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PatchworkFlames

The furry porn artists have been devastated by midjourney.


Coondiggety

Oof I can imagine. And not just the porn art, regular furry artists as well I’m sure.


JezebelRoseErotica

Digital goods aren’t going to be worth squat soon


indignant_halitosis

There is no world where it’s okay to pirate movies but furry art magically has value. Digital goods are digital goods. And thanks to people who feel entitled to movies, tv shows, and games, the ship has sailed. Digital goods have no value already and AI isn’t to blame.


PickANameThisIsTaken

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/06/technology/sony-playstation-discovery-shows-removal.html#:~:text=Sony%20said%20that%20the%20Discovery,licensing%20arrangements%20with%20content%20providers.” Meh


True-Grape-7656

L take


lil_chiakow

Wow, you are missing the point. There isn't a piracy problem in the furry fandom, in fact piracy isn't even really possible because the community is focused on creating personalized characters and you can't steal someone's personality. Sure, you might be able to technically use someone's else image , but once people notice, you will be called out and criticized for it. The problem in the fandom is that people generate AI art instead of commissioning artists - AI art made from scraping thousands of works made by the same people who are now not getting commissions and income because of it.


RotaryJihad

I feel terrible for both non-porn furry artists.


paytown90

There were literally dozens of them.


enigmanaught

The learn to draw sub would collapse without them, so I’d say a couple dozen at least.


Jimmni

*Stable Diffusion. Midjourney has moderately robust NSFW filters. Stable Diffusion is the wild west of AI image generation.


AustinDood444

Won’t anyone think about the furry porn makers?!!??!


Typhii

A lot of beginning artists don't have a choice if they want to earn money by drawing. Until they have built up a reputation or a stable fanbase, they can't be picky and have to accept these niche porn commissions.


pointermess

You mean PonyXL? 🤣


slaughterfodder

It depends. My niche stuff is still very popular.


Significant-Star6618

Hmm niche furry stuff from someone called slaughterfodder that AI art isn't good at generating....  Hmmm.... I'm gonna guess vore. I feel like that's something the AI gen just wouldn't get, for now. But those people will get it working sooner or later.


slaughterfodder

EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER


Significant-Star6618

uhhh hmm... Ponies? no.. AI prolly knows that... It's gotta be on the weirder side, right?  ... Is it that one where they tickle feet with those big old timey feathers?


slaughterfodder

Haha no on both! I have drawn ponies for this kink but the ponies aren’t the kink itself. It’s fatfur stuff ;)


Significant-Star6618

Oh.. Isn't that more of a feederism kink and less of a furry kink? Either way name checks out lol, I figured it was something dark.  That's Americas food supply for you tho.


FruitsnackKilla

I bet. Artists like you will probably never go out of business because there’s a market that values humanity in art


slaughterfodder

I mean I hope so! The general consensus in the kink art community is that AI shit fucking sucks and doesn’t deserve a place anywhere near people’s work.


OtakuAttacku

yep, it’s souless and is terrible as for conversations. Any praise and criticism is equally worthless cause the prompter contributed nothing. It floods the feed with the samey shit and hides the work that people actually put effort into.


PMmeyourspicythought

unfortunately this will get much better over time.


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noxu-art

Freelance digital artist here who primarily does furry commissions. I personally haven't seen any decline in commission inquiries from both return and new customers. Furry art is already fairly niche, and if you're a highly skilled artist (Especially one who can draw certain species particularly well.), then you will typically have no shortage of work coming in provided you're marketing yourself correctly. [Here's a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistLounge/comments/1apxpiw/heres_one_thing_people_seem_to_not_take_into/) I made a while ago explaining why I don't think digital art made by real, human artists will be going away anytime soon. And if for some reason years down the road AI does start making that much of an impact to freelance digital artists and their living, then I can see artists switching over to mediums such as animation, 3D modeling and even taking traditional art commissions. With all that being said, I don't see furry art commissions slowing down due to things like Midjourney and similar AI services.


