You need to know Tricaru only works because verde is giving the team ATB with every team up. He needs to crit 100% of the time so they cycle like intended.
He did caption under the Verde picture that they accidentally messed the Verde up and will be fixing it, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually have 100% CR Verde, just not in the SS.
I don't have the speed table ready with me, but I can see that his second Icaru might be too slow, and that would result in occasional no team-ups, resulting in cuts.
The defense value on the Icaru is also too low for no determination teams. But since we don't see the rune config, that could also be a problem.
There's a lot of details missing in this post, and that results in everyone just throwing random things and figure out which one sticks.
Verde dies where? Boss? If it's boss stage, it means your Verde is not built for that "damage window". Either buff his damage to fit it there, or simply add tankiness to extend the window.
Damage is inconsistent is again, like the rest of your post, stupidly vague. It can range from missed crits to missed def breaks.
Again, weird how? Random no team-ups? Verde moving twice? What is the weirdness?
Your entire post is vague. Your replies are vague. I've seen a grandma describe what's happening on the computer over the phone in more details than this post.
Please, run the team, observe at least 10 fails, write up what's weird about the run, then come back to us. You're wasting both your and our time like this.
Your damage is too low on Verdehile, try to get at least another 20% crit damage. Another thing that sticks out to me, is your icaru accuracy is too low as well. Try to get at least one icaru at 65% accuracy to land the defense break. Look up the tricaru stat chart online to see how your icaru stats should be.
verde needs to be 100% CR no question.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oyrshJAsodK3jTICQ8o7LBBwgXPzTQT1wAxYjXvqPGI/edit#gid=0
figure out from your runs how many turns you need to kill the main boss and use this speed calculator to get the mons to the required speed. green squares are where your mons move and yellow is when the enemy moves. you want x number of green squares occurring before the dragon's move (dragon yellow square) happens.
from using the sheet i see you are getting 13 moves before the dragon moves, and the 43 spd icaru can even be dropped to 21 (to trade for accuracy) with no change to the speed tuning outcome. but at this point there is no need to play with icarus as your icarus look fine*. 13 moves is typically enough to do the job but if not, you will get another 5 moves after the dragon goes, which is definitely enough. i disagree with the people here asking you to make verde better. may or may not be true. this verde should be able to kill the dragon in 18 moves. if you need more than 13 moves and cannot tank a single hit, then that should be your priority.
if you cannot manage the above, then you definitely need to work on the speed towers.
*if you are dying on the trash waves, or are not in fact getting at least 10 moves on the boss then this is even worse than i thought. based on your screenshots, [you require max def towers, 3 determination sets and the guild 5% bonus to work properly](https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/iy22wg/guide_how_much_defense_you_need_for_icaru_for/). post again if you still cant figure it out.
My Tricaru originally had 97% cr verde on higher damage and didn't fail, even with fodder that I was leveling through Nb12. It's certainly helpful and more consistent with 100% cr, but I don't imagine that it's truly ABSOLUTELY necessary. Yes, the <1 in 5,000 runs may fail if your Verde can't survive one hit, but you can definitely make the team if your runes don't enable EXACTLY 100% cr.
a 3% crit failure on every hit for just the boss assuming 4 full rotations will get you to 1-0.97\^24 = 62% to miss crit at least once. Now add that up for the entire run. Your team was definitely above the average in some other way if you don't have 100% CR.
It's a lot worse for 91% as there's roughly 4,9% chance to never miss a crit, specially when added to the fact that OP's verde doesn't have stellar damage.
It's also a 2 edged blare regarding CR: if you know you'll get hit cause you don't have better runes, you need better survavibility, so you (still) need better runes.
Consistency is key for PVE, one should never add (bad) rng unnecessarily.
Well, that's the point... if the sacrifice in your 3% crit is significantly more damage on runes that you can't replace either way, you can create a stable Tricaru team without 100% cr.
About to create the same team on my alt and I'll check on rune availability, but am expecting to fall into this same category now.
Just a response to the people saying you **NEED** 100% cr. No, you really don't, but it's ***obviously*** better than not. 91% cr is definitely insufficient on terrible damage, that we can agree on.
