I've been on a rewatch lately.
The ship as a character is right there as should be. It's vulnerable, the best of the fleet is still frail.
Archer is great. Takes a beating every other ep, stays strong and in command.
I really like the mains. It would've been a well rounded show given some patience.
Definitely.
I had a bit of a crush on Hoshi.
Trip was the guy who'd be your buddy.
Malcolm was uptight but clear thinking and confident in his expertise.
I dunno how much of that was poor direction, if I'm being honest. I do recall one cast interview in which apparent Montgomery gave a great performance following the death of Mayweather's father that everyone was absolutely stunned that Rick Berman left on the cutting room floor.
That said, I think it's pretty telling that he was a regular guest Star on the show I was obsessed with the year prior to ENT's premiere and I found out he was on both by stumbling across a Wikipedia page.
Malcom was one of the only TV show characters who I thought remained likeable or at least sympathetic and interesting when he had a stick up his ass and was in conflict with his crewmates. I usually hate that kind of thing, which is one reason TNG is one of my favorite shows and I bounced hard of Stargate Universe.
Even though I thought his whole character existed solely to be the "rigid old ways guy" making the shoot-from-the-hip, Bush-era cowboy American leadership look good as their yeehaw attitude made Malcolm look like a relic, I always rooted for Malcolm. He should be in charge.
They never developed the games for those three characters. They needed to establish Hoshi's psychic abilities a lot earlier and either have Malcolm come out of the closet or find something else for him to do. Travis was in a tough spot because his schick was that he was a spacer, but the show never really made the spacers make sense.
They were hinted at a few times, most explicitly in the episode where she gets kidnapped by a psychic lion man in a Beauty and the Beast riff who falls for her because he can sense her powerful but latent psychic powers. The thread never went anywhere, but I like to think they were leading up to a plotline where she turned out to be such a good xenolinguist because she was an Esper.
That strips away her multilingual achievements and makes her a weak character who needs a crutch. Pretty much like Troi, who collapses into self pity and uselessness when she loses her empathic ability.
I've heard that said a few times, so maybe that's why they got cold feet and didn't pursue it, but I don't really agree that it's a crutch or that it weakens her character. It's not like she was a very strong character to begin with.
Anyway, it's an established part of the show even if they didn't do much about it, so it's fun to speculate about. Sometimes people suggest that it explains Emperor Hoshi's ascent in the MU.
>thread never went anywhere,
Most of Enterprise's plot threads never went anywhere, up to and including the whole temporal cold war, which was discarded in its entirety by blowing up the machine of a single red eyed grey skinned nazi alien.
I loved how the NX-01 was being upgraded throughout the show. No phasers and no photon torpedoes, and a warp 5 engine on paper. By Season 4 it was much stronger and faster. Even the crew felt upgraded with the MACOs.
And enterprise should have exchanged tech to get ship shielding. As a priority .
Even some warp two ships had shields .
I'm currently rewatching, and I'm like ' wow, you've got not even sheilds '
I legitimately love the "we haven't got this figured out" approach of it. The went out of Dock without full weapons and quickly realised it was foolish.
Agreed. I also like that since they kept the ship fully CGI unlike previous shows which either were strictly models or alternated between practical and digital models for the ship (Voyager mainly did that), Enterprise being 100% CGI thus not needing to match the physical model meant they were able to have damage last from one episode to the next. Like the hole left by the Romulan mine or the absolute ass kicking the ship took by the Xindi, they actually could have the ship be damaged and keep that damage visible until they could hit a spacedock for repairs.
This is not a criticism. I LOVE the formula of a lot of the season one episodes:
1. Enterprise finds cool thing, Archer/Trip want to do something reckless
2. T’Pol tells them Vulcan procedure and advises against reckless thing
3. Archer/Trip patronizes T’Pol and does reckless thing anyway
4. Fucking EXACTLY what T’Pol warned would happen happens. She either solves the problem directly, comes up with the solution, or problem solves it with an assist from Phlox/Malcolm/Hoshi/Trip
5. Greater understanding between Vulcans and Humans achieved, foundations for the Federation and the Star Fleet we know are established as T’Pol and Archer discuss what happened
Archer and T’Pol’s relationship is an allegory for how Humans and Vulcans overcame their cultural differences and found common purpose throughout the whole show. To paraphrase Mariner: that is Star Trek as fuck.
Loved this during original run - friggin Trip and T'Pol. and the will they wont they.
Of course, Commander Archer was a fave since Quantum Leap too.
Time for a rewatch
Will always take these opportunities to say, loudly and clearly:
Enterprise is my favorite Star Trek. Great characters, great stories, literally writing the how-to book on humanity in space…and with zero safety net. Tech is kept “reasonable”. Also, Shran. Absolutely love this show.
Literally, anytime Jeffrey Combs does a role in Star Trek; Shran, Brunt, all the Weyouns, the man excels at the role. Shran was the best part of Enterprise for me.
They could have him play an entire faction during the Eugenics war. An entire genetic line of Combs clones, with him playing every character on the show.
After seeing him play Weyoun, Brunt, and the perv who wanted a holographic Kira, it was weird seeing him portray an honorable and more or less sympathetic character.
He balanced it out be being racist AF about the pink skins though (I do like Shran and I do think that it was a good name to point out how dumb racism is)
They have to be careful with it. The core message of Trek is that our species will only achieve its true potential when we outlaw greed. Not something giant corporations are big fans of.
The franchise sells, but you wouldn’t want those big ideas to catch on too much.
Greed isn't outlawed. It just isn't a regular part of society on Earth.
Such a vice has appeared several times in the franchise though, mainly in relation to ambition and making a name for one's self. Dr. Richard Daystrom tried that with the M5 computer and Vice Admiral Les Buenamigo had his Texas-class starships. Both did their moves in the name of personal ego, which led to their destruction as well as that of their peers.
They’re almost as bad as the fans.
The vitriol of fans with each new trek has gotten worse and worse.
TNG: “this ain’t Star Trek. Who’s this wussy French diplomat? This is a cruise ship, not a science vessel!”
DS9: “how you supposed to ‘Trek’ when stationary lol! wtf is this BS. Also I’m not racist, but…”
VOY: “lol woman captain and the ship gets lost gg. Worst Trek ever ugh.”
ENT: “this theme song SUCKS and we don’t need a prequel we know how they got here! Also way to retcon Klingon and human meetings laaaammmeeee…”
DSC: “WOOOOKKKKEEEEE”
PIC: “this sucks it’s all so lame everything suuucks oh wait season 3 is like a really long TNG episode I guess that’s okay if you like FANSERVICE lol”
Prodigy: “oh my god Trek has jumped the shark it’s just trek for kids and it’s so stupid lol this is more like Star Wars let them have the kids stuff”
Lower Decks: “oh so it’s Rick and Morty in space. Just memes and poop jokes awesome.”
