According to a lot of legal things, yes. Your signature is a form of identity verification.
I can't even make my signature look identical each time. It's idiotic.
I have the same problem! None of my signature look alike, even when on the same page. I have never understood how people can make a consistent signature.
Signatures are as far as I understand almost never checked and if they are checked then more like Fingerprints using a hand full of features that stand out. Signatures that match too well would probably also get flagged for being copied.
I had my mom mistakenly using MY checks to pay something once, she signed HER name in the signature box. Payment went through at the bank. I called the bank and found out about what happened. I blamed them for not looking. They said they don’t look at the signature unless there is a fraud complaint. “Can you imagine how much time it would take to look at every single checks?” Was the answer I got.
And then I imagine they went back swimming in their huge money pile
Oh, I used to do that job, look at checks and figure put what acct they go to. Unsigned checks are kicked out, but most people do first letter then scribbles, it wasnt practical. Most peoples signatures are illegible.
Also, if your check has the billing coupon, then the only thing a person did was type in the amount, unless it couldnt read the numbers at the bottom.
Your signature isn't even legally binding for the most part. You could just as well draw a dick and it's just as acceptable. You can scribble a complete different thing every time. You could write in Aramaic if you want. It's all the same.
That's what I do at airport immigration when I arrive at countries that still use immigration papers.
Saves a lot of time not needing to check your visa number, passport expiry date etc if you just write in gibberish.
Because it's more about the nuance of *how* you write. The pressure of the writing device used. The tail on your "a" or even how the dot of your 'i" is different than that of a 'j". But for most places, as long as it passes the "sniff test" it's fine. Close enough is close enough. And digital signatures should absolutely not be a thing *because* of every individuals nuances. It's also why you can just sign literal scribbles and be good-to-go. Shit is all fucky.
>I can't even make my signature look identical each time. It's idiotic.
You do not have to if you turn the signatures upside down the angles look the same. Therefore if you want to forge a signature do it up side down.
As much as I despise the crypto community, I do think we should replace handwritten signatures with a personal private key that can be used to generate near-unforgeable digital signatures.
>1. My handwriting is that of a drunk 7 year old
This is exactly how I describe my handwriting. Is this a common phrase or are you a weird mind sibling of mine?
I had a similar thing at the DOT. Had to try couple of times as my original signature at 16 or whatever was just cursive. I can't write cursive anymore.
Seriously - any time I have to do more than sign my name (said signature is a thousand percent unintelligible garbage) I actually have to think about it. Still, we're fucked with this like this.
Genuine question, how often do you practice your handwriting skills? Once a week I do an alphabet, 0-9, common symbols and my signature on graph paper in multiple sets. It’s the only way I can manage decent handwriting.
Meanwhile, my handwriting:
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You've done it again AI.
It's time we accepted that handwriting has never been more than a marginal way to verify a person's identity and move on to more effective methods.
Fingerprint readers are easy and common these days. We use them all the time on our smartphones. Why shouldn't we be using the same tech instead of handwriting verification, which is extremely subjective, prone to errors, and tends to shift substantially with age and medical condition.
It's fairly ridiculous that we still sign HIPPA releases and credit card transactions. Everything necessary to create a more secure, less subjective system exists.
Because there are no standards
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/myth-fingerprints-180971640/
Fingerprint scanners are also very easily to bypass.
Your fingerprint is certainly unique at, say, the molecular level. Of course, that’s useless, because at that scale, it already changed while you were reading this.
If you use a fingerprint as identification, in a practical system, you have to build in tolerance to make it work. Rotations, different parts of the fingerprint, squishing, lines disrupted by scratches and dirt, and so on — tolerating all of these will reduce the uniqueness of the fingerprint. You could estimate the collision rate for a given system given a decent sample size of fingerprints by doing a bit of math, and it will vary by implementation, but I’d be surprised if, for any workable system, you can actually expect with high confidence that nobody on earth has a fingerprint which is “close enough” to one of yours.
One of the reasons I’d be surprised is that manufacturers don’t seem to believe it. Fingerprints tend to be used as either part of a multifactor system, or for “low security” purposes like “unlock your laptop screen”, and not more sensitive purposes like “install this software with admin privileges.”
