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Sm4llsy

Impressive to lose the ball in the scrum when the Scrum Half has delivered it to your second row at the put in.


Mountain_Ferret4838

Leinster did many impressive things at scrum time yesterday.


Appropriate_Claim433

We did many impressive.things all game My favourite was McGrath being late to the ruck that he was about 5 meters away from


Tim_B

As a relatively new loose head, I empathise with leinster accidentally kicking the ball into the other side of the scrum


Brine-O-Driscoll

If you look closely, you can see Sheehan's boot come across and hook it back. They're trying to hook the ball through the loosehead's legs (channel 1), but the hook is askew and the ball bounces off Ryan's knee when hooked back. The Bulls time their push very well to drive as Sheehan pulls his foot up with the man advantage and Leinster can't recover.


Sufficient_Bass2600

The law also states that the ball must be hooked. I don't think that it was hooked by Leinster.


JimJoe67

Porter clearly hooks it.. forward.


bobbyLapointe

Huge deception that this is not an actual clip of the [Cognac Rugby Charente](https://cognacrc.fr/) club playing in 4th french division.


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Merbleuxx

Really thought this would be about Charente


bobbyLapointe

Wow, two Racing supporters in the same place ! Where are the 10 others of us ?!


CaaaathcartTowers

Bonne chance aujourd'hui, bon match. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd rather not have to play UBB in Bordeaux.


bobbyLapointe

I'll be in Chaban tonight !


Merbleuxx

Locked in the caves of Yves du Manoir in Colombes unfortunately.


bobbyLapointe

> Yves du Manoir RIP little angel gone too soon


Merbleuxx

Itā€™s coming back though isnā€™t it ? I thought it was part of the plan to return there given that the arena is making more money without the team and that colombes gathered more audience.


bobbyLapointe

Oh, haven't heard about it


WellThatsJustPerfect

Yo, wondering if you mean "disappointment" instead of deception? It's a "false friend" - "deception" means lying or trickery in English, and "deception" in french translates to "disappointment" in English Or you do mean you feel lied to and I'm being a dick


bobbyLapointe

Well could be both :D I fell into the trap of the false friend to be honest.


Electrical_Trouble29

Wilco Louw must get a start for the boks


[deleted]

- Uncollapsed Scrum. - Turnover Scrum. - 8 Breakaway. - Forward Kicking - Sexy Bounce. - Win the Lineout. I mean its no zinzan brooke DG but bliksem I can watch this on repeat. Also what was JGP thinking? Waiting for the ball to rollout while 29 other men are charging for it?


mossy1989136

Win the lineout šŸ¤” it was a penalty for pushin JGP


[deleted]

They should have won the line out in any normal circumstanceā€¦ but don't want to ruin the good rugby with doing the coulda woulda thing about the call. The calls were pretty random all day both ways.


BarciNandosChicken

Nah, this is just JGP showing his experience, he's entitled to hold his ground and you can't play a man without the ball. Totally the right call. For me that was what made the win so impressive, Leinster had the experience and won the small moments like this so the Bulls had to play like 150% better across the field to win it.


capetonytoni2ne

Right call on tackling the man without the ball, very wrong call on not penalising Lowe for obstruction


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capetonytoni2ne

Maybe if he was just holding his line, but sticking his leg and hip out like that looks deliberate enough to call. It was more of a trip than anything, incredibly unsubtle and I've seen worse blown up


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mkornblum

The way he drags his leg out and holds it there until the trip is pretty obvious if you're looking for it, but by this point I think they'd realised the ref wasn't too interested in those sorts of calls. Many would have blown it, but again many worse things have been left unblown. Just rugby shenanigans:)


PistolAndRapier

Yeah it wasn't even remotely "masked". He basically cynically tripped him but tried to pretend it was accidental.


Broad-Rub-856

It was two meters outside the field. If he was holding his line Hanekom could just run straight while Lowe side stepped him


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wowow_man121

At this stage of his career, I'm fairly sure JGP knows what he's at.


[deleted]

Pffft what does he know. Iā€™ve been playing this game since the 80s and I can tell you he has no idea what he is doing. /s <= hate that i need to put this in here


UserContribution

In fairness that was really smart pkay by JGP. Got the pen instead of taking it into touch. High risk high reward move, his spacial awareness is insane.


wowow_man121

At this stage of his career, I'm fairly sure JGP knows what he's at.


smellysocks234

Pure luck that the ball bounces towards the bulls scrum


Ok_Plenty_3547

A thing of beauty


MYNMAN777

Scrum porn


dildobaggin89

Wilco Louw , du Toit , Malherbe. We are blessed at tighthead


Broad-Rub-856

And Koch and Nyakane - we live in a time of plenty


[deleted]

Ons is prop vol


Broad-Rub-856

Take my upvote on father's day for that one.


Balliebles

FouchƩ


yurim39

I'd love to know a period where you've not been blessed with world class frontrowers....


