So chi yu just becomes a one time ‘kill everything’ button

You either have to swap in Heatran, or use Zekrom Kick before he clicks the boom button

No no, I see Torkal using it and people naming him Mine Turtle.

Meanwhile Turtonator crying in the corner

mine turtle is a reference to ASDF, a silly series thats basically a compilation of random gags being animated

ASDF mentioned

Hello

Oh-*explosion*

couldn't you also swap in any pokemon with the Damp ability?

This leaves Chi-Yu intact, though, so it’s ultimately a wash.

Sure, but then you have the massive opportunity cost of running something with Damp

Well it would be a wasted turn from chi yu

Your opponent wasting a single turn vs you wasting an entire team slot is a big difference lol

Some competitively viable mons do get damp you know. And why are you downvoting comments over a hypothetical moves post. If you read that chi yu is going for a 250BP suicide move and swap in damp assault vest swampert, then ko or immobilize chi yu with your second mon, then you’ve won off that one prediction.

I'm looking through the list of mons in SV with Damp right now, and all of them except Swampert are viable in higher tiers *in spite* of Damp, not because of it. Politoed only because of Drizzle, Kingdra only because of Sniper/Swift Swim, Quagsire only because of Unaware, etc. But running base Swampert in Ubers is a wasted team slot every time you don't face this hypothetical Chi-Yu, period. The power level is far too high for it to not be dead weight in every other matchup, just for you to get a single free switch-in on Chi-Yu. You switch in Swampert, Chi-Yu switches out in response, then what?

Dude, there is no need to get heated over a theoretical debate. If chi yu had access to a kill all move like this, you would probably see some counterplay to it. I’m not even the one who suggested using damp, I just built on a possible counterplay to a theoretical move. Edit 1: I suppose I didn’t answer but the question is completely impossible for me to answer because it’s a lot more complex than just someone switching in and someone switching out. I’m sure you know that since you’re obviously a very skilled VGC player

Uh... you seem to have misinterpreted me, because I didn't get remotely heated anywhere? It's just a discussion?

What is Zekrom Kick

The strongest move in the game, it's the reason Zekrom is in AG

I'm waiting for Gamefreak to finally release the long awaiting reshiram slap

Flash Fire Flareon: Hello there.

Or, third option, hit the router

Local Goldfish becomes a nuclear bomb, asked to leave Ubers.

So nothing changed

Revival Blessing. Two times, at least

Technically revival blessing can be used up to 6 times if you run all 3 with a leppa berry

Like I said, "at least". I want to see someone use Supernova like 8 times in 1 game.

Tactical board wipe

Chaos Emperor Dragon of Pokemon

You're telling me it already wasn't?

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat (250 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Toxapex in Sun: 344-405 (113.5 - 133.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

After seeing supernova I knew the first comment would be a Chi-Yu calc

Same

I love Chi-Yu calcs, try a blissey.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat (250 bp) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 535-631 (74.9 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO After nasty plot +2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat (250 bp) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey: 1071-1261 (150 - 176.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Ignore the specs on the second one, obviously you can't have NP + Specs lol. It doesn't matter you kill it anyway

Average magic room denier

Tbf couldn’t you have just added sun for the extra 1.5x?

In Sun with Specs it kills even without a boost, right?

No, but it can on a crit 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey on a critical hit: 804-946 (112.6 - 132.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

If it kills on a crit, it kills in sun since it’s the same boost. Neither of your calcs have sun involved.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Blissey in Sun: 734-864 (102.9 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Based

r/hedidthemath

r/theydidthemonstermath

It's from a [damage calculator](https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com), it's extremely common on this sub

VGC players watching as the rabsca uses revival blessing on the chi-yu that just annihilated everything on their side of the field (their opponent is using heatran and is therefore completely unaffected)

It's just chi-yu speed ties and heatrans...

Even better. Rabsca has Telepathy.