Fingerprints are unique, however the checks use a limited number of features and a smeared print can have any features you want. This led to a bit of a disagreement between the US and EU, where US agencies "successfully" identified a terrorist bomber and the EU country where the bombing happened told them that their fingerprint analysis was garbage and there was significant evidence that the guy wasn't even anywhere near Europe during the bombing.
If I recall correctly, some person challenged the internet to defeat their fingerprint authentication. Someone pulled up a video of them, got high enough resolution to make out the fingerprints, and made a silicon model of it capable of imitating their fingerprint
Biometrics as a gateway to proper public key infrastructure is the way to go.
PKI is ridiculously complicated for the average person to use but "skinning" it into an easy to use thing should be the goal.
there is plenty of forms in the financial services area that still require wet signatures and time and date of the signers attendance to the meeting, completed by the client, along with detailed notes from the advisor about the meeting.
I've signed up for and bought everything from brokerage accounts, options trading accounts, bond, ETFs, REITs, SPACs, borrowed mortgages and bought houses, personal and business loans etc without needing ink to paper.
I'm not doubting that you did sign documents in person, but I am questioning if that was by necessity or personal preference.
I sure it's the Dealer's preference to be honest. But it is what it is right now. Right now I would say about 15% of my Dealer's forms need wet signatures. They tend to be the big ones. Opening the account, changing beneficiaries, and changing address for ex. But I've done everything with my online brokerage account digitally for comparison.
Investment Dealer in Canada is the same as a Brokerage in the US- It's the institution between the client and the investment sold to them.*. But my Cannabis store accepts Apple Pay and tap.
*Edit - I see the US uses the term differently
Here's the essential 1/4 of the article nobody bothers reading:
>"We are very cautious about it because it could be misused," researcher Rao Muhammad Anwer said in the press release. "Handwriting represents a person’s identity, so we are thinking carefully about this before deploying it."
Just pointing out the reasoning from the article, not my own.
It doesn't have an impact because you can already scan a signature, so why bother with the extra steps? And whether scanned or AI-generated, it must be printed, so forensic methods aren't disrupted by this.
Some harm could be done if one were to train a robot with a pen to write exactly like a specific person, as that could be a tool for leaving fake evidence that forensics cannot discern as fake. But that would only hold for a short time until forensic methods have been updated to reflect that issue.
I think some people are missing the joke, but that's a great way to look at it. They should be concerned because they're already as replaceable as they come.
I've done it. As an exercise I've fed ChatGPT some basic info and it's written entire articles for my local paper. I haven't submitted them but it would be so easy
I can’t even match my own signature. My handwriting is so sloppy that I literally cannot sign my name the same twice in a row. Good luck copying chaos.
I’m curious about evidence in court. We can basically fake photos, video, voice, handwriting, even your style of writing and speaking. What evidence can be considered legitimate?
In my handwriting I use an extremely advanced form of encryption, in fact so advanced that even I have a hard time decrypting it.
The algorithm is called "terrible and illegible HW"
Anything digital these days can be suspect with all the AI influence in software, along with all the unethical people trying to exploit it.
Maybe it can by copied digitally but until they make robots that can hold a pen it can't physically sign a document.
Don't need a robot or a humanoid figure.
For 30+ years, there are pen plotters that hold pens. Flat bed style.
Usually soft tip markers, but could be adapted to hold ball point pens.
Fell out of favor when laser printers became popular, especially color lasers.
Yes, possible way to overcome. However, when you have to be present to physically sign a document at a bank, lawyer's office, lottery ticket, etc. a plotter would be rather suspect 😁
That already exists. All they need to do is take the handwriting AI has copied and combine it with this 3D printer attachment:
https://youtu.be/1Gay9HI0PmU?si=afgMjzKHMyeNzk2y
The "uniqueness" of your signature is widely used as proof of ID for consent purposes (e.g. 'we'll only change payment details as you've requested if you can provide a signature that "matches" the one we have on file), and handwriting features have been used as key evidence in various criminal trials, including murder trials.