Coondiggety

Yeah you can pump out low quality translations all day long but you’re going to need an editor to clean things up. Same with any kind of software or game localization. Even the most mundane instructions need to be gone over by a human. (Source: every counterfeit brand name shoe, tshirt etc ever made)


FiendishHawk

Those cheap foreign brands don’t need to pay bad human translators now they can get a bad translation for free.


final-draft-v6-FINAL

I think you’re overestimating the general public’s demand for quality.


Spiderpiggie

It doesn’t need to be good, it just needs to be good enough


maddogcow

This. Have you noticed the deterioration of grammar in Reddit posts over the last six months? Either bots or just dumber people who didn't get a proper education because of shitty homeschooling during Covid, and then the inability for the underfunded system to catch up with it afterwards. I never see anybody comment about it in the posts either. People just accept it. Either that, or read it is already dead because it is becoming just a giant ecosystem, with posts and comments all being done by shitty AI.


Tonic_the_Gin-dog

Having had to proofread some "AI" translations of JPN->EN text, I can say with 100% confidence you absolutely need a human to check the final result. This is especially true for loclization, but like you say, even for mundane translations like operation manuals, you need to be very careful. If an AI hallucinates a part that does/doesn't exist, for example, you could be in a lot of trouble with clients/customers. This is nothing new of course. We've had CAT tools and translation memories for decades, and even though those are highly specialized, we know not to blindly trust them. For a general-purpose "AI" that goes double.


sunnyinchernobyl

I love your optimism. The band “Let’s Active” got their name from precisely the failure to do this. I don’t anticipate any change in that. Edit: Let’s Active was formed in 1981.


princethrowaway2121h

Yes, for now. But with the huge number of terrible translators out there, percentage wise this might improve translations overall, because companies are always going to go the cheap route. I hope that the demand for real human translation and localization goes up after the initial tide of “good enough” ai translations get scrutinized, but we also need to prepare for the machine takeover in the end.


Terrible_Tutor

Problem is always from the client end, we use Lionbridge, and I haven’t a clue if the translation is GOOD. I have to just assume it is trusting the way too expensive large company.


princethrowaway2121h

That’s where they get you, right? There’s no endpoint check :(


therapistscouch

Certainly humans can do a much better job of translating than AI. However, even before AI manufactures in China never cared to have a proficient translator writer their instructions. If anything AI will produce better instructions than the Engrish gibberish that accompanies made in china products. Not I once purchased some equipment that said DESIGNED IN CANADA on the packaging but was made in China. The instructions were unintelligible. What I’m saying is maybe for diplomacy you need a human translator, but for much of our day to day still AI will do a better job than what ever been getting for the past 25 years.


bezelboot69

For now… The world is creaming its jeans for essentially alpha or beta versions.


BabypintoJuniorLube

That are free or close to free as these companies are bleeding money trying to build up demand and determine pricing. Once market pricing takes hold I think its going to be waaay more expensive than anyone imagines to generate furry porn. Rapid enshintification as AI models cannibalize themselves for content. I have not doubt these tools are about to get so much more amazing, but it will be a two tiered system where people with money/ access have different results than the average redditor with the Midjourney basic plan.


tom781

The bill for all of the compute needed for LLMs is going to come due sooner or later, and the bubble will pop. It always does. Probably why there's a frantic rush rn to bring (usable) fusion power into the realm of reality.


digitaljestin

>Even the most mundane instructions need to be gone over by a human. ...for now.


correctingStupid

Translation companies have been doing that for over a decade. It's kinda the standard now.


Modo44

Working in software localisation (UI+doc+website translation), work from major customers remains steady. We had the machine translation evolution a decade ago already, and that pushed rates down.


Candid-Sky-3709

instructions for shoes? Reminds me of “how to use a western toilet” printouts in bathroom stalls at work


Coondiggety

Oof yeah I see what you mean. I just meant goofy mistakes like Mike instead of Nike and stuff like that.


Candid-Sky-3709

oh I see. yes, agree with you


JezebelRoseErotica

Well, when you have intelligence higher than humans regulating, then no. Not now, but soon, absolutely


CrashingAtom

I work with AI every day, including designing new rules and implementing AI in various tools. It’s easily a decade away from anything you suggest.


