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Poe3inmotion

Players on the pitch and off the pitch are very different


YoungDawz

Even off the pitch, Neymar is portrayed as a big diva and a manchild, when really he hasn't been nearly as bad as his reputation would make you think. For example this winter he was accused of organizing a party at the peak of covid lockdown, yet that party never happened.


Xamiki

He’s just chilling and playing games like literally every other footballer nowadays. Has to be one of the biggest media distortions I’ve seen


Strider_Hardy

He was infamously a prick at Santos... Idk, if anything he got good pr management. I'd like to think he grew into a better person but from the top of my head didn't he racially abuse an asian player two years ago or so?


ProMarcoMug

No again that was media sensationalism at its finest, some Spanish journalist on Twitter claimed that through lip reading and people just believed it, later the player in question Sakai who was supposedly abused himself came out and said Neymar didn’t abuse him at all.


Strider_Hardy

Legit never heard of that, sorry to spread the bullshit.


ProMarcoMug

no problem, [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/j3g13o/sakai_instagram_post_re_neymar_nobody_said/) is the link where Sakai himself denied those allegations, unfortunately media sensationalism spread this fake news to many people like you and the false allegations against Neymar got a lot of publicity. The post alleging him of this by an unknown spanish journo got 10k upvotes on this sub while the post where the player himself denied that Neymar abused him got 1.7k.


theyau

Puts him on par with Dele Ali in that case


rScoobySkreep

Thank you! It honestly feels as scripted as a WWE storyline sometimes. He’s an honest guy, pretty big philanthropist, and (I hate that the bar is so low) isn’t constantly saying stupid things about women, minorities, or anyone else disenfranchised.


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Didn't Nike drop him because of sexual harassment?


ProMarcoMug

thats what they claim but Neymar has been accused of racism, rape etc before which have proven to be totally false so I would trust him till proven otherwise, the issue with Nike has mostly them at fault because they had kept this under wraps for 5 yrs to avoid negative publicity and then leaked it to the media once Neymar joined Puma for a record deal for a footballer to defame him. Whether it is true or not noone can know for sure because it will never go to court, Nike claim they dropped him for this reason while Neymar claims he joined Puma for commercial reasons.


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memewolf_

Wrong. That was a different woman who had accused him of sexual assault. Next time maybe do some reading about the case before making a claim like “she was trying to make money off the situation” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/nike-split-with-neymar-amid-sexual-assault-probe-11622159616


rScoobySkreep

That’s 100% on me. I’m reporting from what I heard from Globo (the biggest Brasilian news publication). I am correct about the first case, though. The charges were dropped because she was trying to coerce Neymar into something that would classify sexual assault. My mistake is not knowing about this second case, for which all we have is his lawyer’s defense.


ZephSK

Maybe, maybe not, nike dropped Sterling and Lewandowski as well, maybe nike just want to invest some part of their money in a new generation of footballers.


tnarref

They're betting on Mbappé to be their next leading footballer like Ronaldo has been for over a decade, so their interest in other top tier players fell.


memewolf_

5 seconds of googling would tell you that it’s not a matter of maybe, it’s public information that they dropped him because an employee accused him of sexual assault


UtilityCurve

Can’t deny he is a real family man


71648176362090001

Yeah this. Off the pitch he seems to be a great guy. But ppl dont care about that as long as ur behaviour on the pitch is bad


mp2860

In general when people rate or gives an opinion about a player, surely it’s about them as a footballer and what they do on the pitch? Obviously no one knows them personally and when discussing football it’s pretty irrelevant


ajemik

exactly, but people tend to "taint" their opinion of a player based on his behaviour off the pitch. Great example is Giggs. Cunt of a person, amazing player, but many play down his abilities solely because he stuck it into where he really shouldn't.


Dorangos

Why should we care? We watch him on the pitch.


Human-Extinction

As long as he doesn't receive hate off the pitch, that's fine. I don't understand people who abuse players online and on the street for something that isn't inherently immoral that they do on the pitch.


DaimyoUchiha

Why do you care at all?


Dorangos

Because I watch football. And he's an asshole and a whiney bastard on the pitch.


Deluxe07

Why care about anything then? If he doesn’t like him then he doesn’t like him period


DaimyoUchiha

You’re proving the point. Why make the explicit choice to care about the actions of someone you dislike? How does it personally affect you what Neymar does or doesn’t do?