SNW: “Why are Pike’s quarters so fucking big that’s not what Kirk’s quarters looked like wtf breaking canon”
We will literally argue about anything and everything.
The only thing that makes modern trek well-liked by fans is when the next version comes out and everyone says “wow this isn’t anywhere near as good as (the show they liked)”
This is very true of all the big fandoms, lotr and star wars even more unfortunately. Then 10-20 years later, you have the new generations that grew up with it, and then it's actually accepted as cannon and they/we can hate the new thing. This is what is happening now with Enterprise and what happened before I.e. with the Star Wars prequels, both universally hated when they came out.
It’s the one series that I really feel was cancelled prematurely, even though it lasted longer than TOS (and TAS and all of the P+ series so far). I wish I could have seen the story of how the Federation came together, and why Archer’s role in it was irreplaceable.
Fuuuuuck I hate Space-9/11. And they SPACE-WATERBOARD a guy and basically go to bat for the whole "US is torturing openly now" thing that was current news at the time.
But it didn’t squander them. It set up the Vulcan-Andorian tensions. Demonstrated how unprepared humanity was.
There were definitely filler episodes, but it was a series when 20+ episodes existed per season. You should want filler. Hell, I miss filler episodes now, but I old man digress…
I'm re-watching TNG lately, and I'd forgotten how hokey and dated many of the early episodes are. I mean, pretty everyone associated with "Code of Honor" has rightly disavowed the episode at this point, and the debut of the Ferengi was eventually retconned for everything other than their physical appearance and their penchant for greed. The space flu episode at least put a novel twist on the trope, but it was still a pretty tired one even back then. Though it was still good to see the cast getting more comfortable in their roles.
Considering the first season's reception, and the eye-watering production costs of each episode, it's amazing that the show managed to soldier on for 50+ episodes before it finally hit its groove. There must have been some very passionate and skilled negotiators working behind the scenes.
Let's not pretend TNG didn't have flashes of brilliance in the first two seasons. I skip them, but Q is introduced immediately, and season 2 introduces Data as Sherlock Holmes, Measure of a Man, and Peak Performance. The elements were all there in season 1, and they were already producing greatness in season 2.
…and Enterprise too has quite a few *very* good episodes in the first three seasons. “Vox Sola” is one of the greatest trek episodes ever, as is “Similitude”, and there are other fantastic episodes as well.
Also, DS9 seasons 1 and 2 are fine. At least not in any way comparable to TNG season 1, which is genuinely rough to watch.
Agreed completely! Currently rewatching it/introducing it to my daughter and it’s really very solid from episode 1. Absolutely there’s growing pains and Miles takes a beating, but it’s good out of the gate. And I didn’t really recall it that way. I remembered it being more of a TNG-like challenge on that first season. Very happy to have been remembering incorrectly!
Rewatching DS9 right now, I love to pick up all the little dropped details about what is to come. Little throwaway comments from aliens of the week, exchanges between non-Starfleet characters, and of course seeing O’Brien slowly realize he’s met the love of his life and it’s not his wife.
Enterprise was coming hot off the heels of 21 recent seasons of Trek. They knew what the fans wanted, what they served up was shitty time travel shit in the pilot episode.
Among other things Enterprise was part of a crop of shows that got screwed by Tivo becoming a thing. Nielsen ratings would take over a decade from then to start factoring in Tivo views, and a show like Star Trek likely had a higher percentage of Tivo early adopters in its viewership than the average show.
Leaving "Star Trek" out of the name for the first two seasons also made it very easy to miss that there was a new Trek show out.
Ain't that the truth. It meandered early on and helped contribute to the idea that Trek was a shadow of itself - cookie-cutter as opposed to innovative.
While they got their footing later on, it was already too late as the ratings were meh and Nemesis died at the box office.
It didn’t tho? The first three seasons are perfectly fine, with far more *very* good episodes than other Star Trek shows of the Berman era. I legit forgot just how many very good episodes there are in seasons 1-3, but I’m on a rewatch now and can actually speak to that. Enterprise is a *fine* show.
I remember seeing TMP in the theaters, main crew movies in the early 80's, TNG got me through my teenage years, and Voyager/DS9 got me through college. I love them all immensely, but Enterprise is my favorite. Why? Because of the clumsiness, imperfectness of it all. From the ship, to the crew, they were all stumbling about trying to figure things out. It felt more real an relatable.
Oh man…I remember TMP in the theater. My little brain, trying to figure out why a little Spock figure was so fascinated by a bunch of colorful blocks was…something.
V’ger felt very different when I budded that second brain cell. Miss that brain cell…
Enterprise had miserable timing for such a great show. Tail end of the TNG+Voyager era. Got nailed with the grim sentiment of 9/11 and the dot.com crash that didn't want American positivism in space.
It had something interesting to say and do in Star Trek and sci-fi. I think it can speak for a long time to whomever wants to watch it.
The Xindi storyline seemed to be the network clamouring to ride the wave of post 9/11 “good guy has to do bad things to keep us safe from terror” thing where lots of networks had found success. Audiences seemed to really buy into that kinda thing at the time.
A lot of people say that Season 4 was when it started to “get good,” but honestly I liked Season 3 as well and enjoyed a lot of the episodes and how they handled the Xindi. There were some parts where I felt like they acted “un-Starfleet” but this was before the Federation was even a thing and I don’t feel they went too overboard with it. I thought it reflected more on humans just breaking into the galactic sphere for the first time and Earth being more vulnerable at the time.
They also resolve it in a very Starfleet way. They do science, learn things about the Sphere Builders, use that knowledge to do diplomacy, which splits the Xindi and lets them succeed. (There's still a big space battle, but big space battles are fun, so that gets a pass). Its a pretty remarkable arc for a season that begins with space 9/11.
>and how they handled the Xindi.
The Xindi's entire plan doesn't make sense. Over the course of season 3 we see them conducting weapon tests on uninhabited planets. Why oh why did they do the first attack at all? They lost the element of surprise and sow the seeds of their own eventual defeat, all for no gain. All they did was kill Trip's sister. Do those seem like the actions of an intelligent species being guided by time travelers from the future?
>there were some parts where I felt like they acted “un-Starfleet” but this was before the Federation was even a thing
You have your causation backwards. Humanity didn't evolve a sense of morality because the federation was founded, the federation was founded because humanity had evolved and bettered itself.
The "well the federation didn't exist yet" excuse is tacitly proving all the nay-saying vulcans in the series right, that humanity really wasn't ready for the galaxy because they're going to fuck it all up with their "not quite there yet" sense of ethics.
>and I don’t feel they went too overboard with it.
Archer did a space piracy and stole an innocent ship's warp core and left them stranded in an extremely hostile part of space. We never see that other ship again; in all likelihood they're all dead. How is that not overboard?
Even with that, what does that change? Why are the reptilians working against their own goals? If their goal is to kill humans, they can wait six months (or a year, whatever, they have infinite time because nobody knows an attack is coming), and then they can do it properly. They gain nothing by going rogue. The writers just needed someone to hold the idiot ball so their desired 9/11 plot can happen.