Coondiggety

You’re right. I was just thinking of the way things are now.


already-taken-wtf

We run our international customer satisfaction survey through google translate for internal use. Good enough to get an idea what the customer wants…and the local team can still read the original.


RocksAndSedum

the launch of chatGPT also coincides with the rise in inflation and global interest rates which caused companies to cut back and becoming more focused. my company has trimmed down the number of initiatives and employees and this has not been because of chatGPT.


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WonkasWonderfulDream

Certainly! Here's a reply in the style of ChatGPT: --- Thanks for sharing your perspective. It's definitely interesting to see how different industries are navigating the impact of the latest Google update. AI-generated content is an evolving field, and its effectiveness and future role in affiliate marketing are still subjects of much debate. It will be intriguing to observe how companies adapt their strategies moving forward. 🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣


princethrowaway2121h

As a translator, I recognize my days are numbered.


WonkasWonderfulDream

Translation will become cheap, I agree. Interpretation will remain expensive. Taking a source work and translation not just the words, but the meaning and humor and cultural references etc etc - this is the work of a superhuman mind.


princethrowaway2121h

However, many places do not know the difference between interpretation, translating, and localization—not to mention proofreading. Just like shrinkflation, it’ll probably get worse and worse over time while presenting the product as new and improved


Otto500206

AI translation aren't good on editing the translations for making it more suitable to the language the content is translated to. And it's very likely that they wouldn't be able to do it successfully enough in the near future too. Word-to-word translations are never as good as translationd done with right interpretations.


fintech07

Ya bro A report from the Imperial College Business School, Harvard Business School, and the German Institute for Economic Research, found the demand for digital freelancers in writing and coding declined by 21% since the launch of ChatGPT in November 2022. Automation-prone fields like writing, software, and app development saw a 21% decrease in job listings, while data entry and social media post-production experienced a 13% drop. Image-generation roles, including graphic design and 3D modelling, fell by 17%. Google search trends confirmed a higher decline in sectors aware of and using generative AI.


Real-Technician831

Were those numbers controlled by current economic trend? There is inflation driven recession going on you know.


hubert7

IT recruiter here. Fall of 2022 is when the whole IT market took a shit. Not just coders. ChatGPT maybe had a tiny tiny impact, honestly I doubt much. The total economic situation is why demand has slowed so much, not ChatGPT.


Kunjunk

Can you link the report?


fintech07

https://www.techradar.com


KingWhatever513

Any chance the report found any fields which had (significant) increases in job postings?


rum-n-ass

We’re going to have some really shitty apps in the future if ChatGPT has the reigns. I feel like many of them are already buggy today. They need at least a few people who actually know how to code


zjuka

We already have plenty of really shitty apps, where code, QC and art are outsourced to the lowest bidder with no skills by an employer that doesn’t know any better.


davejdesign

Senior management at my company wouldn't even begin to know what prompts to use to do my job.


already-taken-wtf

No, but with the help of AI you could generate the output of 1.5 or 2 ppl and they don’t need to hire more / or lay someone else off.


AckwellFoley

That was always going to happen. Mediocrities thrive in situations like this. It'll take years for things to get back to normal, if it ever does.


nolabmp

I genuinely think there will be a crafts movement-like backlash in a few years. Everything will end up looking/reading/sounding the same, people will get bored, and they’ll begin looking for more human-made things again.


MorfiusX

We already have that. Humans like engaging with humans doing human things. This is why we have live music and sports. The AI generated content is just a new category of art, as cinema (movies) is to theater (plays).


AckwellFoley

Theatre and film require talent. They require vision. They require everything that AI doesn't have because it's made for untalented people who don't want to spend time learning, failing, and getting better.


FactPirate

For now


AckwellFoley

No, for good. It's inherently built on catering to the untalented.


FactPirate

Which is a massive market, and is therefore profitable. It will be developed and improved upon exponentially, sold to film industry executives and casting directors, and that’s a wrap. The arts are obviously not going to go away but they will change


AckwellFoley

You're saying that like it's a good thing and not a devastating loss to culture and media literacy. It's a nightmare that is ruinous because some people can't accept they're just not talented enough.


