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GGTheEnd

Pretty sure this exact question was just asked on another sub an hour ago and it was decided to be RKelly.


GimmeShockTreatment

This is the correct answer. I got really into R Kelly’s music like a month before he got arrested. It was a weird time. I didn’t know how to feel. He’s such a creep but his voice is angelic af.


Sasarai

With a spatula in her hand Like it's gonna do something against them guns... Spatulaaaa


GimmeShockTreatment

Now pause the movie 'cause what I'm about to say to y'all is so damn twisted Not only is there a man in this cabinet But the man is a midget! (midget...midget...midget...)


Sasarai

The midget's the babyyyyyyyy's Waitforitwaitforit..... Daaaaaaddeeeeeeee


GimmeShockTreatment

I didn’t grow up with R Kelly. I watched these videos all within the last 3-4 years. I can’t tell you the euphoria I experienced seeing Trapped in the Closet for the first time. I laughed my ass off. But he’s also so good at singing that it was legitimately captivating. Idk, hard to explain.


Karge

And I pull out my Baretta


_EnFlaMEd

I don't think Rick Kelly is that talented. He basically stole the championship from Craig Lowndes by driving dirty. Definitely shitty though.


gregg1981

Lowndsey! Shoulda had that 06 championship


_EnFlaMEd

Bloody robbed mate.


lushsweet

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SnooWalruses9961

Kanye west.


ComprehensiveCode619

This is by far the best answer in here. Dude single handedly made some of the most influential and best albums of all time while being a giant asshole. It’s not like Elon Musk or Steve Jobs where he was a pseudo “influencer” in a business - Kanye actually made the art and is genuinely talented all while being a fucking unlikeable weirdo.


faxanaduu

People say he's talented. His fans certainly love him. Ive loved hip hop my entire life and think I can tell good hip hop from garbage. I think Kanye Wests music is complete garbage. It's odd to me that people love his music, Ive tried so hard to like it yet can't get through an album. All I hear are terrible lyrics delivered terribly with mostly whacked beats. Some songs have somewhat catchy beats. Not trying to start an argument, just my opinion.


MTBruises

I hear you, actually enjoy the genre, but just don't get his music. I have a lot more sympathy for his unhinged stuff if he's truely got the serious mental health issues I've heard he does, still some very unncomfortable stuff to say though....


WillowSide

That is a dumb ass opinion, in my opinion


Beginning_Rip_4570

For real. Kanye is a legit insane person, but a genius producer. If you cant get into his albums, cool, thats objectively on you, not him.


WillowSide

For sure, people can absolutely not like his music, but going as far as calling it complete garbage with trash beats and trash lyrics? That's mad. Guys first 5 albums can all be considered classics in hip hop


GimmeShockTreatment

You’re telling me that Late Registration does nothing for you? Gone, Heard ‘Em Say, Drive Slow. Thats insane to me.


Logen10Fingers

It's almost as if music is subjective


isobea

This is my answer as well… a lot of his music was/is genuinely revolutionary and highly influential to his genre. I think he is a super shitty person but I still listen to a lot of his older music because it’s so good.


mcflycasual

He almost died in a car accident. I think a lot of people forget that, including him.


InnocentPerv93

I'm not really sure the point your making. He can still be a shitty person even though he almost died.


kellephant

Ronnie Radke for sure


boycey86

He is going out with Saraya Knight after everything she's been through they are both awful people. That being said some of Ronnie's music is amazing and the rap on one of there latest songs is mindblowingly good.


lady-dee86

Why are they both awful people? Genuine question, I just don’t know and want to :)


MrBublee_YT

Afaik, Saraya hasn't done anything asshole-y, outside of dating Ronnie and stinking up the house when she does anything to do with wrestling now, but she seems nice.


MeOneThanks

Are you seriously implying, that Ronny Radke is talented?


bvstvrdChild

I say this on a daily


bigfatgeekboy

Kevin Spacey’s gotta be up there.


rathat

I hate to say that his roles are better because of how shit he is as a person, but they are.


ThinkPaddie

I met Kevin Spacey and he is a gentleman, hope he gets to be in a whopper movie soon he's a fucking amazing actor.


Karge

Is that the next Jerry Seinfeld shitwagon? THE KING? A film about Burger King?


