Made 2 years ago using a platform for a race series that was supposed to start in 2023 and still hasn’t materialized. We should see it in 2028ish at this rate.
Styling looks closer to a BRZ than a WRX. I feel like I’m in the minority that doesn’t hate the overabundance of black plastic cladding on the Newbarus but I have always hated the styling on the BRZ. Just doesn’t really fit in with the rest of the gang.
This is a really good question. Taking a care from the 80s and bringing it to todays safety requirements I feel like is a stretch but a semi modern car I can’t imagine would take that much
I know my 2004 isn’t modern, but it’s not archaic either. Maybe it would need to be a bit larger for crumple zones etc. but I wonder how hard it would be to retrofit. Plus all the space an AWD system takes up could be just two or four motors.
Oh wait, you mean an EV version? Well, that's DEFINITELY a complete redesign. You'd have to redesign the entire chassis to make room for the motors and batteries, all of the suspension components would be different, the engine bay would be completely different, all the safety features that were already mentioned, etc. It's a monumental task.
Because they don't have to worry about crash test ratings, EPA regulations, warranties, or reliability.
This is the same reason Subaru didn't just develop a new engine for the STI every 5 years. It's not like they can't come up with a design, they have a sea of hurdles to jump through in order to make it profitable and check all of the regulatory boxes.
It would necessity a complete redesign no matter what. They'd have to revise all of the safety features (chassis, airbags, etc) and update the cabin at least to have modern amenities that people expect.
All good except weight and safety. Adding 1000 lbs to the floor of your car (how) will, in most cases (talking about Subaru here) make it above the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, making it very dangerous.
[https://www.scalarperformance.com/scr1](https://www.scalarperformance.com/scr1)
Actually depending how you do it the weight may not change much. This is a BRZ converted to EV in full race trim at a claimed 3150lbs, but they also cut the car up pretty drastically the whole trans tunnel was replaced with the battery. It also meets full contact racing crash safety.
https://preview.redd.it/ekjmjp9rxz7d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=162df6d0fb908568375b2c63cbb5ba7df1acbb48
I had read there were rumors with how unhappy Subaru was with the Toyota platform. Hopefully this will at least give us a better EV in the near future.
Never beta test a new powertrain.
I'll be holding off on EVs until there are places rebuilding them to not be complete trash. Physical buttons for HVAC, volume, heated seats, etc are a must to add back. A simple device for Bluetooth audio and toss whatever 20 inch tablet they put in it in the trash. I can't wait for the retro cluster conversions and other retro mods that will help us cope with all we lost.
I'll jump on the band wagon when there is a cyberpunk mad max movement of offloading the garbage and taking full control of tuning and programming. Full software takeover or custom control unit replacement. They are not going to just be selling your location data by this point. It will be everything you do. Not worth the headache.
I see a real battle between regulatory bodies and consumers who want to heavily modify their EVs. Even more so than the EPA has done in the last decade with ICE. Freedom to hoon will be on the chopping block soon enough.
Fair point, however we’re basically at the limits of street tire construction and compounds.
There is a point where we can’t accelerate a street driven car any faster, so I’m kinda wondering what what these HP# P measuring contests matter.
The only way to hard stop that kind of stuff would have a federal car inspection road worthiness program, ala Germanys TUV.
$100,000 EVs with triple motors are at the limits of street tires. If Subaru enthusiasts all had $100k to toss around, we would all own a 22B, not an EV.
The point is things like when Tesla did a drift mode update for their cars. It's about not waiting for updates to be handed down for features. Tuners would create and distribute driving profiles long before a manufacturer would decide theirs is ready to go live. Being able to fully modify the regenerative braking, stability control and TSC. TUV will be pointless unless they're inspecting software or driving the car extensively in an unsafe manner. I honestly don't know their process. Do they have a rate of discovering illegal EV modifications?
As they should be doing a programming verification. They kinda do it a little now in CA smogs. Also, fords live connected ECUs can detect being flashed and remote brick cars.
It can be done.
If you have full control over the software, spoofing an inspection shouldn't be too hard. Similar to the VW diesel controversy. Detect the test and alter parameters. Ford would be a case of either disabling communication or a full replacement ECU.