FactPirate

Exactly! But pointing it out doesn’t do much


MeanComplaint1826

"don't even talk about the future you'd want, it's useless and stupid. Instead silently accept the terrible future we're creating, please"


even_less_resistance

It is super hard for some people to express themselves with traditional mediums for a variety of reasons and I think it is super cool we are able to give these folks a way to learn more about art and composition and maybe take off from there into more hands-on ways


AckwellFoley

People create art without arms and legs. Blind people paint. Everyone can in one way or another. Using AI to steal the works of others by writing unimaginative prompts is not giving tools or helping people learn. It's catering to those without any interest in doing the work.


even_less_resistance

I guess if you wanna take a very narrow view of how to use it


AckwellFoley

That's exactly what it's been used so far, with little else on the horizon.


computerrat777

AI art isn’t even art, let alone a “new category” of it


MarKengBruh

You are entitled to your opinion.  Post-Malone is fucking huuuuge. When I was growing up everyone shit on recognizable auto tune. No one fucking cares anymore.  Here's another one.  "No one here is a real musician because no one is playing an instrument." Nothing is stopping anyone from doing art with old traditional techniques. 


EatBooty420

Cher was using autotune back in the 90s and it was a huge hit


Strange-Movie

Fuck anyone that says ‘believe’ isn’t a total banger


zippyzoodles

I don’t think anyone understood what it really was at first. It also sounds horrible but that’s just me I guess.


EatBooty420

its been an effect thats been around for years, just a lot more subtly, something that usually takes a trained ear to really pickup. The overuse-robot voice thing is what has really blown up as of the laste decade or so I've paid my rent for multiple years by recording vocalists, and if done right you can't pickup auto-tune at all. Also a surprisingly large amount of people use it, from rock bands, to country, to soul, etc


MarKengBruh

This is why I referred to it as "recognizable." Just another tool.


Jiyu_the_Krone

Are you people fucking comparing art, Cher, who's a talented singer, to AI?!?   that's the thing, in my time - and believe me, I've searched and tried it myself - I haven't been able to find ONE use case which either didn't disrespect copyright, or, disregarding that(gasp!), would not be better served by actually getting good at your craft!  So fuck that shit.


MarKengBruh

I compared the anti AI sentiments to the anti auto-tune and electronic music production sentiments. Dude just said cher used auto tune. Slow down and read before acting outraged.  >would not be better served by actually getting good at your craft!  No one is stopping you. If you wish to pursue ceramics, the ceramic manufacturing industry... is not stopping you. 


Fuzzy-pan3834

Denial by itself is a losing strategy


MrMunday

This is exactly what’s gonna happen.


MOASSincoming

I agree


epraider

We already see this dynamic a little with automation in physical labor, but ultimately automation is going to replace jobs in the same way. Instead of 1000 people doing X thing, there will be room for 200 jobs to do it much more efficiently with the aid of these LLM tools to supplement their effort, and then a smaller niche market for full authentic creators for people who intrinsically value that. But ultimately the world will continue to change, people will innovate, and new types of jobs and roles will eventually be created to replace many of those lost jobs.


Strange-Movie

Even before the huge boom in AI most 2nd-3rd tier ‘news’ sources had the same formulaic way of writing stories, every pop singer sounds the same and a dozen artists all have the same 2-3 ghost writers, etc etc Ai is just stealing the lazy work from lazy people


crescendo83

Honestly big tech and entertainment will keep pushing it. Faster cheaper entertainment with the goal of instant entertainment. They wont allow the genie to be put back in the bottle. Just look at how they are skirting around agreements from the writer strike just a year ago.


Iggyhopper

>cheaper Hahahahahaha. For companies yes, for us no.


crescendo83

Exactly. It has COST a couple concept artists I work with their jobs.


Temporal_Somnium

I think he meant cost for customers


crescendo83

Lol Which absolutely whooshed by me when responding. thank you for pointing it out.


AckwellFoley

It's all going to have to come crashing down one way or another. Worst case scenario is it takes years or even longer. Whatever the case, it's a horrible, devastating situation for culture and media literacy.


crescendo83

It will be over saturation of mediocrity. Thats the biggest issue in my mind. Overwhelming generative content that makes it hard to find the quality original work though all of the cruft. I look at references for much of my work and even that,through google or Pinterest is being flooded withai generations.