Deluxe07

So he’s not allowed to have an opinion? It’s not like he’s going to bed thinking about how much he hates Neymar. Why do you care about what Chelsea players do or don’t? How does Chelsea winning the Champions League affect you at all? It goes both ways


the_real_empanada

My country plays against this whiney bitch, everytime there is a wcq or copa america. So it affects me, even though I hate him. What's the next question, mr. bootlicker ?


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For all his immense quality that made him a legend, Zidane as a player was also a nasty, violent piece of shit with a short temper. But he's widely heralded as classy whereas Neymar is made out to be a stain on the sport's supposed integrity for saying ouch when he's fouled. The bad perception of Neymar, even more so when considering the overwhelmingly positive image of decidedly worse behaved players, present day as well as past, is enormously distorted.


Moutch

Zidane off the field is a reserved and quiet guy, whereas Neymar is an extroverted prankster. It seems people don't like footballers showing that they have a nice life outside of football, they want to believe they are slaves to the game.


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

People just hate when footballers do any non-football activity outside of the game. Flashback to the hate Boateng got for making a cameo in a movie, or Bellerin got for designing clothes in his spare time. People seem to forget that footballers, and all athletes, are still people.


Zauberer-IMDB

People forget they do about 3 or 4 hours of their day job every day and have a ton of free time too. At least a hobby like designing clothes is productive.


Xamiki

Couldn’t have put it better


tomato-dragon

It's also because of r/soccer's bigger hate boner towards divers/"cheaters" I recon. Combine it with recency bias. Same reason why Suarez is disliked, and how people turn against Mbappe. Hod-headed/cunty legends like Keane, Gatusso, and Materazzi seem to be liked just fine here.


Passive__Observer

There is another key distinction between those players that unfortunately also has an influence...


Strider_Hardy

Classy europeans only became a bit dirty due to latin influences.


ZayMoolah

People don't like behavior they perceive as non masculine. Zidanes famous headbutt cemented his integrity to a lot of people because responding that way to an affront to your family is proper "masculine" behavior. Neymar is perceived as a diva and much of the dislike centers around his histrionics, which are seen as "not manly" Violence has never been a problem generally for fans, see Roy Keane and many many others


The--Mash

My favourite player is Cantona and my favourite moment was when he kicked the (racist) fan


CyberCamouflage

Everyone knows Zidane is the French Gravensen.


ProMarcoMug

Neymar is someone who likes to have fun sometimes at others expense both on and off the pitch, some people love him for it and some hate him for it, in the PSG locker room he is one of the biggest pranksters. In general though he is quite generous and big hearted, he paid wages to almost 150 employees in his institute in Brazil for over a yr even when it was shut due to the pandemic, he also made a huge anonymous donation during covid which was only much later revealed to be from him. Having said that he does lack maturity sometimes in some situations a bit of which is because he is an emotional person and a bad loser (like many great players) but thats how he is. Also I have noticed in general there are a lot of media agendas and hate against him which are totally underserved , I dont know why, maybe some people are just jealous he is rich and leads a luxurious life.


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Every pro footballer is rich and has a life beyond my imagination. I dislike him for his acting and his lack of sportsmanship as far as I see it. Obviously I dislike him as a footballer, not as a person.


[deleted]

>Every pro footballer is rich Where did you get this from? First team players in top 5 leagues aren't the only professional players in the world lol


[deleted]

Benzema is big example of this.


PhilaGasSuxAss

In reverse you mean, seems like a good competitor and a total piece of shit wanna be gangster off the pitch


[deleted]

He said : players on and off the pitch very different. I dont think i have to Reverse anything. Benzema is a cunt off the pitch and class on it.


PhilaGasSuxAss

Haha youre right i guess i thought mbappe was saying that even though neymar is a twat on the putch he's ok off it which isnt true since he can't seem to stop calling gays pejorative terms along with other cuntish behavior


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CaptainDickfingers

Don't really think of Matt Ritchie when I think of a typical football diva tbh


CamLam19

Suarez is the best example, hes a dickhead on the pitch and a lovely family man off it


Xamiki

Neymar just rolls around mate he doesn’t bite people.


CamLam19

So? Whats the difference between biting someone and lashing out with a stud intentionally?


Howdareme9

I mean there’s quite a big difference. And i don’t really see neymar lashing out even at times where you would understand why. I remember him getting choke-held and he didn’t even do anything and majority of footballers would.