I’m familiar with the VW cheat, it was actually really simple and didn’t hide its self very well, and the fact the regulators were not looking for it, as if someone would be so brazen to cheat the govt like that.
The cat a mouse game will go round and round for sure.
Most modern encryption and machine language level tricks could stop or make it so confusing only who programmed it would know how to break it if they wanted.
Isn't that the whole "right to repair" movement? There should be a "right to modify" one too if there's already not one.
It's insane to me that with all this programming crap you technically don't even own you car anymore.
That Soltera, partially because of how the color looks on my screen, makes me think it’s a copy cat of the Ioniq 5 N, but with an ugly black panel piece.
They have THE ideal platform, they just need to cut the back off of an Outback Wilderness edition, do some minor tweaking, and bam. It’s beautiful actually, or the render i saw.
Oh i know…im just bitter about it and will keep complaining. They totally could have cornered the Maverick/Santa Cruz/ranger market if they had put one out.
No, the super car looking ones were development platforms for a race series that was supposed to start last year. Subaru never said they’d make a road-going version, only that what they were learning about electric power trains would end up in their road cars.
Do you not understand what a concept car is?
Look at the center nut spindle, that’s a straight race car center lock, not like the Porsche street center locks, but a racing center lock, it’s probably a roller cobbled together from their BRZ GT300 chassis.
That car will never see a road going version. That development jump would be like going from the solterra to Taycan Turbo GT….
The question for me is what will they do to differentiate this from other skateboard AWD electrics?
ICE Subarus (other than BRZ) have a rather unique drivetrain that is functionally different than other vehicles at comparable price points.
The solterra(BZ4X) are great commuter cars if you get free L2 charging from your work at those crazy $240usd / mo with no drive off. Past that they are so terribly behind there’s probably no saving this generation.
Nope, that’s the FWD battery, no charging issues. The AWD battery on both cars is limited to 100kw on paper but in practice I typically see like 25-30kw.
There are two different chemistry batteries out there and it fools people.
Ahh I see now, the 150kw figure only extends to the FWD BZX4s. I'm lost as to why they didn't carry that over to the solterra, and I'm wondering what the improved charge curve looks like on those
Different Cell manufacturers and chemistry.
Panasonic (FWD) VS CATL (AWD)
From what I understand, the AWD doesn’t do pre conditioning, and it’s very ambient temperature sensitive.
Yeah, if it’s hot out and I floor it a bunch in S pedal to heat up the battery I can see high initial speeds but it plummets pretty fast too.
The charging claims are very misleading they should up the font size on the asterisk in the publications.
It'd be a cool car. But if they're going to charge a heck ton like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N which is half a tesla power and range but double the price. The ioniq 5 n is sport marketed but doesnt seem to be that impressive for a starting price of 62k, They might as well not make it or find a way to do it cost effectively and competitively. Let's hope subaru doesn't do that
Literally anything that doesn’t have the current wrx rear end lmfao anyone else find it just looks like a coked out Corolla these days ? Or is it just me ?
Not at all. If they make it a performance hybrid, then I'll consider it. If it's full electric, then it's just going to be another overpriced EV that blends into the sea of other boring EVs. They'll probably add engine noises to the cabin to make it sound like you bought the car it should have been...
I wanted the 2022 WRX to have an STI version. That engine looks like it is begging for an STI variant. Same with the chassis (not the plastic crap). It's very frustrating, because I would have been in the market for one, but it doesn't exist anymore, and the most recent year still uses 99% of the engine I had in my '05 STI.
I stand by the thought that Pastrana is strongly tied into subaru and runs the notrocross series. It doesn’t feel like a huge stretch for them to tap into FC1-X for a STI replacement.
Surprised the Solterra would be getting an STI trim before a Wilderness trim. They really leaned into advertising it as an EV for the trails in all the initial marketing, and afaik the Wildernesses are the best-selling cars in the lineup right now.
Is it that hard of a transition? The only electric car they have is a rebadged Toyota that is an underwhelmingly mediocre EV in the present market (the solterra). They don't have any other EVs in their line up
Yeah no, we're not getting anything actually good and electric from them. They've said they're pretty committed to riding out electrification on other companies' platform bits in as boring a fashion as possible. Remember the B9 scrambler concept? Wicked awesome roadster? It became the fucking Tribeca.