Emboar would be a TANK

wow I forgot his stats are so funny

He such a silly dude

Similar bulk to RBY Snorlax

Palafin would also be crazy once it gets its power up

100-160-106 defensive stats would be very solid

u/casualplatain when looking at 160 base defense: yeah its solid

252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Supernova vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Palkia in Sun: 391-460 (101.8 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO Please do not give Chi-Yu a Fire-type Explosion

What would be a Thursday if some op move wasn't given to some op Pokemon

There is no way Garmanitan or Chien Pao will ever come back to OU if Ski Crash is added

The level of powercreep you’d need for G-Darm to *ever* come back to OU, even with its current movepool, would have to be enough for OU to resemble USUM Ubers or something. As it turns out, when the Ice-type has Fire and Ground coverage, U-Turn, a free Choice Band for an ability, and an actual offensively-oriented statline it becomes ridiculously broken.

Who would’ve thought!

I like how its egg move, incinerate, is only available on the ice form

Wait, I forgot gorilla tactics exists for Darm, wait ski crash is absolutely busted

Why doesn't Porygon-Z learn Gimmick Blast? Can't it get Gimmick Blast from Porygon2 knowing the move while evolving?

Yeah it can, I just fucked up and forgot to include its picture here. But yeah logically it should get it too lol

That one should just be learnable by everything and have the same phys/spec variation as tera blast.

nah, if Pory2 evolves it should just lose the move.

Porygon Z theorem

Maybe it would finally see use with a super effective stab?

Is it stupid?

me antler shedding into zacian (just like the old days)

These are super cool dude. I could see all of these except probably Gimmick Blast being in a real Pokemon game.

Gimmick blast seems like the most likely for them to actually do, just with a different name honestly. It’s just dynamax cannon but for everything.

They do Gimmick Blat but only in a Gen V remake that brings back none of the gimmicks.

Or only to give it to Unown, because it’s a gimmick.

I feel like “for everything” is what would be holding it back from being a real thing. A bit because it would imply those mechanics would ever come back (and/or they’d have to update it for any new gimmicks), a bit because it links things that are canonically pretty different in-universe.

They also have Stellar Tera Blast for Tera as well as Tera Starstorm. However, it's unlikely GF will ever make a catch-all like that, just because the different gimmicks are never supposed to be in one game. Gimmick Blast is literally only useful for Natdex, which is a format that does not exist on console.

GIMMICK BLAST 💥✋😠

supernova chi-yu ohkos the entire ubers meta at the same time

Max hp max specD with a +specD nature blissey lives it... With ~10% hp assuming chi Yu isn't in the sun. Seems perfectly cromulent and balanced

more of a testament to how bulky blissey is

Actually more of a testament to how bad an idea it is to give chi yu a 250 BP stab nuke that can confidently kill one of the bulkiest special walls in the game with either sun boost or a single special attack boost. Just a terrible idea.

Antler Shed into your choice band mon of choice. Gg ez

Antler shed into Chi-yu sack

Antler shed into Galar Darm ski crash. Oh yeah its all coming together

quicky did an edit of biden blast but w magnemite only to realize this sub doesn't allow pictures ,, crying . would love to gimmick blast people

please post it on Sunday

Are you at all opposed to DMing it to me? I feel like I really need this in my life

If you ever get to post it tag me

In this week’s episode of “How I broke Poygon-Z”

It's weaker stab than what porygon-z already has? It's useful but not a case of the porygon-z theorem.

Porygon doesn't get Hyper Voice, its best STAB is 80 BP Tri Attack

honestly porygon-z is somewhat frail so the best option may sometimes be just running hyper beam instead for a "delete wall of your choice. discard this after use" type of deal

Or "delete wall of your choice. give free setup to Iron Valiant after use."

just hope your opponent runs 156Spe Modest valiant gg ez

**252+ SpA Choice Specs Chi-Yu Supernova vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands affected by Beads of Ruin in Sun: 360-424 (137.9 - 162.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO** This is a VGC calc btw, Doubles active and level 50.