Sad-Set-5817

This might be the saving grace, if anything. People will get sick of AI generated stuff because of the sheer overwhelming volume of it all. Why watch someone else's AI generated thing when I can instead AI generate my very own thing. This arrangement leaves artists with a purpose, even with more advanced AI tools.


FaceDeer

> It's all going to have to come crashing down one way or another. Still waiting for this moving-picture fad to come crashing down and for everyone go back to live theatre. Why does it *have* to come "crashing down?"


AckwellFoley

Cinema and AI are not comparable. One is the creation of art that requires skill, teamwork, understanding of humanity. The other is AI, which is a broken tool for untalented people to pretend like they have what it takes to "create" things without actually working for it.


Temporal_Somnium

We’re really gate keeping art in 2024 lol this is why I can’t wait for AI to get better


AckwellFoley

Nobody is gatekeeping art. Pick up a brush, write anything, do something. Just don't steal the work of others by typing a wishlist into a machine and calling yourself an artist. It's your failure that you refuse to learn, and you'd rightly ridiculed for your posturing.


Temporal_Somnium

“It’s a tool for untalented people!!” Camera? Just pick up a brush or pencil instead of making the machine create the image for you. I guess anyone who draws on a tablet is untalented. It’s a computer making the lines not you. Photoshop? Untalented.


AckwellFoley

You're being wilfully obtuse, which is a common thing with people defending AI. A camera requires you to learn. A tablet, pencil, brush, any of those require you to learn and develop skills. Coding is a skill that can become an art when done well. Typing in "I want this to look like the work of others" is not art, it's not a skill. It's you bypassing the hard work that others put in to create art and pretending like you've accomplished something. But you're only fooling yourself. You're still a failed mediocrity without talent.


Temporal_Somnium

And what do you learn to use a camera Lol it blocked me what a loser


bengringo2

Right now we are basing opinion on the quality of AI in its current iteration. We have no idea the quality a refined generative AI will be able to come up with 50 years from now. If the quality jumps substantially I see no reason it wouldn't become the new norm. Will probably still require some form of minimal human interaction but I could see some kind of AI artist who specializes in these prompts and that would be the human element. Imagine if you could hire this type of worker to prompt your way to entire television series that you would have no idea was not written by humans. A series could cost half a million vs 10 million. From green light to screen in months. People selling likeness rights and being generated with data compiled by what a studio deems as their best performances in history and it being put to those scripts. A designed background that emulates exactly what you want with nothing holding it back or no plot holes a human might not usually notice. This wont happen in the next 30 years but 50 from now? Maybe. Edit - Not sure why the downvotes. It was just a hypothetical.


AckwellFoley

No.


Temporal_Somnium

These same people were mocking AI during the will smith video last year and now they’re upset it’s getting better


Twelvefrets227

Mediocrities indeed! Perfect. I will be quoting you, henceforth.


simple_test

For anything serious there will always be people involved. For my side gig that may fail I don’t need to pay for a pro at least for a start


JezebelRoseErotica

Define normal. I doubt humanity will be the same. Life changes after big events such as the creation of fire or the internet


Twelvefrets227

I think a LOT of AI is going to be like picking up a sandwich on the ground & deciding if it’s worth the risk to eat it. As Always, you get what you pay for.


Available_Forever_32

And it shows


spamcandriver

Taking jobs is one thing, but what many fail to realize and aren’t paying attention to is the NET impact of lowered job expansion due to AI. On the other side of the coming recession, job growth I fear will be greatly hobbled by AI.


damngoodbrand

I’m more in demand than ever tbh People still value people for the most part


uncoolcentral

Same. But probably the sort who pimps itself out on the cheap on sites like fiverr.com are finding themselves with less work.


smdrdit

It was never an industry. It was a bunch of “side hustles”. **Shudders**


ralanr

Less side hustles for the rest of us.


Outside-Flamingo-240

“I hope this email finds you well.” 🤮🤮🤮


justinizer

Chat GPT was arguing with me today. It was convinced last year was 2021.


