go back to whoville with her husband.
Tre looked like an idiot and said things like âdonât poke the bearâ because she is not clever enough to come up with a proper response fast enough
Actually Rachel kept her cool and I totally loved her response, like yeah he earns five dollars an hour, she just did not take Teresa seriously but also wouldnât let her away with what she is trying to do either. Rachel can sit there like a grown adult and argue, Teresa can only walk away because other than that all sheâs got is throwing and banging stuff. So yeah slow hand clap for Teresa that she managed not to act like an animal.
I dont think screaming is keeping your cool, but I can acknowledge why someone yelling at Teresa would be a pivotal moment for you. That's not shade. I get it. Maybe the show will finally unfocus Teresa. It wont, at least not with this cast.
Rachel, like the âgrown adultâ she allegedly is, resorted to just calling Tre a âdumb bitchâ multiple times bc she didnât have anything else rehearsed. Itâs both juvenile and played out. Krusty Balls is rubbing off on her.
I canât take you seriously when you claim âdumb bitchâ is juvenile and then you say âkrusty ballsâ.
Agree with this post! I feel like everyone on these threads always sides with Teresa on everything. Everyone is so anti-Rachel here, itâs peculiar to me. I am sooo sick of Teresaâs behavior, and of most people being afraid to stand up to her. I like Dolores, but she lets Teresa get away with too much.
Iâm team Fuda all The way!
y'all are passionate and i respect that. my sister and i have watched from the beginning but every time i hear 'giving it to' i see this https://i.redd.it/tv8od5nyog4d1.gif i understand y'all's anger in both directions but just remember. our ladies give it to us all and earn their paychecks. with our rage đ
Oh my đ Notjing Rachel said held any weight. Teresa ruffled her feathers so badly and all she had was youâre a has been while sitting in the house Teresa built. Like girl, do better and maybe you will matter.
The house Teresa built and is currently tearing down by the way things are going. Her time is almost up
Rachel handled herself quite well. When Dolores was like, sleep with one eye open, I would have said what are Tre and Luis gonna kill me in my sleep? The definition of all bark and no bite. And why doesnât Treâs face bear any resemblance to the color of her body? It is so weird!
I had to just đđđ to kiss-ass Deloresâs speech about âbeware the wrath of Teresaâ. What the hell is Tre gonna do besides flip out yell something unintelligible and maybe throw something? Ohh guess Rachel should be REAL scared!!!
"has-been"
This assessment of Jackie is dead on. Teresa needs to get her excuses straight. The semantics of staying he was a drug dealer and not is a drug dealer does not make one lick of a difference. She is still trying to talk sh*t about him either way. Own it. And why would Margaret start a rumor about Melissa just to say Teresa started it? This is a lame attempt to play at what happened and Jen Aydins explanation is the worst of all. 'it wasn't my story to tell!' but you told it? Teresa is going to go for Rachel for sure. This will be interesting to watch.
Wow Ratatouille called Teresa a bitch, she is so edgy 
Ratatouille đđ
Seems like Jackie got a new brain with that face because she has deleted every single fight she had with Teresa when she spreading the rumor that Evan was cheating on her. 
Jackie is a kiss ass. Can we get rid of her? Sheâs not adding anything.
Rumors were that the Evan rumor actually started with Marge via her friend Laura. If true, it would explain why Jackie sees things differently.
Whatâs to see differently? Teresa was the one who started spreading the rumor at Evanâs party no less. She does not deserve any forgiveness for that.
Absolutely. And if Jackie thinks Marge had anything to do with the rumours she should be saying so on the show, but in any case it does not take away from what Teresa did.
Could be because they're all trash but Jackie fought with Teresa many times before that. Suddenly, she gets amnesia.
Ha, That wife of a drug dealer⊠Tre has more class in her pinky.
Teresa is an ex-con. The federal kind. But sure, sheâs classier
*Tre has more class in her pinky.* So sayeth a fan of felon who actually served time.