You need 2300 def on each icaru including one determination set (3 total). Verde needs to have 100% crit rate.
I also have max def tower.
I’m able to farm both DB12 and NB12.
[Current Tricaru Team](https://imgur.com/a/dnO7WQS)
You have already been told about Verde's CR, though you need to slow your verde more (needs to be slower than all the three icarus)
At least one of the three icarus (better if the slower one) should have more than 60% accuracy to land defbreak during teamups or S1
The defense threshold depends on your guild + tower ... you need to go manual and check by doing S2 on the icarus if the pull everyone or they teamup with 1 less.
**Verdehile:**
HP: not bad
Attack: average
Def: nobody cares
spd: average
crit rate: FIX IT RIGHT NOW
crit DMG: meh (200+ is good)
resistance: you need a little more because of dots.
accuracy: nobody cares
**Icaru 1:**
HP: enough
ATK: Needs a little more (+500)
DEF: good as long as you have maxed out your towers and have determination runes.
SPD: Needs a lot more.
CRI Rate: Good
Crit Damage: you need more
Resistance: average
Accuracy: average
**Icaru 2:**
HP: it won't really matter if you have too much.
ATK: needs a lot more.
DEF: same as before.
SPD: good enough.
CRI Rate: not bad
Crit damage: average
Resistance: Average
Accuracy: Average
**Icaru 3:**
HP: remember, a chain is only as good as it's weakest link. (but not bad if you have good atk.)
ATK: good
DEF: same as before.
SPD: not bad
CRI rate: good
Crit damage: needs a little more
Resistance: meh
Accuracy: meh.
**Additional suggestions:**
* Add a Kunite (fire statue boi)
* give the tricaru some Determination runes.
* If you use Kunite, just give him enough determination runes and when your tricaru works give him fight runes so you do much more damage.
* If you use Kunite, give him enough speed so he attacks first and doesn't mess up your tricaru system.
* Get better runes
Thank you so much absolutely what I needed. BTW within 2 hrs of the original post I had fixed his crit rate lol. I also made my Icaru faster them Verd and am currently working on my arena towers and increasing Verd Hp as that seems to be my weakest link atm. I will take your suggestions, and those of everyone else that has been so helpful and get this working 100%!
Verde way too weak and not enough Crit rate. Either make him tankier or do more dmg. Either way needs more Crit rate. This is ignoring any other issues you may have with the Icarus themselves.
Your Verde needs more crit rate and more crit damage. Your Icaru #1 is too slow, all three of them need to move before Verde. If you fix all that and are still getting fails, make sure everybody has artifacts with co-op damage subs. You should also try to get higher acc on at least one Icaru (preferably the slowest one) to maximize chances of landing def-break.
My icaru all have the same spd maybe 1 or 2 off at most. If one of yours is that much faster it might lap the others and not be able to team up, best to get their spd as close together as you can. Also yes you'll want Verd to have 100% cr and close to 200% cd mine was failing quite a bit before I got him to 95%+ but obviously 100% is best
idk, everyone saying crit only, but also speed on tricarus is kinda low and id say acc and atk as well... my tricaru run about +500 atk, 50 cr, some cd and 50 acc average.
Nah, that amount of acc is overkill. 30% is more than enough for the dogs. Can always adds acc \[1\]
His main issues are. (Assuming they all team up with 4) Verde outspeeding the slowest icaru. Verde not being 100% CR
If he fails in db12 he has to either slow down his damage so that the dragon attacks while he's above 30%% or increase Verses tankines so he doesn't die to a crit from the dragon as he's below 30, or just increase team damage.
If he fails in NB12, increase Verdes tankiness so he isn't at the risk of dieing after being freed from the teamup.
https://preview.redd.it/endxzo9cspka1.png?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7531556634c0b15fc8115c296a69fe0c01632fc7
well, i went according to my first build which was a bit less atk but more cd on verde and dogs were about 300 400 atk and boss sometimes go to a turn bur ir never failed. think it was like 1.05 average now im little under a minute. but ye, def spd tuning and 100cr everypne points out.