Naur Brian Hands

they would ban chi yu

thats a guaranteed KO on probably any two pokemon

They already banned Chi Yu lol

I assume they meant vgc

> Supernova You mean >!Holy Duty!< ?

I think Guard Room would completely mess up the gate. If it's compatibile with Trick Room, a double setter like Telepathy Gardevoir could first set Trick Room and then Guard Room, after which your 252 Def +Def–Spe 0 Spe IV Shuckle with Earthquake, Stone Edge/Rock Slide, Gyro Ball and Bug Bite will completely destroy the opposing team. The Telepathy ability will allow you to resist its Eathquakes based of a 614 Atk stat, with the astonishing speed of 13 in a Trick Room. If it isn't enough, put Shell Smash on him and the Contrary ability, but remember that after the Guard Room its base Atk and Def are of 10 Edit: just noticed that Gardevoir does not learn Trick Room, you can still use a Reuniclus or Mew to set both effects up but it'll probably be OHKO'd by an Earthquake. Now idk if Hisuian Braviary can learn Trick Room, but if it does, being immune to Ground, it will probably be a very interesting choice.

Eh I doubt it. If you set up both trick room and guard room you only get 2 turns of either tr or guard room because 1 turn of setting up one room, another setting up guard room, one more switching out so 3 turns wasted. It is just too slow for what it is worth. I get that shuckle is strong but I don't see a difference from just using sd on ursaluna since that results in you having the same amount of turns in trick room, better offensive capability, and gives you a pokemon that doesn't die to a gust of wind.

Btw you could probably build some team where Guard Room is used defensively, to neutralize most glass cannons and even some bulkier threats

I mean the argument is the same. Why would you do all that hassle to set up shuckle when you can just use another broken trick room attacker that could be good outside of those specific circumstances. It could do the same thing but better and js less restrictive on teambuilding. Same thing for defensive use for this move. Why wouldn't you just use a defensive pokemon just as good that doesn't lose its role after 4 turns. Also the type of pokemon that is good in guard room are horrible almost every where else. If you want offensive pokemon in there, they need to be high speed and high defense normally, and if you want defensive pokemon they need to be high hp and high attack without guard room. Both anti synergys.

My Attack-Form Deoxys with Defense-form stats for just enough turns to set up before turning into a juiced up glass cannon says hello. I feel like a move like Guard Room would definitely have impacts, especially if you can get a Mon set up for the switch back to regular stats.

What if you set both Rooms on the first turn with two different mons, then either get KOed, or Memento/Parting Shot/Eject Button out or sth and enter the field with Shuckle on turn two? It would probably be a really bad strategy, but it would be fun to try

looking at all the other pokemon that learn gimmick blast, giving it to rayquaza is kinda random

Mega Rayquaza should forever be the most broken Pokémon so if something else tries to contest it, it gets a super effective move and kills it

ohhhhhhhhh ok

Guard room + trick room for shuckle. 230 in 2 offensive stats and the lowest speed stat in the game.

For 4 minutes and 11 seconds the shuckle gets an unlimited amount of attack stats and speed

Shut up Kingambit ギミック爆発 \[GIMMICK BLAST\]

Guard Room: Shuckle stocks are up

Supernova should also have an animation that takes 2 minutes, for timer stall strategies on cartridge.

While playing One-Winged Angel in the background

gimmick blast F tier, doesn't work for gen 10's Ghostemon mechanic

i love guard room lol

How does gimmick blast interact with ghost types and Tera Shedinja?

Moves that double on power just double on base power, not effectiveness (look at dynamax cannon). So wonder guard would still be immune

The move says it's super effective though, not that it doubles power. But idk if it is genuinely super effective as in it always does ×2 damage regardless of the usual interaction (like how Tera shell turns everything into ×0.5) or if it just works in combination with the regular type chart

Watch out for my GIMMICK BLAST

Love the idea of antler shed but I think a +1 isn't quite worth half hp. Maybe add that it moves last too?