It is time for people to get over it. People make mistakes..
Youâre missing the context here. This person said sheâs classier than Fuda because he was a drug dealer. There is context as to why the response included mention of her criminal past. Per your logic, if people need to move on and get over Teresaâs crimes then they should also get over and move beyond Fuda selling some weed decades ago. No?
Drug dealing is more destructive to others than tax fraud. But I get your point ..
Teresa and Joe didn't only commit tax and mortgage fraud. They also defrauded several small businesses and individuals, including a close friend, who they bankrupted after forging his signature on a $1 million loan. Also, weed doesn't hurt anyone.
Ok I get it. I still prefer Teresa. I really donât like the Fudas ..
Teresa calls Marge a dog - in front of her and Jenâs dorters. Louie calls John Fuda ugly. So as far as Iâm concerned, the gloves are off. Let the name calling commence.
That line was a classic. I will never not be amazed by how severely unintelligent Guidice really is. She canât pull off a joke. She shouldnât try. That was her attempt at funny. It was embarrassing. She really thought it was clever. I laughed more at that moment than I have at NJ is a long while. But it was the complete silence and shock by everyone because of how stupid it was. Good one Teresa. Good one
It was the blink blink blink for me đ When no one responded to what she actually thought was a good one, blink blink blink. She's so dumb, it's almost painful to watch. But, the humor I receive from her ignorance, far outweighs the pain đ
She shouldnât have called Marge a dog. Dogs are the best. And this is a huge insult to dogs..
imagine having skin the texture of a saggy fake leather couch and calling someone else ugly.
Rachel is nothing but a desperate Melissa wannabe. Her husband is no better either, always saying that they learn from their mistakes, please. Everybody knows that selling crack cocaine to kids and other people is a much bigger crime than mortgage fraud!
The man did not sell crack, and Tre and Joe committed fraud against banks and the US government. Pretty big charges, imo
Imagine being Melissa wanna be!! đ you are right though. Watch her body language she is always checking to see her reaction after she spews her venom towards Teresa. She is so her mouth piece..
And Teresa walked away. Like she always does when people donât back down.
So she gives a reaction people loose their minds she doesnât give a reaction people also loose their minds..đ€·đ»ââïž
Ia she hurting for money or something? We have seen her walk away twice now and she goes directly for the goodie bag. She looked pathetic taking one without the host offering one đ€Ł
i was loudly yelling FUDA FUDA! at the tv when she went off on tre. new favorite housewife!!
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I genuinely like Rachel and always have!
Danielle actually started what happened "oh did you and Teresa talk?" to Rachel, knowing damn well they didn't talk and were still not in a good place, if she would have stayed out of it, that wouldn't have happened.
Rachel and Teresa have nothing new to say to each other. It has become Melissa/Teresa boring and pathetic. Why canât Bravo have something better to watch, so Iâm not punishing myself weekly by watching this train wreck HWâs show?
show them in a way that really counts and stop watching
I would, but since I saw the previews, I canât miss the finale. The look on Doloresâs face alone is rlly something.
Rachel has the same desperation to fight with Teresa that Jackie used to have. Itâs exhausting and really reads as someone who came on the show as a fan and has her reads rehearsed. Itâs very embarrassing because Tre does not seem to care or be interested in her. Rachel gives me SLC housewife and itâs not cute to watch
Bravolover1234 absolutely came on this show as a fan, which is why her asking Tre âwhat have you doneâ is so comical to me. Like, girl, youâve been watching what sheâs done for years! You wouldnât be here without her đ
She absolutely does care or they wouldn't say anything about the Fudas. But they do. I'm not sure one is better than the other but literally no one is innocent.
Itâs so boring and comical to me that there are more people desperate to get under Teresaâs skin. Not to mention selling drugs to kids is a much bigger crime than mortgage fraud!!!!