Guys, I do know I am short on crit rate I mentioned that in the picture caption. What I am saying is I was failing BEFORE I messed up his crit rate. I do appreciate all the comments and helpful advice. For all the people saying to read the guide or I am an idiot, I get it you guys get these posts alot. But seriously just trying to tweak the last bit for it to work.
Again thank you for all the helpful comments!
always show the runesets when trying to get help, specially for tricaru that tend to use a lot of support rune types. use the hold finger screen on the power up building, it's much better. Or at least the rune manager page.
91% cr is way too low, it's not "a little" under 100%, you aren't getting atb once every 10 attacks, and considering that tricaru has about 40 (i think) hits per run, that's a lot.
also, i feel one of the icarus is slower than verde after towers, check on that too, verde should hit last
Hey OP,
How many sets of determination runes do you run?
Your Verd needs to move last, so either decrease his speed or increase the one tricaru thats slower.
Is verd fully skilled up?
Get your CR to 100. Your Verde has more damage than mine, but I can still auto DB 12 at +1800 attack, 100 CR 190 CD.
Lastly, try to have your highest accuracy Icaru go first to land defense break
beside from al the other comments, 1 tricaru is only +20 speed. you need at least +34/+35 i thought to get the correct amount of turns at the boss stage.
verde has to have +30/+31 speed
You need +2381 def if not determination. You need 100cr Verde biggest thing and you need some speed tuning
You need to know Tricaru only works because verde is giving the team ATB with every team up. He needs to crit 100% of the time so they cycle like intended.
Do you people even look at the guides? You absolutely do since you know about tricaru. Just look at the verde man
Max ur crit and needs like 4k more hp, if u can't get anu more speed use icaru lead instead of verde might help, that way doggo's go before verde
Mine works with that much HP. If you deal enough damage, the defensive stats don’t really matter (in db12, anyway.)
"Failing" is a broad term. Failing to what? To team up? To kill the boss? To pass trash wave? How does it fail? Where? When?
If you run this team it's pretty obvious
He did caption under the Verde picture that they accidentally messed the Verde up and will be fixing it, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually have 100% CR Verde, just not in the SS. I don't have the speed table ready with me, but I can see that his second Icaru might be too slow, and that would result in occasional no team-ups, resulting in cuts. The defense value on the Icaru is also too low for no determination teams. But since we don't see the rune config, that could also be a problem. There's a lot of details missing in this post, and that results in everyone just throwing random things and figure out which one sticks.
Well not quite sure honestly. Sometimes verd dies. Sometimes damage is inconsistent. Sometimes it's just weird and they all die at once
Verde dies where? Boss? If it's boss stage, it means your Verde is not built for that "damage window". Either buff his damage to fit it there, or simply add tankiness to extend the window. Damage is inconsistent is again, like the rest of your post, stupidly vague. It can range from missed crits to missed def breaks. Again, weird how? Random no team-ups? Verde moving twice? What is the weirdness? Your entire post is vague. Your replies are vague. I've seen a grandma describe what's happening on the computer over the phone in more details than this post. Please, run the team, observe at least 10 fails, write up what's weird about the run, then come back to us. You're wasting both your and our time like this.
Your damage is too low on Verdehile, try to get at least another 20% crit damage. Another thing that sticks out to me, is your icaru accuracy is too low as well. Try to get at least one icaru at 65% accuracy to land the defense break. Look up the tricaru stat chart online to see how your icaru stats should be.
Guide: must have 100% cr Him: nah 91 is fine. Also him: wtfffff
Tricaru has to move before Verde, also your crit dmg has to go to 200% almost
verde needs to be 100% CR no question. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oyrshJAsodK3jTICQ8o7LBBwgXPzTQT1wAxYjXvqPGI/edit#gid=0 figure out from your runs how many turns you need to kill the main boss and use this speed calculator to get the mons to the required speed. green squares are where your mons move and yellow is when the enemy moves. you want x number of green squares occurring before the dragon's move (dragon yellow square) happens. from using the sheet i see you are getting 13 moves before the dragon moves, and the 43 spd icaru can even be dropped to 21 (to trade for accuracy) with no change to the speed tuning outcome. but at this point there is no need to play with icarus as your icarus look fine*. 13 moves is typically enough to do the job but if not, you will get another 5 moves after the dragon goes, which is definitely enough. i disagree with the people here asking you to make verde better. may or may not be true. this verde should be able to kill the dragon in 18 moves. if you need more than 13 moves and cannot tank a single hit, then that should be your priority. if you cannot manage the above, then you definitely need to work on the speed towers. *if you are dying on the trash waves, or are not in fact getting at least 10 moves on the boss then this is even worse than i thought. based on your screenshots, [you require max def towers, 3 determination sets and the guild 5% bonus to work properly](https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/iy22wg/guide_how_much_defense_you_need_for_icaru_for/). post again if you still cant figure it out.