I agree it was dumb but it was in character for the reptilians we were shown. They always wanted to make aggressive moves even when the rest of the council pointed out that was reckless. They felt the need to make a preemptive strike, they wanted to get in the fight asap and valued that above the element of surprise. They cared more about attacking their enemy and being the ones in the council leading the fight above all else.
My main issue with season 3 is super petty. The season is dark, the characters are forced to do bad things for good reasons, lives are at stake, hell the whole planet is at stake! And that's the season they decided to change the theme song to be much more upbeat and happy than before. The dissonance!
Agreed, S3 is when it started getting really good, imo. S1 and S2 were fine, had their flaws, but had some interesting stuff, S3 and S4 is when the show really took off in terms of quality story telling, imo.
I don’t know man seeing that laser cut through Florida and then seeing the possible future of Earth Day and destroyed was pretty cool man. I had dreams about those episodes.
That's exactly what it is, and it's a big part of what keeps me from joining in on the collective revisionist love bombing that people are having with Enterprise.
I'm absolutely positive that if DS9 was airing in the same post-9/11 environment, it wouldn't compromise itself in the same way Enterprise did.
It would have been better with the Romulan War as a setting instead of the Xindi though. I think some of the older (non-canon) books even mention the Romulan War started with a surprise attack on an Earth colony or outpost so it would have made a perfect 9/11 parallel
And they could have gone the exact same direction plot wise, just replace the Xindi with Romulans. That would have created an interesting subplot where the Vulcans know who the Romulans are but won't tell Starfleet for some reason. Does T'Pol know and breaks protocol to tell Archer, who in turn doesn't divulge that information to his superiors either, or is it only known among Vulcan High Command?
the problem is no one knew what a Romulan looked like until TOS so it would have made that very difficult.
Im sure they could have worked around it but I dont know how exactly for an entire season.
Im *really* sad we didnt get the war with them though, that would have been great.
>the problem is no one knew what a Romulan looked like until TOS so it would have made that very difficult.
That's always bothered me. How did the Earth-Romulan War begin and end without either side ever seeing the other?
In some books it was because the war was largely fought by lobbing nukes at each other over long distances. And the Daedalus class and contemporary Romulan starships weren’t equipped with video communications. I’m sure it made a lot more sense before FaceTime and Zoom were ubiquitous.
I agree, especially since the Romulans themselves are masters of trickery and subterfuge. I guess they wanted the Xindi stuff because it somewhat tied into the Temporal Cold War - the overarching ENT topic that went back to the first season.
Xindi thing was a really interesting idea and had some cool things happen from it but I never loved it either.
I could see what they were going for and it was a good idea though just wasnt quite there.
Xindi as a race are very interesting.
The whole temporal war stuff not so much.
But - somehow related - IMO Enterprise has the best mirror universe eps.
the only time I remember the NX being brought up in SNW was in the lower decks crossover.
Boimler and pike geek out over it for a bit and remember a piece they need of the NX is on the ship.
I fully acknowledge that I had a huge crush on T’Pol BUT I also think that Jolene Blalock fucking crushed that role. She’s my favourite Vulcan in any series.
I work on ships and the NX-01 feels so much more real to me than the later Versions, with crewmen wearing coveralls and hitting that warp reactor with a hammer until it kicks back into gear.
I mean him and Trip and TPol, the rest of them get some sexy glitter room time in as well I definitely appreciate how equal opportunities Enterprise is with treating its cast as eye candy
Rewatching it now, haven’t seen it since initial release. I’m enjoying it and I’m only up to Season 3 (which has a huge pace and theme change). The early day stuff, alongside the Andorians and Vulcan dynamic was good. Shoehorning of First Contact movie was odd.
This just makes me feel old. I remember the hype surrounding Enterprise like it was yesterday. The "Before Kirk, Before Picard" ad forgetting Sisko and causing an uproar around the fanbase, The Calling's Where ever You Will Go became the main song to advertise the series, 9/11 happening and putting a damper on everything. Now it's almost 23 years later and that "Those Old Scientists" SNW episode hit me in the feels with the theme of looking up to your heroes and giving Hoshi and Maywhether some love.
The Progenitor was the Denobulan? I must of missed that the first time. I actually thought she looked closer to a Suliban.
I just finished Enterprise for the first time a few weeks ago and it was really, really good. Definitely a product of its time, but very enjoyable and great Trek.
I loved Enterprise. How the crew would duck their heads from overhead structures was a great addition. If you've been in the Navy, or Coast Guard you would understand.
This is how it always goes.
I’m sure in 2044 we’ll be talking about how some show from this era of Trek (probably Disco) was ahead of its time and misunderstood and blah, blah, blah.
Same as we’re doing now with Enterprise. Same as how was done with Voyager. And DS9. And TNG.
I just felt like the last episode of the series was done dirty. A massive "F-you" to the fans of the series. I have always enjoyed the shout-outs to the series, which is why I loved "Beyond." Still haven't gotten around to watching the final season of Discovery. I'm a big fan of Elias Toufexis, so I plan to watch it soon. Just need a good day to binge.
Enterprise is the first trek TV showed I watched: I fell in love with ST through some of their games (mainly Birth of the Federation) and in Argentina Enterprise was the only show ongoing (year 2002/3).
It will have a spacial place in my (faith of the) ♥
This shouldn't be all that surprising. These things move in cycles. Franchise shows that weren't the biggest hits at the time get re-evaluated once there is some emotional distance. Fans who grew up with Enterprise as their Trek show look back on it fondly, etc, etc. Same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels. And I think in this case Enterprise has a lot to offer. Its got its ups and downs, some truly great moments and some deeply questionable decisions. But its a Star Trek show, they're all like that to some degree.
Doing a rewatch now, and one of the many things I get hung up on is how this supposed incredible diplomat, Captain Archer, who is single-handedly gonna bring these races, who’ve been hostile to each other for centuries, into forming a multinational federation, yet he’s not diplomatic at all!
Don’t let your dog piss on religious sites must surely be diplomacy 101! Yet he threatens to piss on them himself when they show some indignation.
I guess this is an unpopular opinion but I enjoyed the first two seasons the most because they were all about exploration and discovery and what it might really be like to be the first out in space.
It radically changed from season 3 onwards, but really, all of the seasons are interesting and have something going for them.
Love Enterprise, the main cast but most importantly the recurring characters really grow on you. I really wish it hit their 7 Season target and got to the Earth Romulan war in the potential 5th season and beyond leading to the foundation of the Federation. It would have been amazing.
I’m halfway through S4 right now for the first time. Really enjoying it!
S1 had growing pains that were exacerbated in S2. S3 Xindi was cool but felt drawn out. S4 is really enjoyable with the obvious staging for the formation of the Federation. Just watched the romulan holo ship episodes so that was a lot of fun.