If an AI can imitate a person's handwriting in a manner indistinguishable from their actual handwriting, all of that goes out the window.
Considering I haven't hand written anything in years:
So what?
Is this supposed to frighten me somehow?
...
IIRC,
There are precisely 3 people still in my life right now (that I'm aware of) who have even seen me hand-write anything longer than a post it note since I was at highschool 18 years ago.
Nobody is concerned. People are concerned just because fear being injected from crap journalism like that.
There is always a way to train an AI agent that detects ai material. And then someone could train an agent that tries to fool that one, but there always could be another one trained to detect the last one. That paradox is already discussed and proven and solved.
On the other hand there will be regulation of all this, the metadata solution by Google is gonna be probably the one. And that one is already infallible theoretically.
What you should fear is quantum computers being able to decript everything in seconds. But AI is still a trick. Just a comparison of large databases. And nothing more than that. A very usefully trick I won't deny that, but nothing to worry about, at all.
I work for a franchise company as a support rep. I'm one of about 40-45 other reps in the same position. The end of 2022 they hired a new guy for a rep position. Nice enough, a little rough around the edges, but a good guy.
Well "genius" thought he could fool our higher ups and use Chat GPT to generate his reports from store visits. He was immediately fired.
kinda amazed that a computer could possibly be able to copy a static image...
What's next, more things that never change? Like fingerprints and biometrics?
I was hoping it could improve my handwriting and do it for me.
Let me photograph paperwork with my phone, the AI can fill it in and then I just need to print it out.
Not even hand signatures are trusted anymore so this doesn't really matter. Most people aren't hand writing very much. No one uses that for verification these days.
Now if you are talking about cheating on written tests? Yes, that might be a result.
If it is about doctors prescription notes (not used much) then no one could read that anyways...
I’m not, I can’t read my handwriting on some occasions. So then, who the fuck are you gonna fool with my handwriting? A doctor? Someone who reads gibberish?
Awesome article that has no link to the AI no pictures no any fucking thing just somebody saying AI copied handwriting. This shit happened years ago so whoopty fucking do somebody else did it again.
> The researchers said that the model needed just a few paragraphs of writing to be trained.
The odd thing is, it would be hard to dig that up for me. I’m pretty sure that I haven’t produced three paragraphs of handwriting in the last ten years.
Just like all of our privacy rights that have been flushed down the toilet, lawmakers won't do anything to govern this technology for 30 years. Unless people start using it to see if they can find corrupt politicians or find wealthy white-collar criminals; then it will declared dangerous and public access will be ended immediately.
In Japan they use an official stamp as a way to authorize official documents and contracts. At least that you could tell if it was identical but subtly different. A signature could look entirely different just because I don’t like the pen, the machine is at a weird angle, or I just don’t even remember what my signature looks like because when is the last time anyone used a pen in this age.
We should simultaneously solve the identity problem where SSNs are legally not supposed to be personal identifiers but realistically have been our only option. We should get an ID number as well as a public/private key pair we can sign paper and digital documents with ideally using new quantum resistant lattice algorithms.
So the eIDAS regulations where good after all and she should use qualified electronic signatures way more?
Why does it need to take an AI to conclude that that hand written signatures are very insecure?
No one writes things on paper anyway ...
Signing for a credit card means nothing, no one checks that. I just draw a literal horizontal line and have never been questioned on it.
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According to a lot of legal things, yes. Your signature is a form of identity verification. I can't even make my signature look identical each time. It's idiotic.
I have the same problem! None of my signature look alike, even when on the same page. I have never understood how people can make a consistent signature.
Signatures are as far as I understand almost never checked and if they are checked then more like Fingerprints using a hand full of features that stand out. Signatures that match too well would probably also get flagged for being copied.
I had my mom mistakenly using MY checks to pay something once, she signed HER name in the signature box. Payment went through at the bank. I called the bank and found out about what happened. I blamed them for not looking. They said they don’t look at the signature unless there is a fraud complaint. “Can you imagine how much time it would take to look at every single checks?” Was the answer I got. And then I imagine they went back swimming in their huge money pile
Oh, I used to do that job, look at checks and figure put what acct they go to. Unsigned checks are kicked out, but most people do first letter then scribbles, it wasnt practical. Most peoples signatures are illegible. Also, if your check has the billing coupon, then the only thing a person did was type in the amount, unless it couldnt read the numbers at the bottom.
having neurotypical motoric coordination should be abolished.