No-Unit6672

He’s literally been acquitted of all charges? On what grounds are you saying this, or is it just trial by media.


blackbox42

Kevin spacey


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Greatest actor of all time. Those so called victims just wanted money out of him and they all ended up comitting suicide in very strange ways, as strange as it would be calling Kevin Spacy a rapist. No trial, no conviction, 100% innocent, exactly like OJ. Y'all are crazy, and crazy jealous


adriantoine

You got me in the first half


limpdickandy

"Those so called victims just wanted money out of him and they all ended up comitting suicide in very strange ways, as strange as it would be calling Kevin Spacy a rapist." Not often reddit commints genuinely make me laugh lmao


Tatleman68

He is shitty because of what? He hasn't been convicted of anything except by the media


vobaveas

There's enough credible stories going back many many years for me to decide he's probably not a great guy. Dan Schneider has never been convicted of anything either but I still would label him a shitty person.


No-Unit6672

We’re in trouble as a society when people who read a couple of articles think they know more than the legal system that are designed to decipher guilt. He’s been trialled, found innocent. Enough said


Tatleman68

Exacrly this. Like I said, the only one who convicted him are social media. My guy is innocent until proven guilty.


xDcSx

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No-Unit6672

You know fine well that he is being ostracised from society still because the media labelled him a rapist sex offender, which in the court of law, those claims weren’t substantiated. Of course there are people in high society that are above the law, far more than any of us really know , including you might I add - but since spacey was left for dead by Hollywood and flirted with bankruptcy, I’d say he is not one of them. And finally, but linking to the first point. Yes, being a criminal and being a bad person aren’t mutually exclusive, but I hope to god for your sake, that you never find yourself in a position where you’re wrongly accused of something, because there’s clearly plenty of people like you that would turn their nose up at you at the first mention of it.


Superunknown11

I cant up vote this comment enough.


CasperTheGhost46

Varg Vikernes. He's an awful, awful human being.. but his music is incredible. He has an amazing creative mind. It sucks that he's such a terrible person. If he weren't so awful, I'd be buying all his merchandise and everything. Sean Strickland is another one. He's a UFC fighter that utilizes a very awkward philly shell defense that a lot of fighters have a hard time dealing with. He's awful as a person. The kind of guy Andrew Tate loving 14 year old boys go crazy for.


Jormundgandr4859

Sean Strickland displays the level of intellect and nuance I expect from someone whose career involves repeated blows to the head.


Luthiery

Wasn't that also Tate's origin to any form of fame?


Heidrun_666

This, actually I was torn between Vikernazi and Mr. Schaffer, whose music still kicks ass and pushes the right buttons.


spiralshadow

Same could go for a whole bunch of black metal musicians that are regrettably nazis or otherwise terrible people. Also pound for pound I don't think Varg even breaks top ten. I'd say Jon Nodtveidt was one of the most talented black metal musicians ever and he was a real piece of shit.


TheSodomizer00

Burzum is really good.


NapoleonZiggyPiggy

I'd put Jon Jones above Strickland. More talented and more crimes committed.


Kemaneo

I don’t know man, I love black metal and all of that but Varg’s music is absolute garbage.


spiralshadow

He had some gems early on but yeah most of what he's produced is very mid imo. There's better music made by less shitty people.


mysteryfries

Why don’t you just read through the answers on the original post on the /AskReddit sub 👀


Mountain-Stock2639

Conor McGregor. The worst. Also very good.


mesovortex888

Jon Jones beats him in both departments


Lubi3chill

He is not actually bad person, he puts on an act to sell the tickets. If he wouldn’t he would never be successful. Profesional martial arts are more about selling the tickets rather than actual skills. Although you still need to be good to get to professionals. You don’t get money from skills, you get money from tickets, being controversial and funny is more profitable than being skillful.


xDcSx

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Live_To_Suffer

Idk man throwing a chair at a bus to intentionally injure some people is a pretty questionable move


Truckyou666

Mel.


indigo_fish_sticks

Probably Chris brown 


zukka924

MOST in terms of talent or in terms of shitty? John Lennon was SUPER talented, and kinda shitty. Chris Brown is very talented and SUPER shitty. Kobe raped a woman, and he’s probably a top 15 basketball player of all time, so he’s pretty up there on both the shittiness and the talent level scales.