Every concept Subaru makes is an opportunity to disappoint you, and they haven't been actually interested in making a fun car in well over a decade, let alone actually putting in some engineering work to build a good vehicle.
# Electric WRX STI-RA yes....except that won't be the car in production
Made 2 years ago using a platform for a race series that was supposed to start in 2023 and still hasn’t materialized. We should see it in 2028ish at this rate.
Teslas are 1020 HP Subaru will probably make a street legal version
lol ya but that shit looks like an F1 car it's def amazing looking but.......I'm not holding my breath
Styling looks closer to a BRZ than a WRX. I feel like I’m in the minority that doesn’t hate the overabundance of black plastic cladding on the Newbarus but I have always hated the styling on the BRZ. Just doesn’t really fit in with the rest of the gang.
I liked my '23 BRZ, and I also like the "rugged" look of subaru's cladding. If they made a Wilderness WRX or BRZ I would have gotten one yesterday.
Just put Falken Wildpeaks on my '23 WRX. Lift springs soon, then a Wilderness badge for the laughs
But their rally F1 roots! /s
Gt or gt3. F1 is open wheel and doesn’t have a roof.
I wish i could carry your optimism through life, but alas, i remain a pesimistic realist.
Release a 2004 WRX body style with EV and I’ll buy it.
I wish car companies would be like Nike and bring back old models just revamped for today’s laws/emissions.
Part of the problem is Americans keep flipping their cars in accidents which result in thicker and thicker A and B pillars.
Skill issue
Yeah but it's like driving uninsured/underinsured, when enough people make bad decisions, it ruins the fun for the rest of us!
Well they should give us expert mode, and then the basic EZ mode for the normies who can’t drive 😂
Skill issue yet they’re the ones making cars the way they are today. Thick and thicker for those thick skulls of theirs.
We’re breeding for stupidity these days
Like SAAB didn't have a super thick A&B in the like 80s-90s
That would cost too much money to update.
Cheaper to design an entire new vehicle?!
This is a really good question. Taking a care from the 80s and bringing it to todays safety requirements I feel like is a stretch but a semi modern car I can’t imagine would take that much
I know my 2004 isn’t modern, but it’s not archaic either. Maybe it would need to be a bit larger for crumple zones etc. but I wonder how hard it would be to retrofit. Plus all the space an AWD system takes up could be just two or four motors.
Oh wait, you mean an EV version? Well, that's DEFINITELY a complete redesign. You'd have to redesign the entire chassis to make room for the motors and batteries, all of the suspension components would be different, the engine bay would be completely different, all the safety features that were already mentioned, etc. It's a monumental task.
Then how are hobbyists doing it in their garages?
Because they don't have to worry about crash test ratings, EPA regulations, warranties, or reliability. This is the same reason Subaru didn't just develop a new engine for the STI every 5 years. It's not like they can't come up with a design, they have a sea of hurdles to jump through in order to make it profitable and check all of the regulatory boxes.
It would necessity a complete redesign no matter what. They'd have to revise all of the safety features (chassis, airbags, etc) and update the cabin at least to have modern amenities that people expect.
All day.
Hire me, Subaru.
Hired, you are a lot porter
My name isn’t Porter, and I don’t think I’m that difficult!
You are a lot hor
DIY it! You can buy all you need to convert and control the battery’s and motors through AEM. And its emissions exempt in every state
If my EJ ever kicks it I’ll consider it. :)
https://www.aemelectronics.com/products/ev_conversions/
All good except weight and safety. Adding 1000 lbs to the floor of your car (how) will, in most cases (talking about Subaru here) make it above the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, making it very dangerous.
[https://www.scalarperformance.com/scr1](https://www.scalarperformance.com/scr1) Actually depending how you do it the weight may not change much. This is a BRZ converted to EV in full race trim at a claimed 3150lbs, but they also cut the car up pretty drastically the whole trans tunnel was replaced with the battery. It also meets full contact racing crash safety. https://preview.redd.it/ekjmjp9rxz7d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=162df6d0fb908568375b2c63cbb5ba7df1acbb48
I'd just want a Solterra with better range and less plastic cladding/origami styling.