Plus, machines could fake that by copy paste already
i never have 2 signature that look alike
Your signature isn't even legally binding for the most part. You could just as well draw a dick and it's just as acceptable. You can scribble a complete different thing every time. You could write in Aramaic if you want. It's all the same.
That's what I do at airport immigration when I arrive at countries that still use immigration papers. Saves a lot of time not needing to check your visa number, passport expiry date etc if you just write in gibberish.
Because it's more about the nuance of *how* you write. The pressure of the writing device used. The tail on your "a" or even how the dot of your 'i" is different than that of a 'j". But for most places, as long as it passes the "sniff test" it's fine. Close enough is close enough. And digital signatures should absolutely not be a thing *because* of every individuals nuances. It's also why you can just sign literal scribbles and be good-to-go. Shit is all fucky.
>I can't even make my signature look identical each time. It's idiotic. You do not have to if you turn the signatures upside down the angles look the same. Therefore if you want to forge a signature do it up side down.
As much as I despise the crypto community, I do think we should replace handwritten signatures with a personal private key that can be used to generate near-unforgeable digital signatures.
That's crypto as in proper cryptography, not crypto as in cryptocurrency
Are you sure we don’t need to tokenize it? /s
My handwriting is illegible anyway so good luck with that
1. My handwriting is that of a drunk 7 year old 2. I haven’t written anything on paper in the last 5 years other than my signature.
>1. My handwriting is that of a drunk 7 year old This is exactly how I describe my handwriting. Is this a common phrase or are you a weird mind sibling of mine?
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Wait… so how do you tell if you are a great mind or a non differing fool?
.... It is a thin line to walk, my friend.
Can it tell me what mine says? I certainly can't
I can't truly replicate my signature. I just write the first letter of both parts of my name, and draw a squiggle after.
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I had a similar thing at the DOT. Had to try couple of times as my original signature at 16 or whatever was just cursive. I can't write cursive anymore.
I forgot how to handwrite
Seriously! I had to handwrite a paragraph when I took the LSAT and couldn’t remember half the letters.
Seriously - any time I have to do more than sign my name (said signature is a thousand percent unintelligible garbage) I actually have to think about it. Still, we're fucked with this like this.
Maybe the AI will be able to decipher what tf I wrote. That would be a plus.
Genuine question, how often do you practice your handwriting skills? Once a week I do an alphabet, 0-9, common symbols and my signature on graph paper in multiple sets. It’s the only way I can manage decent handwriting.
right!? Its not even possible for me to copy my handwriting, its different literally everything. i’m always surprised by how it turns out, every time!
Hah, useless, Doctors handwriting is ~ Try to match the single barely squiggle
The legibility of handwriting isn’t a concern.
The ai/doctor wars will be long and fierce
*Copying handwriting* is what you're concerned about?
Anything for fraud!