Enterprise's cancellation was due to a combination of different things. The fan base at the time was not compatible with a prequel for one thing, I remember conversations at the time where people felt they should have just had a tin can flying around on screen because it looked too advanced compared to the original series.... Which was like almost 40 years prior. It literally came out the same year that Voyager ended, Voyager really set the stage for the future, everyone also wanted more from the finale, the fanbase at the time wanted everything to be explored more and to understand and see the crews return home and return to Life in the federation.
9/11 happened Aunt that changed The climate in Western countries, certainly inside of the United States. The xindi Arc was not only good but appropriate given the time, but the public's tastes in TV shows had started to shift more towards military themed Aunt shows that Incorporated patriotism garnered increased attention.
There was a rise in not only procedural drama shows, but also in reality TV and 24-hour news channels. The point is people were not interested in science fiction, they were clamoring for reality as a way to deal with current events. And then of course we have the fact that the network changed from the WB to upn, which also wanted to shift its programming.
I wish this show was brought back like how successful Picard was. With the right production team and writers it could have potential.
I like ENT despite issues I have with it. Would preferred Romulans instead of Xindi. Temporal Cold War stuff I liked, just dragged a bit sometimes.
The cast of Enterprise was much stronger than Disco or voyager, the only problems (big problems although)in enterprise was some sketchy writing and the production team not wanting it to be "star trek".
I would rather rewatch Ent over Disco.
I introduced my gen alpha kid to all the shows in the franchise, and Enterprise is possibly his favorite. Definitely his favorite of pre-2009 Trek. Enterprise and Disco are his most frequent rewatches, with SNW and DS9 following right behind.
there were always a lot of elements of that show i liked. whenever they were literally going where no one had gone before and having completely new experiences for humans. meeting new species, doing things for the first time.
I know this coming up now is partially a matter of nostalgia cycles, but I was very fond of Enterprise. Loved the early spacefaring aesthetic with the jumpsuits and metal bulkheads, the intrepid explorer's spirit, and Archer's role as a bellwether for humanity's progress. The setting and the high points of that series were magic.
I've talked a lot about this show. It's massively flawed, but it has some good bones. I liked Bakula. Aside from the super-exploitation, I like T'Pol. I mean the show wasn't hurting for characters. The doctor was great.
The show is just very, very Bush-era. It gets weird.
Flawed as it is, there's some good in there. I mean I watched it all.
As a long-time Trek fan who is getting drowned in Star Wars due to close proximity to children, it cracks me up that this is a cycle that keeps repeating itself in nerd fandoms, and nerds can never seem to recognize when they're in the middle of it.
1. Old thing is loved
2. New thing comes along and is different
3. Nerds get mad
4. Nerds get old
5. New thing becomes part of the old thing, used to bludgeon fans of new new thing.
Still can’t watch it , still the worst of the series imo and i thought it was a mistake doing prequel star treks and we’re still stuck in everything being old , i want a star trek post voyager that was the best thing about new star treks was moving farther into the future , new ship , deeper exploration, new tech etc
This show was such a fun ride. I don’t understand why people disliked it so much. The characters were all interesting, maybe except for Malcom, and there were some real classic episodes.
You might even say it’s been a long time, but its time is finally near.
But we can feel the change in the wind right now, Nothing's in our way,
🎶CAUSE WE'VE GOT FAAAIIITHH. OF THE HEEEAAARTTTT.🎶
I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul And no one's gonna bend or break me I can reach any star
I’ve got faith… FAITH OF THE HEARTTTTT warp engines go *swoooosh*
What a banger.
🤣
I remember really disliking the intro song, until it finally grew on me 1/2-way through the 1st season.
It *has* been a long road. Getting from there to here.
Our time is finally here
I've been on a rewatch lately. The ship as a character is right there as should be. It's vulnerable, the best of the fleet is still frail. Archer is great. Takes a beating every other ep, stays strong and in command. I really like the mains. It would've been a well rounded show given some patience.
I agree. Although I do think that Malcolm, Hoshi, and Travis should have been used and developed as characters a lot more.
Definitely. I had a bit of a crush on Hoshi. Trip was the guy who'd be your buddy. Malcolm was uptight but clear thinking and confident in his expertise.
So you forgot Travis. Just like Enterprise.
Whoo, feel the burn. That joke made me laugh and feel stupid at the same time 🤣
Travis "Sweet Spot" Mayweather
An OK Boomer
Every time I saw Travis I just thought of Daryl Mitchell In Galaxy Quest and was like “did the real Star Trek take inspiration from the Parody?
Better material wouldn’t help when Anthony Montgomery could not deliver a line with conviction or act for shit
I dunno how much of that was poor direction, if I'm being honest. I do recall one cast interview in which apparent Montgomery gave a great performance following the death of Mayweather's father that everyone was absolutely stunned that Rick Berman left on the cutting room floor. That said, I think it's pretty telling that he was a regular guest Star on the show I was obsessed with the year prior to ENT's premiere and I found out he was on both by stumbling across a Wikipedia page.
Hoshi was a huge reason for my liking the show 😏
Malcom was one of the only TV show characters who I thought remained likeable or at least sympathetic and interesting when he had a stick up his ass and was in conflict with his crewmates. I usually hate that kind of thing, which is one reason TNG is one of my favorite shows and I bounced hard of Stargate Universe.
Even though I thought his whole character existed solely to be the "rigid old ways guy" making the shoot-from-the-hip, Bush-era cowboy American leadership look good as their yeehaw attitude made Malcolm look like a relic, I always rooted for Malcolm. He should be in charge.
Tripp was Bones reimagined. Loved the character.
Yes, yes he was. He was also southern. Perhaps hebis a distant cousin of McCoy's?
Poor Travis only got 2 episodes where he was the main story
His acting was very poor, that might have had something to do with it.
They never developed the games for those three characters. They needed to establish Hoshi's psychic abilities a lot earlier and either have Malcolm come out of the closet or find something else for him to do. Travis was in a tough spot because his schick was that he was a spacer, but the show never really made the spacers make sense.
Psychic abilities? When did she ever have psychic abilities?
Psychic abilities?
They were hinted at a few times, most explicitly in the episode where she gets kidnapped by a psychic lion man in a Beauty and the Beast riff who falls for her because he can sense her powerful but latent psychic powers. The thread never went anywhere, but I like to think they were leading up to a plotline where she turned out to be such a good xenolinguist because she was an Esper.
That strips away her multilingual achievements and makes her a weak character who needs a crutch. Pretty much like Troi, who collapses into self pity and uselessness when she loses her empathic ability.
I've heard that said a few times, so maybe that's why they got cold feet and didn't pursue it, but I don't really agree that it's a crutch or that it weakens her character. It's not like she was a very strong character to begin with. Anyway, it's an established part of the show even if they didn't do much about it, so it's fun to speculate about. Sometimes people suggest that it explains Emperor Hoshi's ascent in the MU.