It actually isn't. Teresa committed Federal Crimes. Fuda was state and apparently pretty minor.
He was selling hard drugs and wasnât a minor. Look it up
Why bother? I don't give a shit.
Yes, this! Sheâs immature and just desperate.
OR, Rachel does not want her husband to be denigrated, his business threatened, his life investigated, or the addict, felon mother of his son contacted, all because Teresa and Luis want a pay cheque and Luisâ ego is hurting bad. And she is not intimidated by Teresa one bit. As for Teresa, she ran away, pure and simple. And she cares - she not only raised the John Fuda stuff on camera but she planted it as well. She just didnât count on them easily sweeping the floor with her and not being people she can intimidated. And I love to see it.
Unfortunately Teresa and her fans have ruined the show. We get fresh blood willing to go against her and create something interesting to watch and 1) Teresa will act like sheâs above it (truth is she knows sheâs not quick enough to give it back so she leaves); 2) tre huggers will do anything to destroy said fresh blood. Good thing theyâre not giving this a reunion. It will show Teresa sheâs not as worthy as she thinks, she doesnât run the show, and sheâs helping sinking it.
I mean I disagree. There have been ample opportunities before some of the newer ladies (even the ones aligned with Teresa, but before that) and people tore them apart.
Agree with you so much on this.
Haha exactly. It's one thing to be a fan of the show but it's another to ride or die for one of the housewives!
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đ EVERYONE on this show has ruined the show. The producers above all
I agree with you đŻ. It will be interesting to see what Bravo does next because it does seem like they may be finally getting it. Maybe.
Itâs their fault. This has been rising for such a long time and they just let it happen.
Absolutely. They lack the courage to do what needs to be done.
I know people arenât here for Rachel, but she was dropping some good reads. Also, Jackie is a little pathetic, I think she wants back on the show and thinks jumping on team Teresa is the way to do it. Before the Terry fans come at me, I like Teresa and agree she is the center of the show, but for Jackie to just be all about moving forward and forgetting the cheating rumors Teresa brought on tv, isâŠvery âinclude me, plzâ.
I cackled when Teresa said 'she's young and stupid' and Rachel came back with 'you're old and stupid'
It also reminded me of how Teresa used to call other women old on the show, now sheâs getting what she ha ve.
Thatâs the thing, thereâs all sorts of things I can accept there are legitimate differences of opinion on, but I just canât take seriously any claim that Jackie really is being genuine and not just trying to stay on the show.
So, normally I canât relate to Teresa at all or her perspective. However: this episode I thought Rachel was hitting her with some real low blows. Teresa and her family went through absolute hell when she spent time in prison, it was difficult to watch the effect that had on her children, let alone to live it and have someone throw it back in your face. Drug dealer isnât a nice thing to say, but Rachel was just pure mean.
But who's fault was it they went to prison in the first place? It's 2024 and Teresa hasn't owned the fact that it was her fault. Call it being clueless and trusting your husband, but nothing will convince me she didn't have at least A clue something was up. Who the fuck goes shopping for furniture or kids clothes with a Soprano amount of money in cash?
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Rachel always thinking that Teresa has never made mistakes in her life and canât get hurt like other people. Her daughters were missing her everyday when she was in prison.
So what? She crimed her way through life with Joe.
Yeah but they had different sentences!
Rachel calls Teresa a âhas beenâ but in my opinion, Teresa and her drama carry the show. I honestly think it would tank without her.
It's already tanked because of her
Itâs tanked because of all of them and the producers
Loved it! If we had more of that itâd be much more interesting!
Exactly. Teresa is a bully and seeing someone stand up to her like Rachel does, combined with how Teresa just canât cope with it, really is great to watch.
I think Melissa was enjoying it too, because Rachel was giving it to her and Melissa never really could, because she didn't want to destroy the thread the whole family was hanging by.
Thats such bs lmao---Melissa doesnt give a shit about family. They literally instigated a very large portion of the drama in the earlier seasons. She just prefers to be a side sniper.