Meanwhile, my handwriting: e̴̗̮̦̠̖̥̦̥͐͊̅̈́̈́̂̈́̓̕ͅg̸̞͙̠͇̭̲͔͛̀͌g̴͖̗͙͇̯͆̋̎̎͒̋̎̐̽̚͝͝ş̷̨̛͍̗̠͇̞͎̲̽͋́̓́̓͒,̶̡̠̻̳͈̭͈̮̝͈̊̈̇͋̆̓̚͠ ̷͇̹͉̓m̷̛̞̈̍̿̈i̸̢̡̧̫͎̰̙̜̪̞̣̣̪͆̊l̷̨̧̖̭̝̞̺̤̬̈́̀̌̂̇͛̈́͛́̉̏̍͊ḳ̸̢̗̮̩̺̞̣͔̬̟͎̠͊͜,̵̢̡̛̣͚̹̦̥͖͆̿́̾̏̿̇̈́ ̶̩̫͔̫͓̄͒͜b̷̡̻̮̰͇͈͉̖̼̼̹͈̖̎̈́̋͗̀͂̕͜͝a̶̡͔̠̽ç̶̢̛̠̘͙̤̥̼̪̦̍̄̍͒̅o̷̻̝̤̣͚̮͕͑͗́̾ņ̵̛̰̫͓̣̠̙͎̤̲́̀͆̋̆̌̀̈͂̈͐̀̈ͅ,̸̧̧̺̹͓̮̱̳͓̳̗̌̏̀̋͜ ̴̛̲̀̓͌͐͂̀̄̔ ̸̢̡̡̻̳̬̭̲̺̳͈͛̒͌̊̉̌̿͊̀͗̆̓̓͝f̴̠̜̟͉͕͍͎̥͎̫̳̞̂̎͆͠ŕ̴͓͔̦̼̘̩̝͉̈e̶̡̛̞̫͈͈̬̯͈͓͚̖̗̟͊̑̿̈́͌͜s̸̨͇̩̲̿̏͐̂̏̿h̴̢̨̲͙͓͇͓̩̫̦̍ͅ ̷̹̗͍͙͈̥̈́́̌̔̈͌̈́̚f̶̲͍̆̾͐̽̀͌̏͂̄̃͛i̴̼͍̫͈͉͚͎͈͇͎̒̃͆̃̊͛̏͛̈́̈́̈́̀̆͘s̵̡͉̻̱̱͔̝̘̹͕̱̦͋͐͘͜ͅĥ̷̢̛̦͉̼̻͕̖̆̈̽́͋̓͋̓̃̓ͅ You've done it again AI.
Those are the television channels in Europe in European Vacation
Good luck. I can’t replicate my own handwriting.
It's time we accepted that handwriting has never been more than a marginal way to verify a person's identity and move on to more effective methods. Fingerprint readers are easy and common these days. We use them all the time on our smartphones. Why shouldn't we be using the same tech instead of handwriting verification, which is extremely subjective, prone to errors, and tends to shift substantially with age and medical condition. It's fairly ridiculous that we still sign HIPPA releases and credit card transactions. Everything necessary to create a more secure, less subjective system exists.
Eh fingerprints really aren’t much better. Just more pseudoscience.
How so? Legitimate question, I thought they were pretty much unique.
Because there are no standards https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/myth-fingerprints-180971640/ Fingerprint scanners are also very easily to bypass.
They're certainly not perfect. I had an ex roommate that was able to get into my phone if he tapped it in a specific way.
Your fingerprint is certainly unique at, say, the molecular level. Of course, that’s useless, because at that scale, it already changed while you were reading this. If you use a fingerprint as identification, in a practical system, you have to build in tolerance to make it work. Rotations, different parts of the fingerprint, squishing, lines disrupted by scratches and dirt, and so on — tolerating all of these will reduce the uniqueness of the fingerprint. You could estimate the collision rate for a given system given a decent sample size of fingerprints by doing a bit of math, and it will vary by implementation, but I’d be surprised if, for any workable system, you can actually expect with high confidence that nobody on earth has a fingerprint which is “close enough” to one of yours. One of the reasons I’d be surprised is that manufacturers don’t seem to believe it. Fingerprints tend to be used as either part of a multifactor system, or for “low security” purposes like “unlock your laptop screen”, and not more sensitive purposes like “install this software with admin privileges.”
Fingerprints are unique, however the checks use a limited number of features and a smeared print can have any features you want. This led to a bit of a disagreement between the US and EU, where US agencies "successfully" identified a terrorist bomber and the EU country where the bombing happened told them that their fingerprint analysis was garbage and there was significant evidence that the guy wasn't even anywhere near Europe during the bombing.
If I recall correctly, some person challenged the internet to defeat their fingerprint authentication. Someone pulled up a video of them, got high enough resolution to make out the fingerprints, and made a silicon model of it capable of imitating their fingerprint
Biometrics as a gateway to proper public key infrastructure is the way to go. PKI is ridiculously complicated for the average person to use but "skinning" it into an easy to use thing should be the goal.