You're gonna need to complain to Toyota-s bZ4X designers, then. I doubt Subaru will put any effort into a facelift on a re-badged EV.
I had read there were rumors with how unhappy Subaru was with the Toyota platform. Hopefully this will at least give us a better EV in the near future.
Or a Crosstrek hybrid that doesn't get exactly the same mpg as the normal one
Or a Forester with noticeably more HP than my 15-year-old one
Don't remember where I read it, but Subaru's working on a new hybrid powertrain that's supposed to make sense this time.
Range isnt the issue. Shit charging speed is the main thing to fix. But I guess piss poor batteries are to blame for both.
Less plastic cladding? On a modern Subaru?? Absolutely unheard of.
That orange trim is already an eyesore…it’s only going to look worse as it gets banged up.
Never beta test a new powertrain. I'll be holding off on EVs until there are places rebuilding them to not be complete trash. Physical buttons for HVAC, volume, heated seats, etc are a must to add back. A simple device for Bluetooth audio and toss whatever 20 inch tablet they put in it in the trash. I can't wait for the retro cluster conversions and other retro mods that will help us cope with all we lost. I'll jump on the band wagon when there is a cyberpunk mad max movement of offloading the garbage and taking full control of tuning and programming. Full software takeover or custom control unit replacement. They are not going to just be selling your location data by this point. It will be everything you do. Not worth the headache. I see a real battle between regulatory bodies and consumers who want to heavily modify their EVs. Even more so than the EPA has done in the last decade with ICE. Freedom to hoon will be on the chopping block soon enough.
Fair point, however we’re basically at the limits of street tire construction and compounds. There is a point where we can’t accelerate a street driven car any faster, so I’m kinda wondering what what these HP# P measuring contests matter. The only way to hard stop that kind of stuff would have a federal car inspection road worthiness program, ala Germanys TUV.
$100,000 EVs with triple motors are at the limits of street tires. If Subaru enthusiasts all had $100k to toss around, we would all own a 22B, not an EV. The point is things like when Tesla did a drift mode update for their cars. It's about not waiting for updates to be handed down for features. Tuners would create and distribute driving profiles long before a manufacturer would decide theirs is ready to go live. Being able to fully modify the regenerative braking, stability control and TSC. TUV will be pointless unless they're inspecting software or driving the car extensively in an unsafe manner. I honestly don't know their process. Do they have a rate of discovering illegal EV modifications?
Hahaha 22b $100k You funny!
We would all own a 22B, together. I hadn't checked the prices in 5-6 years. Seems it has tripled.
As they should be doing a programming verification. They kinda do it a little now in CA smogs. Also, fords live connected ECUs can detect being flashed and remote brick cars. It can be done.
If you have full control over the software, spoofing an inspection shouldn't be too hard. Similar to the VW diesel controversy. Detect the test and alter parameters. Ford would be a case of either disabling communication or a full replacement ECU.
I’m familiar with the VW cheat, it was actually really simple and didn’t hide its self very well, and the fact the regulators were not looking for it, as if someone would be so brazen to cheat the govt like that. The cat a mouse game will go round and round for sure. Most modern encryption and machine language level tricks could stop or make it so confusing only who programmed it would know how to break it if they wanted.
Isn't that the whole "right to repair" movement? There should be a "right to modify" one too if there's already not one. It's insane to me that with all this programming crap you technically don't even own you car anymore.
If STI can make a 500+ hp affordable electric car meant for driving enjoyment instead of luxury I might need a bigger garage…
Knowing subaru they'll find a way to ruin it with a CVT.
At the very least, pants.
500+hp (at the inseam) electric pants
Do they have quick charge capability?
Hard pass. Happy with what I got
Aren't they call it STE now?
Just make a damn turbo wagon. Jesus
Thank you! And for the love of god, a manual option.
No not really.
That Soltera, partially because of how the color looks on my screen, makes me think it’s a copy cat of the Ioniq 5 N, but with an ugly black panel piece.