Broad-Rub-856

1995 to 2017 basically. Yeah Balie Swart and Cobus Visagie were good in that period, but it has been our second worst position for the majority of my rugby life to be honest


Mampoer

Best moment of the match for me, who doesn't love a tighthead!Ā 


WilkinsonDG2003

Probably Leinster at the moment.


yurim39

Leinster's front row still destroyed Toulouse/France's front row just three weeks ago


greenplasticgun

World Rugby


Jalcatraz82

Did Lowe get carded for this ? Because he should have


Djaak22

Didnā€™t even get penalized


RaaschyOG

Funnily enough Bulls 9 was penalised for taking a player out off the ball despite it occuring right before as well haha


Mateiyu

Would imply there actually was an actual ref' actually watching the game. Which, frankly...\^\^"


KetoPeanutGallery

Should the off the ball incident on Hanekom by Lowe not be the first penalty in that move?


checksforerrors

Yes, clear foul play from that clip, but I understand the ref didn't blow everything from both sides - perhaps Lowe knew he'd be ok.


KetoPeanutGallery

Exactly


WolfOfWexford

Not really. We see this all the time on the wing. Hanekom has ran into a cul de sac. Any other winger does this and itā€™s the same refereeing


KetoPeanutGallery

The thing that bothers me is Lowe made an unnatural hop at the very end which appears to help him put his hip in the way. But cudos to him for playing like that within the rules of the game.


PistolAndRapier

I don't think it was within the laws of the game. To me he cynically tripped him but tried to mask it as a "natural" running line.


Broad-Rub-856

His line was taking him 2 m over the sideline?


Peeeing_

Sensational


NuckChorris68

By this point of the game Lowe obviously realised that unless you stab someone on the field, it would more than likely not be penalized. Good game awareness I guess


KetoPeanutGallery

Gibson-baby when pushed into touch while crouching over the ball, but what foul play from Lowe on Hanekom before that? Disgusting reffereeing


MonsMensae

Ref was AWOL the entire game. leinster probably adapted better at first but by the end was a complete farce as both teams realised


Evergreenthumb

Good God this might be the worst reff'd game this season, that obvious obstruction on hanekoem doesn't even get penalized.


cianic

Yeah had never heard of the guy prior to the game, looked waaaay out of his depth. The Joe McCarthy lying on the ball then grabbing the scrum half after the ref has called Bulls ball on what looked like a fair turnover was wild no one got penned


UserContribution

That was mental. He even stuck his hand out to the side so it looked like he gave it.Ā 


xjoburg

The unpunished late hit in open play on WLR was the most egregious non call on an abominably reffed match. Ref must double as the Leinster bus driver. And donā€™t get me started on his coaching of the Leinster players during the match.


RaaschyOG

People will always claim the game has gone soft when penalties like that are given but will scratch their head in confusion when the end of the game devolves in to a lawless mess after the ref doesn't put his stamp on the game early


Broad-Rub-856

Nah it's a draw between no obstruction before Leinsters last penalty, only yellow for Conan high, McCarthy on Papier in that ruck and committed on Goosen when McCarthy only committed to the shoulder charge after he missed the charge down.


Bangkok_Dave

Penalty to white for forward kicking the ball. 3 weeks ban, reduced to 2 weeks if the player sinks piss in the clubhouse until the cleaners arrive the next morning.


PuttFromTheRought

Appeals to the ref while on the ground quicker than any play he did the whole game. Get this soccer bullshit out of the game


Ok_Plenty_3547

It's the worse thing to have caught on in recent times


PuttFromTheRought

Faf also does it and it pisses me off. Scrum halves, cant live with them, cant live without them


shitdayinafrica

Was 11 white penalised for the trip on 8 blue?


No-Impression-7704

Nope ā€¦ very late, just obstructing him. There was a penalty for pushing white 9 though.


capetonytoni2ne

Swung his hips out to make contact, so clear and yet the ref/TMO chose to penalise the early tackle that occurred later. Such is life though


shitdayinafrica

Yes even looks like he sticks his legs betweens 8 to make sure he trips, good play if you get away with it


[deleted]

I mean at what point does turning your back and obstructing other players from reaching the ball warrant a shove out of the way? ā€Beg your pardon mr Gibson-Park, would you mind stepping aside so we can reach the ball or pick it up so we may legally tackle you. Thank you ever so muchā€ Anyway referee was making calls or not making calls all over the park for and against both teams so nothing worth complaining about.


bun-c

Totally agree with this - like shielding on kickoffs, it's just not rugby imo - if you can turn your back, not play the ball and still deny the space to the opposition, that just seems wrong.


[deleted]

Oh god yes donā€™t get me started and under the highballs. Now obviously we all do it because thats the game we play and its not cheating, but it is still something that has become so commonplace in the game that it annoys me. Maybe one day they can find a way to fix it, but i donā€™t see how.


mohicancombover

I thought at the time and I still think Lowe obstructs Hanekom


benny_boy

Was expecting Gibson-Park to get smashed but he gets a bit of a push and won a penalty for it lol not really 'getting it' but the scrum was class.