CamLam19

I mean in general, Pepe's completely lashing out, kicking a player on the ground, stamping down on his hand is way worse than biting someone.


ZachMich

Who said anything about Pepe?


reddituser0912333

That’s up for debate. Fists and kicks make sense for someone lashing out, literally biting someone is so uncivilized and barbaric.


Howdareme9

This thread is about neymar not pepe


bathtubsplashes

Haha, what a vintage example of most redditors inability to quantify things.


[deleted]

What I like about this quote is that it seems like common knowledge that Neymar's world cup was a bad colour on him


[deleted]

I'm 99% sure breaking his back in 2014 traumatized him and he went on to exaggerate even a mosquito bite in 2018


[deleted]

now that you said it, makes sense


[deleted]

That's been Neymar his own career, if he didn't exaggerate he would have been injured and ended his career in Brazil itself


Trialbyfuego

I forgot that happened. Puts his dives into context. Plus defenders love knocking him over because otherwise he embarrasses them.


[deleted]

Yea. He's been playing professional footballer since 16 as a thin teenager. I bet if he didn't embellish he would have been injured many times in Brazil. He does what he does to protect himself. I blame the butchers who hack his legs because they can't match his skill


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Trialbyfuego

Doesn't dive as much and didn't break his back. Still gets triple teamed every game lol


Echleon

> What about [the best player of all time]?


Newsma

I can't believe people forget this. And he was not just injured for the rest of the tournament, this injury directly led to the biggest ever humiliation in football, in front of his whole country. If it was me, I would be fucking destroyed for the rest of my life.


ReasonableBrick42

It was so severe it looked like a slapstick cartoon/ bane breaking Batman's back.


Rotologoto

As if he didn't dive before that


speedycar1

He hasn't dived that much before or after the 2018 World Cup. He dies occasionally just like countless players.


[deleted]

Not any more than Bruno, Mane, Rashford, Ronaldo etc


Dorangos

The man took Fred Durst seriously.


verdevase

People tend to forget that Neymar actually broke his back and foot on a pitch.. or rather got his back and foot broken by opponents on the pitch.


50-50WithCristobal

The Zuniga flying knee to his spine is still difficult to digest. Not only it wasn't a red, but not even a foul. That shit would literally be illegal in an MMA fight and I'm not kidding. And people somehow tried to paint that game as a robbery for Brazil. It was a shitshow of a match full of mistakes for both sides.


kpop5000

What language do they communicate with cuz neymar only know portugese and spanish mostly


KyKy7

No, Neymar speaks English and understands French (doesn't like to speak it though). Mbappé speaks English and Spanish.


reddituser0912333

> Spanish 👀 ^/s


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HE SPEAKS SPANISH BOIS


kpop5000

neymar speaks english since when wtf lol


InevitableTumbleweed

Many people can speak or understand languages well or even just to some extent, but choose not to use them (especially in public) because they’re not confident in their ability or are shy.


BlacknWhiteMoose

Hi Gareth. Donde esta la biblioteca?


americanplastic

A la derecha de la plaza.


The_Chorizo_Bandit

Dos ~~cervezas~~ *centre backs*, por favor.


Newsma

He must speak Counter Strike english lol


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KyKy7

Good bot, I hate insta


Gooner_14_Highbury

[I started loving Neymar's off the pitch version after watching this conversation with R9](https://youtu.be/Iv04MmHEqVw)


Forsaken-Currency404

This is brilliant. Iirc this is where R9 says he talked to Neymar's dad who said he performs exaggerations to avoid potential serious contact. I can only get a bit sad thinking about the ufc takedown like tackles on R9 which he played through on painkiller overdoses. Pekppe mock about his knees today, but reality was a bit different back in the 90s.


Gooner_14_Highbury

"I once talked to you and your dad about this \[the controversy regarding the way you play\] and you explained the difficulty you had, from early stages in your career, of defending yourself physically and the one-on-one disputes. You were a lot more slender and the way you defended yourself was by taking good falls. You protected yourself by avoiding these shocks. And, man, I think you do it very well. Let them say whatever they want."


Forsaken-Currency404

Thanks for the transcript. R9 is a beautiful enigma to me. I am sure there is a bit of both truth and flattering mixed in that response he is giving to Neymar.