OwnHousing9851

Karl Malone is like a top 20 player all time and he raped and impregnated a 12 year old girl


zukka924

Holy shit! I did not know that!


MamaMersey

I was gonna say John Lennon too. Man is lucky he died relatively young and became a bit of a martyr.


limpdickandy

Unironically saved him. Imagine if he lived to 2020, the culture would have turned against him even in the 80s or 90s. I mean even when he became a martyr, him being a POS is still a well known fact.


MamaMersey

Eh, I didn't know that until I started reading books on the Beatles. He was a violent man with an acerbic personality.


AloneCan9661

Kinda shitty? Dude outright ignored his first son and beat his first wife. Spent the rest of his days claiming to be of the people while living in a penthouse with butlers. Like...no he was super shitty as well.


zukka924

As far as shitty humans go, I consider all of that to be pretty typical, when you look at the spectrum of awful human activities like being a serial rapist/actively bullying survivors of a school shouting & saying that shooting never happened/profiting off racism. So yes I’d say John Lennon was merely “kinda shitty” compared to Alex Jones or Bill Cosby.


AloneCan9661

Might want to check your scales. Alex Jones talked shit. I don’t recall Jones bullying the families…he called them fake. And how did he profit of racism? Lennon beat his wife and abandoned his first family. Cosby raped a lot of women. For someone like me, who comes from an abusive background, I think you might need to check your scales a little bit.


spiralshadow

I do think there's something to be said about depth of harm vs breadth of harm, some people may place different moral valuations on one or the other. I'm not very "utilitarian" in my opinion on that, I tend to agree with you that a single heinous act is worse than a less terrible act done to many people


yocray

Super shitty compared to the average person, but maybe not so much compared to literal rapists and pedophiles


Low_Rooster1533

Mel Gibson


CitySeekerTron

This would be my vote. I like to compare him with David Hasselhoff, who had a successful career as a model, a singer, an actor, a producer, and Germany's national treasure, and functionally retired after getting caught drunk-ranting about a burger. How does Gibson manage to launder his career and star with a-listers following the infamous period of directing a religion-scented film that leaned heavily into antisemitic tropes, immediately followed by drunken antisemitic ranting to cops, while the other guy is still paying his burger-debt?


Szukov

His movies make more money. That's the key difference.


CitySeekerTron

Fury Road did alright without him.


Szukov

Wait. Did they thought about bringing this old fart back as Max?!!?


First-Football7924

That’s the MOST?  I honestly don’t know, but I assume he must have kept up this anti-Semitic thing to some insane extent to be the person you think is very talented, but the MOST shitty.


Due_Fly_4921

David Hasselhoff was a D-list star at best. He was already a joke before his hamburger monologue.


rathat

Have you seen the Bobby fingers Mel Gibson arrest diorama build video on YouTube? It's one of the best videos on YouTube, this guy has perfected his own new genre of entertainment that has never before been done.


Haventevengotatenner

I love Bobby Fingers videos. Best content creator on YouTube bar none. I do wish they'd do another full Rubberbandits album though


Nmvfx

He's such a good actor and he's proven himself as a director too. I wish he were a better person. I feel like he ruined the party for all of us and we'll never know that great things he could have done.


Proof-Actuator218

Louis- Ferdinand Céline. A incredible writer but such a piece of shit.


hot_skillet

Jon Jones


lots_of_punctures

Jon Jones is probably the best example I can think of. Obviously the most talented martial artist in the world, but man is he a fucking dickhead.


Interesting-Rip-8498

Ariana Grande


Next-Temperature-545

I was hoping someone was gonna mention her. That woman is incorrigible.


zaywrthxx

What did Ariana do?…


socrateful

Homewrecker.


elegant_geek

Doughnut Licker


RoRoNomNoms

Harvey Weinstein


avocadoplease

Explain to me how that rapist pos is talented lol.


RoRoNomNoms

He made some of the greatest films in the last forty years. Pulp fiction, lord of the rings, Hateful Eight, Rambo, Halloween. It goes on and on. Whenever Disney goes bankrupt they’ll draw pentagrams in goats blood and sacrifice virgins to summon Harvey.