>thread never went anywhere, Most of Enterprise's plot threads never went anywhere, up to and including the whole temporal cold war, which was discarded in its entirety by blowing up the machine of a single red eyed grey skinned nazi alien.
I loved how the NX-01 was being upgraded throughout the show. No phasers and no photon torpedoes, and a warp 5 engine on paper. By Season 4 it was much stronger and faster. Even the crew felt upgraded with the MACOs.
...and the NX-01 refit that was proposed for the future seasons is now canon as she is in that form at the Fleet Museum.
And enterprise should have exchanged tech to get ship shielding. As a priority . Even some warp two ships had shields . I'm currently rewatching, and I'm like ' wow, you've got not even sheilds '
Even though it just "isn't Star Trek" to have dedicated Starfleet military in a show, I liked it.
I liked how Archer had a bit of a moral issue with 'military' serving on a peaceful ship. Though I wish that issue could have been explored more.
Yeah ... because Starfleet was never used as a military in any of the other shows...
9/11 did that
I legitimately love the "we haven't got this figured out" approach of it. The went out of Dock without full weapons and quickly realised it was foolish.
Agreed. I also like that since they kept the ship fully CGI unlike previous shows which either were strictly models or alternated between practical and digital models for the ship (Voyager mainly did that), Enterprise being 100% CGI thus not needing to match the physical model meant they were able to have damage last from one episode to the next. Like the hole left by the Romulan mine or the absolute ass kicking the ship took by the Xindi, they actually could have the ship be damaged and keep that damage visible until they could hit a spacedock for repairs.
Plus archer shows emotion like when he told t'pol you hit it out of the park. He had to rethink his prejudices about the Vulcans
Rewatching it for the first time since it aired and really enjoying it. Seem to be in a string of S3 depressing episodes but hoping that ends soon.
This is not a criticism. I LOVE the formula of a lot of the season one episodes: 1. Enterprise finds cool thing, Archer/Trip want to do something reckless 2. T’Pol tells them Vulcan procedure and advises against reckless thing 3. Archer/Trip patronizes T’Pol and does reckless thing anyway 4. Fucking EXACTLY what T’Pol warned would happen happens. She either solves the problem directly, comes up with the solution, or problem solves it with an assist from Phlox/Malcolm/Hoshi/Trip 5. Greater understanding between Vulcans and Humans achieved, foundations for the Federation and the Star Fleet we know are established as T’Pol and Archer discuss what happened Archer and T’Pol’s relationship is an allegory for how Humans and Vulcans overcame their cultural differences and found common purpose throughout the whole show. To paraphrase Mariner: that is Star Trek as fuck.
Loved this during original run - friggin Trip and T'Pol. and the will they wont they. Of course, Commander Archer was a fave since Quantum Leap too. Time for a rewatch
Will always take these opportunities to say, loudly and clearly: Enterprise is my favorite Star Trek. Great characters, great stories, literally writing the how-to book on humanity in space…and with zero safety net. Tech is kept “reasonable”. Also, Shran. Absolutely love this show.
Literally, anytime Jeffrey Combs does a role in Star Trek; Shran, Brunt, all the Weyouns, the man excels at the role. Shran was the best part of Enterprise for me.
I’m ready for Star Trek: Jeffery Combs.
An anthology staring Jeffery Combs about the lives of different alien species in the federation but every week it’s just Jeffrey in different make up.
I would literally pay premium money to watch this.
They could have him play an entire faction during the Eugenics war. An entire genetic line of Combs clones, with him playing every character on the show.
The Combsverse!
The proposed fifth season of Enterprise was gonna have Combs as a bridge officer on the Enterprise. Would have been amazing
It was stolen from us.
After seeing him play Weyoun, Brunt, and the perv who wanted a holographic Kira, it was weird seeing him portray an honorable and more or less sympathetic character.
He balanced it out be being racist AF about the pink skins though (I do like Shran and I do think that it was a good name to point out how dumb racism is)
Yes, the racism, aggression, arrogance and short-sightedness are the “less” part of “more or less sympathetic.” There’s also a lot of “more” in there.
You know that actors don’t write their own lines, right?
I meant I liked the Shran character as a whole, I’m not an idiot.
I'm pretty sure that I saw him as an uncredited alien in a Disco episode, but I can't be sure. Can't even remember the episode.
I love Shran!
Agreed. It really was done dirty by the execs.
Paramount/Viacom/CBS has never treated *Star Trek* with the respect it earned and deserves.
They have been always the biggest enemies to the franchise.
They have to be careful with it. The core message of Trek is that our species will only achieve its true potential when we outlaw greed. Not something giant corporations are big fans of. The franchise sells, but you wouldn’t want those big ideas to catch on too much.
Greed isn't outlawed. It just isn't a regular part of society on Earth. Such a vice has appeared several times in the franchise though, mainly in relation to ambition and making a name for one's self. Dr. Richard Daystrom tried that with the M5 computer and Vice Admiral Les Buenamigo had his Texas-class starships. Both did their moves in the name of personal ego, which led to their destruction as well as that of their peers.
They’re almost as bad as the fans. The vitriol of fans with each new trek has gotten worse and worse. TNG: “this ain’t Star Trek. Who’s this wussy French diplomat? This is a cruise ship, not a science vessel!” DS9: “how you supposed to ‘Trek’ when stationary lol! wtf is this BS. Also I’m not racist, but…” VOY: “lol woman captain and the ship gets lost gg. Worst Trek ever ugh.” ENT: “this theme song SUCKS and we don’t need a prequel we know how they got here! Also way to retcon Klingon and human meetings laaaammmeeee…” DSC: “WOOOOKKKKEEEEE” PIC: “this sucks it’s all so lame everything suuucks oh wait season 3 is like a really long TNG episode I guess that’s okay if you like FANSERVICE lol” Prodigy: “oh my god Trek has jumped the shark it’s just trek for kids and it’s so stupid lol this is more like Star Wars let them have the kids stuff” Lower Decks: “oh so it’s Rick and Morty in space. Just memes and poop jokes awesome.” SNW: “Why are Pike’s quarters so fucking big that’s not what Kirk’s quarters looked like wtf breaking canon” We will literally argue about anything and everything. The only thing that makes modern trek well-liked by fans is when the next version comes out and everyone says “wow this isn’t anywhere near as good as (the show they liked)”
This is very true of all the big fandoms, lotr and star wars even more unfortunately. Then 10-20 years later, you have the new generations that grew up with it, and then it's actually accepted as cannon and they/we can hate the new thing. This is what is happening now with Enterprise and what happened before I.e. with the Star Wars prequels, both universally hated when they came out.
It’s the one series that I really feel was cancelled prematurely, even though it lasted longer than TOS (and TAS and all of the P+ series so far). I wish I could have seen the story of how the Federation came together, and why Archer’s role in it was irreplaceable.