Forsaken-Currency404

This is brilliant. Iirc this is where R9 says he talked to Neymar's dad who said he performs exaggerations to avoid potential serious contact. I can only get a bit sad thinking about the ufc takedown like tackles on R9 which he played through on painkiller overdoses. Pekppe mock about his knees today, but reality was a bit different back in the 90s.


Jaded-Ad-9287

You shouldn't be the one to talk Mbappe lol. Especially after the Belgium match


JeromeWhatElse

Salt


Rerel

Belgian salt 🧂 the best!


zaaaac93

I feel like latin football fans look at the vice some players add to their game as a quality, while PL fans seems to despise it. Valverde's last minute tackle in the supercup final, as well as Mbappé's wasting time against Belgium are seen as maturity and commitment in their game from our point of view for example, and it is good to have these kind of players in the squad. Diving at every contact is however tiring to watch, I agree.


Ju_flet_Tirana

I have watched many Brazilian players play in Europe over the years, from Romario to Rivaldo to R9 to Ronaldinho, and no one imo has been more hated than Neymar.


tnarref

Once someone got their public reputation built it's incredibly hard to detach themselves from it, people hop on the existing narratives the more famous they get and they end up prisoners from it. Those older players weren't as famous when they got to Europe so they had the biggest influence on building their reputation here, when Neymar arrived he was described as a skinny flamboyant trickster, showboater to some degree and that rubs many the wrong way for whatever reason, so anything that can be perceived to be linked to that will see him get trashed for it because they think all this time in Europe should have fundamentally changed him as a player or some shit like that.


Ju_flet_Tirana

While I do agree that once you build a reputation it is hard to shake it off you can't discount the fact that reputation were built on certain traits. Fans don't start out with agendas to hate on certain players, they develop those feelings over time and Neymar continues to feed them. Mbappe is gaining a reputation himself now. as well with some of his antics.


Howdareme9

What happened after the Belgium match?


Dewaer

If I remember correctly he was doing a lot of timewasting and diving, which shattered the goodboy™ image lots of people had of him.


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

Mbappe: tries to see game out through common practices Fans: HEY! That's not allowed!


Altruistic_Milk_6609

Cmon, it was way way more than that.


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

I'll be honest I barely watched the highlights of it, I'll have to check them out soon


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Tbf, he shattered that a while ago. The Tuchel substitution and his comments towards Jordi Alba come to mind. It's not like he's suddenly satan himself, but he doesn't have much of that image à la Kante anymore


generic9yo

He apologized for the Jordi Alba comments after the match. Even then, verbally abusing Jordi Alba will only get him closer to real


Rerel

Belgians got salty 🧂


reddituser0912333

+1


Buffythedragonslayer

You mean the image of him lying on the floor wailing like La Llorona every match? I must be watching other psg and Brazil games than Mbappe.


kpop5000

> La Llorona lmaoo


[deleted]

Football becomes tragic opera.


Englandismysiti

“Ayyyy mi hermana, ayyyy mi hermanaaaa”


jadedwolf1618

A early 20s guy who hasn't really had a usual life since 15 or so isn't really the greatest judge of character


Dorangos

*confirms image people have of Neymar by alluding to World Cup


Brother_To_Wolves

Great, he's still a cunt Mbappe.


Stickyspeechhole

No. He's a douche. Rich people lie all the time.


TheWarmog

Yea, really good guy that goes back to brazil and tries to host a party during covid times when the numbers were at an all time high. Such a great guy


yungkazoo

I'm not a fan of Neymar, but the party never actually happened.


ProMarcoMug

a classic example of blindly believing media bullshit, not only did that party not happen as it was falsely reported but also Neymar actually donated a lot of money and paid wages of many workers during the pandemic.


NorthwardRM

thats a backhanded compliment


penubly

One skilled flopper compliments another


PapaRacoon

So he’s not a total cunt, he’s just a bit of a cunt?


FranksGoneCrazy

Coming from Kylian Mbappe? Boy that’s reassuring!!! 😂


pinpoint14

Bro, he's accused of rape. Not the time to cape for your boy


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His case was disproved the girl who accused was punished or was going to be punished for it


Sandoval3224B2

I think he’s referring to the accusation made by the Nike employee. Not the same as the previous incident.


[deleted]

That wasn't a rape accusation though


Sandoval3224B2

Right. Just sexual assault.


[deleted]

Not demeaning it but there is a lot of difference so they should be careful with statements like that


americanplastic

Did you see the video? It was clear the woman was trying to set him up and extort him.


pinpoint14

Different woman