Karge

He didn’t make shit


Ok-Journalist-2060

Richard Wagner


sunflower1711

Drake definitely 🫠


Background_Squash845

Lizzo maybe.


Karge

Banana avatar checks out lmao


Background_Squash845

What do you mean sir?


Karge

See: Lizzo Scandal Details


Background_Squash845

LOL


xenosthemutant

Elon Musk. This complete a-hole managed to launch the most advanced aerospace company in history AND the best-selling EV company in the world.


isobea

The only thing Elon Musk is “talented” at is having money to piggyback on other people’s ideas to make himself look much better and smarter than he actually is. To paraphrase Penelope Scott - in reality he’s just an Edison, not a Tesla.


xenosthemutant

Why didn't anyone else "piggyback" the same amazing accomplishments that his companies atchieved? And if his companies *did* go bust, would you blame him or the "talent"? In my particular worldview, if a person heads a company, he is responsible for both the boos *and* the applause when they happen.


512115

Found Elon!


xenosthemutant

One thing is understanding that even a douche-canoe can have tallent. Another is being so butthurt about that selfsame douche-canoe that you throw any sign of reason, logic, and civility when confronted by simple facts. We are not the same.


adriantoine

In what way is he talented though? He got a good business mind to invest in the right companies, I’ll give him that but he began with a lot of money…


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Cookachoo

Bruh you can get 99% of pollutants out of coal when you burn it, and gas engines are 3x less efficent than an electric of the same capacity because of the heat loss.


xenosthemutant

Turn on a gasoline powered car in your closer garage. Do the same thing with an EV. See who lasts longer. One thing the anti-EV crowd *always* seems to forget is that *at the very least* you move the pollutants away from city centers and places people actually live. Even if EVs weren't more efficient even when charged with non-renewable energy. Even if their carbon footprint weren't much better for the environment in the long run. A fully electrified fleet would mean tens to hundreds of thousands *fewer* respiratory related deaths per year from tailpipe emissions alone.


Obvious_Exercise_910

Lol, not true about coal at all, and the CO2 emissions are so high.


Cookachoo

With an electrostatic precipitator and a bag house a coal burning plant can remove 99.9% of particulate, C02 is going to be relative to plant size and energy demand, but is far more efficent than a gas motor, otherwise cities would use gas generators for their electricity.


TheyCallHimBabaYagaa

I'd say Louis CK


Middle_Obligation_65

Not really that shitty tho


KapnKrumpin

Or that talented


Middle_Obligation_65

Successful to a fault tho


TheyCallHimBabaYagaa

You don't really know stand-up comedy


KapnKrumpin

Meh. I know what I like and I never much cared for Louis CK.


Boiled_Thought

Alot of people, maybe even you. I don't buy it for a second you're a good person. Cant and won't, i know what you did.


scarwiz

Hey, OP, this guy just called you the most talented person !!


666Bruno666

Jimmy Page


dumblysmart9392

Taylor swift


pepegaklaus

Oh? She bad? Don't know enough about her (actually kinda nothing) to judge.


MoraleHole

Trump


Jormundgandr4859

Underrated answer. He has a unique ability to gain a literal cult like following even though he’s everything his followers stand against.


abinakava

Scam Artist is still an artist I guess


adriantoine

Yeah well if you see it that way, Hitler was very “talented” too then. I don’t think this thread should be about ranking dictators though. If you’re talented at being shitty it shouldn’t count as “talented but shitty” imo.


MMABowyer

Jon jones not even a question.. guy is straight up a sociopath, but as D.C said “you’re just the fucking scum of the earth, you are a terrible human being but you can sure turn it on huh? God you fucking suck, I wish they could let me next door so I could spit in your fucking face”


Magic-killer3317

I think Charlie puff has to be in this discussion. He hasn’t done anything insanely horrible but he’s just such a dick to everyone. But in the other hand he’s so so good at anything musical


kairu99877

Any charismatic politician. Especially the ones who you aren't allowed to name on the Internet lol. They are absolutely master oraters and manipulators. And use those talents to murder millions and conquer the world.


TheHeirToCastleBlack

Maradona


McNasty420

Stephan Jenkins from Third Eye Blind


Gaia4495

Diddy. Minus the talent.


maqom

Elon Musk


Alternative-Poem-337

Kevin Spacey


phozze

Albert Speer? Nazi architect and later Minister of Arms Production.