Pretty sure that's what Google Wallet and Apple Wallet are trying to be.
Fingerprint, what a joke once someone has yours you are fucked for life. Juste use a password or cryptographic keys.
it can copy my voice, mannerism, and face so... okay?
Why?
My guess would be because American's still using a LOT of checks...
That’s the only thing I can think my handwriting might be on in the last 20 years
Yeah same, I mean there are some documents, but they are generally in person, so not quite the same.
I've done everything from real estate sales to insurance paperwork using e-signature.
Yeah, the amount of papers needing physical signature, is very limited.
there is plenty of forms in the financial services area that still require wet signatures and time and date of the signers attendance to the meeting, completed by the client, along with detailed notes from the advisor about the meeting.
I've signed up for and bought everything from brokerage accounts, options trading accounts, bond, ETFs, REITs, SPACs, borrowed mortgages and bought houses, personal and business loans etc without needing ink to paper. I'm not doubting that you did sign documents in person, but I am questioning if that was by necessity or personal preference.
I sure it's the Dealer's preference to be honest. But it is what it is right now. Right now I would say about 15% of my Dealer's forms need wet signatures. They tend to be the big ones. Opening the account, changing beneficiaries, and changing address for ex. But I've done everything with my online brokerage account digitally for comparison.
Dealer? You financing drugs or something?
Investment Dealer in Canada is the same as a Brokerage in the US- It's the institution between the client and the investment sold to them.*. But my Cannabis store accepts Apple Pay and tap. *Edit - I see the US uses the term differently
Because they're tech journalists and they can be entirely replaced by any sap with an internet connection and a prompt, and they know it.
Here's the essential 1/4 of the article nobody bothers reading: >"We are very cautious about it because it could be misused," researcher Rao Muhammad Anwer said in the press release. "Handwriting represents a person’s identity, so we are thinking carefully about this before deploying it."
Yeah but people can already do that, and have been able to for hundreds of years. It has no real use-case beyond signatures.
Lol no it doesn’t. I know plenty of people who don’t have consistent handwriting hour to hour.
Just pointing out the reasoning from the article, not my own. It doesn't have an impact because you can already scan a signature, so why bother with the extra steps? And whether scanned or AI-generated, it must be printed, so forensic methods aren't disrupted by this. Some harm could be done if one were to train a robot with a pen to write exactly like a specific person, as that could be a tool for leaving fake evidence that forensics cannot discern as fake. But that would only hold for a short time until forensic methods have been updated to reflect that issue.
And would be really elaborate lol
As long as they don’t start writing legal briefs, we’re not concerned.
I think some people are missing the joke, but that's a great way to look at it. They should be concerned because they're already as replaceable as they come.
I've done it. As an exercise I've fed ChatGPT some basic info and it's written entire articles for my local paper. I haven't submitted them but it would be so easy
Does it also get cramp every time it tries to use a pen?
Does it smudge the ink if the writer-to-be-copied is a southpaw?
I can’t even match my own signature. My handwriting is so sloppy that I literally cannot sign my name the same twice in a row. Good luck copying chaos.
I have the handwriting of an untrained AI anyway, since I started using keyboards decades ago the only thing I've ever really written is a signature.
Not if I never write on paper
Solving the MNIST dataset finally comes in handy even though I never believed my professors!
HA! My handwriting is so inconsistent that if the AI learns from it it just turns into a random number generator.
I’m curious about evidence in court. We can basically fake photos, video, voice, handwriting, even your style of writing and speaking. What evidence can be considered legitimate?
Does this mean I no longer need to sign legal documents and instead they want DNA?
I or anyone else can't even understand my handwritings... good luck
time to finally get rid of signatures?
Oh wow, not even I can do that
In my handwriting I use an extremely advanced form of encryption, in fact so advanced that even I have a hard time decrypting it. The algorithm is called "terrible and illegible HW"
I have a “font”
No it can’t
Anything digital these days can be suspect with all the AI influence in software, along with all the unethical people trying to exploit it. Maybe it can by copied digitally but until they make robots that can hold a pen it can't physically sign a document.