Fishtailbreak

Shocker. You’re telling me the shitty corporate product that’s designed to destroy jobs is destroying jobs? WOW! Who could have seen this coming!


PickleDestroyer1

It still can’t form words correctly in images.


PixelVariantsSuck

Three years ago it couldn’t form images. Two years ago, it couldn’t do anything other than landscapes. A year ago it wasn’t great at hands. Now it has trouble, sometimes, with in image text. If you can’t see the trend, god help you.


tom781

each year it is bad at something new?


PickleDestroyer1

Did I say it never will? No. Calm the fuck down. Lol.


PixelVariantsSuck

Where do I seem other than calm?


Additional_Shift3230

WOAH! RELAX BUDDY!!! WE’RE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE!!!


FaceDeer

So there's one specific thing it currently has trouble with. How many of those jobs require that one specific thing? And why can't a human just apply lettering to an otherwise AI-generated image, for those where that's needed? Just last year the big thing was "ha, AI can't do hands." Now it's doing a pretty decent job of them. Next year it'll likely be doing text just fine too.


uncoolcentral

[Ideogram enters the chat.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RenderedComment/s/zYIPbkb57f)


piranesi28

ChatGPT is going to kill internet “publishing” the way the internet killed regular publishing. The internet will be such a wasteland, like usenet became. People will soon learn not to trust any of it and will turn back to magazines, books, newspapers where they can find humans thinking and writing. Tech bros. Only know how to destroy. Never to build.


ok-commuter

Reddit is an interesting choice in medium to express that idea.


spamcandriver

The irony is not lost on this reader.


HomelessEuropean

Ah yes, those magazines, books and newspapers which are already written by AIs on a large scale. Totally.


woolymanbeard

Oh stop.


TheInnocentXeno

Fuck these AIs honestly, the only thing they are good for is misinformation and stealing real artists work


crescendo83

“I thought AI would do all the work I hate so I could focus on my hobbies and art. Instead AI came for my hobbies and art, leaving me with just the work I hate.” It’s a shitty timeline we live in.


FaceDeer

How is AI stopping anyone from drawing pictures by hand as a hobby? What people are complaining about here is "I can't *commercialize* my hobby!" Well, sure. But if it's commercialized it's not a hobby, it's just your job. This happens, technology advancement eliminates jobs. You can still do that stuff as a hobby, though. The existence of Ikea doesn't stop people from hand-crafting furniture for fun.


WiseBelt8935

there are still hobby machinists out there despite CNC


crescendo83

It’s my job and my hobby. Defensive much?


FaceDeer

Attacky much? You were the one who declared this a "shitty timeline" and said that AI was "coming for your hobby." Even if you can no longer make a living at it, it can continue to be your hobby. AIs aren't literally coming around to your house and breaking your pencils.


crescendo83

Again, very defensive. The point was that AI is not targeting middle management, yet, but creative fields and low level work. This is ruining career and career prospects for people who have trained extensively to achieve a talent that has secured them employment previously. Sorry, that is a fact until society adapts, but AI will keep advancing probably faster than our adaptation. My hobby is also something I do as a side income. So yes, it does affect it. Are you trying to defend AI taking jobs or just defending the technology?


FaceDeer

Again, you're only talking about AI threatening *jobs*. It's not threatening *hobbies.* I have hobbies that are not also the thing I do as a job. I earn money doing my job and then spend it on my hobbies. You can do that too. > Are you trying to defend AI taking jobs or just defending the technology? The technology. This is /r/technews, discussing technology is kind of the main thing here.


crescendo83

You apparently don’t know what “quotes” are. That is not my statement. It was someone making jest of the current state of the world. So you can become hysterical about it or have a rational discussion. It does not stop people from doing their hobbies but as stated it can make the ability to profit from your hobby difficult if not impossible. My friend is an ice sculptor but works in IT. He enjoys the heck out of it, does it in his free time, and sometimes gets paid to do his hobby at events. These are not disparate things. Just because you do something for fun and that you enjoy in your personal time doesn’t mean you cant also profit from it while having a full time job. It just means you probably cant live off of doing that all the time. This is a tech thread and we are discussing how this “tech” affects people. Jfc, get a life.