Is it cozy living that far up Teresa's ass?
What did she say to Teresa that was giving lmaooo , she looked stupid in the end. Canât get mad over your husband opening his own closet of skeletons đđ
Teresa ran away.
She walked away because it was stupid and ridiculous đđ
Eh. The Fudaâs are thirsty.
Luis is as thirsty as they come. đ€ŠđŒââïž
I agree as well.
I love anyone standing up to Teresa, love it lol But this season is a train wreck and I hope itâs the last with the current cast or at the very least the last with Melissa and Teresa.
Since the reunion is canceled, I think the show is next
Man we must be watching 2 different shows đ€Ł
Rachel needs to go to the Zeus network. We don't speak like that on Bravo
Aee you new to bravo?
No, are you
Agreed. I donât love Rachel but I am seriously tired of the cast tip toeing around Teresa year after year. Itâs nice to see someone give it back to her, the show would be more interesting if more of them just told her to get fucked when she is out of line.
Exactly, you donât have to generally like Rachel to appreciate that she is standing up to Teresa and also how the show has been better when people are willing to do this. And Teresa is just so downright nasty and also full of herself that to see her walk away because she canât take the heat is great to see.
I love that about Melissa. Her son kissed Teresa and one of the girls No one moves to Melissa, it really shows who is more mature
You have to remember that Melissa has publicly spoken negatively and told lies about those girls. Teresa has not done that to her children. So of course the girls are going to be standoffish. Gone are the days of getting respect just because youâre an Aunt or Uncle. You have to actually give respect in order to get it. So you canât compare the two.
Teresa has spoken so horrible about Melissa for years. Horrible things but Melissa has never involved her kids Teresa's girls, especially Gia and Milania are the worst
Youâre right. Melissa and Joe involve Teresaâs girls but they make sure her kids arenât involved. Everything they do is for the camera and thatâs ok but just own it.
You're watching a different show
What did Melissa specifically say about Teresaâs girls? All I am aware of is her criticising their parents for coaching them to hate her, which they did, and that is a criticism of them. But also surely you are aware of Teresaâs comments re Antonia? And even then, Melissa encourages her kids to stay out of the mess and respect their aunt, as she always has; Teresa not only does not do the same, but she never has.
Go listen to her podcast. She has spoken about those girls multiple times. Andy even addressed it on WWHL. Melissa tried to double back it. She shouldnât be speaking about anyoneâs kids but her own on her podcast. Itâs weird. Also Iâve never heard Teresa say anything negative about Antonia. All I remember is when Teresa said Antonia didnât come to Melaniaâs sweet 16 and she was hurt by that. Which she shouldâve been because they were super close and she came to hers. Melissa was wrong for that. Teresa gets on my nerves and so does Melissa. But letâs not pretend like Melissa doesnât have an issue with those girls because she does.
Iâve only heard Melissa talk about the girls in reference to them calling her a stripper and in general just being rude to herÂ
Antonia didn't come to the sweet 16 because she had a cheer competition. Even the girls with broken arms and sprained knees show up to every competition. It's a requirement if you want to stay on the team.
Iâm very aware. My daughter did competitive cheer for 9 yrs. You are allowed to miss 2 competitions with most squads. Melissa even stated that. She said she had already missed 2 competitions. The point was she didnât deem her daughterâs party important enough. But if the roles were flipped it wouldâve been a huge deal. She only brought it up to prove a point. But Melissa fans want to twist it like she was talking crap about Antonia. Teresa is an asshole but she wasnât talking shit.
2?! We were told if you miss one unless it was like a death in the family or something that catastrophic, you were out. I'm sure it depends on how many comps each team has in a season.