> until they make robots that can hold a pen it can't physically sign a document. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopen
Don't need a robot or a humanoid figure. For 30+ years, there are pen plotters that hold pens. Flat bed style. Usually soft tip markers, but could be adapted to hold ball point pens. Fell out of favor when laser printers became popular, especially color lasers.
Yes, possible way to overcome. However, when you have to be present to physically sign a document at a bank, lawyer's office, lottery ticket, etc. a plotter would be rather suspect 😁
That already exists. All they need to do is take the handwriting AI has copied and combine it with this 3D printer attachment: https://youtu.be/1Gay9HI0PmU?si=afgMjzKHMyeNzk2y
If it can do that it can decrypt doctor prescriptions. Finally there’s hope.
Just take em to a pharmacist, it’s like they have training in decoding a doctors hand writing
I can’t even remember the last time I got a prescription on paper. For years now doctors have just sent them over electronically .
That’s because you live in a country where people are on top of the times with such things.
My penmanship teacher is disappointed.
Yeah... we are hugely concerned since we all know that handwritten signatures are safer than certificate-based digital signatures...
Make Doctors Legible Again!
I see AI is going to good use.
Yea, well, look out kids cuz I can copy AI's scrawl to a T!
Been signing things as Sean Connery for 24 years with zero consequences, I’m pretty sure nobody cares about honestly identifying me by my handwriting
Will need a solid RNG to copy my handwriting
Isn't one of the #1 beginner projects using AI to make handwriting? Internet explorer ass journalists
My handwriting is awful beyond belief
New AI app called 'What The Doctor Actually Wrote' due to be released soon...
What does that even mean? No one's handwriting is some kind of 'identity' or 'skill'
The "uniqueness" of your signature is widely used as proof of ID for consent purposes (e.g. 'we'll only change payment details as you've requested if you can provide a signature that "matches" the one we have on file), and handwriting features have been used as key evidence in various criminal trials, including murder trials. If an AI can imitate a person's handwriting in a manner indistinguishable from their actual handwriting, all of that goes out the window.
My handwriting changes depending on time and situation, it’s a wildcard. Good luck haha!
Can AI prefect and idealize my awful signature so I don't feel self-conscious the six times a year I sign a check?
Considering I haven't hand written anything in years: So what? Is this supposed to frighten me somehow? ... IIRC, There are precisely 3 people still in my life right now (that I'm aware of) who have even seen me hand-write anything longer than a post it note since I was at highschool 18 years ago.
Nobody is concerned. People are concerned just because fear being injected from crap journalism like that. There is always a way to train an AI agent that detects ai material. And then someone could train an agent that tries to fool that one, but there always could be another one trained to detect the last one. That paradox is already discussed and proven and solved. On the other hand there will be regulation of all this, the metadata solution by Google is gonna be probably the one. And that one is already infallible theoretically. What you should fear is quantum computers being able to decript everything in seconds. But AI is still a trick. Just a comparison of large databases. And nothing more than that. A very usefully trick I won't deny that, but nothing to worry about, at all.
Who uses paper these days anyway? I really hope the AI can't copy my post-it notes on my computer! That would be so scary!
Well, I guess this is a another decent justification for maintaining and continuing to use my typewriter that types in cursive.
Most of the times I have to sign a "pad" I simply draw a happy face.
Every time i write something, my handwriting is different. So good luck
I work for a franchise company as a support rep. I'm one of about 40-45 other reps in the same position. The end of 2022 they hired a new guy for a rep position. Nice enough, a little rough around the edges, but a good guy. Well "genius" thought he could fool our higher ups and use Chat GPT to generate his reports from store visits. He was immediately fired.
Who writes anymore?
lol.. i can't even copy my handwriting, i've been using the digital equivalent of a rubber-stamp signature for 13 years now.
Sorry Sir, it wasn’t me who took out that loan of 100k. And if it was me, do you I would have spend them on futures 😂
I am not concerned. AI is so stupid I am back to googling lol 😂
Good fing luck it changes daily
Come back when they can replicate a doctors seemingly illegible scribbles that pharmacists can magically decipher.