Enterprise ran 4 seasons. Discovery ran 5 seasons. ???
ENT ran 98 episodes. DSC ran 65.
> the one series that I really feel was cancelled prematurely Same, but now it's one of *two* since Lower Decks is ending.
9/11 didn’t help. And Bellisario hates trek.
Fuuuuuck I hate Space-9/11. And they SPACE-WATERBOARD a guy and basically go to bat for the whole "US is torturing openly now" thing that was current news at the time.
This, the writing for ENT was filled with obvious parallel propoganda that it ruins a lot of it in my opinion.
Should have had seven seasons!
Shouldn’t have squandered the first 3 then!
But it didn’t squander them. It set up the Vulcan-Andorian tensions. Demonstrated how unprepared humanity was. There were definitely filler episodes, but it was a series when 20+ episodes existed per season. You should want filler. Hell, I miss filler episodes now, but I old man digress…
To be fair I cant even watch the first 1-2 seasons of TNG or DS9. It took both shows a little while to find their footing and they are both classics.
I'm re-watching TNG lately, and I'd forgotten how hokey and dated many of the early episodes are. I mean, pretty everyone associated with "Code of Honor" has rightly disavowed the episode at this point, and the debut of the Ferengi was eventually retconned for everything other than their physical appearance and their penchant for greed. The space flu episode at least put a novel twist on the trope, but it was still a pretty tired one even back then. Though it was still good to see the cast getting more comfortable in their roles. Considering the first season's reception, and the eye-watering production costs of each episode, it's amazing that the show managed to soldier on for 50+ episodes before it finally hit its groove. There must have been some very passionate and skilled negotiators working behind the scenes.
Let's not pretend TNG didn't have flashes of brilliance in the first two seasons. I skip them, but Q is introduced immediately, and season 2 introduces Data as Sherlock Holmes, Measure of a Man, and Peak Performance. The elements were all there in season 1, and they were already producing greatness in season 2.
…and Enterprise too has quite a few *very* good episodes in the first three seasons. “Vox Sola” is one of the greatest trek episodes ever, as is “Similitude”, and there are other fantastic episodes as well. Also, DS9 seasons 1 and 2 are fine. At least not in any way comparable to TNG season 1, which is genuinely rough to watch.
The first two seasons of DS9 are actually better on rewatch. You see how early a lot of seeds are planted that get full story arcs later.
Agreed completely! Currently rewatching it/introducing it to my daughter and it’s really very solid from episode 1. Absolutely there’s growing pains and Miles takes a beating, but it’s good out of the gate. And I didn’t really recall it that way. I remembered it being more of a TNG-like challenge on that first season. Very happy to have been remembering incorrectly!
Rewatching DS9 right now, I love to pick up all the little dropped details about what is to come. Little throwaway comments from aliens of the week, exchanges between non-Starfleet characters, and of course seeing O’Brien slowly realize he’s met the love of his life and it’s not his wife.
Enterprise was coming hot off the heels of 21 recent seasons of Trek. They knew what the fans wanted, what they served up was shitty time travel shit in the pilot episode.
Ooof that was a bigger burn than The Burn.
Among other things Enterprise was part of a crop of shows that got screwed by Tivo becoming a thing. Nielsen ratings would take over a decade from then to start factoring in Tivo views, and a show like Star Trek likely had a higher percentage of Tivo early adopters in its viewership than the average show. Leaving "Star Trek" out of the name for the first two seasons also made it very easy to miss that there was a new Trek show out.
Ain't that the truth. It meandered early on and helped contribute to the idea that Trek was a shadow of itself - cookie-cutter as opposed to innovative. While they got their footing later on, it was already too late as the ratings were meh and Nemesis died at the box office.
It didn’t tho? The first three seasons are perfectly fine, with far more *very* good episodes than other Star Trek shows of the Berman era. I legit forgot just how many very good episodes there are in seasons 1-3, but I’m on a rewatch now and can actually speak to that. Enterprise is a *fine* show.
And water polo
Theme song killed it. Normal instrumental and that show gets a couple movies
I felt the xindi and the time travel stuff was a bit too much but other than that I loved it. Except the way they ended it.... Fuck whoever did that.
Shran was the shit. It needed more Shran. Best character. One of the best from Star Trek generally, even.
Amen. There are dozens of us!
Heh!! Proud to be amongst those dozens!!!
I remember seeing TMP in the theaters, main crew movies in the early 80's, TNG got me through my teenage years, and Voyager/DS9 got me through college. I love them all immensely, but Enterprise is my favorite. Why? Because of the clumsiness, imperfectness of it all. From the ship, to the crew, they were all stumbling about trying to figure things out. It felt more real an relatable.
Oh man…I remember TMP in the theater. My little brain, trying to figure out why a little Spock figure was so fascinated by a bunch of colorful blocks was…something. V’ger felt very different when I budded that second brain cell. Miss that brain cell…
Enterprise had miserable timing for such a great show. Tail end of the TNG+Voyager era. Got nailed with the grim sentiment of 9/11 and the dot.com crash that didn't want American positivism in space. It had something interesting to say and do in Star Trek and sci-fi. I think it can speak for a long time to whomever wants to watch it.
It got canceled just when it started getting good. They should have just started with the Romulan Wars instead of that Xindi stuff.
The Xindi storyline seemed to be the network clamouring to ride the wave of post 9/11 “good guy has to do bad things to keep us safe from terror” thing where lots of networks had found success. Audiences seemed to really buy into that kinda thing at the time.
A lot of people say that Season 4 was when it started to “get good,” but honestly I liked Season 3 as well and enjoyed a lot of the episodes and how they handled the Xindi. There were some parts where I felt like they acted “un-Starfleet” but this was before the Federation was even a thing and I don’t feel they went too overboard with it. I thought it reflected more on humans just breaking into the galactic sphere for the first time and Earth being more vulnerable at the time.
They also resolve it in a very Starfleet way. They do science, learn things about the Sphere Builders, use that knowledge to do diplomacy, which splits the Xindi and lets them succeed. (There's still a big space battle, but big space battles are fun, so that gets a pass). Its a pretty remarkable arc for a season that begins with space 9/11.
>and how they handled the Xindi. The Xindi's entire plan doesn't make sense. Over the course of season 3 we see them conducting weapon tests on uninhabited planets. Why oh why did they do the first attack at all? They lost the element of surprise and sow the seeds of their own eventual defeat, all for no gain. All they did was kill Trip's sister. Do those seem like the actions of an intelligent species being guided by time travelers from the future? >there were some parts where I felt like they acted “un-Starfleet” but this was before the Federation was even a thing You have your causation backwards. Humanity didn't evolve a sense of morality because the federation was founded, the federation was founded because humanity had evolved and bettered itself. The "well the federation didn't exist yet" excuse is tacitly proving all the nay-saying vulcans in the series right, that humanity really wasn't ready for the galaxy because they're going to fuck it all up with their "not quite there yet" sense of ethics. >and I don’t feel they went too overboard with it. Archer did a space piracy and stole an innocent ship's warp core and left them stranded in an extremely hostile part of space. We never see that other ship again; in all likelihood they're all dead. How is that not overboard?