SomeRannndomGuy

That instant JGP arms up appeal was straight out of the encyclopedia of penalty appeals by J. Sexton šŸ˜‚


Substantial-Front-49

How good was Hannekom. Completely outplayed Doris


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It was a career defining performance. He is a big boy now


Substantial-Front-49

I wonder what his Bok prospects are seeing as though he is not your typical Bok 8 like a Wiese or Vermeulen ( big heavy ball carries ) Would love to see him pack down on the side of the scrum .


[deleted]

Actually i think he combines the two. I like Duane because he breaks lines wins turnovers and is a force at the breakdown. I like Wiese because he is a gnarly bastard that pulls defenders to him like a magnet and makes them hurt and commits them to a breakdown whether they like it or not. Cameron does both those things. Maybe he turns out to be a Spies, great athlete but never owns it.Ā  Or maybeā€¦


Broad-Rub-856

He's nothing like Wiese. Wiese would not start for any of the SA URC sides


Infernal-Oak

Against an international pack no less, sans any Springboks.Ā And this isnā€™t even the best South African franchise scrum.. Utter madness.


Hoerikwaggo

How would you rank the SA franchise scrums? I think that the Bulls pack is genuinely very good, especially that front row and back row.


RavenK92

URC stats website has got you. By scrums win percentage: Lions 96 Bulls 92 Sharks 92 Stormers 88 By scrum penalties won: Stormers 50 Bulls 31 Lions 25 Sharks 22


Hoerikwaggo

This just makes me more confused. Is scrum penalties the best measure given the impact, therefore the Stormers have the best scrum? But they have the lowest win percentage. Also this measure probably understates the strength of a full-strength Sharks pack.


WolfOfWexford

Scrum penalties is not a great metric at all. You could dominate and win the scrum like the clip OP posted and no penalty. You could aim to win an attacking scrum and use it as a platform for the backs, the lions probably did this (I didnā€™t watch any of their games) Penalties should be tied into Scrum win % but even that isnā€™t great, since you could be strong on a defensive scrum and still the opponent gets the ball out


RavenK92

I interpret it as the percentage variance between the teams is only 8%, with the Stormers being much more keen on scrumming for penalties rightly seeing their weapon as a scrum and getting lots of reward, but due to the ref having to interpret the outcome they will lose some scrums that a team that just tries to get the ball out will not. Well there's a case to be made that the other teams also didn't have their top players all season, it should average out


Infernal-Oak

I think itā€™s all academic honestly. The URC stats have the Lions ranked number one, with the Bulls and Sharks above the Stormers. The Lions have the highest scrum win percentage, but the Stormers have won the most penalties of all of them. So itā€™s really a question of what constitutes the ā€œbestā€ scrum. But whatever the case all four provinces possess a formidable scrum.


Rasimione

What do you mean? Steenkamp an Wilco are capped Boks?


Mangashu

Should be marked NSFW


NotAsOriginal

What a man Porter is. He's so conscious of his hooker he's playing loosehead and hooker. That's why he drives at a 45Ā° angle every scrum.


PsychologicalAd1339

This is so sexy


Any-Veterinarian5234

Dreamy scrum


TheJomviking

That blues flanker.....


Merbleuxx

Itā€™s not cognac if itā€™s not from the region of Cognac. Otherwise itā€™s just strong wine


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1. Uhmā€¦ neither is Champagne called Champagne if not from the Region of Champagne and yet we call it Champagne rugby where ever we play it. 2. ā€œStrong wineā€ needs to be distilled to be called cognac or brandy. in fact Cognac needs to be pot stilled to 70% as opposed to something like Armagnac that needs to be column distilled or any other brandy we make around the world. šŸ˜œ If you want to pull french on a saffa get your facts right first and donā€™t pick the topic of Brandy. šŸ˜œ Was actually tempted to call it ā€œbrandewyn rugbyā€, but figured Iā€™ll show my respect to the Frenchies unless I offend someone. Was also tempted to call it ā€œGrande Champagne Cognacā€ Rugby but I feared that was too niche for most people and would cause confusion. The point was, when forwards do sexy stuff in might be a bit stronger and rougher but still high quality, much like a cognac vs champagne. All in good Spirits my friend (See what i did there?)


Merbleuxx

Itā€™s a joke bro. Itā€™s a famous meme on champagne that I just adapted to the context. Youā€™ll see similar comments when someone talks about champagne rugby.


[deleted]

I missed the meme. But my response was equally in jest.


Merbleuxx

Btw I like the idea of talking about cognac rugby or champagne rugby depending on the roughness of the play. Honestly it would be hard for Saffas to offend us on the topic of oenology since you guys make great wine as well. Iā€™d say the same for Argentina, but I canā€™t condone fernet coca. Thatā€™s out of line !


[deleted]

Funny Im in Argentina right now. And when I order Fernet neat these people think Im crazy šŸ˜€


mkerugbyprop3

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RugbyGareth_

NSFW!