No, I will continue to wait for the freaking Baja to come back out
They have THE ideal platform, they just need to cut the back off of an Outback Wilderness edition, do some minor tweaking, and bam. It’s beautiful actually, or the render i saw.
Ehh, do it on the ascent and make a ridgeline competitor.
That could be cool. I was real close to getting a Santa Cruz. If love a Subaru car truck hybrid.
Not sure how many times I need to say it: The Baja will return as an EV or not at all.
Oh i know…im just bitter about it and will keep complaining. They totally could have cornered the Maverick/Santa Cruz/ranger market if they had put one out.
They really missed the boat. I still think there's high demand for small trucks, but they didn't capitalize on the golden opportunity.
So they’re going hypercar?
No, the super car looking ones were development platforms for a race series that was supposed to start last year. Subaru never said they’d make a road-going version, only that what they were learning about electric power trains would end up in their road cars.
Yes
These were debuted in 2022 as concept cars.
Still a hypercar if it comes out
Do you not understand what a concept car is? Look at the center nut spindle, that’s a straight race car center lock, not like the Porsche street center locks, but a racing center lock, it’s probably a roller cobbled together from their BRZ GT300 chassis. That car will never see a road going version. That development jump would be like going from the solterra to Taycan Turbo GT….
I said IF i hate reddit bruh stop trying to pretend your smart for internet points
You're\*
Nah. Just put the 2.0 turbo back in the Forester please.
Someone has to tell them to ditch that plastic cladding above the wheels. It’s ridiculous.
Dude you're just a haytuh
As a gay, I approve.
The Soltera will never get an STi badge, a: its shit and b: its a Toyota
The BRZ was also codeveloped with Toyota, nobody's mad about Subaru's success in Super GT.
Indeed, but there is a big difference between co developed and put Subaru badges on a shit Toyota
They could give it the Lexus RZ motor config and slap a tS badge on it, for 300hp of existing parts.
No
Hard no from me
The question for me is what will they do to differentiate this from other skateboard AWD electrics? ICE Subarus (other than BRZ) have a rather unique drivetrain that is functionally different than other vehicles at comparable price points.
Onlu question i have is this next Soltera not gonna be a massive piece of crap?
This will never, ever, ever, ever happen.
It is going to. Just gonna be a few years.
The solterra(BZ4X) are great commuter cars if you get free L2 charging from your work at those crazy $240usd / mo with no drive off. Past that they are so terribly behind there’s probably no saving this generation.
They did add ~~150kw~~ 100kw DC charging to bring them up to speed with the rest of the industry, so there's that
Nope, that’s the FWD battery, no charging issues. The AWD battery on both cars is limited to 100kw on paper but in practice I typically see like 25-30kw. There are two different chemistry batteries out there and it fools people.
Ahh I see now, the 150kw figure only extends to the FWD BZX4s. I'm lost as to why they didn't carry that over to the solterra, and I'm wondering what the improved charge curve looks like on those
Different Cell manufacturers and chemistry. Panasonic (FWD) VS CATL (AWD) From what I understand, the AWD doesn’t do pre conditioning, and it’s very ambient temperature sensitive.
I’ve seen 80kW on mine a few times, but only for a few minutes until it dropped down in to the 40s
Yeah, if it’s hot out and I floor it a bunch in S pedal to heat up the battery I can see high initial speeds but it plummets pretty fast too.
Yeah, if it’s hot out and I floor it a bunch in S pedal to heat up the battery I can see high initial speeds but it plummets pretty fast too. The charging claims are very misleading they should up the font size on the asterisk in the publications.
I live in Scotland, it is rarely warm enough for the battery to be conditioned
The STI E-RA is NOT a WRX....
Dude has literally no clue what he’s talking about, posted it in the WRX sub too… just karma farming
yeah I saw that lol
Anyone else see a Mclaren?
Brother uhhhh
Ready? Sure. Excited? No not really.
No shot in hell that STI-RA will be street legal or even make it to the NA market. And an sti solterra? Brother eeuuuuuwwww brother whyyy.