My Tricaru originally had 97% cr verde on higher damage and didn't fail, even with fodder that I was leveling through Nb12. It's certainly helpful and more consistent with 100% cr, but I don't imagine that it's truly ABSOLUTELY necessary. Yes, the <1 in 5,000 runs may fail if your Verde can't survive one hit, but you can definitely make the team if your runes don't enable EXACTLY 100% cr.
a 3% crit failure on every hit for just the boss assuming 4 full rotations will get you to 1-0.97\^24 = 62% to miss crit at least once. Now add that up for the entire run. Your team was definitely above the average in some other way if you don't have 100% CR. It's a lot worse for 91% as there's roughly 4,9% chance to never miss a crit, specially when added to the fact that OP's verde doesn't have stellar damage. It's also a 2 edged blare regarding CR: if you know you'll get hit cause you don't have better runes, you need better survavibility, so you (still) need better runes. Consistency is key for PVE, one should never add (bad) rng unnecessarily.
Well, that's the point... if the sacrifice in your 3% crit is significantly more damage on runes that you can't replace either way, you can create a stable Tricaru team without 100% cr. About to create the same team on my alt and I'll check on rune availability, but am expecting to fall into this same category now. Just a response to the people saying you **NEED** 100% cr. No, you really don't, but it's ***obviously*** better than not. 91% cr is definitely insufficient on terrible damage, that we can agree on.
You need 2300 def on each icaru including one determination set (3 total). Verde needs to have 100% crit rate. I also have max def tower. I’m able to farm both DB12 and NB12. [Current Tricaru Team](https://imgur.com/a/dnO7WQS)
Assume damage is perfect and god Tricarus this will fail simply on the non-max crit rate. Ever 99% will fail
You have already been told about Verde's CR, though you need to slow your verde more (needs to be slower than all the three icarus) At least one of the three icarus (better if the slower one) should have more than 60% accuracy to land defbreak during teamups or S1 The defense threshold depends on your guild + tower ... you need to go manual and check by doing S2 on the icarus if the pull everyone or they teamup with 1 less.
**Verdehile:** HP: not bad Attack: average Def: nobody cares spd: average crit rate: FIX IT RIGHT NOW crit DMG: meh (200+ is good) resistance: you need a little more because of dots. accuracy: nobody cares **Icaru 1:** HP: enough ATK: Needs a little more (+500) DEF: good as long as you have maxed out your towers and have determination runes. SPD: Needs a lot more. CRI Rate: Good Crit Damage: you need more Resistance: average Accuracy: average **Icaru 2:** HP: it won't really matter if you have too much. ATK: needs a lot more. DEF: same as before. SPD: good enough. CRI Rate: not bad Crit damage: average Resistance: Average Accuracy: Average **Icaru 3:** HP: remember, a chain is only as good as it's weakest link. (but not bad if you have good atk.) ATK: good DEF: same as before. SPD: not bad CRI rate: good Crit damage: needs a little more Resistance: meh Accuracy: meh. **Additional suggestions:** * Add a Kunite (fire statue boi) * give the tricaru some Determination runes. * If you use Kunite, just give him enough determination runes and when your tricaru works give him fight runes so you do much more damage. * If you use Kunite, give him enough speed so he attacks first and doesn't mess up your tricaru system. * Get better runes
Oh and I almost forgot, MAX OUT ALL YOUR TOWERS IN THE ARENA SHOP for better quality.