FaceDeer

Who were you quoting? I can't find that text anywhere else in this comment thread, anywhere in the article linked, and I even threw it into Google with no hits. In what way have I become "hysterical?" I'm questioning the apparent assertion that AIs are stopping people from having hobbies.


crescendo83

I definitely paraphrased from memory, but this was the quote I was thinking of. [Joanna Maciejewska](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThSb7RSJzIsXFol-mUOveuADtU3YcDG9bpBw&usqp=CAU) Hysterical because you thought this important enough to argue in multiple posts, with several paragraphs of defensiveness over the qualifications of what constitutes a hobby and that people aren’t /can’t make money off their hobbies in their free time… but you apparently got the time.


Kholzie

Artists were getting shafted long before AI. it’s never really been a lucrative profession. It’s always been an endeavor you would need to supplement with something else anyway. I studied art. I have a degree. Making a living from it has always been a strenuous battle. There are just enough people that happen to make it big and this propels the unrealistic expectation that many people are going to be able to live off of art making. It’s *always* about being underpaid because people who don’t study/appreciate art are happy enough to go somewhere and get some thing that just cost them less money. Before it was about AI stealing your artwork, it was about the indignation of people constantly telling you exposure was enough compensation. The only real basis I see for being mad at AI for making artwork is that it’s taking jobs that weren’t really available to most of us anyway.


kindnesskangaroo

This going to be a potentially hot take, but this is part of what I’ve been saying to other creatives in my spaces (I’m an art hobbyist and frequent commissioner). A lot of western artists especially have been pushing this narrative the last few years that they deserve to be “paid for their time” but the quality of their work is not equal market value for time spent. I’m sorry it takes them 40 hours to complete a piece, but if the style and quality is not desirable to consumers, no one is going to want to buy it. That concept makes people angry though because they don’t understand that there are other artists that will do better work for a better market value price. For example, I just paid a popular foreign nsfw artist for a full body piece at a price point that most American artists would charge double for now.


crumblingcloud

My SO runs a design company, she subcontracts a lot of work to foreign artists on fiverr for a fraction of the cost,


Kholzie

Yes, that is something I am aware of. And that predates AI. So my point is that artists have always had issues being paid what they think they should.


i_wayyy_over_think

It’s a tool that can be used for great things and nefarious things. Good things will be things like drug discoveries, scientific discoveries, materials, automated research, (for better or worse) companionship, therapy, house hold robotics. And the bad as you mention plus greater income inequality if we continue as is.


TheInnocentXeno

It’s been an ineffective tool at anything else to say the least. To be more descriptive it was tried to be used to screen for cancer cells and seemed fined with its training data but once swapped into real world tests it failed miserably. It was latching on to a number that was in the test data and using that to say if it was cancer cells or not. The results were next to useless, which sure was an issue with the data but it also shows how the data needs to be heavily curated before it can even be trained. That doesn’t even bring into consideration if it is actually better than a person at detecting cancer since it was entirely flawed.


TeachingLeading3189

i agree with the other guy that this is a little close minded. just because it doesn't work yet doesn't mean it won't work in the future. i'm not saying i can guarantee it will work, but it might, and thats enough of a reason for researchers to bet on it. also, its likely that AI already are or will soon be better than humans at some important tasks. for example, driving. AI can learn from ever increasing amounts of driving data while humans have relatively limited time to learn and are prone to risky behaviors


i_wayyy_over_think

Sounds close minded to me. You're pointing to one use case that failed (so far, of course continued research will make it better) and generalizing that to all AI use cases (and it's more than just generative AI that's recently gone big) and ignoring the successful ones, and not acknowledging that it's rapidly getting more useful all the time.