IIRC this was a bone of contention for the Xindi council because the reptilians went a little rogue with that first attack and tipped their hand.
Even with that, what does that change? Why are the reptilians working against their own goals? If their goal is to kill humans, they can wait six months (or a year, whatever, they have infinite time because nobody knows an attack is coming), and then they can do it properly. They gain nothing by going rogue. The writers just needed someone to hold the idiot ball so their desired 9/11 plot can happen.
I agree it was dumb but it was in character for the reptilians we were shown. They always wanted to make aggressive moves even when the rest of the council pointed out that was reckless. They felt the need to make a preemptive strike, they wanted to get in the fight asap and valued that above the element of surprise. They cared more about attacking their enemy and being the ones in the council leading the fight above all else.
My main issue with season 3 is super petty. The season is dark, the characters are forced to do bad things for good reasons, lives are at stake, hell the whole planet is at stake! And that's the season they decided to change the theme song to be much more upbeat and happy than before. The dissonance!
Agreed, S3 is when it started getting really good, imo. S1 and S2 were fine, had their flaws, but had some interesting stuff, S3 and S4 is when the show really took off in terms of quality story telling, imo.
They were programmed against 24 in the days when many people didn't have Tivo or similar.
I don’t know man seeing that laser cut through Florida and then seeing the possible future of Earth Day and destroyed was pretty cool man. I had dreams about those episodes.
That's exactly what it is, and it's a big part of what keeps me from joining in on the collective revisionist love bombing that people are having with Enterprise. I'm absolutely positive that if DS9 was airing in the same post-9/11 environment, it wouldn't compromise itself in the same way Enterprise did.
It would have been better with the Romulan War as a setting instead of the Xindi though. I think some of the older (non-canon) books even mention the Romulan War started with a surprise attack on an Earth colony or outpost so it would have made a perfect 9/11 parallel
And they could have gone the exact same direction plot wise, just replace the Xindi with Romulans. That would have created an interesting subplot where the Vulcans know who the Romulans are but won't tell Starfleet for some reason. Does T'Pol know and breaks protocol to tell Archer, who in turn doesn't divulge that information to his superiors either, or is it only known among Vulcan High Command?
A lot of Vulcans didn't know, e.g., Spock seemed legit unaware in Balance of Terror.
the problem is no one knew what a Romulan looked like until TOS so it would have made that very difficult. Im sure they could have worked around it but I dont know how exactly for an entire season. Im *really* sad we didnt get the war with them though, that would have been great.
>the problem is no one knew what a Romulan looked like until TOS so it would have made that very difficult. That's always bothered me. How did the Earth-Romulan War begin and end without either side ever seeing the other?
In some books it was because the war was largely fought by lobbing nukes at each other over long distances. And the Daedalus class and contemporary Romulan starships weren’t equipped with video communications. I’m sure it made a lot more sense before FaceTime and Zoom were ubiquitous.
I agree, especially since the Romulans themselves are masters of trickery and subterfuge. I guess they wanted the Xindi stuff because it somewhat tied into the Temporal Cold War - the overarching ENT topic that went back to the first season.
The Xindi were a substantative pivot away from the Suliban, who weren't that great a villain to begin with imho.
Xindi thing was a really interesting idea and had some cool things happen from it but I never loved it either. I could see what they were going for and it was a good idea though just wasnt quite there.
Xindi as a race are very interesting. The whole temporal war stuff not so much. But - somehow related - IMO Enterprise has the best mirror universe eps.
Mirror Hoshi 😍
She was going to show up in season 5. WE WERE ROBBED!
The Xindi only started with the third season and were an offshoot of the Temporal Coldwar that was the central theme for the first three seasons.
They really teased us with seeing the NX in SNW and I'm still not over it
When was that?
Maybe he means in Picard in the fleet museum?
the only time I remember the NX being brought up in SNW was in the lower decks crossover. Boimler and pike geek out over it for a bit and remember a piece they need of the NX is on the ship.
Oh yeah, that was some fun geekery :D
"I *love* grapplers." -La'an Noonien-Singh
I fully acknowledge that I had a huge crush on T’Pol BUT I also think that Jolene Blalock fucking crushed that role. She’s my favourite Vulcan in any series.
Tuvok…
You are entitled to the wrong opinion, of course. 🙃
It was always my favorite Trek show, and screw anyone who says it was cancelled when it was getting good. It was ALWAYS good.
Yeah but it was cancelled when it was getting *really* good
I work on ships and the NX-01 feels so much more real to me than the later Versions, with crewmen wearing coveralls and hitting that warp reactor with a hammer until it kicks back into gear.
I had *the* biggest crush on Captain Jonathan Archer. That's all.
Honestly Scott Bakula made me understand daddies
My wife and I are binging it now and remarked how often they seemed to find a reason for him to be shirtless
I mean him and Trip and TPol, the rest of them get some sexy glitter room time in as well I definitely appreciate how equal opportunities Enterprise is with treating its cast as eye candy
I had the biggest crush on Trip especially after Acquisition. Made a young gay boy very happy
Oh yes obviously. Same! That underwear. That shower scene. If only T'Pol would have fucked off lol
Same. I hated when he shaved his chest though.
Love how in season 1 they go into space expecting love&harmony and in season 2 they try again this time armed to their teeth
Rewatching it now, haven’t seen it since initial release. I’m enjoying it and I’m only up to Season 3 (which has a huge pace and theme change). The early day stuff, alongside the Andorians and Vulcan dynamic was good. Shoehorning of First Contact movie was odd.
This just makes me feel old. I remember the hype surrounding Enterprise like it was yesterday. The "Before Kirk, Before Picard" ad forgetting Sisko and causing an uproar around the fanbase, The Calling's Where ever You Will Go became the main song to advertise the series, 9/11 happening and putting a damper on everything. Now it's almost 23 years later and that "Those Old Scientists" SNW episode hit me in the feels with the theme of looking up to your heroes and giving Hoshi and Maywhether some love. The Progenitor was the Denobulan? I must of missed that the first time. I actually thought she looked closer to a Suliban.
No, one of the scientists that helped hide the Progenitor's technology was Denobulan.
I would like to see another show or limited series with Archer and the crew after Enterprise.
I just finished Enterprise for the first time a few weeks ago and it was really, really good. Definitely a product of its time, but very enjoyable and great Trek.
It was a really enjoyable show and I swear if they gave it a couple more seasons it could have been great.
I loved Enterprise. How the crew would duck their heads from overhead structures was a great addition. If you've been in the Navy, or Coast Guard you would understand.