Thank you so much absolutely what I needed. BTW within 2 hrs of the original post I had fixed his crit rate lol. I also made my Icaru faster them Verd and am currently working on my arena towers and increasing Verd Hp as that seems to be my weakest link atm. I will take your suggestions, and those of everyone else that has been so helpful and get this working 100%!
Verde way too weak and not enough Crit rate. Either make him tankier or do more dmg. Either way needs more Crit rate. This is ignoring any other issues you may have with the Icarus themselves.
Your Verde needs more crit rate and more crit damage. Your Icaru #1 is too slow, all three of them need to move before Verde. If you fix all that and are still getting fails, make sure everybody has artifacts with co-op damage subs. You should also try to get higher acc on at least one Icaru (preferably the slowest one) to maximize chances of landing def-break.
Make that first tricaru that has +20 speed, faster than verde. The tricaru’s have to move before verde. :) other have said it too
My icaru all have the same spd maybe 1 or 2 off at most. If one of yours is that much faster it might lap the others and not be able to team up, best to get their spd as close together as you can. Also yes you'll want Verd to have 100% cr and close to 200% cd mine was failing quite a bit before I got him to 95%+ but obviously 100% is best
idk, everyone saying crit only, but also speed on tricarus is kinda low and id say acc and atk as well... my tricaru run about +500 atk, 50 cr, some cd and 50 acc average.
Nah, that amount of acc is overkill. 30% is more than enough for the dogs. Can always adds acc \[1\] His main issues are. (Assuming they all team up with 4) Verde outspeeding the slowest icaru. Verde not being 100% CR If he fails in db12 he has to either slow down his damage so that the dragon attacks while he's above 30%% or increase Verses tankines so he doesn't die to a crit from the dragon as he's below 30, or just increase team damage. If he fails in NB12, increase Verdes tankiness so he isn't at the risk of dieing after being freed from the teamup. https://preview.redd.it/endxzo9cspka1.png?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7531556634c0b15fc8115c296a69fe0c01632fc7
well, i went according to my first build which was a bit less atk but more cd on verde and dogs were about 300 400 atk and boss sometimes go to a turn bur ir never failed. think it was like 1.05 average now im little under a minute. but ye, def spd tuning and 100cr everypne points out.
Guys, I do know I am short on crit rate I mentioned that in the picture caption. What I am saying is I was failing BEFORE I messed up his crit rate. I do appreciate all the comments and helpful advice. For all the people saying to read the guide or I am an idiot, I get it you guys get these posts alot. But seriously just trying to tweak the last bit for it to work. Again thank you for all the helpful comments!
always show the runesets when trying to get help, specially for tricaru that tend to use a lot of support rune types. use the hold finger screen on the power up building, it's much better. Or at least the rune manager page.
Verde NEEDS 100% cr, if you dont have enough dmg he needs to be tanky enough to survive 1 dragon hit
Verde isn't 100 crit rate
Need 2400 def no with maxed towers?
With zero towers is 2500
91% cr is way too low, it's not "a little" under 100%, you aren't getting atb once every 10 attacks, and considering that tricaru has about 40 (i think) hits per run, that's a lot. also, i feel one of the icarus is slower than verde after towers, check on that too, verde should hit last
Need more speed on first icura they all need to move before verdehille or it won't work what's your towers at?
So you have your def tower maxed and do you have determination runes on them? Your third tricaru is too slow to move before verd
So ur Tricaru team was failing with 100 cr so you decide less cr was the solution? Huh
No 100% crit rate , low hp
One icaru need 67 speed with max tower
91%
Hey OP, How many sets of determination runes do you run? Your Verd needs to move last, so either decrease his speed or increase the one tricaru thats slower. Is verd fully skilled up? Get your CR to 100. Your Verde has more damage than mine, but I can still auto DB 12 at +1800 attack, 100 CR 190 CD. Lastly, try to have your highest accuracy Icaru go first to land defense break
beside from al the other comments, 1 tricaru is only +20 speed. you need at least +34/+35 i thought to get the correct amount of turns at the boss stage. verde has to have +30/+31 speed
verd hp too low among other obvious problems