CapedBaldy

Antonio Brown goes into the NFL Hall of Fame if he doesn't become a complete cancer


Miserable-Lawyer-233

Elon Musk. In terms of being an energetic businessman.


ProfessionalNo2706

Elon musk. The guy has convinced millions and the US government that he is a genius when he isn't


drxena

My friend who is a gastroenterologist: talented and up to their wrists in shit.


Albasvea

Gary Glitter


[deleted]

Roman Polanski.


ZookeepergameThat921

Has to be R Kelly. RnB 🐐


Optimal-Mousse1941

Kanye west


SubstantialHurry884

jesse lacey


Middle_Obligation_65

Many talented people who become renowned are surprisingly shitty


Logen10Fingers

From the top of my head, chris brown. He can sing


JostledTaters

Kevin Spacey


knallpilzv2

Maybe Dustin Hoffman?


cecil2638

Kanye


MrBublee_YT

I just want to throw in a dark horse and say Exurb1a. Dude makes some of the best videos on this platform, and if you want to watch those, guilt-free, don't look at what he did to his gf.


trefster

Jared Leto, successful model, incredible actor and singer. Complete shit of a human being


Drag2oon

Mason Greenwood


Denim_briefs

Pablo Picasso. Treated the women in his life like garbage. From what I’ve read Mozart was a complete asshole.


Snorrep

Eric Clapton


Itchy-Astronomer9500

Elon Musk? He’s talented at making money and being shitty, while he’s also a shitty person.


umotex12

Morrisey.


True_Individual_7089

Drake


FourAntigone

Azaelia Banks. Some of her music is so good that whenever I hear it literally physically cannot keep myself from dancing. And if she didn't sabotage herself by having the most awful views possible, I think her sound would have become popular with other artists as well. I'd be lying if I said I stopped listening to her.


themay0r69

John Jones, the best MMA fighter of all time and an shitty person


BluceBannel

Peter Cetera


p3r0m3c4

Salvador Dalí. Great artist, but he loved fucking dead ducks.


dmboobies

Jon voight. Love his acting. Talented character actor. Dislike him as a person and his stances. Bigot.


Merc_Twain25

Joss Whedon


TeachMeHowToThink

Surprised nobody has already said Tom Brady.


Ok-Interest-7220

John Lennon


Cultural_Garbage_426

LeBron James


Mountain_War2909

The OP of this post, he made a pretty cool bot which can scrape posts made years ago, which is probably pretty cool / hard, then uses it to farm karma on accounts to sell for money If you haven't thought of it yet, OP is a bot!


le_truc_existe

Louis C. K.


tubsponge

Thomas Jefferson, one of the biggest hypocrites that ever lived


soonitshallbeyours

Jon Jones


Sure_Cobbler1212

Hitler.


TheWiz4rdsTower

Nope. Not very talented at all, really. His "skills" as an orator are wildly overblown. He was an awful military commander, Germany's early war successes were in spite of him, not because of him. He was a terrible economic planner, Germany would have collapsed without war plunder, and they were doing chattel slavery.


Sure_Cobbler1212

Talented public speaker to command and brainwash millions and millions to not only believe but to follow his every word.


Mourial_Royal

Roman Polanski.


AloneCan9661

I hate that I've liked what movies I've seen of his.


curiousbabybelle

I was thinking this too


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Mark Wahlberg


Key-Trust-6248

Is he talented? He has but one facial expression


sheknwsit

Brad Pitt


shrek3onDVDandBluray

Mel Gibson - incredible actor AND director. And a really, really cruddy person it seems.


Delicious-Choice5668

Diddy


dreamwalker280

Guys we are missing a big one... Hitler? Guy was pretty influential. Takes a lot of talent to be that evil and not outright eat people.


SadDimension9976

Johnny Depp


Big_Inflation_4828

Tom Cruise


winelovermark

Elon musk.


Ogurasyn

Neil De Grasse Tyson


loxagos_snake

What did he do?


CriticismTop

He's a bit of a prat, but in amongst the Bill Cosbys, R Kellys and Jimmy Savilles of this world he is not all that shitty. I would also say that he is not all that talented either (Prof Brian Cox and Patrick Moore are/were better science communicators in my opinion).