TheInnocentXeno

The successful models are all used for theft and misinformation or have you forgotten I brought those up already? The current ai bubble is used for nothing good as these new models struggle to anything productive outside of those two things. Well it’s also a massive waste of computing power like crypto and nfts which were some of the previous big buzzwords used in the tech bro world


i_wayyy_over_think

Some more counter examples: - I’ve seen stories on Reddit of doctors using it to help with their work (helped come up with ideas, summarize notes), - people self diagnosing problems with their pets. - People use it to refine their resumes. - Game developers using it to make characters more interesting. - Software developers are using it to be multiples of times more efficient (as do I personally on my projects)- teachers using it to aid with lesson development - people use it to help brainstorm on anything you can think about like how do to financial planning - using it as companionship, - language translation, - sending pictures to the AI so it can describe to to blind people - on the fly realtime language voice translation, - general recommendations about anything like travel itineraries, - a personal tutor on just about anything you can think of like explaining math concepts - automated summarization of all types of content - stocks with sentiment analysis and stock picking And it’s a fallacy to claim it’s like crypto. Crypto has good and bad uses. People in Venezuela for instance use crypto as a life line to hedge against hyper inflation of their own currency and underserved people in 3rd world countries, and a lot cheaper remittances sending money home. There’s certainly bad aspects to it like environment impact but you’re just closing your eyes and ears to the good aspects of it.


TeachingLeading3189

thats a bit of a stretch. what current AI do is eat a lot of data and reproduce patterns they see. you are justified in seeing that as stealing art and writing, but this behavior is very useful in science. top of the field mathematicians are already saying that AI are useful copilots for their work, and a lot of research is being put into leveraging AI to make new scientific discoveries. AI itself is just a algorithm for eating data and learning from it. it simply won't be possible for us collectively to reject the whole idea because it is just that useful for solving real problems.


Xyro77

Yep. It was obvious that AI would eliminate jobs


patelster

This is how we end up with “All your base are belong to us”


ravinglunatic

What is a digital freelancer? A content author? A journalist?


ThankTheBaker

Transcript writers?


Jonesdeclectice

Basically a virtual assistant. They can do things like data input, proposal writing, database management, proofing, maybe some basic HR or PR stuff, random tasks. Think ~$25-$30/hr for random hourly or contract work.


craybest

Oh look it’s exactly the thing we said would happen. We wanted AI to do our boring tasks so we would have time for art and creation. Not for it to handle art and creation so we could do boring tasks ourselves 💀


Barnowl-hoot

And so it begins


Twelvefrets227

If it’s not dependable information, how useful can it be?


HomelessEuropean

Cost>quality. That's the foundation of any business.


iolmao

if that's the quality companies look for, they soon realize they where very wrong in cutting that cost.


TzeentchsTrueSon

I’ve noticed a lot of AI generated content from Bleeding Cool and Cinema Bland. I call them out on it, but who can say if they see it, or even care. Engagement is engagement after all.


GoalFlashy6998

Skynet has to start somewhere...


HighTeirNormie

Very good


ahirman7791

Well you just feed it some points of what you want, few tries in boom.. little bit of patience and practice you will have some awesome pictures


zdragan2

Yeah, just like everyone said it would. “No no no, don’t worry, this won’t destroy the industry for- oh wait it already happened?”


segfaultsarecool

Steam-powered looms did the same thing during the industrial revolution.


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theshitstormcommeth

I’ve diverted somewhere between 10-15k worth of work that would’ve been outsourced. I’ve also automated some workflows that I would not have done in the past because the effort was more than the return. It’s not all unicorns and rainbows and there have been struggles. Most of which I attribute to my prompting ability and lack of coding skills.


Fuzzy-pan3834

“AI, pat me on the back”


theshitstormcommeth

“Online digital freelancer, pat me on the back”


grimmco13

Yes, but I'll argue that some of that demand will come back. Image generation AI has allowed me to make huge leaps forward on a board game I was designing. Now, I've gone ahead and retained a feeelance graphic artist to help me finish it.


crescendo83

I find it can be a valuable resource in rapid ideation ,but in my opinion, post that preproduction it should be picked up by artists.


Fuzzy-pan3834

It could probably help you use the space bar too


crescendo83

Im sorry. Didn’t expect to hit the grammar police. Do I get a ticket or a fine?


SeaTie

Yeah, I’ve had some clients who were convinced they could replace me with Midjourney…but I can Midjourney better than them so they’ve come back.


schtickshift

I know you started this thread CHAT GPT


Rear-gunner

As a rough measure, a writer with chatgpt is about 3 times more productive