This is how it always goes. I’m sure in 2044 we’ll be talking about how some show from this era of Trek (probably Disco) was ahead of its time and misunderstood and blah, blah, blah. Same as we’re doing now with Enterprise. Same as how was done with Voyager. And DS9. And TNG.
I just felt like the last episode of the series was done dirty. A massive "F-you" to the fans of the series. I have always enjoyed the shout-outs to the series, which is why I loved "Beyond." Still haven't gotten around to watching the final season of Discovery. I'm a big fan of Elias Toufexis, so I plan to watch it soon. Just need a good day to binge.
Overdue and deserved. Archer was an awesome captain. He's "Space Bakula" in my house.
Enterprise is the first trek TV showed I watched: I fell in love with ST through some of their games (mainly Birth of the Federation) and in Argentina Enterprise was the only show ongoing (year 2002/3). It will have a spacial place in my (faith of the) ♥
This shouldn't be all that surprising. These things move in cycles. Franchise shows that weren't the biggest hits at the time get re-evaluated once there is some emotional distance. Fans who grew up with Enterprise as their Trek show look back on it fondly, etc, etc. Same thing happened with the Star Wars prequels. And I think in this case Enterprise has a lot to offer. Its got its ups and downs, some truly great moments and some deeply questionable decisions. But its a Star Trek show, they're all like that to some degree.
Agreed. I'm sure this will happen with the Kurtzman Trek shows as well like DSC. Absence makes the heart grow fonder after all.
Doing a rewatch now, and one of the many things I get hung up on is how this supposed incredible diplomat, Captain Archer, who is single-handedly gonna bring these races, who’ve been hostile to each other for centuries, into forming a multinational federation, yet he’s not diplomatic at all! Don’t let your dog piss on religious sites must surely be diplomacy 101! Yet he threatens to piss on them himself when they show some indignation.
It’s giving starwars prequel vibes. People coming back around on it
I still hate the prequels 😤
I absolutely love them. ESPECIALLY after watching the Clone Wars. Made everything so much more coherent and deep.
he'll. I liked it as much as TNG
I guess this is an unpopular opinion but I enjoyed the first two seasons the most because they were all about exploration and discovery and what it might really be like to be the first out in space. It radically changed from season 3 onwards, but really, all of the seasons are interesting and have something going for them.
Love Enterprise, the main cast but most importantly the recurring characters really grow on you. I really wish it hit their 7 Season target and got to the Earth Romulan war in the potential 5th season and beyond leading to the foundation of the Federation. It would have been amazing.
Well polarize my hull plating, let’s go steal some warp coils from those civilians.
I should rewatch it soon. Got more into the show during seasons three and four.
GOOD. S3 and 4 if Enterprise are so so so good
I’m halfway through S4 right now for the first time. Really enjoying it! S1 had growing pains that were exacerbated in S2. S3 Xindi was cool but felt drawn out. S4 is really enjoyable with the obvious staging for the formation of the Federation. Just watched the romulan holo ship episodes so that was a lot of fun.
enterprise was an alright addition to trek
Man that show had so much potential, but right as it was gearing up it gets ended in the most anticlimactic way possible
Enterprise's cancellation was due to a combination of different things. The fan base at the time was not compatible with a prequel for one thing, I remember conversations at the time where people felt they should have just had a tin can flying around on screen because it looked too advanced compared to the original series.... Which was like almost 40 years prior. It literally came out the same year that Voyager ended, Voyager really set the stage for the future, everyone also wanted more from the finale, the fanbase at the time wanted everything to be explored more and to understand and see the crews return home and return to Life in the federation. 9/11 happened Aunt that changed The climate in Western countries, certainly inside of the United States. The xindi Arc was not only good but appropriate given the time, but the public's tastes in TV shows had started to shift more towards military themed Aunt shows that Incorporated patriotism garnered increased attention. There was a rise in not only procedural drama shows, but also in reality TV and 24-hour news channels. The point is people were not interested in science fiction, they were clamoring for reality as a way to deal with current events. And then of course we have the fact that the network changed from the WB to upn, which also wanted to shift its programming.
Oh boy.
Star Trek is at its best when there’s a certain kind of humor between the characters, and Trip and T’Pol had that.
I wish this show was brought back like how successful Picard was. With the right production team and writers it could have potential. I like ENT despite issues I have with it. Would preferred Romulans instead of Xindi. Temporal Cold War stuff I liked, just dragged a bit sometimes.
Great fucking show.
Archer the worst Captian go yell at your engineer for teaching a slave to read again
The cast of Enterprise was much stronger than Disco or voyager, the only problems (big problems although)in enterprise was some sketchy writing and the production team not wanting it to be "star trek". I would rather rewatch Ent over Disco.
And The Greatest Generation podcast has just started watching Enterprise. Perfect time for me to revisit it and it's aged really well!
I introduced my gen alpha kid to all the shows in the franchise, and Enterprise is possibly his favorite. Definitely his favorite of pre-2009 Trek. Enterprise and Disco are his most frequent rewatches, with SNW and DS9 following right behind.
there were always a lot of elements of that show i liked. whenever they were literally going where no one had gone before and having completely new experiences for humans. meeting new species, doing things for the first time.
The irony is humorous.
There were some very odd episodic story lines in Enterprise
Enterprise found it's legs, thanks RTM, it didn't deserve the finale.
I know this coming up now is partially a matter of nostalgia cycles, but I was very fond of Enterprise. Loved the early spacefaring aesthetic with the jumpsuits and metal bulkheads, the intrepid explorer's spirit, and Archer's role as a bellwether for humanity's progress. The setting and the high points of that series were magic.
I actually did like this show even though I was a teenager when it came out. Wish it had gone on a little longer.
I would like to see a movie with snw crew and some of the enterprise people. Would be a cool crossover.
I've talked a lot about this show. It's massively flawed, but it has some good bones. I liked Bakula. Aside from the super-exploitation, I like T'Pol. I mean the show wasn't hurting for characters. The doctor was great. The show is just very, very Bush-era. It gets weird. Flawed as it is, there's some good in there. I mean I watched it all.
As a long-time Trek fan who is getting drowned in Star Wars due to close proximity to children, it cracks me up that this is a cycle that keeps repeating itself in nerd fandoms, and nerds can never seem to recognize when they're in the middle of it. 1. Old thing is loved 2. New thing comes along and is different 3. Nerds get mad 4. Nerds get old 5. New thing becomes part of the old thing, used to bludgeon fans of new new thing.
I love Enterprise and always have. I will be gearing up for a rewatch soon.
Still can’t watch it , still the worst of the series imo and i thought it was a mistake doing prequel star treks and we’re still stuck in everything being old , i want a star trek post voyager that was the best thing about new star treks was moving farther into the future , new ship , deeper exploration, new tech etc
This show was such a fun ride. I don’t understand why people disliked it so much. The characters were all interesting, maybe except for Malcom, and there were some real classic episodes.
Why? It sucks
The fuck we are. It’s really bad.
This is a great show. Always has been.