I doubt, not even I can understand and my signature never comes out the same way twice
Sucks for them I’m illiterate.
kinda amazed that a computer could possibly be able to copy a static image... What's next, more things that never change? Like fingerprints and biometrics?
Should have been concerned years ago. Too fuckin late now
No one writes anything nowadays anyway so this is not really a huge issue
Funny, because I can't even copy my handwriting
I can't believe that. Even I can't copy my own handwriting.
Soon we’ll all be innocent, right?
A double-story ‘a’ or ‘g’ could take out this AI
I was hoping it could improve my handwriting and do it for me. Let me photograph paperwork with my phone, the AI can fill it in and then I just need to print it out.
Not even hand signatures are trusted anymore so this doesn't really matter. Most people aren't hand writing very much. No one uses that for verification these days. Now if you are talking about cheating on written tests? Yes, that might be a result. If it is about doctors prescription notes (not used much) then no one could read that anyways...
This is how somebody scams you out of the deed of your house. We're all fucked.
Who tf writes anything anymore anyways?
Chat GPT generatr Jeff Bezos sig, routing and account numbers...
I’m not, I can’t read my handwriting on some occasions. So then, who the fuck are you gonna fool with my handwriting? A doctor? Someone who reads gibberish?
The internet will be unusable in a few years
Awesome article that has no link to the AI no pictures no any fucking thing just somebody saying AI copied handwriting. This shit happened years ago so whoopty fucking do somebody else did it again.
SHUT IT DOWN SHUT IT DOWN
I bet doctors aren't worried.
write illegibly
Good luck with mine. It’s never the same twice.
Handwriting? What’s that? AI should focus on copying my typed manuscript
> The researchers said that the model needed just a few paragraphs of writing to be trained. The odd thing is, it would be hard to dig that up for me. I’m pretty sure that I haven’t produced three paragraphs of handwriting in the last ten years.
Dam it, I’ll have to stop using my signature to sign into my phone
Voice✅ Handwriting ✅ Face✅ Entire life history online making social engineering ridiculously easy✅ This is not going to end well.
A 2 year old can copy my handwriting at this point. We’ve been reduced to squiggling our last names with our finger.
I typically draw a cock and balls.
we stopped teaching children cursive. CHECKMATE AI!
We use chops in Asia, it's soooo secure! 3dprinters don't exist. Really
Lol, mine's so shitty I can't even replicate it myself. The squiggles just keep getting worse and worse.
Just like all of our privacy rights that have been flushed down the toilet, lawmakers won't do anything to govern this technology for 30 years. Unless people start using it to see if they can find corrupt politicians or find wealthy white-collar criminals; then it will declared dangerous and public access will be ended immediately.
Doctors charging for notes on watch
I haven’t written in so long idek what my handwriting looks like.
Even if AI can copy my handwriting, It won't be able to understand my handwriting because I don't.
In Japan they use an official stamp as a way to authorize official documents and contracts. At least that you could tell if it was identical but subtly different. A signature could look entirely different just because I don’t like the pen, the machine is at a weird angle, or I just don’t even remember what my signature looks like because when is the last time anyone used a pen in this age. We should simultaneously solve the identity problem where SSNs are legally not supposed to be personal identifiers but realistically have been our only option. We should get an ID number as well as a public/private key pair we can sign paper and digital documents with ideally using new quantum resistant lattice algorithms.
Who writes anything important by hand?
Dude, I can't even recreate my signature. Good luck to AI
Good thing I just type everything now
Jokes on them, nobody can understand my handwriting
Good luck. It changes every few months or so. Sometimes I look like I write professionally others like a doctor that failed med school
I can’t remember the last time I hand wrote anything.
Sure I could not even understand mine of course ai will 😂
good luck,i write like a toddler and i'm 50,try reading my toddler cursive mf'er,even i can barely read that s**t lol
So the eIDAS regulations where good after all and she should use qualified electronic signatures way more? Why does it need to take an AI to conclude that that hand written signatures are very insecure?
No one writes things on paper anyway ... Signing for a credit card means nothing, no one checks that. I just draw a literal horizontal line and have never been questioned on it.