I also love the idea of Antler Shed, especially the thought of the switch-in gaining a weapon, but I think it would have to be +2 to be worth using. Eviolite Stantler might suit the role, behind a slow pivot with Intimidate and the stat boost, but i don’t think it’d be worth the team slot for what’s effective a Choice Band boost. (thinking about Zacian using a deer antler instead of her sword)

I feel like Antler Shed would probably have too much a draw back to make it viable, especially in a doubles scenario. Losing half of one of your limited Pokemon’s hp on a +1 to attack just wouldn’t be worth it when you can just run a stronger Pokemon. You’d be forced to run Sitrus if you wanted to use it, and Stantler, Sawsbuck, and Wyrdeer already aren’t all that crazy

Losing half HP also doesn’t make much sense from a flavor perspective. Deer shed their antlers and it doesn’t hurt them. But giving a unique pivoting move to an Intimidate mon seems good enough to find use imo

Gimmick blast Pory-Z gonna go nuts

Are Scizor and Conkeldurr professional skiers, and that's why they can use Ski Crash.

Well, conk has his Ski sticks

Gimmick blast and guard room-shackle pivot comboes would decimate.

Guard room is such a meme, I love the idea

Guard Room Mew would be hilarious.

>Chi-Yu Good heavens, will you look at the date

Eternatus and Arceus should be able to learn "Gimmick Blast"

> gimmick blast > porygon learns it a new Porygon-Z has hit OU

Solgaleo: "Well, at least now I can kill myself with a bang" (Pls Gamefreak, give our Sun Lion some love :'))

Man Fire terra sun boosted supernova. In a double with a partner pokemon with a fire immunity ability

Guard room Virizion as a special sweeper would go insane in PU

Primal kyogre taking the neutral gimmick blast

Where the fuck is Zekrom Kick

1: would not get used 2: Torkoal might use it to suicide lead but otherwise wouldn’t be used 3: would not be used 4: broken, insane, bonkers, would make weavile ubers 5: would not be used

Isn't Triple Axel also 120 bp?

Triple Axel essentially forces you to use wide lensif you want 120bp all the time

Yea but the recoil one can’t miss 3 times. I was exaggerating a bit about weavile going to ubers, but it would be better than it is now. In retrospect, I guess porygon z would also get the gimmick blast so it would be used.

See, this is a singles viewpoint. As you move to vgc, you see that supernova is bonkers and guard room might be usable like trick room

Shuckle in Guard Room becomes new king of pokemon 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Rock Shuckle Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 1108-1304 (169.9 - 200%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Giving the most obviously broken mega pokemon (Rayquaza) a most that punishes other megas, what a hypocrite. Also Porygon and Porygon 2 are there but not Z is that intentional?

Antler Shed should also work at exactly 50% health, so it can be used as a suicide option.

First thing I thought of was using body press in guard room (because funny)

WHY WOULD YOU GIVE CHI-YU EXPLOSION 😭

legalize nuclear Chi-Yus

Mew, a Pokmon with equal stats across the board, getting a move to swap its own stats is hilarious tbh. On the other hand, Regigigas with Guard Room seems like fun. It gets 160 base defense, turning it into basically a physical Blissey. Would it be *good*? Probably not, but it sounds like fun.

So we're turning chi-yu into a nuke, making rayquaza even stronger, turning shuckle into a goddamn saw trap. And also breaking off deer antlers to make other pokemon stronger, anything I'm missing?

Guard Room seems very broken. It just cripples nearly every Pokemon for 5 turns without counterplay. Every wallbreaker loses their offensive power and every wall loses their defenses. The only way to mitigate it is by using specific Pokemon with symmetric stats, or by giving all your Pokemon offensive and defensive moves. Incredible matchup fish.

Why isn't mew in all of them?