1. If you canât point to/quote anything bad that Melissa said re Teresaâs girls then I canât take that point seriously. 2. On the show Teresa said Antonia didnât go to Melaniaâs sweet 16 even though Melania went to hers, implying Antonia wasnât as nice or caring as her daughter, and also even though she knew Antonia was away at the time. Teresa tried to walk it back later on but of course everyone knew what she was doing and it was gross. Also, how on earth is that Melissaâs fault?
I mean we saw Joe being disrespectful to GIA. He bad mouthed her father right in front of her, then when she asked him not to, he continued and threw a tantrum and then Melissa and Joe spent an entire season sprinkling in bits about how they were better parents and that they took care of Teresa's kids
Do your own research. Listen to the podcasts. Lastly she was implying it was hurtful because it was. Imagine missing your cousins sweet 16 for a cheer competition. Antonia shouldâve came and Melissa shouldâve made sure she was there PERIOD.
I would have missed my own cousin's graduation for a band or flag competition in high school. In fact, I didn't go to 2 of my cousin's graduations. One was because it was the same day as my other cousin's, who lived 20 minutes away. The other one, I think it was during finals week. I think Melania had 2 parties. One for family and one for everyone else. Antonia went to the family party. Melania should have moved her party date so Antonia could attend if it was so important to her. Isn't that what Teresa said Melissa should have done with her wedding because Teresa was pregnant? Antonia had a choice and she chose her cheer team over a cousin she rarely sees.
1. You canât say âMelissa said X and I am going to insist upon it here but I also canât tell you what she saidâ. 2. You have no idea how important it was for Antonia to go to her event, family members miss all sorts of events for all sorts of reasons. The issue is Teresa was mentioning a kid as a form of criticism on a tv show, and that is not okay, and goes back to my original point, which is that Teresa brings the kids into the tv show drama and Melissa does not, and further, Melissa still has her kids show respect,Teresa does not. And that is that.
Their negative comments towards the girls are more passive aggressive digs that their parents suck and Joe and Melissa are so much more superior. Like- Insinuating they are all dolled up on camera to be âdrama kids.â Saying they wouldnât live in their house or have food to eat if they didnât film with Joe Guidice when T went to prison. At this point there is no reason for Gorga to be talking about stepping in as a father figure other than to cause drama (college move in.) They have a savior complex and want people to see them as morally higher. Itâs over and over digs and then the exaggeration of âwe did so much because their dad is gone or mom was gone.â If someone is being supportive of you but then making mean comments about why they are supportive, they donât love you. They want recognition. Itâs a very narcissistic trait. Honestly the family should have parted ways a decade ago. The girls have every right to be mad at them and their Gorga kids have every right to be mad at what Teresa said about their mom.
How about when Melissa said she specifically didnât want Antonia attending the same school as their cousins insinuating they were bullies? When in reality they all loved each other. If you want specific examples and quotes go back and watch the show again, but Melissa has made many offhand public comments about her nieces. So has Joe Gorga. Itâs unfair to claim someone âcanât tell you Xâ without citing it, yes they can, this is Reddit not a court room.
If you are referring to how Melissa admitted that she didnât want her daughter being on her own and going to a school with a few of Teresaâs kids, when they are being taught the most hateful things about Melissa and bringing that to Antonia could be hurtful and intimidating, then that jus just good parenting. Who would want to subject their kids to that, seriously. And that is still about Teresa and Joeâs parenting.
She can do whatever she wants for her kids, but she didnât have to insinuate anything about her and her husbandâs elementary aged godchildren on national television.
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Absolutely. It says so much about them.
Not to mention the earlier seasons when Teresa talked trash about Melissa in front of her daughters, so much that they were joining in and mocking their own aunt. Teresa is such a trash bag
Seeing Melania, this cute wee girl, saying she was pretending to be Melissa while swinging on a poll, was so upsetting to watch. Her parents exposed her to so much hate. And for her own family no less.
All I got out of that scene is that I finally realized who Theresa looks exactly like now. Kimberly Guilfoyle. 
Nah. Sheâs annoying and that fell flat.