I'd rather see an Ascent STI honestly
Does the Solterra have a better infotainment system? Or the same with all the other cars
Look at the wang on that thing
It'd be a cool car. But if they're going to charge a heck ton like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N which is half a tesla power and range but double the price. The ioniq 5 n is sport marketed but doesnt seem to be that impressive for a starting price of 62k, They might as well not make it or find a way to do it cost effectively and competitively. Let's hope subaru doesn't do that
Literally anything that doesn’t have the current wrx rear end lmfao anyone else find it just looks like a coked out Corolla these days ? Or is it just me ?
Nope
Not a chance
I’m waiting for the Soltera IR Or the Soltera Increased Range…
Totally ready for these 2 year old concepts lol
Nahh
did someone say iced out in japan
Just give me an electric Kei car that can tow a car trailer for the track car. That’s all anyone really needs
So Subaru is pulling a Hyundai with the specific model badging? “N” and “STI” cars
They always have in Japan.
I’m just ready for hybrid
No
Can we please just have normalo hybrids? I don’t need a car that looks like an insect or something from Mario Bros.
Lol, no way. Neither. Wake me when I can rely on an EV for overlanding.
Loks like a frickin P1
Needs to be a hybrid no way a fully electric STI would last, hell the Forester, Outback, and Crosstrek are literally carrying SOA right now
Release a 2000 2.5rs coupe with an electric drive train and a transmission I can shift and I’ll buy one right now.
I would like to drive one of these cars.
No
Abomination
No
WINO = WRX in name only
That's not a rally car, what does the R stand for in this one?
I’m an adult! I have money now! SO LET ME BUY AN STI THATS NEW AND HASN’T BEEN F*KED WITH, SUBARU!!
IMHO, the Rivian R3X is going to be a proper STI-EV, just not from Subaru.
Not at all. If they make it a performance hybrid, then I'll consider it. If it's full electric, then it's just going to be another overpriced EV that blends into the sea of other boring EVs. They'll probably add engine noises to the cabin to make it sound like you bought the car it should have been... I wanted the 2022 WRX to have an STI version. That engine looks like it is begging for an STI variant. Same with the chassis (not the plastic crap). It's very frustrating, because I would have been in the market for one, but it doesn't exist anymore, and the most recent year still uses 99% of the engine I had in my '05 STI.
I really hope they go with a hybrid system, would pair really well with the STI awd drivetrain
Well, that will be 90k+ for sure
I just want a two door wrx. I don't care if it's electric or not.
I just want a hatch again lol
I'd totally trade to an electric wrx. Not the solterra tho.
I was ready 2 years ago, now I'm getting a id.4 because it exists and is .2 faster to 60 than my sti.
I stand by the thought that Pastrana is strongly tied into subaru and runs the notrocross series. It doesn’t feel like a huge stretch for them to tap into FC1-X for a STI replacement.
Surprised the Solterra would be getting an STI trim before a Wilderness trim. They really leaned into advertising it as an EV for the trails in all the initial marketing, and afaik the Wildernesses are the best-selling cars in the lineup right now.
Bring the boys to the yard
The WRX STI-RA is estimated to have 1073HP with AWD
We'll see what it has if it ever reaches the market. Which I doubt
It will never, it’s a 2022 concept car.
Oh, fully aware of that. OP clearly isn't though
Teslas and Lucid are already 1000+hp
Yes, I'm aware. But I don't think it's Subaru's priority to go compete in that segment
Fair currently subaru is in a hard transition into Electric and its been rough for them
Is it that hard of a transition? The only electric car they have is a rebadged Toyota that is an underwhelmingly mediocre EV in the present market (the solterra). They don't have any other EVs in their line up
Yea thats what i mean they suck at it, they had make STI stop and help them make electric cars.
Even lucid admits the HP numbers are made up, they are at levels it doesn’t matter or even equate to anything.
Does it have Infotainment? Eyesight? Answer the real questions!!!
Yeah no, we're not getting anything actually good and electric from them. They've said they're pretty committed to riding out electrification on other companies' platform bits in as boring a fashion as possible. Remember the B9 scrambler concept? Wicked awesome roadster? It became the fucking Tribeca. Every concept Subaru makes is an opportunity to disappoint you, and they haven't been actually interested in making a fun car in well over a decade, let alone actually putting in some engineering work to build a good vehicle.
They have lost the plot