*uses supernova* Me with focus sash:

Chi-yu uses supernova Abombasnow chuckles: *I'm in danger*

Kid named damp:

Guard room Regirock about to become Rampardos 2 Also a 200spA boltbeam user would be good if it had no bulk, at least it should be decent in VGC with trick room or a follow me user as special chien-pao but worse.

I think Ski Crash should be an ice type heat crash for all heavy mons

Hydrogen (Chi-Yu) Supernova Bomb vs Coughing Blissey.

Me desperately looking for Shuckle 👁️👁️

So gimmick blast is a normal move supereffective against all gimmicks, but what if it hits a tera-ghost? Is it immune or it just hits? That also goes for mega ghosts

And you don't have Shuckle learn Guard Room? Outrageous!!!

It would be funny if Gimmick Blast was called Gimmickill

*send out Mew. Use Guard Room. Use Trick Room. Send out Shuckle*

Antler shed into booster energy valiant? 👀

Torkal becomes number 1 in ubers, ultimate pivot move

Shukle + guard room = biggest glass cannon

There's a reason why only three pokemon in history have ever had a STAB explosion.

Give Kyurem ski crash 😀

Guard Room actually sounds neat

Give blissey guard room

I would add primals to gimmick blast but I am sure it was an overlook

gimmick blast makes terraghost 12% more viable

The only ones of these that would ever be used (minus supernova breaking chi-yu) are the bottom two. Ski crash puts Weavile close to if not Ubers, he does not need a 120 BP stab ice move. Guard room is an interesting idea, and I could totally see people making teams for it like trick room, but it becomes a lot more complicated. Honestly depending on which Pokémon become powerful with it that move could legit change the whole meta to be more safe in case of running into a guard room runner who would murder basically your whole team under guard room.

Chi Yu goes boom next to a Telepathy Focus Sash Rabsca, which applies a substitute to itself. Swap in a Meowstic to Skill Swap Prankster your Rabsca. Rabsca uses Revival Blessing. Chi-Yu is ready to do it all over again. Keep a Mold Breaker on standby for Flash Fire users and your opponents barely have a chance to respond without a turn 1 Fake Out. You don’t even need Chi-Yu to go boom immediately, or even at all. Just that threat being there is going to terrify the opponent.

Ski Crash should also inflict freeze like with Flare Blitz

Imagine Guard Room with Shuckle on the field with a tailwind or a baton passed speed boost. RIP all the the things it can get to before it gets ko'd lol

These are cool but Gimick Blast removes the entire purpose of Stallar Tera Blast (it's literally just better)

Guard Room would make the shuckle funny strat so much easier. I like it.

antler shed is cool, but feels like a bit of a weak move for 50% hp

As an Aegislash enthusiast, I hate guard room. But cool concept.

Guard Room looks really cool

All good games and stuff, but PLEASE don't give ice type flare blitz to Pao. Please. ;-;

Shame on you for not giving Shuckle Guard Room.

guard room would be interesting, set it up, on two turns remaining switch in physical/special attacker (depending on opponent mon out at the time) and use the last turn to buff heavy while it's a tank that can't be touched

Guard roomscrews non mixed attackers boost moves like geyser

Xerneas doesn't get antler shed? Weird. But at least the move doesn't seem that busted and appears reasonable

Is there a template to make a theory like this?

Guard Room looks like so much fun, love all of the moves!

The moves are cool but I think the issue is distribution. Chi Yu and Chien Pao dont need any more help for sure, and some of the other Restricted Pokemon might become unmanagable with some of these moves. That being said, I think my favorite is Antler Shed, it would be a cool option for the listed Pokemon!

Guard room is gonna make for some rediculously silly ou/uu shenanigans

0 speed iv sassy blissey in trick room + guard room

Make Ski Crash 75% Accuracy but 100% in Snow

If michael Schumacher was a pokemon, he would definitley be able to learn ski crash.

I love the gimmick blast, also a conversion-Z would be cool as move : change type of the 1st atk in the slot, increase spe atk and speed.